Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.12.2012 02:40, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 09:20:55PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: * From my observations, the benefit of 64 bit over 32 is much smaller for an Atom than it is for my Core2. Am I right to assume thus that the Atom architecture doesn’t have

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 06:36:47PM +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote * I???m interested in the question of -O2 vs. -Os. Some sources say -Os is bad, b/c it breaks debugging and is mainly untested. I won???t do heavy developing on it anyway, and Atoms do have a puny cache. So I wonder

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:05:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: is run every morning with my first cup of coffee. If something were changed or left off that alias do you suppose this mysterious @preserved-rebuild would be run? No, you would likely never see it. Your alias runs revdep-rebuild,

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:16:58 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: I personally see no reason for encrypting root as there is nothing of interest in there. No passwords in /etc? The main reason I encrypt / is that wicd keeps its passwords in /etc. -- Neil Bothwick DOS never says EXCELLENT command

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:36:10 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: After using Gentoo for close to two years, the only time/place I've ever even seen @preserved-rebuild is in this thread. Yet you say, Portage will warn you when the set is [it] non-empty, telling you to run emerge @preserved-rebuild.

[gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Francesco Turco
Hello. A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook I found some references of the world set in emerge commands, as opposed to @world: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 The bug was closed as invalid, and I was told that: sets with the @ prefix are a

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread design [depois das dez]
Can I recapitulate the routine? So it should be something like that: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -DuN world emerge @preserved-rebuild emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild eclean distfiles -t=2w eclean packages -t=2w dispatch-conf elogv Right? But this script could not be run automatically because

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:53:01 +0100 Francesco Turco ftu...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello. A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook I found some references of the world set in emerge commands, as opposed to @world: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks: For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5 VFAT disk) Floppies are normally formatted as FAT12, not VFAT. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465]

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/12/2012 06:53 AM, Francesco Turco wrote: Hello. A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook I found some references of the world set in emerge commands, as opposed to @world: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 The bug was closed as invalid,

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Randy Barlow
Alan McKinnon wrote: The portage man page has unfortunately also used the word set for a different reason. Portage has always had a concept of world (not @world) and system (not @system) which were really just a bunch of stuff that happens to pop out of portage because it's hard-coded that way.

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:53:01PM +0100, Francesco Turco wrote: Hello. A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook I found some references of the world set in emerge commands, as opposed to @world: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 The bug was

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 08:05:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Of course, all this assumes that your version of portage supports @preserved-rebuild To use it, you simply notice the portage message right at the end of an emerge and run emerge @preserved-rebuild - it's just a regular emerge

[gentoo-user] Re: udev: boot failure

2012-12-12 Thread James
Nilesh Govindrajan me at nileshgr.com writes: It's not a udev problem. You need to recompile your kernel with devtmpfs support. It can be found in device-drviers - generic driver options. Yep, fixed now. Gotta catch up on my gentoo readings. thx, James

[gentoo-user] netmount; sshd borked

2012-12-12 Thread James
Hello, OK so I'm now running udev-196-r1; booting fine now. upon reboot: net.eth0 [ stopped ] net.eth3 [ started ] netmount [ stopped ] sshd [ stopped ] eth0 is the mobo ethernet port, and it is fried. I have not used it in years. eth3 is an add on 100M ethernet

Re: [gentoo-user] netmount; sshd borked

2012-12-12 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Wednesday 12 December 2012 09:51 PM, James wrote: Hello, OK so I'm now running udev-196-r1; booting fine now. upon reboot: net.eth0 [ stopped ] net.eth3 [ started ] netmount [ stopped ] sshd [ stopped ] eth0 is the mobo ethernet port, and it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks: For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5 VFAT disk) Floppies are normally formatted as FAT12, not VFAT.

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: 68k - POWER POWER - Intel Intel - ARM Ah, you've made progress! the 6502 doesn't count Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get embedded linux running on many different flavors of ARM processors. RUSSELL is KING, and imho

[gentoo-user] crossdev, alternate root, and build dependencies

2012-12-12 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
I am trying to understand and use crossdev to build Gentoo for my Raspberry Pi, and I have a couple of questions. I was able to successfully build a toolchain:: crossdev -S -t armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi This correctly installed binutils, gcc, glibc, and linux-headers:: equery

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.12.2012 10:40, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:16:58 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: I personally see no reason for encrypting root as there is nothing of interest in there. No passwords in /etc? The main reason I encrypt / is that wicd keeps its passwords in /etc.

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread James
Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes: Wish my Samsung Galaxy S could have it's piece of crap Android system replaced by arm-linux -- if not it will drive me back to an iPhone. Your problem defined:

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Francesco Turco
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 14:18, Alan McKinnon wrote: You are wrong, the docs and the man pages are correct. The problem is that the word set is used in two different ways, one loosely and the other with reference to an exact construct. portage-2.2 introduced the concept of a defined set

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:55:53PM +, James wrote: Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes: Wish my Samsung Galaxy S could have it's piece of crap Android system replaced by arm-linux -- if not it will drive me back to an iPhone. Your problem defined:

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks: For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard

Re: [gentoo-user] netmount; sshd borked

2012-12-12 Thread William Kenworthy
Best would be to delete/move the module for that hardware, and de-configure it from the kernel. or remap ethX manually using /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules BillK On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 22:12 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Wednesday 12 December 2012 09:51 PM, James wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] crontab questions

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
Is there a way to remove Cron root@hostname from the subject line of crontab mail without piping each cron job to 'mail'? I set 'usermod -c hostname root' on each of my systems so that the From: line displays hostname for crontab mail. This works on each system except the mail server

[gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Colleen Beamer
Hi, Recently, I cleared out some gentoo-user e-mail from Firefox and now it seems that Thunderbird is automatically deleting any gentoo-user e-mail when it arrives in my inbox. The address is still in my personal address book, but not in my collected address so, I'm not sure what is going on.

Re: [gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Mark Knecht
Not sure if you're looking for a response but the mail made it to the list. - Mark On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently, I cleared out some gentoo-user e-mail from Firefox and now it seems that Thunderbird is automatically deleting any

Re: [gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Rod Smart
Just check that you didn't accidentally mark the relevent Emails as junk/spam, and as they come in, they get removed as if they are spam :/ Sent from my ASUS Pad Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently, I cleared out some gentoo-user e-mail from Firefox and now it seems

Re: [gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Colleen Beamer
On 12/12/12 18:04, Rod Smart wrote: Just check that you didn't accidentally mark the relevent Emails as junk/spam, and as they come in, they get removed as if they are spam :/ Oddly enough, the two responses to my e-mail landed in my Inbox. I thought of what you are suggesting, Rod, and as a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote My most sincerest hope is that we take the embedded gentoo efforts from the the embedded gentoo handbook, and integrate them into the regular Gentoo handbook. The distro that does this will be king of the distros!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
Problems with using embedded kernels as a base... * they use uclibc, which has some APIs that differ from glibc. This could break Flash, proprietary video driver binary blobs, and who knows what else. * they generally use busybox symlinks in place of most core utils. The busybox

Re: [gentoo-user] crontab questions

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/12/2012 05:09 PM, Grant wrote: at roughly the time specified in /etc/crontab. If any of those directories contain scripts, they're run in alphabetical order, i.e. how `ls` would sort them. Thanks Michael. I'd like to have more control over when the commands are run. Maybe the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:26:02 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 13, 2012 12:10 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:26:02 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the

[gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up and/or maintenance with Gentoo? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread J. Roeleveld
Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like