Re: [gentoo-user] Can Neon be slotted?

2006-12-04 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Monday 04 December 2006 05:52, Michael Crute wrote:
 I am trying to run both davfs2 and subversion which depend on
 different and incompatible versions of neon. Can neon be slotted so I
 can run both at the same time?

You should consider filing a bug requesting davfs2-1.1.1 to be stabilised in 
order to have latest stable compatible with latest stable neon.

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[gentoo-user] Radeon X1300

2006-12-04 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger

Hello, gentoo-users,

I am running Xorg 7.1, with xorg-server-1.1.1-r2, and beryl/emerald out
of the svn-overlay.

Everything worked fine with my old ATI Radeon 9600, now I switched cards
and use an ATI Radeon X1300Pro. Since this I don't get a graphical login
box anymore, just a grey background when X starts up.

I googled and browsed around, tried some changes in xorg.conf, but no
success.

Any ideas anyone? This is my main workhorse, so I would like to fix that
problem soon ... you understand.

Thanks, Stefan


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[gentoo-user] aterm/rxvt character set

2006-12-04 Thread Mick
Hi All,

As I was using mencoder I discovered that my aterm won't show properly all 
characters generated by it:

MMX2 supported but disabled
CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
ÎεÏάÏÏαÏη για x86 εÏεξεÏγαÏÏή με ÏÎ¹Ï Î±ÎºÏλοÏÎ¸ÎµÏ 
εÏεκÏάÏειÏ: MMX SSE


I have not noticed anything like this with other apps or commands.  Would you 
know why this is happening and how I can put it right (ie. set the character 
set so that all characters are rendered properly)?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Transcoding movie DVD to MPEG4?

2006-12-04 Thread Alan E. Davis

I am not an expert about this.  I have used dvd:rip to copy a dvd DL
file (8+GB) to HDD.  After mounting the image as a loop device (see
man mount) I was able to burn the image to a disk with dvd9to5.  It
worked in that particular instance.

Alan

On 12/4/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 18:54 +, Mick wrote:

 I noticed that there are at least three DVD rip apps in portage:

 media-video/dvdrip
 media-video/acidrip
 media-plugins/vdr-vdrrip

 How do they compare?

I've never found a gui dvd ripper that I really liked.  I just transcode
the vob files by hand.

 Two more Qs:
 Running mencoder seems to work in producing a smaller file, but it is a bit
 choppy (drops frames).  Not sure what the correct options are, this is what I
 have used:
 =
 mencoder vts_01_1.vob -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1 -alang en -oac
 mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o movie.avi
 =

not sure about the frame dropping... did you try x264 as suggest
earlier?

here's the mencoder options I used to transcode some dv.  I've found
with mencoder, the best way is to try lots of times, and see what works
the best.  (Only try a minute at a time, or you'll end up waisting a lot
of time :)

mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -vf
scale=720:576,harddup -srate 48000 -af lavcresample=48000 -lavcopts
vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_buf_size=1835:vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=5000:keyint=15:acodec=ac3:abitrate=192:aspect=4/3
 -ofps 25 -o tape3/2006.06.30_14-57-41.mpeg tape3/2006.06.30_14-57-41.dv

This was after some playing around to get to mpeg2 to burn later to dvd.

 If I set it to pass=2 it fails with an error about xvid: you must specify one
 or a valid combination of 'bitrate', 'pass', 'quantizer' settings.

dunno... try leaving of the pass option and see?

HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Alan E. Davis

Yes.

CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y

Alan

On 12/4/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 12/3/06, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As far as kernel setup, I am using gentoo sources, 2.6.18 r3.  These
 SATA configs:

Did you also remember SCSI disk (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD) support?

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Alan E. Davis

I don't know how to mark this email thread as Solved.  This did it:

CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=y

Google is my friend, I hadn't seen this before.

Thank you every one.

Alan

On 12/4/06, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes.

CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y

Alan

On 12/4/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/3/06, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As far as kernel setup, I am using gentoo sources, 2.6.18 r3.  These
  SATA configs:

 Did you also remember SCSI disk (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD) support?

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:54:56 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote:

 I don't know how to mark this email thread as Solved.  This did it:
 
 CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=y

Thank you for pointing this out. I looked at my SATA settings in an
attempt to find a solution to your problem and the only difference was
that I had this set. The menuconfig help indicated I probably didn't need
it so I rebuilt the kernel without it yesterday. Thanks for posting this
before I rebooted :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Alan E. Davis

You are certainly most welcome.  I'm grateful to everyone who kept
answering.  This list is great.  I got this from googling for the
message from lspci.

Alan

On 12/4/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:54:56 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote:

 I don't know how to mark this email thread as Solved.  This did it:

 CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=y

Thank you for pointing this out. I looked at my SATA settings in an
attempt to find a solution to your problem and the only difference was
that I had this set. The menuconfig help indicated I probably didn't need
it so I rebuilt the kernel without it yesterday. Thanks for posting this
before I rebooted :)


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[gentoo-user] Re: Transcoding movie DVD to MPEG4?

2006-12-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mick wrote:

On Sunday 03 December 2006 18:18, Grant Edwards wrote:
  

On 2006-12-03, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 03 December 2006 15:28, Mick wrote:
  

Hi All,

I want to copy a movie from a DVD which I bought in a shop, to another
DVD to take with me on holiday.  I'll be playing back the copy on my
laptop and (if it is feasible) the hotel's DVD player.

I thought that K3B and a double layer blank DVD+R is all I need to burn
an iso image of the DVD.  After two expensive coasters (see other recent
topic) I came to the conclusion that the combination of
K3B/Phillips-DVD8421/Imation-DVD+R DL will just not work.  I could start
trying out different brands of DVD+R DL, but I cannot see a sustainable
economic case for persevering with my coaster production.  :-(


So far, I haven't managed to burn any DL DVD.
  

I had a lot of trouble burning DVDs using a USB connected
drive.  I moved the drive internal and connected it directly to
the IDE controller and since have had no problems burning
either single or double layer.  [IIRC, it's an vanilla OEM
Samsung drive.]



Thanks for all the suggestions!  My Phillips DVD writer is internally mounted.  
After about half way instead of flipping over and burning the second layer it 
just fails with an input/output error.  I've tried my Gentoo OS and a Knoppix 
CD just in case it was a matter of OS/application settings, but the same 
error occurred.



  


I had problems with DVD DL media, too.
It stopped with a write failure just before beginning to burn the second 
layer.

I tried Verbatim DL media and it worked very well.

Since then I _ONLY_ used Verbatim media, I didnt have anymore problems 
burning.


HTH




[gentoo-user] SUDO: running /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

2006-12-04 Thread jak gentoo

Hi all,

I'm trying to allow users in the wheel group to run /etc/init.d/cupsd
restart
I edited /etc/sudoers with visudo to the following but it doesn't work, any
ideas?

%wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /sbin/runscript.sh
%wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

when I try with my normal acount I get
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
* /sbin/runscript.sh: must be root to run init scripts
but I'm in the wheel group
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ id
uid=1000(jak) gid=100(users) groups=10(wheel),100(users)

Regards

jakommo


Re: [gentoo-user] SUDO: running /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

2006-12-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:54:52 +0100, jak gentoo wrote:

 I'm trying to allow users in the wheel group to run /etc/init.d/cupsd
 restart
 I edited /etc/sudoers with visudo to the following but it doesn't work,
 any ideas?
 
 %wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /sbin/runscript.sh
 %wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
 
 when I try with my normal acount I get
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
  * /sbin/runscript.sh: must be root to run init scripts
 but I'm in the wheel group

The settings in /etc/sudoers only apply when running a command with sudo,
try sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart


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Re: [gentoo-user] SUDO: running /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel Waeber
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Hi

jak gentoo wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm trying to allow users in the wheel group to run /etc/init.d/cupsd
 restart
 I edited /etc/sudoers with visudo to the following but it doesn't work, any
 ideas?
 
 %wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /sbin/runscript.sh
You won't need the line above, it would be a risk if wheel group is
allowed to to run any script wiht runscript.sh as root.

 %wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
 
 when I try with my normal acount I get
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
 * /sbin/runscript.sh: must be root to run init scripts
But you have to start the cupsd script with sudo:
$ sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

At least this is how I know sudo.
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Re: [gentoo-user] SUDO: running /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

2006-12-04 Thread jak gentoo

On 12/4/06, Daniel Waeber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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Hi

jak gentoo wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm trying to allow users in the wheel group to run /etc/init.d/cupsd
 restart
 I edited /etc/sudoers with visudo to the following but it doesn't work,
any
 ideas?

 %wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /sbin/runscript.sh
You won't need the line above, it would be a risk if wheel group is
allowed to to run any script wiht runscript.sh as root.

 %wheel ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

 when I try with my normal acount I get
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
 * /sbin/runscript.sh: must be root to run init scripts
But you have to start the cupsd script with sudo:
$ sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart

At least this is how I know sudo.
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thanks to both of you, I was to stupid to add sudo in front.

its running now.

jakommo


[gentoo-user] Firewall recommendations

2006-12-04 Thread Jon M

Hey again everyone,

Still new when it comes to Gentoo and so I'm stuck when it comes to 
picking a firewall to use.  I know that most (if not all) of them just 
use iptables to block/allow stuff but I like the simplicity of having it 
do it automatically.  Anyway, I've been using APF on CentOS which worked 
great.  Setting it up couldn't have been easier.  Unfortunately it 
doesn't seem to want to play nicely with Gentoo.  So now I'm looking for 
a new firewall.  I tried Shorewall but it seems a little too complicated 
to set up.  Is there something as simple as APF that works with Gentoo?


Thanks in advance for anyones recommendations.
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[gentoo-user] sendmail - mbox useflag

2006-12-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt

Hi folks,

What does sendmail's mbox useflag actually do ?
I've seen it influences the dependencies - enabling it disables
the dependency to procmail. What is this actually for ?


thx
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[gentoo-user] lost /boot recovery options?

2006-12-04 Thread James
Hello,

I somehow lost /boot on an amd64 (turion) laptop. I have an old copy 
of grub.conf, but no backup of the entire /boot dir. Since I do not
have another amd64 system, can I just copy over most of the 
(non arch dependant files) and recreate the arch dependant files?
The system is still booted up, so I need to make repairs before
rebooting again.

I've built a new kernel and copied it over to /boot. I've copied
over the /boot/grub/grub.conf file from an archive.

Once I copy of the non-arch_dependant files (not sure which ones
those are) do I need to run grub again?

Besides the kernel, are there any arch unique files I need to
recreate or copy from somewhere off the net?

Any ideas or guidance as to how to recover, without reinstallation
are most appreciated.


James



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Re: [gentoo-user] lost /boot recovery options?

2006-12-04 Thread Nangus Garba

is your boot file just not mounted?

Nangus

On 12/4/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello,

I somehow lost /boot on an amd64 (turion) laptop. I have an old copy
of grub.conf, but no backup of the entire /boot dir. Since I do not
have another amd64 system, can I just copy over most of the
(non arch dependant files) and recreate the arch dependant files?
The system is still booted up, so I need to make repairs before
rebooting again.

I've built a new kernel and copied it over to /boot. I've copied
over the /boot/grub/grub.conf file from an archive.

Once I copy of the non-arch_dependant files (not sure which ones
those are) do I need to run grub again?

Besides the kernel, are there any arch unique files I need to
recreate or copy from somewhere off the net?

Any ideas or guidance as to how to recover, without reinstallation
are most appreciated.


James



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[gentoo-user] Re: lost /boot recovery options?

2006-12-04 Thread James
Nangus Garba code.affe.dev at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 is your boot file just not mounted?

No it's mounted. It got deleted, I suspect as
a miss_step on my part, or the install script
form Monta_Vista for installing their embedded-linux
dev kit... Not really sure how (history is inconclusive).

I already build a linux-2.6.18-gentoo-r3 kernel and restored
and edited /boot/grub/grub.conf

From fstab:
/dev/hda2/boot   reiserfsdefaults1 2


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Re: [gentoo-user] lost /boot recovery options?

2006-12-04 Thread Mick
On Monday 04 December 2006 15:14, Nangus Garba wrote:
 is your boot file just not mounted?

 Nangus

 On 12/4/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I somehow lost /boot on an amd64 (turion) laptop. I have an old copy
  of grub.conf, but no backup of the entire /boot dir. Since I do not
  have another amd64 system, can I just copy over most of the
  (non arch dependant files) and recreate the arch dependant files?
  The system is still booted up, so I need to make repairs before
  rebooting again.
 
  I've built a new kernel and copied it over to /boot. I've copied
  over the /boot/grub/grub.conf file from an archive.
 
  Once I copy of the non-arch_dependant files (not sure which ones
  those are) do I need to run grub again?
 
  Besides the kernel, are there any arch unique files I need to
  recreate or copy from somewhere off the net?
 
  Any ideas or guidance as to how to recover, without reinstallation
  are most appreciated.

I am not sure how things differ on a 64bit system grub, but mounting /boot and 
calling grub on the command line as root and running:

grub root (hdX,Y)
grub setup (hdX)
grub quit

just as the guidebook says, should reinstall it all in your boot partition (on 
drive X).
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Re: [gentoo-user] lost /boot recovery options?

2006-12-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:07:06 + (UTC), James wrote:

 I somehow lost /boot on an amd64 (turion) laptop. I have an old copy 
 of grub.conf, but no backup of the entire /boot dir. Since I do not
 have another amd64 system, can I just copy over most of the 
 (non arch dependant files) and recreate the arch dependant files?
 The system is still booted up, so I need to make repairs before
 rebooting again.

Re-install the kernel with cd /uusr/src/linux  make install.
Re-emerge GRUB
Install GRUB to the MBR again (this step may not be necessary, but it's
best to be safe).


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[gentoo-user] Re: mozilla migration option

2006-12-04 Thread James
Dale dalek at exceedtech.net writes:



 I recently switched to Seamonkey and it just worked great.  It will use
 the same mozilla directory used before, mail and all.  Just uninstall
 Mozilla and install Seamonkey and start it up and continue on.

 This may be the easiest option for you as you really don't have to do
 anything but uninstall then install.


OK, I guess I'll setup one system and see how Seamonkey works for folks.


thanks Dale,


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mozilla migration option

2006-12-04 Thread Dale
James wrote:
 Dale dalek at exceedtech.net writes:



   
 I recently switched to Seamonkey and it just worked great.  It will use
 the same mozilla directory used before, mail and all.  Just uninstall
 Mozilla and install Seamonkey and start it up and continue on.
 

   
 This may be the easiest option for you as you really don't have to do
 anything but uninstall then install.
 


 OK, I guess I'll setup one system and see how Seamonkey works for folks.


 thanks Dale,


 James


   

As far as I can tell it is a drop in replacement.  It even looks the
same to me.  It does have a few extra features in the mail part but that
is about it.

Your welcome and hope it works well for you like it did for me.

Dale




Re: [gentoo-user] Firewall recommendations

2006-12-04 Thread Roy Wright
Jon M wrote:
 Is there something as simple as APF that works with Gentoo?

net-firewall/firestarter


HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firewall recommendations

2006-12-04 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 04 December 2006 14:55, Jon M wrote:
 Still new when it comes to Gentoo and so I'm stuck when it comes to
 picking a firewall to use.  I know that most (if not all) of them just
 use iptables to block/allow stuff but I like the simplicity of having it
 do it automatically. 

iptables is *the* firewall for linux.

 Anyway, I've been using APF on CentOS which worked 
 great.  Setting it up couldn't have been easier.  Unfortunately it
 doesn't seem to want to play nicely with Gentoo.  So now I'm looking for
 a new firewall.  I tried Shorewall but it seems a little too complicated
 to set up.  Is there something as simple as APF that works with Gentoo?

I don't know what APF is.
But, if you want a GUI, try fwbuilder.
Or, emerge -S iptables, there are loads of others.

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[gentoo-user] Evolution vCards

2006-12-04 Thread Evan Klitzke

Hi everyone,

I'm sure a few of you have come across a contact who always includes
vCards in his or her emails.  Does anyone know a way to get Evolution
to suppress the display/inclusion of these things? Is there a fancy
way to get rid of them with procmail, or some other method?  Every
single email I get from this person shows up with an attachment and a
lot of screen real estate is taken up displaying the card.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firewall recommendations

2006-12-04 Thread Dale
Mike Williams wrote:
 On Monday 04 December 2006 14:55, Jon M wrote:
   
 Still new when it comes to Gentoo and so I'm stuck when it comes to
 picking a firewall to use.  I know that most (if not all) of them just
 use iptables to block/allow stuff but I like the simplicity of having it
 do it automatically. 
 

 iptables is *the* firewall for linux.

   
 Anyway, I've been using APF on CentOS which worked 
 great.  Setting it up couldn't have been easier.  Unfortunately it
 doesn't seem to want to play nicely with Gentoo.  So now I'm looking for
 a new firewall.  I tried Shorewall but it seems a little too complicated
 to set up.  Is there something as simple as APF that works with Gentoo?
 

 I don't know what APF is.
 But, if you want a GUI, try fwbuilder.
 Or, emerge -S iptables, there are loads of others.

   

You can also use webmin to do iptables with as well.  If you need a GUI.

That is the thing about Linux sometimes, more ways to skin a cat than
there is cats.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)


Re: [gentoo-user] EXt4

2006-12-04 Thread Randy Barlow

Jerry McBride wrote:

The ext2 fs was formatted with mke2fs and mounted with -t ext2 -o sync
The ext3 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext3 -o sync
The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext4dev -o 
sync
The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext4dev -o 
sync,extents
  
So the only thing that will make an FS ext4 is mounting it as ext4?  
Does this mean that you could take an existing ext3 FS and just plain 
mount it as ext4?


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Re: [gentoo-user] sendmail - mbox useflag

2006-12-04 Thread kashani

Enrico Weigelt wrote:

Hi folks,

What does sendmail's mbox useflag actually do ?
I've seen it influences the dependencies - enabling it disables
the dependency to procmail. What is this actually for ?


	Sendmail writes to mbox format by default and needs procmail in order 
to write to the Gentoo default of maildir. If you really want mbox I'd 
add it to /etc/make.conf rather than per package. Having all things like 
mutt, pine, etc use the same format by default will likely save you from 
pulling your hair out at some point.


	Having run a large mbox based system and then a much larger maildir 
based system I can speak from experience when I say maildir is vastly 
superior in almost all ways.


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Re: [gentoo-user] EXt4

2006-12-04 Thread Dale
Randy Barlow wrote:
 Jerry McBride wrote:
 The ext2 fs was formatted with mke2fs and mounted with -t ext2 -o
 sync
 The ext3 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext3
 -o sync
 The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
 ext4dev -o sync
 The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
 ext4dev -o sync,extents
   
 So the only thing that will make an FS ext4 is mounting it as ext4? 
 Does this mean that you could take an existing ext3 FS and just plain
 mount it as ext4?

 R

and once you do mount ext4 there is no turning back??

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firewall recommendations

2006-12-04 Thread Jon M
Thanks for your responses guys.  I'm in the process of emerging 
firestarter right now.  Hopefully this one works out


Mike Williams wrote:

On Monday 04 December 2006 14:55, Jon M wrote:

Still new when it comes to Gentoo and so I'm stuck when it comes to
picking a firewall to use.  I know that most (if not all) of them just
use iptables to block/allow stuff but I like the simplicity of having it
do it automatically. 


iptables is *the* firewall for linux.

Anyway, I've been using APF on CentOS which worked 
great.  Setting it up couldn't have been easier.  Unfortunately it

doesn't seem to want to play nicely with Gentoo.  So now I'm looking for
a new firewall.  I tried Shorewall but it seems a little too complicated
to set up.  Is there something as simple as APF that works with Gentoo?


I don't know what APF is.
But, if you want a GUI, try fwbuilder.
Or, emerge -S iptables, there are loads of others.


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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Alan E. Davis wrote:

 I don't know how to mark this email thread as Solved.  This did it:
 
 CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=y
 
 Google is my friend, I hadn't seen this before.

Ah, right. AHCI is the new generic SATA controller interface (IIRC). Might 
be worth reporting to the pciids sourceforge project that your PCI device 
actually speaks AHCI, rather than the old vendor-specific interface, so 
that lspci will eventually give people in your position useful advice.

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Re: [gentoo-user] new udev (?) loading ipw3945 without starting ipw3945d

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, jak gentoo wrote:

 if you use the testing versoin of ipw3945d it comes with an rc
 startscript, maybe that helps.
 I 'm using ipw3945d testing an I didn't had problems after updating udev to
 103

That solved it for me. That's probably a better design overall, anyway. 
Although it would be neat if the initscripts were clever enough to have 
net.* check whether the device it's starting needs anything, rather than 
simply making sure you do the necessary stuff first.

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[gentoo-user] Acer 5103 WLMi laptop

2006-12-04 Thread Ian Porter

Hi All,

I have just purchased an new Acer laptop, 5103 WLMi and I am using 
gentoo on my desktop machine but would like to have an dual boot on the 
laptop as well.


I have tried the am64 since it dual turion 64 processors, but get kernel 
panics.  Was just wondering if there is any advice on what install CD to 
use and also any advice on setup (wireless broadcom BCM 41xx series) and 
also if there is any major binaries that I could use to get the system 
up and running without the laptop burning up from compiling ? (KDE 
binaries preferably)


Purchased from (http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-8758.aspx)

Thanks
Ian

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[gentoo-user] Re: lost /boot recovery options?

2006-12-04 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:


  Something really weird is going on. I building a kernel all I had in
  /boot was the 2.6.18-gentoo-r3 files listed above. After running
  'emerge -v grub'
  all of the previous files and including the System.map, kernel
  and config files suddenly appeared under /boot. I keep old kernels
  around for 4 or 5 generations back.

 That seems weird, unless /boot wasn't mounted before.

Nope is was mounted. That where I copied over the new
kernel 2.6.18-gentoo-r3.

Maybe reiserfs on the boot partition has anomolous features

   Install GRUB to the MBR again (this step may not be necessary, but
   it's best to be safe).  

  3] from the handbook:
  grub-install /dev/hda


 grub
 root (hdx,y)
 setup (hdx)
 quit

Worked like a charm.

Thanks Neil (and Mick)

James





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Re: [gentoo-user] Acer 5103 WLMi laptop

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Ian Porter wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I have just purchased an new Acer laptop, 5103 WLMi and I am using gentoo on
 my desktop machine but would like to have an dual boot on the laptop as well.

I had good luck going to http://gentoo-wiki.com/Index:Hardware and looking 
at laptops generally similar to mine. Looks like there's a bit of info on 
the 5102 WLMi, and links to other sites that might have useful additional 
info. I also found it useful to put up my notes on my own laptop there, in 
case other people would find it useful, and so that I could find info 
again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Acer 5103 WLMi laptop

2006-12-04 Thread Ian Porter

Daniel Barkalow wrote:

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Ian Porter wrote:

  

Hi All,

I have just purchased an new Acer laptop, 5103 WLMi and I am using gentoo on
my desktop machine but would like to have an dual boot on the laptop as well.



I had good luck going to http://gentoo-wiki.com/Index:Hardware and looking 
at laptops generally similar to mine. Looks like there's a bit of info on 
the 5102 WLMi, and links to other sites that might have useful additional 
info. I also found it useful to put up my notes on my own laptop there, in 
case other people would find it useful, and so that I could find info 
again.
  


Thanks very much.. shall read up on it :)

Ian
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firewall recommendations

2006-12-04 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Alan E. Davis

I have posted to the pciid mail address.

Alan

On 12/5/06, Daniel Barkalow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Alan E. Davis wrote:

 I don't know how to mark this email thread as Solved.  This did it:

 CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=y

 Google is my friend, I hadn't seen this before.

Ah, right. AHCI is the new generic SATA controller interface (IIRC). Might
be worth reporting to the pciids sourceforge project that your PCI device
actually speaks AHCI, rather than the old vendor-specific interface, so
that lspci will eventually give people in your position useful advice.

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Re: [gentoo-user] new udev (?) loading ipw3945 without starting ipw3945d

2006-12-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:41:27 -0500 (EST), Daniel Barkalow wrote:

 That solved it for me. That's probably a better design overall, anyway. 
 Although it would be neat if the initscripts were clever enough to have 
 net.* check whether the device it's starting needs anything, rather
 than simply making sure you do the necessary stuff first.

You could add something to preup() in /etc/conf.d/net to run the program
before the interface comes up.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat

2006-12-04 Thread Georg Witwer

First of all I'd like to thank you for your feedback. We had a
Userrel/Userreps meeting last Saturday and had a vote about the issue.
It resulted in instating Alex Bogak aka
djay-il as the eleventh and last User Representative. This motion passed
unanimously and Alex accepted the position with immediate effect.

It was a pragmatic decision for the good of the project and I do hope
that you all understand this.

But I think we need to work out a new voting procedure and rules that
settle such issues anyways. The ones that are in place right now,
where worked out when the whole project was rather unclear and it
would make sense to rethink them now that the project has come to
life.

Best regards,
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[gentoo-user] Gigabit NIC but only 100baseT/Full working

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel van Ham Colchete

Hi all!

I have two servers here with two Intel E1000 NIC each.

I'm planing on using the eth1 ethernet with DRBD. My problem is that
although the NICs support gigabit ethernet, they only negociate with
100baseT/Full. I'm using a CAT-5E crossover cable between the servers.

Here is my dmesg (both servers):
e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex

My ethtool shows the following (both servers):
Settings for eth1:
  Supported ports: [ TP ]
  Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Full
  Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
  Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Full
  Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Speed: 100Mb/s
  Duplex: Full
  Port: Twisted Pair
  PHYAD: 0
  Transceiver: internal
  Auto-negotiation: on
  Supports Wake-on: umbg
  Wake-on: g
  Current message level: 0x0007 (7)
  Link detected: yes

Does anyone have any tip?

Best regards,
Daniel Colchete
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabit NIC but only 100baseT/Full working

2006-12-04 Thread Khabi
From my understanding thats not a problem with the OS, but with the crossover 
cable itself. The os is seeing it as a Gigabit card.

I believe a cat6 cable will work and give you the right speed, you may want to 
try that.  Alternativly, the following should work if you crimp one yourself.

Connector1  Connector2
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Orange/whiteGreen/White
Orange  Green
Green/White Orange/White
BlueBrown/White
Blue/White  Brown
Green   Orange
Brown/White Blue
Brown   Blue/White


-Rick

On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:49:09PM -0200, Daniel van Ham Colchete wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 I have two servers here with two Intel E1000 NIC each.
 
 I'm planing on using the eth1 ethernet with DRBD. My problem is that
 although the NICs support gigabit ethernet, they only negociate with
 100baseT/Full. I'm using a CAT-5E crossover cable between the servers.
 
 Here is my dmesg (both servers):
 e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
 e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
 
 My ethtool shows the following (both servers):
 Settings for eth1:
   Supported ports: [ TP ]
   Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
   100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
   1000baseT/Full
   Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
   Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
   100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
   1000baseT/Full
   Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
   Speed: 100Mb/s
   Duplex: Full
   Port: Twisted Pair
   PHYAD: 0
   Transceiver: internal
   Auto-negotiation: on
   Supports Wake-on: umbg
   Wake-on: g
   Current message level: 0x0007 (7)
   Link detected: yes
 
 Does anyone have any tip?
 
 Best regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabit NIC but only 100baseT/Full working

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel van Ham Colchete

Thanks Rick,

I'm going to try that tomorrow. I thought CAT5e cable would support
gigabit connections.

Best regards,
Daniel Colchete

On 12/4/06, Khabi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From my understanding thats not a problem with the OS, but with the crossover 
cable itself. The os is seeing it as a Gigabit card.

I believe a cat6 cable will work and give you the right speed, you may want to 
try that.  Alternativly, the following should work if you crimp one yourself.

Connector1  Connector2
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Orange  Green
Green/White Orange/White
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Green   Orange
Brown/White Blue
Brown   Blue/White


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Re: [gentoo-user] EXt4

2006-12-04 Thread Jerry McBride
On Monday 04 December 2006 15:11, Dale wrote:
 Randy Barlow wrote:
  Jerry McBride wrote:
  The ext2 fs was formatted with mke2fs and mounted with -t ext2 -o
  sync
  The ext3 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext3
  -o sync
  The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
  ext4dev -o sync
  The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
  ext4dev -o sync,extents
 
  So the only thing that will make an FS ext4 is mounting it as ext4?
  Does this mean that you could take an existing ext3 FS and just plain
  mount it as ext4?
 
  R

 and once you do mount ext4 there is no turning back??

 Dale

 :-)  :-)  :-)

Not true. Once you mount ext4 AND use the extents mount option and THEN 
write to the ext4 partition... THEN there's no going back...

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Re: [gentoo-user] EXt4

2006-12-04 Thread Jerry McBride
On Monday 04 December 2006 12:29, Randy Barlow wrote:
 Jerry McBride wrote:
  The ext2 fs was formatted with mke2fs and mounted with -t ext2 -o
  sync The ext3 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
  ext3 -o sync The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with
  -t ext4dev -o sync
  The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext4dev
  -o sync,extents

 So the only thing that will make an FS ext4 is mounting it as ext4?
 Does this mean that you could take an existing ext3 FS and just plain
 mount it as ext4?

 R

Which version of e2fsprogs are you using and how much are you willing to test 
a developing filesystem?

That aside... as long as you don't use the ext4dev extents mount option, 
there does  not seem to be a problem. Atleast none for me and the bit of 
expirementing that I've done.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabit NIC but only 100baseT/Full working

2006-12-04 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 04 December 2006 23:30, Daniel van Ham Colchete wrote:
 I'm going to try that tomorrow. I thought CAT5e cable would support
 gigabit connections.

Cat5e does support gig ethernet.
The cable has to be good though. I know I've had at least one cable that 
looked perfectly fine, worked perfectly at 100meg, but would never 
auto-negotiate at 1gig.

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Re: [gentoo-user] EXt4

2006-12-04 Thread Dale
Jerry McBride wrote:
 On Monday 04 December 2006 15:11, Dale wrote:
   
 Randy Barlow wrote:
 
 Jerry McBride wrote:
   
 The ext2 fs was formatted with mke2fs and mounted with -t ext2 -o
 sync
 The ext3 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t ext3
 -o sync
 The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
 ext4dev -o sync
 The ext4 fs was formatted with mke2fs -j and mounted with -t
 ext4dev -o sync,extents
 
 So the only thing that will make an FS ext4 is mounting it as ext4?
 Does this mean that you could take an existing ext3 FS and just plain
 mount it as ext4?

 R
   
 and once you do mount ext4 there is no turning back??

 Dale

 :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Not true. Once you mount ext4 AND use the extents mount option and THEN 
 write to the ext4 partition... THEN there's no going back...

   

I don't know what extents are but I think I will pass for a while
longer.  Make sure this is going to work right.  I have heard that the
original developer is in jail or going to be soon or something.  I hope
someone takes the project over since it sounds like a good file system.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)


Re: [gentoo-user] SATA

2006-12-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:27:04 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote:

 You are certainly most welcome.  I'm grateful to everyone who kept
 answering.  This list is great.  I got this from googling for the
 message from lspci.

In the end, I decided to reboot anyway, just to see what happened. both
of my SATA controllers, one Promise, one VIA, still work so the AHCI
option is not needed with them.

  Thank you for pointing this out. I looked at my SATA settings in an
  attempt to find a solution to your problem and the only difference was
  that I had this set. The menuconfig help indicated I probably didn't
  need it so I rebuilt the kernel without it yesterday. Thanks for
  posting this before I rebooted :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabit NIC but only 100baseT/Full working

2006-12-04 Thread kashani

Daniel van Ham Colchete wrote:

Hi all!

I have two servers here with two Intel E1000 NIC each.

I'm planing on using the eth1 ethernet with DRBD. My problem is that
although the NICs support gigabit ethernet, they only negociate with
100baseT/Full. I'm using a CAT-5E crossover cable between the servers.

Does anyone have any tip?


auto negotiation sometimes doesn't though it's light years better than 
it was ten years ago. I'd play around with ethool -s and set both sides 
manually to full 1000. If you don't get errors I'd make that part of the 
boot process as well as the network scripts if you restart your 
interfaces often.


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Re: [gentoo-user] EXt4

2006-12-04 Thread kashani

Dale wrote:
I don't know what extents are but I think I will pass for a while 
longer.  Make sure this is going to work right.  I have heard that the 
original developer is in jail or going to be soon or something.  I hope 
someone takes the project over since it sounds like a good file system.


	You're thinking of rieserfs4 not ext4. ext4 is going to a bit of a dev 
playground as changes come pouring in and new implementation bugs get 
worked out. I'd stay with ext3 unless you actually need extents, you 
don't, or the idea of an unmountable or corrupted filesystem at some 
indeterminate point in the future appeals to you. :-)


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[gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread David Relson
Today when I ran emerge -au world I was surprised to see

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.17-r2 [2.6.17-r1] 

because I'm presently running a 2.6.19-gentoo-r2 kernel (built from
gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1 using genkernel).

When I run emerge -C linux-headers it warns me that 

!!! 'sys-kernel/linux-headers' is part of your system profile. 
!!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. 

Common sense tells me that anything 2.6.19 renders all things
obsolete that relate to 2.6.17.  Am I right?

Also, where is it recorded that linux-headers 2.6.17-r2 is important?
I suspect I ought to delete that info as well.

Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 01:53, David Relson wrote:
 Today when I ran emerge -au world I was surprised to see

 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild U ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.17-r2 [2.6.17-r1]

 because I'm presently running a 2.6.19-gentoo-r2 kernel (built from
 gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1 using genkernel).

 When I run emerge -C linux-headers it warns me that

 !!! 'sys-kernel/linux-headers' is part of your system profile.
 !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system.

which is correct.


 Common sense tells me that anything 2.6.19 renders all things
 obsolete that relate to 2.6.17.  Am I right?


No, you totally are wrong. Userland headers (the stuff in /usr/include) and 
the kernel are two independent entities. Don't mix them up. You need the 
headers, and it does not matter which kernel version you have.

 Also, where is it recorded that linux-headers 2.6.17-r2 is important?
 I suspect I ought to delete that info as well.

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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread Statux
The old way of doing things was to make the following two symlinks:

/usr/include/linux - /usr/src/linux/include/linux
/usr/include/asm   - /usr/src/linux/include/asm

Then the second would be linked to the correct set of asm headers for
your architecture, etc, inside the linux kernel source tree.

Somewhere along the lines, the symlinking idea became deprecated in
favor of using a hard set of header files. I forget why this came to be
but I agree that at some point, a newer kernel must render some portion
of an old set of headers outdated. I think the linux-headers package is
intended to be kept as up to date as possible to avoid interface
changes/incompatibilities. Why it's not kept even and why the
redundancy? Good questions.

I would figure that if you wanted to manually maintain a hard set of
headers and keep them installed in the correct places, you're free to do
so but the linux-headers package has been properly maintained from my
experience.

My $0.02.

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 19:53 -0500, David Relson wrote:
 Today when I ran emerge -au world I was surprised to see
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild U ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.17-r2 [2.6.17-r1] 
 
 because I'm presently running a 2.6.19-gentoo-r2 kernel (built from
 gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1 using genkernel).
 
 When I run emerge -C linux-headers it warns me that 
 
 !!! 'sys-kernel/linux-headers' is part of your system profile. 
 !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. 
 
 Common sense tells me that anything 2.6.19 renders all things
 obsolete that relate to 2.6.17.  Am I right?
 
 Also, where is it recorded that linux-headers 2.6.17-r2 is important?
 I suspect I ought to delete that info as well.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 02:23, Statux wrote:
 The old way of doing things was to make the following two symlinks:

 /usr/include/linux - /usr/src/linux/include/linux
 /usr/include/asm   - /usr/src/linux/include/asm

 Then the second would be linked to the correct set of asm headers for
 your architecture, etc, inside the linux kernel source tree.

that was years ago. And the linux-devs will kill you for that.


 Somewhere along the lines, the symlinking idea became deprecated in
 favor of using a hard set of header files.

Because the linux-kernel-headers are totally broken for userspace. Nothing, no 
app, no tool, no lib, should use them. They are constantly changing, and 
very, very bad. There is some work, to make them userspace usable. But it 
just started.


 I forget why this came to be 
 but I agree that at some point, a newer kernel must render some portion
 of an old set of headers outdated. 

no, it does not. Because they are seperated. Some distros even use 2.4 headers 
for userspace and get along well.

 I think the linux-headers package is 
 intended to be kept as up to date as possible to avoid interface
 changes/incompatibilities. Why it's not kept even and why the
 redundancy? Good questions.

Again, the linux-headers package is a cleaned up, modified 'for userspace 
only' version, while the kernel's headers are a messy pile of 'for kernel 
usage only'.
Some 'linux headers' are in fact glibc headers. So calm down. The headers and 
the kernel are not related in any big way anymore.
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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread David Relson
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:23:49 -0500
Statux wrote:

 The old way of doing things was to make the following two symlinks:
 
 /usr/include/linux - /usr/src/linux/include/linux
 /usr/include/asm   - /usr/src/linux/include/asm
 
 Then the second would be linked to the correct set of asm headers for
 your architecture, etc, inside the linux kernel source tree.
 
 Somewhere along the lines, the symlinking idea became deprecated in
 favor of using a hard set of header files. I forget why this came to
 be but I agree that at some point, a newer kernel must render some
 portion of an old set of headers outdated. I think the linux-headers
 package is intended to be kept as up to date as possible to avoid
 interface changes/incompatibilities. Why it's not kept even and why
 the redundancy? Good questions.
 
 I would figure that if you wanted to manually maintain a hard set of
 headers and keep them installed in the correct places, you're free to
 do so but the linux-headers package has been properly maintained from
 my experience.
 
 My $0.02.

Interesting.  At the moment emerge is updating my linux-headers from
2.6.17-r1 to 2.6.17-r2.  The first step is downloading
linux-2.6.17.tar.bz2 which, at 41MB, seems more like a complete kernel
source tree than just the headers.  Overkill, eh?

It's interesting to compare the keywords of
Linux-headers-2.6.19.ebuild, i.e. -*, to gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1
which has ~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~sparc ~x86.  If I'm interpreting these
correction, gentoo-sources is available but unstable while the headers
(a subset of the source) is completely masked out.  I wonder why that
would be???

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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 02:42, David Relson wrote:
 On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:23:49 -0500

 Statux wrote:
  The old way of doing things was to make the following two symlinks:
 
  /usr/include/linux - /usr/src/linux/include/linux
  /usr/include/asm   - /usr/src/linux/include/asm
 
  Then the second would be linked to the correct set of asm headers for
  your architecture, etc, inside the linux kernel source tree.
 
  Somewhere along the lines, the symlinking idea became deprecated in
  favor of using a hard set of header files. I forget why this came to
  be but I agree that at some point, a newer kernel must render some
  portion of an old set of headers outdated. I think the linux-headers
  package is intended to be kept as up to date as possible to avoid
  interface changes/incompatibilities. Why it's not kept even and why
  the redundancy? Good questions.
 
  I would figure that if you wanted to manually maintain a hard set of
  headers and keep them installed in the correct places, you're free to
  do so but the linux-headers package has been properly maintained from
  my experience.
 
  My $0.02.

 Interesting.  At the moment emerge is updating my linux-headers from
 2.6.17-r1 to 2.6.17-r2.  The first step is downloading
 linux-2.6.17.tar.bz2 which, at 41MB, seems more like a complete kernel
 source tree than just the headers.  Overkill, eh?

maybe. The sources are downloaded, the headers extracted and patched.


 It's interesting to compare the keywords of
 Linux-headers-2.6.19.ebuild, i.e. -*, to gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1
 which has ~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~sparc ~x86.  If I'm interpreting these
 correction, gentoo-sources is available but unstable while the headers
 (a subset of the source) is completely masked out.  I wonder why that
 would be???

because the right patches of the headers are not there yet?

Again, don't confuse userspace headers and kernel versions. They can be 
completly independent and there is nothing to worry about.

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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 02:42, David Relson wrote:
 It's interesting to compare the keywords of
 Linux-headers-2.6.19.ebuild, i.e. -*, to gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1
 which has ~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~sparc ~x86.  If I'm interpreting these
 correction, gentoo-sources is available but unstable while the headers
 (a subset of the source) is completely masked out.  I wonder why that
 would be???

Because 2.6.19 headers break all sorts of things..

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerging nis-utils

2006-12-04 Thread Daryl Mathison

Richard Fish wrote:


On 12/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I should have read the email before i sent it. Sorry.
I am installing nis on my network of gentoo machines.  During the
compilation step I keep having the error in the original message.  I
performed a find / -name mp.h on my system and couldn't find it.  If you
need it, i can supply the call stack.



What version of nis-utils are you merging?  Also, what version of
dev-libs/gmp do you have installed?  Perhaps this bug may give you an
idea:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135102#c10

-Richard


I read the bug report, looks like I need to update my portage and get 
gmp.  I will do that and see if it works.


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Re: [gentoo-user] linux-headers vs gentoo-sources

2006-12-04 Thread David Relson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 03:07:11 +0100
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

 On Tuesday 05 December 2006 02:42, David Relson wrote:
  It's interesting to compare the keywords of
  Linux-headers-2.6.19.ebuild, i.e. -*, to gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1
  which has ~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~sparc ~x86.  If I'm interpreting
  these correction, gentoo-sources is available but unstable while
  the headers (a subset of the source) is completely masked out.  I
  wonder why that would be???
 
 Because 2.6.19 headers break all sorts of things..
 
 -- 
 Bo Andresen

All the replies are appreciated!  I hadn't considered that special
patches might be needed to make the kernel's header files useful in
user land.  

This thread shows the truth of the old maxim:

  Ask and ye shall learn.

Thank y'all.

David

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[gentoo-user] kdelibs

2006-12-04 Thread James
Hello,

I'm having trouble with a routine update on a system.

[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)
[ebuild  N] kde-base/kde-env-3-r4  0 kB


I've unmerged kde-base/kdelibs several times and then tried to install kde-env.
But then I cannot update kdelibs. Since it takes forever to compile kdelibs, 
I'm curious the steps to take to get this routing upgrade completed.

I get this after removal of kdelibs and emerging kde-env:

[blocks B ] kde-base/kde-env (is blocking kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r5)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)

any ideas how to fix this catch 22?


James



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Re: [gentoo-user] kdelibs

2006-12-04 Thread Richard Fish

On 12/4/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I'm having trouble with a routine update on a system.

[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)
[ebuild  N] kde-base/kde-env-3-r4  0 kB


I've unmerged kde-base/kdelibs several times and then tried to install kde-env.
But then I cannot update kdelibs. Since it takes forever to compile kdelibs,
I'm curious the steps to take to get this routing upgrade completed.

I get this after removal of kdelibs and emerging kde-env:

[blocks B ] kde-base/kde-env (is blocking kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r5)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)

any ideas how to fix this catch 22?


kde-env is superseded by current kdelibs versions.  You should add the
--tree option to your routine update command to see what is wrongly
trying to pull in kde-env.

-Richard
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[gentoo-user] Re: kdelibs

2006-12-04 Thread James
James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes:


 [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking 
 kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)
 [ebuild  N] kde-base/kde-env-3-r4  0 kB

 I get this after removal of kdelibs and emerging kde-env:
 
 [blocks B ] kde-base/kde-env (is blocking 
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r5)
 [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking 
 kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)
 
 any ideas how to fix this catch 22?


Even with both packages removed, the system thinks that 
kdelibs is still installed.

* kde-base/kdelibs
 Available versions:  3.5.2-r6:3.5 ~3.5.5-r4:3.5 3.5.5-r5:3.5 
~3.5.5-r6:3.5
~3.5.5-r7:3.5
 Installed:   none


yet an emerge -uDP reveals:

alculating world dependencies \
!!! Ebuilds for the following packages are either all
!!! masked or don't exist:
app-editors/xwpe

... done!
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking 
kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)
[ebuild U ] virtual/perl-Test-Simple-0.64 [0.62] 0 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/automake-wrapper-2-r1 [1-r1] 0 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/binutils-config-1.9-r3 [1.9-r2] 0 kB


Ideas on how to get the system to recognize that kdelibs is not 
installed
is most welcome.



James





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[gentoo-user] Re: kdelibs

2006-12-04 Thread James
Bo Ørsted Andresen bo.andresen at zlin.dk writes:


 You need to unmerge kde-env, upgrade to kdelibs-3.5.5 and then show us the 
 full output of `emerge --tree --pretend -uDv world` which will show why it is 
 trying to downgrade kdelibs to 3.5.4...


Removing kdevelop is now allow a routine 'emerge -uDv world' to run. Once that
is finished I'll post what you ask for.


James






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[gentoo-user] Re: kdelibs

2006-12-04 Thread James
Richard Fish bigfish at asmallpond.org writes:




 kde-env is superseded by current kdelibs versions.  You 
 should add the --tree option to your routine update
 command to see what is wrongly
 trying to pull in kde-env.


emerge -uDtp world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating world dependencies \
 Ebuilds for the following packages are either all
 masked or don't exist:
app-editors/xwpe

 done!
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (is blocking 
kde-base/kde-env-3-r4)
[nomerge  ] dev-util/kdevelop-3.3.2
[ebuild  N]  kde-base/kde-env-3-r4


OK so I unmerge kdevelop... It now seems to be updating.
But on other systems I have both kdelibs and kde-env 
installed:


What are both on one system, but another system will 
not update?


James



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