Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

>> > I'm soaking up a lot of your time (again). I'll return with any real >> > Gentoo questions I run into and to run down the final plan before I >> > execute it. Thanks so much for your help. Not sure what I'd do >> > without you. :) >> >> I'm sure Neil would step in if I'm hit by a bus >> He'

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

Am 01.10.2013 08:30, schrieb Carlos Sura: Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to gnome as a normal user, I can only log in to gnome as root. What I have done b

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 01/10/2013 00:14, pk wrote: > On 2013-09-30 08:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> That is over-simplifying the problem and trivializing it. No-one ever >> said the *everythign* in /usr is criticial for boot. > > Is it really over-simplyfying it? How am I supposed to know whatever > comes next? Some

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

On 01/10/2013 08:07, Grant wrote: > Keeping all of the laptops 100% identical as far as hardware is > central to this plan. I know I'm setting myself up for big problems > otherwise. > > I'm hoping I can emerge every package on my laptop that every other > laptop needs. Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

>> > Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need >> > is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At >> > this point I'm thinking I shouldn't push packages themselves, but >> > portage config files and then let each laptop emerge unattended based >>

[gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to gnome as a normal user, I can only log in to gnome as root. What I have done before this started: emerge -uDvaN world emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

Keeping all of the laptops 100% identical as far as hardware is central to this plan. I know I'm setting myself up for big problems otherwise. I'm hoping I can emerge every package on my laptop that every other laptop needs. That way I can fix any build problems and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera > (klondike) wrote: Ohh and BTW, /usr was not just added because someone added a harddrive, in most cases it was used to allow machines contain a very small system >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: >>> Ohh and BTW, /usr was not just added because someone added a harddrive, >>> in most cases it was used to allow machines contain a very small system >>> on / which was enough to just boot and mount a networked syst

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:47:46PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > My desktop > > % df /usr > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > silastic/usr zfs32G 15G 17G 48% /usr > > My laptop > > % df /usr > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > bangbang/usr

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am 30.09.2013 22:48, schrieb Dale: >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> 500gb harddisks are extremely cheap. 150gb for / with usr and you will >>> be fine for ages. Why are you acting like this is a problem? >> Maybe cheap for you but not so for me. I'm on a fixed inco

[gentoo-user] Package Create on remote Host

Hello, i have a Rootserver with Power. Can i built package on this Host and send Package to my Notebooks? Can i built Packages on the Root without local install? I has read about distcc and other way with NFS. But NFS over Network not the best and sounds complicate. Thank you & Nice Day Sil

[gentoo-user] Sloppy sterm screen update over ssh

I've recently noticed when ssh'ing into another machine that the xterm display doesn't fully update. I.e. there are "holes" where an app updates over a previous screen. I've tried Google, but any mention of "screen" is interpreted as the "screen" utility. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

El 30/09/13 00:47, Volker Armin Hemmann escribió: > Am 29.09.2013 18:41, schrieb Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike): >> El 29/09/13 18:03, Volker Armin Hemmann escribió: >>> Am 29.09.2013 17:12, schrieb Greg Woodbury: On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > things

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:14:55 +0200, pk wrote: > > Your second paragraph reveals that you beleive you already know > > everything you need to have to boot your system. Now do the same for > > every possible Gentoo user out there and have it work 100% of the time > > in ALL valid cases. > > I *do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 23:05:29 +0100, Mick wrote: > > > really? so when I moved PORTDIR to /var/portage I was ahead of the > > > rest? Wow... > > > > You were ahead of me for sure :-) > > > > I clearly remember one day long long ago you ranted and raved about > > how a huge chunk of /usr was wri

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:05:39 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > If *something1* at boot time requires access to *something2* at boot > > time that isn't available then I would say that *something1* is broken > > by design not the *something2*. > > What about the case where *something2* *USED TO BE

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 2013-09-30 08:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: > That is over-simplifying the problem and trivializing it. No-one ever > said the *everythign* in /usr is criticial for boot. Is it really over-simplyfying it? How am I supposed to know whatever comes next? Someone ("upstream") *may* find it boot-critica

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Monday 30 Sep 2013 20:14:44 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/09/2013 19:25, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >>> But... is /usr/portage the default/recommended location? If so, then I > >>> > >>> >> don't think I want to move it - I generally never change defaults > >>> >> unless there is a very good

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:40:45PM +0200, pk wrote > If *something1* at boot time requires access to *something2* at boot > time that isn't available then I would say that *something1* is broken > by design not the *something2*. What about the case where *something2* *USED TO BE AVAILABLE, BUT

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Am 30.09.2013 22:48, schrieb Dale: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> 500gb harddisks are extremely cheap. 150gb for / with usr and you will >> be fine for ages. Why are you acting like this is a problem? > Maybe cheap for you but not so for me. I'm on a fixed income, > disabled. Also, my brother

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:31:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I'm soaking up a lot of your time (again). I'll return with any real > > Gentoo questions I run into and to run down the final plan before I > > execute it. Thanks so much for your help. Not sure what I'd do > > without you. :) > >

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:38:36 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: > I agree to 100% with you Dale. I have /usr on a separate LVM partition > (I only have, as you, / and /boot on regular partitions) to be able to > easily extend it (which I have been forced to do a few times). > And as my VG-partition start

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > 500gb harddisks are extremely cheap. 150gb for / with usr and you will > be fine for ages. Why are you acting like this is a problem? Maybe cheap for you but not so for me. I'm on a fixed income, disabled. Also, my brother has cancer and I'm taking him to treatment

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:25:57 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: > > 150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages. > > I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops... > > My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB. > > My current / is on

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30.09.2013 20:09, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > Peeps using LVM: > If, right now, you were forced to boot into /, without /usr, would you > be able to manually assemble your usr using pv/vg/lv tools - without > the assistance of udev? Sure can!!! -- Dan Johansson, *

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

Am 30.09.2013 20:23, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > [ 1747.393960] hpet1: lost 2 rtc interrupts > [ 1747.452994] hpet1: lost 1 rtc interrupts > [ 1747.481786] hpet1: lost 1 rtc interrupts > [ 1747.527556] hpet1: lost 1 rtc interrupts > [ 1747.660527] hpet1: lost 1 rtc interrupts > [ 1747.726264]

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> (or big chunks of it) over to your other workstations. > > > > Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need > > is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At > > this point I'm th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On 2013-09-30 09:32, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I never mentioned /var at all. > > Go back and read again what I did write. I'm quite aware what you wrote. If you only read what I wrote... English is not my native language but the word *may* surely cannot be misunderstood? Ok, I'll make it simple:

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

On 30/09/2013 19:31, Grant wrote: >>> Keeping all of the laptops 100% identical as far as hardware is >>> central to this plan. I know I'm setting myself up for big problems >>> otherwise. >>> >>> I'm hoping I can emerge every package on my laptop that every other >>> laptop needs. That way I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

On 09/30/2013 06:31 PM, Grant wrote: >>> Keeping all of the laptops 100% identical as far as hardware is >>> central to this plan. I know I'm setting myself up for big problems >>> otherwise. >>> >>> I'm hoping I can emerge every package on my laptop that every other >>> laptop needs. That way I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 19:25, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> But... is /usr/portage the default/recommended location? If so, then I >>> >> don't think I want to move it - I generally never change defaults unless >>> >> there is a very good reason to do so. >> > It's /var/portage for new installs. If you wa

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 19:25, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: >> 150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages. > > I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops... > > My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB. > > My current / is only 83M, so even a

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

Am 30.09.2013 19:07, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > Am 30.09.2013 11:54, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> Am 29.09.2013 16:37, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >>> Am 27.09.2013 17:55, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: >>> > What direction to go? force or disable HPET? > > neither >>> An

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Dan Johansson wrote: > On 29.09.2013 20:25, Dale wrote: >> Simple, I have never had to resize / or /boot before. I have had to >> resize /usr, /var and /home several times tho. THAT is the reason. For >> me, it doesn't matter if it is rational to YOU or not. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

Am 30.09.2013 19:46, schrieb Bruce Hill: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 07:36:35PM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >> >> What is the best way to transfer multi-GB-files in LAN? I don't really >> need encryption here ... > > Did not mention rsync has: > -n, --dry-run perform a trial run

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM, pk wrote: > On 2013-09-30 04:05, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> are the same. Distro packagers, however, have to decide for 100% of the >> cases. >> So they're going to end up making weird decisions that are easy for you to >> second-guess but are actually tough. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 07:36:35PM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > What is the best way to transfer multi-GB-files in LAN? I don't really > need encryption here ... Did not mention rsync has: -n, --dry-run perform a trial run with no changes made as well as many other option

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 07:36:35PM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > What is the best way to transfer multi-GB-files in LAN? I don't really > need encryption here ... My choice is always "rsync -av /source/ user@IP:~/destination/" because it won't copy a corrupt file. Make sure you understan

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Am 30.09.2013 19:25, schrieb Tanstaafl: > On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: >> 150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages. > > I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops... > > My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB. > > My current / is only 83M, so even af

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

Am 30.09.2013 19:07, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > Am 30.09.2013 11:54, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> Am 29.09.2013 16:37, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >>> Am 27.09.2013 17:55, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: >>> > What direction to go? force or disable HPET? > > neither >>> An

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple systems with identical hardware

>> Keeping all of the laptops 100% identical as far as hardware is >> central to this plan. I know I'm setting myself up for big problems >> otherwise. >> >> I'm hoping I can emerge every package on my laptop that every other >> laptop needs. That way I can fix any build problems and update any >

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: 150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages. I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops... My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB. My current / is only 83M, so even after I merge /usr into it, it will still be only @ 5G

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Am 30.09.2013 11:00, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On 30/09/2013 00:53, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2013-09-29 5:15 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Those numbers are not likely to change much with time, with one >>> exception: >>> >>> /usr/src >>> >>> That can get real big real quick if you don't clean up kern

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Am 30.09.2013 01:27, schrieb Dale: > Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale wrote: >>> Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially constantly grow over time (li

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

Am 30.09.2013 11:54, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > Am 29.09.2013 16:37, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> Am 27.09.2013 17:55, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: >> What direction to go? force or disable HPET? >>> neither >> And what to do to avoid those lost interrupts? > Is there no go

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 29.09.2013 20:25, Dale wrote: > Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2013-09-29 11:24 AM, Dale wrote: >>> Tanstaafl wrote: Dale - I'm honestly curious, what is your reason, philisophical or technical, for wanting a separate /usr? Everything I've read says there is no good reason for it to

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd installation location

pk wrote: > > Seriously, boot-critical would be something that the system cannot *boot > without*, which belongs in /. Everything else should be in /usr, i.e. > non-boot-critical. How hard is it to start *non-boot* (system) critical > *after* boot (things like sshd)? I do that today... For somebo

Re: [gentoo-user] poppler - how to update it elegantly?

On 30/09/2013 14:37, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > On 09/30/2013 02:24:40 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 30/09/2013 13:55, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> > Hi, my most hated package is poppler. Each time in the past and now >> > again it's hard to upgrade. >> > >> > portage (2.2.7) cannot handle it, so I hav

Re: [gentoo-user] poppler - how to update it elegantly?

On 09/30/2013 02:24:40 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/09/2013 13:55, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > Hi, my most hated package is poppler. Each time in the past and now > again it's hard to upgrade. > > portage (2.2.7) cannot handle it, so I have to (manually) unmerge all > packages depending on it a

Re: [gentoo-user] poppler - how to update it elegantly?

On 30/09/2013 13:55, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > Hi, my most hated package is poppler. Each time in the past and now > again it's hard to upgrade. > > portage (2.2.7) cannot handle it, so I have to (manually) unmerge all > packages depending on it and emerge them after > the poppler upgrade again. >

[gentoo-user] poppler - how to update it elegantly?

Hi, my most hated package is poppler. Each time in the past and now again it's hard to upgrade. portage (2.2.7) cannot handle it, so I have to (manually) unmerge all packages depending on it and emerge them after the poppler upgrade again. Has anybody found a more elegant procedure? Many t

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 12:32, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Monday 30 September 2013 10:01:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> If the udev people had made "net ifnames=0" the default, and allowed >>> >>> the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set "net.ifnames=

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Monday 30 September 2013 11:24:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:16 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > > Installing a new kernel does not magically make the old one break. If > > > that kernel worked yesterday, it will work today. > > > > Actually, that is not guaranteed. > > I re

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 12:27, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 09/30/2013 04:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> >> >>> Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate >>> /usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat >>> inter

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Monday 30 September 2013 10:01:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote: > > If the udev people had made "net ifnames=0" the default, and allowed > > > > the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set "net.ifnames=1", > > this would not have been an issue. So

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 09/30/2013 04:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > >> Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate >> /usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat >> interesting to me. /usr stores some pretty important da

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:16 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > Installing a new kernel does not magically make the old one break. If > > that kernel worked yesterday, it will work today. > > Actually, that is not guaranteed. > I remember a situation in the past where boot-critical software > requi

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:01:27 +0200, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > > mount /usr -o remount,ro > > mkdir /newusr > > rsync -a /usr/ /new/usr/ > > Comment out /usr line in /etc/fstab > > mv /usr /oldusr > > mv /newusr /usr > > reboot > > rmdir /oldusr > > > > What you do with the old partition is u

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Sunday 29 September 2013 22:09:35 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote: > > I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a > > (barely) passable linux sys admin > > Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close. > > Don't knock y

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Sunday 29 September 2013 19:36:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:53:26 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Precisely. And, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong), that > > simply keeping your old kernel/initramfs around is NOT a guarantee (it > > might work - and it might NOT) o

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:57:12AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:31:37 -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > > Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate > > /usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat > > interesting to me. /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow network transfers ... lost interrupts because of clocksource?

Am 29.09.2013 16:37, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > Am 27.09.2013 17:55, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > >>> What direction to go? force or disable HPET? >>> >>> >> neither > > And what to do to avoid those lost interrupts? Is there no good suggestion for this?

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote: > Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate > /usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat > interesting to me. /usr stores some pretty important data on it, and I > imagine you'd need to mount it somew

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/09/2013 01:08, Dale wrote: >>> At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it "the hard >>> way". So do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do it EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:36:02PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Mark David Dumlao > wrote: > And, on a personal note, I find a little quaint (and somehow naïve) to > think about (for example) bluetooth as a "corner case", when most of > us walk with a blue

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

»Q« wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:39:35 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> I think I'll update that Kubuntu disk right quick while I am thinking >> about it. Fall back plan just in case. ;-) > Make sure you notify the Kubuntu mailing list of your contingency plans > in case Kubuntu's init thingy gives y

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 00:53, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-09-29 5:15 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Those numbers are not likely to change much with time, with one >> exception: >> >> /usr/src >> >> That can get real big real quick if you don't clean up kernel sources >> often. Ideally, you'd make that a suita

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:14:08 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > seperate /usr has stopped working fine AGES AGO. Just some setups were > > lucky enough not to stumble over the wreckage and fall into the > > shards. > > I.e. the 99% who don't need initramfs before today. Some corner case > exotic

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:03:11 -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote: > One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a seperate /usr > is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. How so? All the files GRUB2 needs to boot are in /boot and GRUB is out of the picture before the kernel loads or mounts /,

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Sunday 29 September 2013 14:45:05 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale wrote: > > Tanstaafl wrote: > >> The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that > >> question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to > >> abandon gentoo, only a reason to me

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:42:37 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > What was /usr's original purpose? > /usr was originally the home directory. Programs were moved there > because Unix didn't fit into a single disk. > > http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html Thanks f

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote: > If the udev people had made "net ifnames=0" the default, and allowed > the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set "net.ifnames=1", > this would not have been an issue. Some corner case exotic setups > require complex solutions... no ifs/ands

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 01:40, Daniel Campbell wrote: > The best path for you seems to be a merge of / and /usr. I asked Alan > how to do this since he seemed knowledgeable about it. If he replies, > maybe his advice will be handy and save you a lot of trouble. It seems > clear to me that you want to avoid t

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 30/09/2013 01:08, Dale wrote: >> At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it "the hard way". >> So >> > do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do >> > it >> > EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else but a problem >> > with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On 30/09/2013 08:31, pk wrote: > On 2013-09-30 00:04, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> It's the general idea that you can leave /usr unmounted until some >> random arb time later in the startup sequence and just expect things to >> work out fine that is broken. >> >> It just happened to work OK for years