On Monday 02 Jun 2014 15:17:10 Stroller wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2014, at 4:22 pm, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
I am using tmux and find it convenient especially for managing remote
sessions, but I have noticed that the commands running in a session shown
at the bottom right hand
Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl:
Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when
playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time
favorite apps, is no more.
Well, considering the fact that Linux comes with its own bunch of
encrytion
Howdy,
Just wanted to make sure I read the change logs shown below correctly.
So far, I've been using sys-power/upower. Attempting to update
sys-power/upower seems to require sys-apps/systemd to be pulled in as a
dependency, which I don't want to do.
If I understand the change log below
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:59:07 AM Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
Howdy,
Just wanted to make sure I read the change logs shown below correctly.
So far, I've been using sys-power/upower. Attempting to update
sys-power/upower seems to require sys-apps/systemd to be pulled in as a
dependency,
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:30:11 +
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Sounds like Samuli is being a pr*ck by forcing systemd on everyone
now.
Which is a lot better than to have it break by the lack thereof.
A proper solution would have been to have the upower ebuild
select systemd as a
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:39:39 AM Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:30:11 +
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Sounds like Samuli is being a pr*ck by forcing systemd on everyone
now.
Which is a lot better than to have it break by the lack thereof.
A proper
On 6/3/2014 3:17 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
So no loss at all if TrueCrypt would really cease to exist.
Which totally misses the point of *how* it happened.
But never mind... it was definitely off-topic for gentoo.
On Tuesday 03 June 2014 11:48:22 J. Roeleveld wrote:
Then the dependencies should have been fixed prior to making this stable.
Actually, though it may be marked as stable, it isn't, by which I mean that I
can't emerge -uaDvN world today - I get udev and systemd blocking each other.
I ran
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:30 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:59:07 AM Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
Just wanted to make sure I read the change logs shown below correctly.
So far, I've been using sys-power/upower. Attempting to update
sys-power/upower seems to
It is marked stable. Otherwise it wouldn't cause blockers because it attempts
to force an installation of systemd.
--
Joost
On 3 June 2014 12:06:26 CEST, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Tuesday 03 June 2014 11:48:22 J. Roeleveld wrote:
Then the dependencies should have been
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:13 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
It is marked stable. Otherwise it wouldn't cause blockers because it
attempts to force an installation of systemd.
The issue isn't really that upower requires systemd so much as that
portage can't figure out that it makes
On 03/06/14 14:30, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Sounds like Samuli is being a pr*ck by forcing systemd on everyone
now. A proper solution would have been to have the upower ebuild
select systemd as a dependency ONLY when the systemd useflag is set.
And depend on upower-pm-utils when it is not set. --
On 03/06/14 14:48, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Then the dependencies should have been fixed prior to making this stable.
And that's exactly what happened.
On Tuesday 03 Jun 2014 11:00:17 Tanstaafl wrote:
On 6/3/2014 3:17 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
So no loss at all if TrueCrypt would really cease to exist.
Which totally misses the point of *how* it happened.
But never mind... it was definitely off-topic for gentoo.
With
Hello,
mean this i must install now systemd? What can do when i not want systemd.
The system what i have is good, i want not change to systemd.
[ebuild U ~] sys-devel/gettext-0.19 [0.18.3.2] USE=acl cxx ncurses nls
openmp -cvs -doc -emacs -git -java -static-libs 16,221 kB
[ebuild R]
On Tue, 3 June 2014, at 6:59 am, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
…
I have:
…
status-left #[fg=blue]#T
…
status-right #[fg=blue][#S]
…
Thanks Stroller,
On the left status bar I see this:
[0] 0:bash*
with one window open. As I create more windows it adds to it like
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote:
Hello,
mean this i must install now systemd? What can do when i not want systemd.
The system what i have is good, i want not change to systemd.
[ebuild U ~] sys-devel/gettext-0.19 [0.18.3.2] USE=acl cxx ncurses nls
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:19:00 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:30 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org
wrote:
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:59:07 AM Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
Just wanted to make sure I read the change logs shown below
correctly. So far,
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:30:11 +
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Sounds like Samuli is being a pr*ck by forcing systemd on everyone
now.
AIUI from https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992290.html, no one
is maintaining systemd-independent power management anywhere upstream
any more.
On Tuesday 03 June 2014 09:29:35 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
If I understood correctly, you need to:
emerge -C sys-power/upower
emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils
and then update world as usual.
That worked for me - thanks Canek. Portage no longer tries to break a blockage
circle, and
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Tuesday 03 June 2014 09:29:35 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
If I understood correctly, you need to:
emerge -C sys-power/upower
emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils
and then update world as usual.
That worked for
On 03/06/14 18:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Maybe a news item explaining the switch of upower would help those who
haven't
blundered into this yet.
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:35 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés
can...@gmail.com wrote:
If I understood correctly, you need to:
emerge -C sys-power/upower
emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils
and then update world as usual.
Yes is correct, i has find out after read ebuilds from the packages which
On 06/03/2014 02:19 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Sounds like the original poster had the right answer. Starting a
systemd flamewar is not helpful.
emerge -1 sys-power/upower-pm-utils should fix this.
However, this probably should have been a news item before going into
the stable tree...
Rich
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:14:56 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
(I think I'll be forced to write up some minimal news item just to
shut up the loud minority who can't be bothered to do anything
themselfs, like even read package ChangeLogs if they stumble upon
something manual.)
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:26:48 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
Quick question though. What's the benefit of using '-1' there? So the
package doesn't get added to the world list? Or are there some extra
benefits?
That is more than sufficient benefit. Having upower-pm-utils in @world
could cause
On 03/06/2014 16:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote:
Hello,
mean this i must install now systemd? What can do when i not want systemd.
The system what i have is good, i want not change to systemd.
[ebuild U ~]
On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime
it happens is unrealistic?
Weren't you the one saying that those of us who were
On 06/03/2014 06:46 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:26:48 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
Quick question though. What's the benefit of using '-1' there? So the
package doesn't get added to the world list? Or are there some extra
benefits?
That is more than sufficient benefit.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime
it
On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Monday, June 02, 2014 04:23:07 PM Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Jun 2, 2014, at 17:52, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Monday, June 02, 2014 03:23:03 PM Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 09:53:58 PM Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
I actually meant the software side:
- How to wipe the keys and then wipe the whole memory.
The dm-crypt module inside kernel provides a crypt_wipe_key function that
On Jun 4, 2014, at 0:05, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 09:53:58 PM Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
I actually meant the software side:
- How to wipe the keys and then wipe the whole memory.
The dm-crypt
Am 03.06.2014 12:00, schrieb Tanstaafl:
So no loss at all if TrueCrypt would really cease to exist.
Which totally misses the point of *how* it happened.
How it happened is strange and you can make many theories about it.
The more interesting question about it for sure is: why did many
On 03/06/2014 18:48, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime
it happens is unrealistic?
Weren't you the
On 03/06/2014 19:08, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Who is forcing anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE
YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the
right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had
*nothing* to do with it, except for providing
Am 03.06.2014 22:14, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
This whole systemd thing looks awfully like the switch from a hosts file
to DNS so many years ago.
Not really. What many people bothers about systemd is that it is getting
more and more
a) a hard dependancy for software projects, e.g. like GNOME,
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 10:53:15PM +0300, Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Jun 4, 2014, at 0:05, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 09:53:58 PM Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
I actually meant the software side:
-
On 03/06/2014 23:01, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 03.06.2014 22:14, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
This whole systemd thing looks awfully like the switch from a hosts file
to DNS so many years ago.
Not really. What many people bothers about systemd is that it is getting
more and more
a) a hard
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:11:11 -0400
cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
john jdm at jdm.myzen.co.uk writes:
lxqt is up and running in Gentoo. It's listed in packages.
The only problem I had was emerging lxqt-panel but just had to
change a
use
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server
client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from writing such
software? Are they not allowed to do it? Does it break legal laws?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server
client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's
developers at the beginning of May this year.
Linus rants about everything and everyone, usually at least twice, once
for and once against. It proves nothing beyond Linus
On 04/06/2014 00:06, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
[...]
Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server
client, and an
On 04/06/2014 00:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's
developers at the beginning of May this year.
Linus rants about everything and everyone, usually at least twice, once
for
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
[...]
Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/06/2014 00:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's
developers at the beginning of May this year.
On 6/3/2014 16:13, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
[...]
Incidentally,
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:06:52 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Once again, you do not understand the claim.
If a user of Gentoo chooses to use non systemd profile, it means that
we need to make sure systemd will not be a valid option, ever.
There is no such thing as a non systemd
On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
FWIW, on my system, I had to mask sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
for it to merge the udev update w/o trying to pull in systemd, et al. i
didn't deep dive on what was trying to pull that in, but masking it
(plus a ton of other stuff I have
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
FWIW, on my system, I had to mask sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
for it to merge the udev update w/o trying to pull in systemd, et al. i
didn't deep dive on what was trying to
On 06/03/2014 11:14 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 18:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Maybe a news item explaining the switch of upower would help those who
haven't
blundered into this yet.
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure
On 06/03/2014 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Who is forcing anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE
YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the
right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had
*nothing* to do with it, except for
On 06/03/2014 09:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
FWIW, on my system, I had to mask sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
for it to merge the udev update w/o trying to pull in systemd,
On 06/03/2014 09:48 PM, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
FWIW, on my system, I had to mask sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
for it to merge
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/03/2014 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Who is forcing anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE
YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the
right decision; UPower just did the
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
FWIW, on my system, I had to mask
Hi,
while updateing I got this blocker:
(sys-fs/udev-212-r1::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,gudev,introspection?,static-libs?]
On 06/03/2014 09:57 PM, Michael Cook wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:48 PM, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
FWIW, on my system, I had to mask
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:11 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
while updateing I got this blocker:
(sys-fs/udev-212-r1::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
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On 06/04/2014 12:11 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
while updateing I got this blocker:
In short, sys-power/upower has changed to no longer support the unmaintained
sys-power/pm-tools and instead depend on systemd.
To remain using upower with
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On 06/04/2014 12:21 PM, wraeth wrote:
If you prefer, you could install systemd (note that having it installed
doesn't necessarily mean you use systemd as your init system) - see [1].
May help if I include my reference links... :|
[1] -
wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au [14-06-04 04:24]:
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On 06/04/2014 12:21 PM, wraeth wrote:
If you prefer, you could install systemd (note that having it installed
doesn't necessarily mean you use systemd as your init system) - see [1].
May help
On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the
emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay.
Unfortunately, the xfce stuff is not, so even if the overlay currency
was an issue, I'll still be showing some
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