Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a good windowmanager
090912 Lars Gustäbel wrote: I've been using fvwm2 for years now ... I have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop ... Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? I couldn't find anything about it in the manual dropped further investigation of Fvwm as a result. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a good windowmanager
090912 pk wrote: Philip Webb wrote: Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? Virtual desktops are part of the X window manager specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2505816 The application that handles the desktops are called a pager: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2504750 http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/stable/FvwmPager.php Thanks, I'll keep a note have another look sometime. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev and init.d. Should it be running now?
090910 Dale wrote: I noticed I now have a udev in /etc/init.d/. I checked, it is not running but udevd is not running either: r...@smoker / # /etc/init.d/udev status * status: stopped r...@smoker / # ps aux | grep udev root 30451 0.0 0.0 1888 504 pts/0 R+ 16:04 0:00 grep --colour=auto udev Using Baselayout 1.12.11.1 Udev 141 , I get : root:508 default ps aux | grep udev root 659 0.0 0.0 12524 936 ? Ss Sep10 0:00 /sbin/udevd --daemon -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] How often -uD world?
090909 Maxim Wexler wrote:
My netbook has only (4+8)G of sketchy SSD + SDHC RAM for everything
and I am determined not to emerge anything I don't really need.
But now that I'm mobile I have the capability of doing a -uD world
whenever it's required without having to take days of dialup time.
Question is, when's that? I assume with fewer packages,
updating is not as urgent as on a big desktop
with lots of HD space and lots of apps.
I recently successfully updated my stand-by desktop machine after 10 months.
I never do 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag,
but 'emerge -Dup world' shows an ordered list of what needs doing
you can work thro' the list 1 lineful of pkgs at a time.
I update my working machine once/week ('eix-sync' 'emerge -Dup world').
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
090903 Mark Knecht wrote: I'm wondering whether these stats are correct? They are captured from http://archives.gentoo.org/ I find them a bit disappointing. I was surprised how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60 % drop since the high in 2006. I was also surprised at the drop on gentoo-dev as it correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast. gentoo-dev gentoo-user gentoo-amd64 2009 374311126 1519 2008 537915269 1418 2007 848013643 1977 20061018425954 4038 2005 905515378 1880 2004 8569 545 27 2003 8324 2002 8156 2001 5679 20004 First, you need to adjust 2009 by 3/2 , ie 2009 561516689 2279 which shows a significant increase this year in all 3 categories. Otherwise, I agree with the other comments, ie that Gentoo has matured: Portage is more user-friendly, big changes like Udev have been accomplished, people who shouldn't be using Gentoo have dropped out the few devs who were responsible have stopped flaming one another (or perhaps do so on a non-public list somewhere else); it may also be true that the Forum has taken away a lot of users, who seem on average younger (it sounds like a high-school cafeteria). Quality is what matters I'ld say it has improved in recent years. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation
090828 Mark Knecht wrote: KDE3 may be masked before KDE4 is marked arch stable Maybe would be better to witch to gnome? Instead of Gnome consider something like XFCE. Very lightweight, builds quickly (say 10 minutes) little disk space. It has menus like Gnome and KDE. I also like fluxbox but it's probably too minimal for a committed KDE user. I was a committed KDE user till April, when I tried the latest Fluxbox haven't looked back: they've done a lot of work to make it useful. I still use a few KDE 3 apps, but am resigned to finding alternatives, if KDE 4.3.1 isn't a distinct improvement on 4.2.1, when I try it in Oct. Besides Fluxbox, I can recommend Xfce's Thunar Terminal, which I now use regularly. I expect to keep KDE 3.5.9 in my stand-by machine for a long time, but I don't update either box using 'emerge world', so I won't run into serious blocks masks. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation
090828 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Besides Fluxbox, I can recommend Xfce's Thunar Terminal, I've tested it, but Thunar, just as other Gtk file managers eg Nautilus, not even come close to what Konqueror 3 has to offer. Plus, their use (or rather) waste of screen space is exceptional. I use Krusader for heavy lifting. MC 4.7.0 sb out soon they mb aiming for a really new MC 5 , which wb worth investigating. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: When will the ~ go from Firefox 3.0.12?
On 08/15/2009 11:46 PM, Konstantinos Agouros wrote: normally gentoo was quick with security updates for Firefox but it is almost a month now since 3.0.12 and still the ~ is attached. I updated to 3.5.2-r1 yesterday it works very well. also, 3.5 is much faster than 3.0 on my older stand-by machine. My policy is to avoid 'testing' for system or other vital packages, but use it for well-maintained items like Firefox. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problems with the web browsers
090816 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 08/16/2009 07:40 PM, M Daniel R M wrote:
I've run firefox before with many other Linux flavours
and never got to this status of inability;
once you've got about six tabs opened on the same frame window,
firefox gets close to hang, and you become unable to manage it anymore,
Doing top from a CLI shows a %CPU _over_ 100%, amazing!
At the end, you'll have to kill the process from console.
I remember Firefox was biting me with this too at some time.
The solution was to Edit-Preferences and in the Security tab
uncheck Block reported attack sites and Block reported web forgeries.
those features use sqlite to update internal databases
of thousands of malware sites which was bringing my CPU to its knees.
I have both those boxes checked rarely have a problem:
try toggling preferences which look CPU-intensive see what happens.
Occasionally, I do have a problem with a particular WWW page,
when I have to kill Firefox via 'htop', but it's rare (probably JS).
The 3.0 version was running very slowly on my 2003 machine (AMD Athlon),
but 3.5.2 is as fast there as here on my 2007 machine (Core 2 Duo).
CFLAGS=-march=nocona -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
if you're on a Core2 and a recent GCC,
you might want to change that to -march=core2 or -march=native.
I use Gcc 4.3.2-r3 have CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Free memory issue
090816 Raul Gonzales wrote: I have a 2G of physical RAM but even without any major activity output of free,vmstat and top reports only ~64M free. free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 1953 1888 65 0143 1557 -/+ buffers/cache:187 1765 Swap: 2055 0 2055 The crucial figure is '187', which is what is usable. You have a lot of something cached: any idea what it might be ? -- the kernel should delete that stuff, if it needs the space. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Firefox PDF problem (was something vague)
090814 CJoeB wrote: For the last little while (not sure when it started), Firefox will not load .pdf files (also files with a .aspx extention) - it downloads them and won't even display them if I try opening the pdf after download. I have nppdf.so as a plugin. Which version of Firefox ? Which PDF files (one or more examples) ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood
090812 Alan E. Davis wrote: I'm a little reluctant to say this, but it's been a couple of months now since I switched back to Gentoo, and I want to shout out my pleasure that this system has been performing admirably well this time around, in comparison with earlier installations. None of the earlier installations were unacceptable, in fact, Gentoo remained my favorite. I moved to Ubuntu because maintainance of the Gentoo boxes was much more time consuming. Yes, that seems to be the usual reason users leave Gentoo: like owning a dog, you have to find time to maintain/exercise it. However, unlike a dog, you can catch up after a long absence: I've just finished updating the system in my stand-by box, which had hardly been touched since 0809, but everything's ok now. I've watched Gentoo plummet in the popularity ratings, eg at distrowatch. It got a lot of attention from the neophiles c 2002 , but as with everything they soon moved on to the next latest fad. Gentoo is not for everyone: compare 'Financial Times', one of the World's best newspapers, but it takes 3 days to read 1 issue. I've watched as the best documentation EVER on Gentoo wiki as fallen off the edge of the world. Admin got neglected awhile, but my impression is that lessons were learned the basic running of the distro is now well-managed. Now, however, I have not had any such problem, or maybe I should say, the one or two times I have it was easy to figure things out. Is it because I'm more experienced, or perhaps more cautious? I don't know, but I tend to think the distribution is more mature. If you insist on being at the cutting edge, sometimes you hurt your fingers. I haven't had a serious problem with Gentoo since installing it 2003 again in my latest machine 2007 . Just last week, after Mozilla made sound the default setting for Xulrunner + Firefox, I entered a bug -- I don't want sound software in my machine -- got a very prompt fix from the dev involved (thanks again). And never a cranky whine, like on other lists, never any complaint. There was a silly troll last week, but everyone ignored it: yes, that's a sign of maturity. Thank you to all the developers and all the list people who have consistently given the highest and most professional level of assistance to a rather clueless user. This is typical, and always has been with Gentoo's community. The devs do need to get regular thanks for their unpaid work. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood
090812 Dale replied to bn :
I am becoming very reluctant in updating critical components -
eg my kernel, which is basically untouched since I installed late 2007.
I keep at least two working kernels in /boot.
I do mine manually and name them in my own way,
something like bzImage-kernel version-local version.
When I upgrade and get a known good kernel where everything works well,
I then do some house cleaning with regard to the older kernels.
As far as packages, just use 'buildpkg' in 'make.conf'
and then you have a binary backup that can be restored in a few minutes
Backups are also nice. Just in case.
Exactly what I was going to advise ! It's worth mentioning 'make oldconfig'
to help configure the new kernel ('?' gives you help on each new item).
Someone else already mentioned System Rescue CD (based on Gentoo).
The tools are all there in Gentoo: you just have to find use them.
Perhaps someone should write a doc 'Gentoo for the Time-Challenged'.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I find new packages?
090804 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: There used to be a package which ran after a sync to report new and updated packages. At some point a year ago or so, it disappeared. I have long since forgotten its name. I always update Portage via 'eix-sync', which does what you want. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: openoffice fails on qt_plugins_3.3rc
090719 James wrote: Roy Wright roy at wright.org writes: Also are you building OO from source or running the binary version? Well, it's definately a permission problem, because as root I can run OO flawlessly. Here are the parent dir permissions: ls -l /usr/qt/3/etc/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 Jul 19 14:54 settings Here are the content permissions: ls -al /usr/qt/3/etc/settings/ total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 Jul 19 14:54 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 Dec 30 2008 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Jul 19 14:54 .keep_x11-libs_qt-3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Jul 19 14:48 .qt_plugins_3.3rc.lock -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3801 Jul 19 14:50 qt_plugins_3.3rc Can somebody check these(again) for me? root:510 etc pwd /usr/qt/3/etc root:511 etc ls -la total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2007-10-27 22:30 . drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 328 2009-01-10 16:44 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 280 2009-07-02 03:41 settings root:512 etc cd settings root:513 settings ls -la total 12 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 280 2009-07-02 03:41 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2007-10-27 22:30 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 533 2007-12-05 00:56 kconfigrc -rw--- 1 root root0 2007-11-07 08:36 .kconfigrc.lock -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 2009-01-10 16:44 .keep_x11-libs_qt-3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2689 2009-07-02 03:41 qt_plugins_3.3rc -rw--- 1 root root0 2007-10-28 23:28 .qt_plugins_3.3rc.lock -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1694 2007-11-04 07:44 qtrc -rw--- 1 root root0 2007-10-29 16:39 .qtrc.lock NB I have 2 more files than you + their locks. This is OO 3.1.0 (compiled from source) + 'qt-3.3.8b-r1'. HTH -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server mouse and keyboard woes
090709 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: If all else fails: x11-base/xorg-server -hal Is there any other advice? A new HAL made no difference. Sigh. I ran into this twice, first on my frontline machine, then on the stand-by. The solution was 'USE=-hal emerge xorg-server', then remerge all drivers. There was a Gentoo help doc re it, which gave this as the simplest option. 'evdev' is a separate matter: you need to include it in your kernel, than you can simplify your drivers. HTH -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : purs...@chass.utoronto.ca ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [gentoo-user] Spurious warnings?
090630 Alan McKinnon wrote: We often attempt to ascribe human intelligence to software. It's a side-effect of being human. Be alert for it :-) One for my commonplace book (smile) ! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Seek advice: converting Sabayon to Gentoo ?
090626 Alan E. Davis sought: advice about converting a nominally successful Sabayon install to Gentoo. -- details snipped -- so what's your hardware what do you use your machine for ? Gentoo is not for everyone, but it's not difficult to install or maintain: your experiences don't sound typical of a sensible user (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] To be mesa or not to be mesa...
090625 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: I am using an nvidia graphics card GeForce (7600 GT (rev a2)) with the nvidia drivers. Do I need mesa to be installed ? I am heavily using OpenGL with Blender. On my machine with an 'Asus EN8500GT Nvidia 512 MB DDR2 800' card root:502 root eix ^mesa$ ... Installed versions: 7.3-r1([2009-04-11 04:50:13])(motif nptl -debug -doc -kernel_FreeBSD -pic -video_cards_intel -video_cards_mach64 -video_cards_mga -video_cards_none -video_cards_r128 -video_cards_radeon -video_cards_s3virge -video_cards_savage -video_cards_sis -video_cards_sunffb -video_cards_tdfx -video_cards_trident -video_cards_via -xcb) ... root:503 root equery d mesa [ Searching for packages depending on mesa... ] virtual/glu-7.0 (media-libs/mesa) virtual/opengl-7.0 (media-libs/mesa) x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r6 (!minimal? =media-libs/mesa-7.1) x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-180.29 (media-libs/mesa) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090614 Tal2baro wrote: I also had a problem with the KDE menu missing after the upgrade to 3.5.10 I've investigated starting from the message from kbuildsycoca found there was nothing in ~/.config/menus/ expected by kbuildsyscoca So I copied /usr/kde/3.5/etc/xdg/menus/ content to ~/.config/menus/ ran 'kbuildsycoca --noincremental' at least it fixed the problem even after a reboot. Thanks ! -- I did the same: the Krusader 'open with' has been restored it survived a reboot ! There mb some obscure bug remaining, but if it works, don't fiddle with it ! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090613 Mick wrote: On Saturday 13 June 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Yet another step reveals the locus of the problem here at least: (11) try to run 'klauncher' from CLI : must be started by Kdeinit; (12) restart in KDE, fix Krusader + Apwal ; (13) reboot restart FB but without 'kdeinit ' in ~/.xinitrc : Krusader 'open with' ok ! So my problem seems to lie in starting 'kdeinit' without the KDE desktop. It will take another couple of reboots (tomorrow) to confirm this. Mick mb doing things a bit differently his problem mb elsewhere. I have rebooted a number of times (it's a laptop), always in xdm/fluxbox, but my Konqueror menus/kcontrol work fine now. I do not have kdeinit in the fluxbox startup file. That means your problem is/was something else. After a long sleep, I restarted the machine Krusader's 'open with' is ok. It looks as if the problem here is that if 'kdeinit' is started without an existing desktop to relate to, some connection is not made. As it makes no noticeable difference to start-up times, I can easily do without having 'kdeinit ' in ~/.xinitrc . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090613 Philip Webb wrote: It looks as if the problem here is that if 'kdeinit' is started without an existing desktop to relate to, some connection is not made. I've investigated further can't find which file Krusader uses to remember its file associations. However, I did find the changelog for 'kdelibs-3.5.10-r2', which says move kdeglobals to kdelibs for non-KDE users using KDE apps, which looks like the crucial change. Even so, there's nothing relevant in ~/.kde3.5/share/config/kdeglobals . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090612 Mick wrote: I've rebooted twice with same kernel (gentoo-2.6.29-r5) and the settings seem to have stuck. Not sure what I've done differently before to cause the settings to be lost. No changes of kernel here (same as yours). I've experimented with the same experience as you : (1) (with damaged Krusader 'open with' in Fluxbox): restart in KDE: won't start KDE Control Centre; restore 'open with' via Krusader: ok; (2) restart KDE: ok; (3) restart FB: Krusader 'open with' ok, incl use of Kview for JPG, which I didn't tell it to do under (1) ! (4) restart KDE: ok; (5) logout user, login, restart KDE: ok, restart FB: ok; (6) reboot, restart KDE: ok ! (7) restart FB: Krusader 'open with' ok ! So it's not something happening in the login or boot processes as such. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
Further steps reveal something re the problem: (8) reboot: restart KDE: ok; (9) restart FB: Krusader 'open with' ok (yes, these repeat steps 6-7 in the previous msg); (10) reboot: restart FB : try Krusader: Cannot talk to klauncher ! (click to close msg box) when Krusader starts, 'open with' fails ! So something is being started by the KDE desktop which persists for FB, but if I start FB straight after rebooting, it doesn't get started there's a failure of communication somewhere which affects Krusader. Does anyone have any suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
Yet another step reveals the locus of the problem here at least: (11) try to run 'klauncher' from CLI : must be started by Kdeinit; (12) restart in KDE, fix Krusader + Apwal ; (13) reboot restart FB but without 'kdeinit ' in ~/.xinitrc : Krusader 'open with' ok ! So my problem seems to lie in starting 'kdeinit' without the KDE desktop. It will take another couple of reboots (tomorrow) to confirm this. Mick mb doing things a bit differently his problem mb elsewhere. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090611 Mick wrote: I spoke too soon. This morning same story ... Menus are not present and running There must be a more intelligent fix to this than me booting into KDE every time I want to use a KDE application ? What's up with your KDE menu Philip? Were you able to make the changes stick? I checked Krusader on Fluxbox no the changes haven't stuck ! At least we're tracking the beast down, but haven't cornered it yet. Something must be getting changed when we reboot. You can test this by restoring the settings in KDE, then without rebooting check they're there in Fluxbox, then reboot see what has happened, presumably they wb lost again. After that has been confirmed, we can look into the cause more closely. Anyone else have suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090611 Philip Webb wrote: You can test this by restoring the settings in KDE, then without rebooting check they're there in Fluxbox, then reboot see what has happened, presumably they wb lost again. Actually, there are 2 possibilities, at user login at reboot, so both need checking separately. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost free space on /
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: solved
090608 Philip Webb wrote: 090608 Mick wrote: I seem to have installed kde-base/mimelib, I guess as dependency: eix kde-base/mimelib Installed versions: 3.5.10(3.5)(20:11:53 06/07/09)(-debug -elibc_FreeBSD) I also tried changing fluxbox for kdm (in case this is a fluxbox WM issue) and restarted X with kdm. Ran kbuildsycoca, but same error again. I always 'startx' from a raw terminal. I recompiled kcminit kfind kpersonalizer kreadconfig rebooted, but there is no change in Krusader's behaviour. After the usual night's sleep to clear the cerebral tmp files I thought of starting the new day in KDE to try fixing things there. I swapped to my KDE version of ~/.xinitrc then did 'startx' yes the desktop menus the panel menu had vanished. Then I started Krusader, got the 'open with' box for a text file told it to open the file with Leafpad: it did some updating obeyed. After that, the other default 'open with' apps worked as before the KDE menus had been restored. To get Apwal back with L-mouse I had to use the KDE Control Centre 'desktop behaviour' re-apply it. So everything is back to normal Krusader behaves properly on Fluxbox too. HTH anyone else. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing
090608 Mick wrote:
Just updated my KDE to the latest 3.5.10 and discovered
there is no KDE menu! This means no KDE applications menu,
no menu on the left hand pane when I run kcontrol from a terminal:
kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found!
Defaulting to Settings/
Also, I used to have this in my Fluxbox menu to launch Konqueror:
[exec] (Konqueror) {kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing}
However, this won't launch konqueror anymore.
elog said something about running kbuildsycoca as the user
I want to launch konqueror from, which I did,
but is there anything else I should do to fix any of the above?
I gave up on the KDE desktop after investigating KDE 4.2.1 (ugh!)
finding that the latest Fluxbox 1.1.1 was a bit better for what I do,
so I no longer use a KDE menu, but after updating to Kdelibs 3.5.10-r6 ,
I too encountered the problem with Konqueror above,
for which the fix is to rewrite with '{konqueror}'.
BTW I recommend Apwal for a quick pretty desktop menu
besides the more orthodox list you can put into the Fluxbox menu.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing
090608 Mick wrote: I noticed 'konqueror' works fine, so I changed the FB menu accordingly. Apwal looks cool, I will give it a spin, though I am conditioned to years of using the FB right-click menu. I have L-mouse = Apwal R-mouse = FB menu : in ~/.fluxbox/init : OnDesktop Mouse1 :Exec apwal OnDesktop Mouse2 :HideMenus OnDesktop Mouse3 :RootMenu The problem remains with most menus and submenus in KDE applications: e.g. right-click on a file in Konqueror, then 'Open With' and there are no applications in the popup to select from . Yes, that reminds me that there was also a problem with Krusader, which no longer knows what to open files with, even after it is told to 'remember' the desired app. I also updated to kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1 , which mb the cause of both problems. We should try recompiling Konqueror Krusader to see if that helps. Any KDE gurus out there ? They're all too busy looking at their reflections in Plasma (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing
090608 Cristian Gary wrote: 2009/6/8 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net 090608 Mick wrote: The problem remains with most menus and submenus in KDE applications: e.g. right-click on a file in Konqueror, then 'Open With' and there are no applications in the popup to select from . Yes, that reminds me that there was also a problem with Krusader, which no longer knows what to open files with, even after it is told to 'remember' the desired app. I also updated to kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1 , which mb the cause of both problems. Any KDE gurus out there ? They're all too busy looking at their reflections in Plasma (smile). Run in konsole kde 4.2 , bash$ kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental with this you force the rebuild of kde menu. We're not using KDE 4 ! -- I don't have any of KDE 4 installed ! I've remerged Konqueror Krusader the problem with the latter remains. I also (already) tried 'kbuildsycoca' : 501: ~ kbuildsycoca --noincremental kbuildsycoca running... kio (KService*): WARNING: The service/mime type config file application/x-staroffice.desktop does not contain a ServiceType=... or MimeType=... entry kbuildsycoca: ERROR: applications.menu not found in (/home/purslow/.config/menus/) kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kcertpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/binary-certificate' kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'katepart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-fortran' kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'knotify.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KNotify' kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'gvimagepart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/x-krl' Anyone have further suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing
090608 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: are you missing mimelib Yes, in fact I've never heard of it before. Has it suddenly become necessary with the latest KDE 3.5.10 ? have you updated from monolithic to split - and missed a couple of packages? Not here. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing
090608 Mick wrote: I seem to have installed kde-base/mimelib, I guess as dependency: eix kde-base/mimelib Installed versions: 3.5.10(3.5)(20:11:53 06/07/09)(-debug -elibc_FreeBSD) I also tried changing fluxbox for kdm (in case this is a fluxbox WM issue) and restarted X with kdm. Ran kbuildsycoca, but same error again. I always 'startx' from a raw terminal. I recompiled kcminit kfind kpersonalizer kreadconfig rebooted, but there is no change in Krusader's behaviour. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: buying a keyboard
090604 Paul Hartman wrote: 4) Cable so short it can't even reach the computer. I have a keyboard with an 18-inch cord. It is barely long enough to reach from one side of the keyboard to the other! Absolutely useless. Mine is theoretically extendible -- stretch of curled-up cord -- , but to reach the computer I have it plugged into a KVM switch, which is the only use the latter has in real life. It seems that USB extension cords are commonplace, but keyboard ditto non-existent. Then again, I believe current keyboards are USB. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm2 questions
090604 Maxim Wexler wrote: why give the logical volumes any size at all ? If they can be expanded at will, why not just the let the files fill them up as much as they need ? That's not how it works: you need to create the LVs with enough space for your likely needs LVM then assigns them in its own way to the PVs; later, if you made an LV too small, you can increase it (you also have to extend the file system after you've done that, but of couse don't simply reformat the whole LV); if you want to decrease an LV -- rather unlikely in real life -- , the problem is that you may risk losing data, if that part is dropped: I would imagine the correct procedure is to copy everything somewhere -- another LV, another partition, a USB stick -- , then delete the LV recreate it with the smaller size. When I set up LVM in my newly-built machine in Nov 2007 , I tried to estimate what each LV would need based on experience. Recently, I added a whole new LV extended another, but otherwise LVM has worked flawlessly (even SystemRescue recognises it). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: buying a keyboard
090604 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 04 June 2009 16:39:39 Dale wrote: Ajai Khattri wrote: About once a year, I wash all my keyboards (no, seriously). Dishwasher, quick wash, cold, leave somewhere warm to dry couple days. When I was working on computers, I used to clean them with pure alcohol then lay them on top of the A/C condenser, you know, the hot part. IBM system M keyboard ... best keyboard ever made. I'm still using the keyboard which came with my Sanyo XT in 1989 : lives on dust + crumbs, never cleaned, works as well as when I got it. Secret ? -- actually made in Japan ... (grin) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox 3.0.10 crashes
090520 dhk wrote: Ever since I upgraded firefox to version 3 it crashes when certain pages are opened. Currently I have version 3.0.10 and amd64. I've been hoping the problem would get fixed, but it hasn't been yet. For example I can not even go to ebay ( http://www.ebay.com ), the page flashes and then firefox crashes. I've had a problem since FF 3.0.8 when I ask to print an article from 'Spectator' magazine (needed to get the story in 1 page). I submitted a bug to Firefox, but nothing has happened. I've taken to using Konqueror instead, when I read 'Spectator', which doesn't suffer from the problem. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] upgrading from kernel 2.6.24-rc6 to latest kernel
090517 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 17 May 2009 12:18:14 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: 'make oldconfig' is the usual recommendation, but there's no help: it's just a list of Do you want to ... ? which you can't save easily. Of course there's help. Most options give a choice of y/n/m/?. Yes (red face). However, the crucial option here was ATA_SFF , for which 'make oldconfig' gives : ATA SFF support (ATA_SFF) [Y/n/?] (NEW) ? This option adds support for ATA controllers with SFF compliant or similar programming interface. SFF is the legacy IDE interface that has been around since the dawn of time. Almost all PATA controllers have an SFF interface. Many SATA controllers have an SFF interface when configured into a legacy compatibility mode. For users with exclusively modern controllers like AHCI, Silicon Image 3124, or Marvell 6440, you may choose to disable this uneeded SFF support. If unsure, say Y. The blurb tells me nothing, but if I follow its advice, I do get : ... JMicron PATA support (PATA_JMICRON) [Y/n/m/?] y which was what I needed (and now have). What the blurb should have added is the following, which occurs somewhat later in the config interview : X86 Platform Specific Device Drivers (X86_PLATFORM_DEVICES) [Y/n/?] (NEW) ? Say Y here to get to see options for device drivers for various x86 platforms, including vendor-specific laptop extension drivers. This option alone does not add any kernel code. If you say N, all options in this submenu will be skipped and disabled. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] upgrading from kernel 2.6.24-rc6 to latest kernel
090518 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2009 07:29:00 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: The blurb tells me nothing, but if I follow its advice, I do get : I said there was help, I didn't claim it was helpful :) I got bitten by this one a while ago on a box using a mixture of SATA and PATA disks, the PATA disk disappeared after an upgrade because I took the help to indicate I didn't need it. I should have followed the If unsure... advice. Yes, had I realised there was help available via '?', I would have seen that line would have taken the advice, when I would also have seen the JMicron line marked 'y'. I have updated the file which contains my kernel notes (wry smile). Hopefully, the OP has got some useful hints out of all this ... -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] upgrading from kernel 2.6.24-rc6 to latest kernel
090518 bn wrote: Philip Webb ha scritto: Hopefully, the OP has got some useful hints out of all this ... Yes. I'm kinda considering switching to Ubuntu. I love Gentoo, it's almost 4 years I'm using it, but I need this laptop to *work*, and I cannot afford to be consistently bitten by such unknowns. My only concern is that Ubuntu won't be better in the long end (even if I used it at work for years and I always felt comfortable with it), because of the upgrade/reinstall cycles. Well, you can get bitten by such things with any distro -- perhaps Slackware has the best reputation for utter reliability -- , but with Gentoo you do have the ability to fix anything yourself, even if it does need a bit of time to get advice act on it; you can also make notes to ensure you don't get bitten a 2nd time. With binary distros, you are stuck with whatever their makers give you. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] upgrading from kernel 2.6.24-rc6 to latest kernel
090518 bn wrote: Philip Webb ha scritto: With binary distros, you are stuck with whatever their makers give you. whatever distro you're using, Linux is Linux. You're not locked out. If my xorg.conf doesn't work (it happened with Ubuntu), I can edit it on Ubuntu just like on Gentoo. I can compile source packages on Ubuntu too, if needed. But don't you immediately run into all the settings assumptions which the creators of that release of that distro have made for you ? Can you have multiple versions of a library (as via Gentoo's slots) ? You're also stuck with their kernel: how many users of Mandriva compile their own kernels ? how safe is it to use your own kernel with the rest of the distro ? You also have to accept their version of big items like KDE : if you use Slackware, you've got to use KDE 4 , like it or not (me: not); with Gentoo, you can go on using KDE 3 its pieces much longer. If you use Ubuntu, you've got to accept their eccentric questionable attitude to passwords, esp that they don't have a separate root password. I find that a piece of cheap popularisation contrary to UNIX principles. So if you use Mandriva or Slackware -- good binary distros both -- , you accept what's been cooked for you are one of the crowd of diners. If you use Gentoo, you enjoy your own home cooking. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sr0 has disappeared: solved
090516 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Samstag, 16. Mai 2009 11:55:18 schrieb Philip Webb: I have got 2.6.25 to work again after enabling 'evdev' evdev is completely unrelated to CD writing. Yes, I know that: it was necessary in order to resurrect 2.6.25 after the big change in Xorg recently: I mentioned it in my OP. OK, let's look at the interesting parts: 03:00.0 IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMB368 IDE controller Kernel driver in use: pata_jmicron For this you need CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON=y, which you don't have. Aha ! -- it was present for 2.6.25 , so what happened to it ... ? Let's go through the kernel config: # CONFIG_PCIEPORTBUS is not set You really need to enable this (that is a PCI-Express machine, isn't it?). I didn't have in in 2.6.25 it doesn't seem to do anything I want: do you have suggestions what it might help with ? CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y Do you have a floppy drive, still? Yes lots of diskettes too (they ceased to be floppy long ago: grin)). I use one for quick back-ups of files I'm working on. CONFIG_HAVE_IDE=y Useless. Hmm, seems to be selected automatically, thus not that useless ;) However, I can't even find it in menuconfig. # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set As written before: No SG, no write (to CD). No, I didn't have it in 2.6.25 have just blanked a CD without it. The kernel help recommends 'No' unless you have a special reason. # CONFIG_ATA_SFF is not set You need to enable this to make CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON visible. ... THAT's what happened to it !! This is the change in 2.6.29 (it could have been in 2.6.26-8 , which I didn't install). So having enabled these two options, I now get /dev/sr0 can read write (at least blank) a CD again. This is another trap in configuring a new kernel, ie some needed option is moved /or needs another enabled to see it. Another trap I ran into briefly was a field needing a string, which looks as if all it needs is 'y/n' (also in 2.6.29). Thanks for the careful analysis. I will post a msg to the Forum, as there have been several inquiries there which seemed unresolved. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] upgrading from kernel 2.6.24-rc6 to latest kernel
090517 bn wrote: What are the caveats and pitfalls I should be aware of when upgrading to latest kernel? I resume this thread because I read of things like /dev/sr0 has disappeared You need to enable this to make CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON visible. ... THAT's what happened to it !! This is the change in 2.6.29 (it could have been in 2.6.26-8 , which I didn't install). So having enabled these two options, I now get /dev/sr0 can read write (at least blank) a CD again. This is another trap in configuring a new kernel, ie some needed option is moved /or needs another enabled to see it. Another trap I ran into briefly was a field needing a string, which looks as if all it needs is 'y/n' (also in 2.6.29). So, what kind of traps like that should I expect? That's part of the fun: you don't know what will hit you till it does ! As the OP of the above quote, my own resolution is to upgrade more often. 'make oldconfig' is the usual recommendation, but there's no help: it's just a list of Do you want to ... ? which you can't save easily. I upgraded from 2.6.25 that was the only real problem, which was caused by a change in 'make menuconfig' layout, so I'ld say go ahead, but step cautiously thro' the configuration, then test everything afterwards (I didn't find out re CDs till just now). Each new kernel sb accompanied by a list of changes in configuration with a short help paragraph for each: at present, that's missing. Something to for Gentoo devs to nag upstream to get improved (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sr0 has disappeared: kernel bug ?
Further to my earlier report, I have got 2.6.25 to work again after enabling 'evdev' have just successfully written System Rescue 1.2.0 using it. I also compiled 2.6.29-r4 -- the latest in Gentoo testing -- enabled the alternative IDE mode without anything changing. I also recompiled Udev Dbus Hal without any improvement. Kernel 2.6.29 is simply not creating a device for the CD drive. There is a thread on the Forum during the last few days, but it's like a conversation in a high-school cafeteria (smile) nothing has been resolved: others don't get /dev/sr0 either. Comments still welcome (I've sent output to a helper off the list). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] /dev/sr0 has disappeared: big mystery
For the 1st time in 2 months, I went to write a CD discovered that /dev/sr0 is not being created nor symlink /dev/cdrom ; I looked at 'dmesg': no mention of 'sr' or 'cd' being found. I've searched the Forum (more noise than signal as usual) Bugs: nothing. I tested the drive: SystemRescue 1.1.0 (kernel 2.6.25.16) starts correctly mounts /dev/sr0 on /mnt/cdrom ; its 'dmesg' says : sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/16x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray \ Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 BIOS reports Auto-detecting PATA primary master: ATAPI CD-ROM. I updated to Hal-0.5.11-r8 on 090221 Udev-124-r2 on 090418 ; I recompiled Udev, but that made no difference. I've checked the files which mention 'cd' in /etc/udev/rules.d there is no difference today from those at 090315 , when I did my last system back-up last used the CD drive. I've checked my kernel configs for 2.6.25 2.6.29 using 'gvimdiff' there is no difference between the relevant sections in Devices. I updated to 2.6.29 on 090404 . I tried my other kernels with the following unnerving findings : 2.6.25 creates /dev/sr0 , but after X starts the mouse/keyboard fail; 2.6.23 2.6.22 create /dev/sr0 , but X won't start at all. I notice that under 'Device Drivers - ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL Support' there are the lines : generic ATA/ATAPI disk support (NEW) [*] ATA disk support (NEW) [ ] ATAPI floppy support (NEW) Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support (NEW) I didn't say 'y' to 'ATA ... Support', so both config files (25 29) say # CONFIG_IDE is not set This is because I understood that if you have 'SCSI device support - SCSI CDROM support' enabled, then you shouldn't have 'ATA...RLL' enabled as well. Is this a vital change in 2.6.29 ? Has anyone else encountered this ? Does anyone have suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sr0 has disappeared: big mystery
090515 Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 15 May, Philip Webb wrote: BIOS reports Auto-detecting PATA primary master: ATAPI CD-ROM. Is your CDwriter a SATA device? Here, 2.6.29-r3 works just fine with my SATA-dvd-writer. Well, BIOS believes it's PATA . Anyway, that didn't change. I suspect some change involving kernel configuration: anyone know ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sr0 has disappeared: big mystery
090515 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Mai 2009 11:00:59 schrieb Philip Webb: For the 1st time in 2 months, I went to write a CD discovered that /dev/sr0 is not being created nor symlink /dev/cdrom ; I looked at 'dmesg': no mention of 'sr' or 'cd' being found. I tested the drive: SystemRescue 1.1.0 (kernel 2.6.25.16) starts correctly mounts /dev/sr0 on /mnt/cdrom ; its 'dmesg' says : sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/16x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray \ Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 Please post your kernel config. The relevant lines are # Device Drivers # Generic Driver Options CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH=/sbin/hotplug CONFIG_STANDALONE=y CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y # CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE= # CONFIG_SYS_HYPERVISOR is not set # CONFIG_CONNECTOR is not set # CONFIG_MTD is not set CONFIG_PARPORT=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y # CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_GSC is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_AX88796 is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_1284 is not set CONFIG_PNP=y # CONFIG_PNP_DEBUG_MESSAGES is not set # Protocols CONFIG_PNPACPI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_COW_COMMON is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CRYPTOLOOP is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SX8 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set # CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD is not set # CONFIG_ATA_OVER_ETH is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set # CONFIG_MISC_DEVICES is not set CONFIG_HAVE_IDE=y # CONFIG_IDE is not set --- is this the important line ? # SCSI device support # CONFIG_RAID_ATTRS is not set CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_SCSI_DMA=y # CONFIG_SCSI_TGT is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_NETLINK is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS is not set # SCSI support type (disk, tape, CD-ROM) CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR is not set # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SCH is not set ... # CD-ROM/DVD Filesystems CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y # CONFIG_JOLIET is not set CONFIG_ZISOFS=y # CONFIG_UDF_FS is not set BIOS reports Auto-detecting PATA primary master: ATAPI CD-ROM. What BIOS says is irrelevant. It does mention 'PATA' 'ATAPI', which mb relevant. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] conflict in update
090425 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: My world file is 5794 lines long. Well, it's true there are 13 465 pkgs in Gentoo (as of yesterday), but I have only 538 installed only 65 in 'world'. Yes, I use '-1' frequently ... (grin) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild description
090426 Michael P. Soulier wrote:
I installed eix and ran update-eix. When I run 'eix dev-lang/python'
it's highlighting version ~2.5.4-r2, which is what I have installed.
If the 2.5.4-r2 version is masked by keyword,
why's it installed on my system?
What I get is :
root:502 root eix ^python$
[I] dev-lang/python
Available versions:
(2.4) 2.4.4-r5 2.4.4-r6 2.4.4-r14 ~2.4.4-r15
(2.5) 2.5.2-r7 ~2.5.2-r8 2.5.4-r2
(2.6) ~2.6-r5 ~2.6.1-r1 ~2.6.2
{berkdb bootstrap build cxx doc elibc_uclibc examples gdbm ipv6 ncurses
nocxx nothreads readline sqlite ssl threads tk ucs2 wininst xml}
Installed versions: 2.5.4-r2(2.5)([2009-04-25 01:59:27])(gdbm ncurses
readline sqlite ssl threads tk xml -berkdb -build -doc -elibc_uclibc -examples
-ipv6 -ucs2 -wininst)
Homepage:http://www.python.org/
Description: Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented
programming language.
Apparently, our version of Python was unmasked very recently.
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Re: [gentoo-user] boot gentoo in 5 seconds?
090420 Liviu Andronic wrote: I stumbled on several posts [1] [2] concerning start-up speed of Linux. Compared with the 5-17 secs posted in the posts, my (slightly old) Gentoo needs around two minutes from power button to DE idle. It will all depend on your hardware precise start-up procedure. I have a regular desktop box with Asus P5K-VM mobo + Intel Core 2 Duo : Bios takes 10 s , Linux start-up (Lilo screen to login prompt) 25 s after 'startx' KDE 3.5.10 takes 25 s incl 10 apps ; Fluxbox takes 6 s , but I have to start the apps by hand (which is very quick if you assign them to Alt-Fn keys). Start-up time is not that important for a desktop machine, which its user typically starts once/day while making coffee etc. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] pre-starting KDE libs
Can anyone tell me the command to pre-start KDE libs with another desktop ? Xfce offers the option of pre-starting them, but I can't see where it occurs in its start-up scripts. I'm currently trying out Fluxbox (generally excellent!) would like to have it pre-start the libs for the KDE apps I use. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] pre-starting KDE libs
090420 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 20 April 2009 16:25:07 Philip Webb wrote: Can anyone tell me the command to pre-start KDE libs with another desktop ? I believe it's kcminit but it doesn't show up in ps afterwards. Thanks for the hint, which got me to look at what's running via 'htop'. This reveals that 'konsole' -- the 1st app I started after Fluxbox -- caused the following processes to start remain running : 3863 kdeinit running ... 3866 dcopserver [kdeinit] --nosid --suicide 3868 klauncher [kdeinit] --new-startup 3870 kded [kdeinit] --new-startup So it looks as if the needed command is 'kdeinit'. Does anyone else have any advice ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] what is starting net.eth0 and how to stop it?
090420 Valmor de Almeida wrote: I would like to start net.eth0 manually, therefore I currently have - rc-update show acpid | battery default bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot consolefont | boot cpufreqd | battery default hibernate-cleanup | boot hostname | boot keymaps | boot laptop_mode | battery lm_sensors | battery default local | battery default nonetwork localmount | boot modules | boot net.lo | boot netmount | battery default rmnologin | boot syslog-ng | battery default urandom | boot vixie-cron | battery default but net.eth0 continues to be started upon booting. In fact - /etc/init.d/net.eth0 status * status: started Is netmount starting net.eth0? If not, how can I stop it from starting automatically? I get rc-update show bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot consolefont | boot cupsd | default hald | default hostname | boot keymaps | boot local | default nonetwork localmount | boot modules | boot net.lo | boot ntpd | default rmnologin | boot sysklogd | default urandom | boot vixie-cron | default I start net.eth0 by hand, so it looks as if it's 'netmount'. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] pre-starting KDE libs
090420 Philip Webb wrote: Can anyone tell me the command to pre-start KDE libs with another desktop ? Htop reveals that 'konsole' -- the 1st app I started after Fluxbox -- caused the following processes to start remain running : 3863 kdeinit running ... 3866 dcopserver [kdeinit] --nosid --suicide 3868 klauncher [kdeinit] --new-startup 3870 kded [kdeinit] --new-startup So it looks as if the needed command is 'kdeinit'. I added 'kdeinit ' to ~/.xinitrc it made a small difference : Konsole starts 3 s sooner (wry smile). Also, that's only after a boot: otherwise, the KDE libs stay in memory when the WM terminates are instantly reloaded when Konsole asks for them. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] pdf thumbnailer
090418 Liviu Andronic wrote: Does anyone know a .pdf thumbnailer? Kpdf gives previews in its side index panel : I find it very useful. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Pausing kernel startup ?
090416 Thomas Chef wrote: Is it somehow possible to pause the kernel's startup text output ? The text is so fast so there is no way of reading it. 'Shift-PageUp' 'Shift-PageDown' allow you to scroll thro' the text. You can increase the size of the buffer among the kernel config choices. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.2.1 : beta is as beta does
090414 Roy Wright wrote: the change over to dolphin is disappointing. So far I've been able to mostly ignore it and use konqueror with one major exception, fish and sftp no longer work in konqueror. Only sftp works in dolphin. In the past (3.x), I always found fish bulletproof, while sftp occasionally would flake. I use Krusader, which employs Fish very effectively. I am very impressed with Thunar, the work of 1 man, Bernard Meurer (it doesn't do Fish AFAIK, but more abilities are promised). A minor gripe with Konsole is it not remembering the Show in Menu setting for profiles. Makes working with several custom profiles a pain. Yes, that's another for my long list of complaints. I have 4 Konsoles running, ordinary user, root, Mutt Lynx: each needs a different profile to get the correct colors app restarted, but I couldn't find out how to set up the profiles to achieve this. using plasmoids on the desktop, dock Show Plasmoids Desktop plasmoid. Basically one click and you have access to all your plasmoids. Almost as good as the Mac I didn't get as far as plasmoids it's many years since I used a Mac. One trick is place the CPU monitor plasmoid on the R edge of my screen, then leave c 0,5 in uncovered by windows to see the processor load. I have Gkrellm running on Desktop 8 , which shows that very clearly. I plan to remerge the 4.2.1 pkgs with USE=kdeprefix, then test it a bit further to see how far I can fix its ugliness; I didn't try out Kate or Konqueror yesterday, mb Okular cb set up better. I've always been impressed by the KDE developers, esp with 3.5.x , hope they will steadily restore its choices taste by 4.3 or 4.4 . Perhaps KDE is now where Xfce was with its 4.2 (2004: now 4.6). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.2.1 : goodbye good riddance
I unmerged all the kde-base/...-4.2.1 pkgs preparatory to remerging them with USE=kdeprefix it hit me: why am I wasting time on this rubbish ? KDE 4.2.1 is not -- as someone bluntly pointed out -- a successor to 3.5 : it's a whole new concept, not yet clear even in the minds of its developers. So I'm faced with something I don't want it's also full of bugs: I don't want desktops to slide to/fro when I change them, it's nauseating; Konsole profiles don't work, Dolphin won't start as I want, add the wrong item to a panel Plasma freezes with 1 CPU at 100 % . I cb content with Fluxbox, if KDE 3.5 disappears one day, but I do like the KDE 3.5 environment many of its applications: they're reliable, highly-configurable, attractive tasteful. There is an urgent need for a fork of KDE to improve 3.5 - 3.6 , while leaving the silly candy-babies to ape Microsoft Mac. I've removed the rest of what I installed to support KDE 4 (except Qt 4 ) may install Xfce 4.6 next weekend to see how far it's come since I last used it in autumn 2004 (a poor 4.2 then). As I've said, I'm impressed with Thunar, which is way ahead of Dolphin cb installed without most of Xfce 4 . There was an article in the Linux press last week about a plain user, who had had enough of Microsoft tried out a Linux distro: what she loved most was the simple practical Fluxbox desktop ... -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.2.1 : beta is as beta does
I got KDE 4.2.1 installed with only a couple of bugs along the way. I'm not impressed: there's some eye-candy, but usability is reduced. There's a very limited choice of desktop backgrounds: I like the 'No picture, pavement' choice in 3.5.10 with different colors, but there's nothing similar in 4.2.1 . I did something unexpected froze a new panel -- 1 CPU at 100 % -- managed to get back to normal only by deleting ~/.kde4/share . Dolphin is pathetic compared with Thunar, let alone Krusader (I've never tried Konqueror as a file manager). I can't try the new Gwenview, as some of the new files clash with the old I'm certainly not unmerging the KDE 3 version. I've gone back to 3.5.10 more or less, but am stuck with 4.2.1's desktop: the background, R-click menu 4.2.1 panel are still there working (no, trying to change it with the 3.5.10 CC has no effect). Can anyone suggest what I have to delete to get all of 3.5.10 restored ? I have a lot of respect for KDE developers over the past few years, but they've badly underestimated the size of their task for KDE 4 . Perhaps I should try Xfce 4.6 with some KDE 4 apps ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.2.1 : beta is as beta does
090413 Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I got KDE 4.2.1 installed with only a couple of bugs along the way. I'm not impressed: there's some eye-candy, but usability is reduced. I would suggest totally getting rid of everything KDE3 related before trying to go KDE4. I also had lots of problems with both installed. I'm much more likely to go the other way ... (smile) Honestly the background is rarely ever seen on my screen I like maximized windows. Same here, but I keep a small slice visible on some desktops -- I've had 10 for many years -- it's all there on the 2 spares. Overall I think KDE3 was much faster in performance Didn't I mention that too ... (grimace) ? I also didn't mention that Kmahjongg 4.2.1 doesn't allow you to edit the layout its traditional tiles are ugly. Nor is Okular a match for Kpdf 3.5.10 . I tried (re)moving .kderc.kde4 , but it doesn't alter the background: does anyone else have any suggestions how to restore the KDE 3 version ? I'm quite willing to try new things, but KDE 4.2.1 is definitely a beta. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.2.1 : the undead has been killed
090413 Philip Webb wrote: I've found out how to fix it: something is starting Plasma, so Htop to the rescue ! -- kill Plasma the hideous mask is removed -- it appears at the very end of the KDE start-up process -- the handsome KDE 3 desktop backgrounds reappear together with the desktop menus called up by mouse clicks. I didn't find out what was starting Plasma, but I fixed it : 'cd /usr/bin; mv plasma plasma-aside'. back to normal ! (clutches garlic, crucifix, incense ... ) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server 1.5.3 doesn't like 'freetype' and 'vga' modules?
090412 walt wrote: Philip Webb wrote: BTW the Nvidia driver is still being used (acc to 'lshal'), but its splash screen no longer appears: can anyone explain ? lshal is telling you that your nvidia hardware is recognized, but doesn't tell you that the hardware is being used by X. The best way to tell is to check X.0.log for lines like these: (II) LoadModule: nvidia (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so (II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation It says : (II) LoadModule: nvidia (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so (II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server 1.5.3 doesn't like 'freetype' and 'vga' modules?
090412 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:57:17 -0700, walt wrote: In that case I have no idea why the splashscreen doesn't show. Do you have this line in xorg.conf? Option NoLogo true No. Any other suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5.3 no mouse [solved]
For the record, in case anyone else runs into this, following the Gentoo Upgrade Guild, I chose course (2) to deal with HAL, ie I compiled 'USE=-hal emerge xorg-server'. I encountered 3 problems. (1) xf86-video-intel-2.6.3-r1 failed to compile with a message implying lack of a file 'xf86dri.h' : since I'm using an Nvidia card, not the Intel chip on the mobo, that seems not to be relevant for my needs. (2) after rebooting entering 'startx', I got a 'no screen' error, which was solved by commenting out the line incl RgbPath in xorg.conf . (3) when X finally started, my mouse didn't work: oh no ! -- first, I followed the 3rd course from the Upgrade Guide add 'Option AutoAddDevices false' to xorg.conf (it shouldn't be needed if you follow course (2) above); that didn't change anything, so I looked at my handwritten list of the pkgs I had installed, which I had numbered as usual, noticed that 'xf86-input-mouse' was compiled before 'xorg-server': had the former failed to notice '-hal' used with the latter ? -- so I recompiled the mouse module now everything is working as it should. Yet again, I was helped by NOT doing a blanket 'emerge world', but compiling (groups of) pkgs individually making a note of what I did. Also, I could see what was going wrong fix it much more easily, as I don't boot straight into X , but to a raw console first. Finally, it helps (if you use KDE) to enable keypad cursor movements, tho' I didn't find out how to emulate a mouse click that way. HTH comments welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5.3 evdev works
Again, for the record in case it's of use to others. Previously cautiously, I updated Xorg-server, but used the old modules. Having got that to work, I've gone the Evdev route it seems to work ! I recompiled kernel 2.6.29 to use 'event interface' (as instructed). Then in /etc/make.conf , I commented #INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse and replaced it with INPUT_DEVICES=evdev Then I recompiled Xorg-server without 'USE=-hal' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf commented the line #Option AutoAddDevices false I rebooted everything is working ! I have a Logitech mouse which I bought several years ago use a US keyboard layout, which probably simplified the task. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5.3 evdev works wonders
After installing Xorg-server 1.5.3 adopting the Evdev approach, I can unplug + replug my mouse keyboard without losing usage: previously, you had to restart X to get them back. I assume the idea behind the change is to allow hotplugging these devices. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server 1.5.3 doesn't like 'freetype' and 'vga' modules?
090411 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Denis wrote: I updated the xorg-server from 1.3.x to 1.5.3 my X wouldn't launch until I commented 'freetype' or 'vga' in xorg.conf - why is that? Basically, I am going the old keyboard and mouse route for now and I rebuilt my nvidia drivers, mouse drivers and keyboard drivers, but X still wouldn't launch because the loader complained that it can't find freetype and vga modules. Are these modules phased out of the new xorg-server or am I needing to rebuild something else still? They are not needed anymore. My 'xorg.conf' still has the Freetype line (not Vga) without problems. I'm now using 1.5.3 with Evdev. BTW the Nvidia driver is still being used (acc to 'lshal'), but its splash screen no longer appears: can anyone explain ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] lynx - cookies
090402 Joseph wrote: Can anybody provide configuration for Lynx to accept cookies. I only want to accept the cookies on case-by-case bases and store the default setting, same as Firefox behaviour. You should ask this on the lynx-dev mailing-list, where you are likely to get a very prompt reply from the maintainer. AFAIK as a long-standing Lynx user, you can do this only per session. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] What annoys you?
090403 Wyatt Epp wrote: what have people that are *not* myself and my mate noticed that is mildly irritating and disruptive to the Gentoo experience? Nothing at all serious: I remain very grateful to those who do the work. But, I submitted Bug 255463 back on 2009-01-19 there's been no reply. Fltk 2 is needed to try out Dillo 2 , which I'ld like to do. I don't like to complain when bug-fixers are volunteers, so haven't. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some seb sites
090326 Robin Atwood wrote: Recently http://freshmeat.net/ updated its look and now the fonts are very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. http://www.linuxjournal.com/ seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. I don't encounter a problem with Konqueror -- I didn't check Firefox, but it sb the same -- set to use New Century Schoolbook for all variable fonts Luxi Mono for all fixed-width fonts: that's a quick fix you might try. How can I find out what font is being used and mb substitute it with CSS? I leave that to others ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
090321 Mike Diehl wrote:
Ok now, I'm getting fed up with all of the breakage
that I've seen in Gentoo in the last few months.
I haven't experienced any such thing.
I'm trying to upgrade MythTV.
I don't use that, so can't help directly.
Emerge told me to upgrade my profile, which I did.
I have (for a 64-bit system with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor) :
make.profile - ..//usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/2008.0
Now I'm doing an emerge -u world.
I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world',
then decide which packages to update emerge them individually.
I also have a list of all the pkgs I have installed with dates + deps,
which I keep upto-date by hand as I emerge items.
I've never understood why 'emerge world' is considered standard:
repeatedly, there are appeals for help here resulting from its shortcomings
(was it copied from Free BSD when Gentoo was originally created ? ).
But before I could do that, I had to upgrade portage, with made sense.
When I go to emerge -u portage, I'm told:
sys-apps/mktemp (is blocking sys-apps/coreutils-7.1)
My hand-made list of pkgs tells me that I removed Mktemp 080419
that it had been required for Debianutils,
of which my current version is 2.28.5 installed 090314 .
Others had problems with this block, perhaps 1 year ago,
so if you really are that far behind in updating,
you should search the list archive to see what the advice was back then:
IIRC a new version of Debianutils incorporated the Mktemp stuff,
so they became incompatible.
So I do 'emerge -C mktemp' got a whole page of error messages.
The most basic msgs indicates the system can't load libselinux.so.1.
Do you have an item in 'make.conf' which requires that somewhere ?
Have you run Revdep-rebuild (pretend), to see what needs updating ?
'slocate' finds no similar file on my system.
All I want to do is upgrade a machine that I built a few months ago.
A few months can be a long time in the Gentoo world (smile).
For a desktop machine, you should do a full update = once/month :
I do it as a matter of routine every Saturday ('eix-sync' + follow-up).
As others have advised, Gentoo is not for people
who want to install forget: for that, try Mandriva, a respectable distro.
Anyway, I've offered a few hints above: try them ask again here.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
090322 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:57 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: Now I'm doing an emerge -u world. I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world', then decide which packages to update emerge them individually. I hope you use --oneshot every time or your world file will be a complete mess by now :( Yes, there's always someone who says that (grin). Of course, it's 2nd nature to check for 'W' or 'S' in my list if the pkg has neither, make sure to 'emerge -1 pkgname'. Anyway, isn't 'world' going to vanish with the new '@' sets ? I also have a list of all the pkgs I have installed with dates + deps, which I keep upto-date by hand as I emerge items. I've never understood why 'emerge world' is considered standard: repeatedly, there are appeals for help resulting from its shortcomings. One or two problems a week against the thousands of people running it each day does not indicate a problem. I'd say that avoiding blockers etc by selectively skipping upgrades is more likely to lead to problems later. No, people run 'emerge world' in the background, miss the messages then run into nasty trouble for omitting RR or 'etc-update'. That's the spirit of Ubuntu the rest, not the hands-on Gentoo approach. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror crash on Red Hat site
090320 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Trying to navigate this: http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/index.html crashes konqueror-4.2.1-r1. Can anyone confirm? Please click a few links in the table of contents. I did that with Konqueror 3.5.10 it's ok, so it's a KDE 4 bug. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Open Office: PDF import
090217 Sebastián Magrí wrote: On Tue, February 17, 2009 7:26 am, Philip Webb wrote: Has anyone succeeded in importing a PDF to Open Office Impress or Draw ? I've added the add-on from from under /usr/... (as it says), but when I try to 'insert file' using a 1-page PDF , it says 'File could not be opened' (after some CPU activity); OO Writer opens it as 98 pages of garbage. I tried rebooting re-opening OO, but not change. There's nothing in OO Help re the add-on or importing PDFs. I'm using OO 3.0.1 . I've been using it for a while without problems. I installed it on my user space using the extension manager. Sometimes it does not open the objects in a correct way, maybe have relation with the version of the pdf. For example, the pdfs generated in m$ project takes very much time to open with high CPU activity, it happens too when I open it on evince so I think it's a problem of m$, as usual. I created a PDF from a 1-page .odt file created with OO 3.0.0 had the same negative result. The file opens correctly in Kpdf. This is a 64-bit system: might that have something to do with it ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Open Office: PDF import
Has anyone succeeded in importing a PDF to Open Office Impress or Draw ? I've added the add-on from from under /usr/... (as it says), but when I try to 'insert file' using a 1-page PDF , it says 'File could not be opened' (after some CPU activity); OO Writer opens it as 98 pages of garbage. I tried rebooting re-opening OO, but not change. There's nothing in OO Help re the add-on or importing PDFs. I'm using OO 3.0.1 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?
090215 zhangwe...@realss.com wrote: Can I run firefox multi-process instead of multi-threads. I hate to see the browser hang trying to open a huge webpage ( 10 MB ) A work-around is to download the file with Wget or Lynx, then open the result with Firefox after it has all arrived. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Commenting out multiple lines in vim
090212 Stroller quoted: In vim, you can just select the rectangular region with Ctrl-v, then type I#ESC. This will insert # in each line at the same column. If you want to comment a series of lines m-n , it's quicker to do : :m,ns/^/#/ -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
090210 Roy Wright wrote: The ubuntus are targeted at disgruntled windows users while gentoo is targeted at unix users. The former are used to complaining and getting no response while the later know it's their responsibility to help make it better... In my commonplace book ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Instaling KDE 4.2, second attempt...
090203 Robin Atwood wrote: I have a completely current 3.5.10 system running, so I thought I would get a situation where I could choose which system to login to. I get my original KDM 3.5 login screen and no new options and when I login I do get my original desktop environment, albeit with corrupt konqueror tool bars. Any ideas how to enable KDM 4.2 and get the new desktop? The simple way is to boot into a raw console, then 'startx' with your choice of ~/.xinitrc . I would never use a GUI login, it's just another thing to trip you up. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-4.2 and KDE-3.5
090131 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dmitry Makovey wrote: I was tracking KDE-4.x for a while while sticking to stable KDE-3.5.,, Trying to get KDE-4.2 installed spits out a blocker: [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.10 (=kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.10 is blocking kde-base/kdelibs-4.2.0) which for me means switching to *2* testing platforms (3.5.10 and 4.2) Now my question is: how safe is it to do a workaround KDE 3.5.10 is *not* masked. It's in ~arch. It should be a safe/stable update since it's a bug-fix release I've been using 3.5.10 since 080924 without any problems: just update to that then try emerging 4.2.0 . My feeling remains that KDE 4 is more eye-candy than useful, but I do understand the KDE team's motivation for developing it no doubt it will supersede KDE 3 over the next year or so. My plan is to try out 4.2.1 when it's released gets into testing. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] weekend fun
http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/dn16497-international-wildbird-competition/2 -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] utf fonts not working right
090129 Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM, smallnow small...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.openmobilefree.net/index.php?entry=entry090125-211840 This page works fine on default fonts of other distros. For me, its got blocks for all the asian characters. I'm using deja-vu font in firefox, My default font is New Century Schoolbook. The utf-8 guide says to enable cjk use flag Not enabled here. In /etc/make.conf , I have USE=-* apm bitmap-fonts bonobo bzip2 cdr crypt cups dbus dri foomaticdb gcj gdbm gif gnutls gpm gtk gtk2 hal imagemagick imlib java javascript jpeg kde lcms libwww lm_sensors mime motif mpeg multilib ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin nvidia opengl pcre pdf perl plotutils png pop python qt3 readline scanner session slang ssl threads tiff tk truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb win32codecs X xml xorg xv zlib In /etc/locale.gen , I have en_US ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 what is your character encoding set to (View - Character Encoding) ? it comes up as GB2312 on mine and everything looks good to me. Same here. I'm using Firefox 3.0.5 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/config permissions
090120 Dirk Uys wrote: What are the permission supposed to be for the /usr/share/config directory? I have : root:501 root ls -l /usr/share ... drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 112 2008-10-11 15:33 config HTH -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: weird cron mail problem: basically solved
090106 Harry Putnam wrote: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 090106 Willie Wong wrote: you may want to change the root line to root=purslow, so the mail gets sent to purslow instead of postmaster (which according to /etc/mail/aliases becomes root again). That doesn't work, but adding ' /dev/null' or '-s' in crontab does. The latter seems simpler, so that's what I've done. It doesn't explain why the problem suddenly arose last Sunday after I made a simple editing change in .fetchmailrc nothing like this had happened before with the same crontabssmtp.conf : perhaps there's an obscure bug, but the irritating problem has been resolved I have other jobs today. I don't see the actual change made to fetchmailrc. The problem started after I commented the line 'set logfile /home/purslow/Mail/logfile'. You can introduce an unprintable CHAR into a *.rc file and not be able to see it. you might want to use vim to check each line. You can hit the el (l) lowercase on each line to expose most kinds of unprintable char: 1) : 2) l 3) enter Then the line appears in the command area with any unprintable chars, I tried that, but there's no sign of an unprintable character. Do you control this machine ? Yes, I built it no-one else ever gets near it. Nearly all of the problem seems clear now, so for the record: the basic problem arose because when I went over to downloading mail via a user cronjob for security, I didn't add '-s' to 'fetchmail'; as a result, Fetchmail was writing several lines to ~/Mail/logfile every 5 min with the obvious result that the file got very big; frustrated by this, I took a quick look the simple fix seemed to be to remove the line in ~/.fetchmailrc which defined it (see above); as soon as I did this (early Sun), msgs starting arriving in my spamtrap mysteriously originating at 'r...@myisp'; moreover, other lines continued to be added to logfile , which I realised came from Procmail, so I altered ~/.procmailrc to suppress those (successfully); to try to stop the mail msgs, I restored the original ~/.fetchmailrc , but that had no effect, at which point I sought help via this list. The correct procedure is to stop the msgs at source with 'fetchmail -s', so having done that, the real-life irritation has gone away. It's also clear how the rogue e-mails arose: when a cronjob ouputs msgs, they are handled by Cron itself (see 'man cron'), not eg by Fetchmail, so Cron sent them to 'root', which led all around the haystack. What remains unclear is why restoring the original ~/.fetchmailrc didn't cause the msgs to be sent again to ~/Mail/logfile , but that's not important enough to take more of my time. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: weird cron mail problem
090105 Harry Putnam wrote: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: The problem originated 090104 c0520 , when I edited ~/.fetchmailrc to delete the reference to a logfile. However, attempts to restore the STATVS QVO ANTE have failed: I've restored the previous version of .fetchmailrc without success I've remerged Fetchmail, rebooted then run fetchmailconf , but the crazy mails continue to appear every 5 min in my inbox. I think that looks like normal cron mail... Looks like you may have once had a redirect to `/dev/null' in the crontab line and inadvertently removed it. No, I have never touched the cron part of it since installing 0710xx . It looks to me as if Fetchmail reacts badly if you change anything by hand in ~/.fetchmailrc : I did exactly that without any problem when I changed ISPs 0809xx, but I also find it odd that Fetchmail is sending the mail to Uniserve, but not to my U Toronto e-ddress, which is also in .fetchmailrc . I have a few ideas of things to try today will try yours too (thanks). Any suggestions from others are very welcome. My fetchmail line in crontab: */15 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail -f /home/reader/.fetchmailrc /dev/null 21 Note the difference with yours: */5 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail Not redirect in yours but note that I dump any output to /dev/null You may first want to just say `cmd /dev/null' , so that any errors are still send to you but once its working smoothly you can add 21 like `cmd /dev/null 21', so that both stderr and stdout go to dev/null I think you can also do the same thing like this `cmd /dev/null -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] weird cron mail problem
090106 Willie Wong wrote: this suggests that either cron or your mailer is misconfigured. From the logs, you are running ssmtp. Check the config files for it to see why mail intended for r...@localhost is delivered to r...@ca.inter.net. /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf has the lines (the last refers to my ISP): ... # The person who gets all mail for userids 1000 # Make this empty to disable rewriting. root=postmaster ... # The full hostname hostname=ca.inter.net ... It looks as if this combination causes it to send to r...@ca.inter.net . I can't find a man file for ssmtp.conf , only for ssmtp , tho' the latter says the former should exist, so I can't check in any more detail just how the lines above work, eg what rewriting refers to or how the hostname is used. And check /etc/crontab to see whether the MAILTO field is set properly to where you want the mail to be delivered. MAILTO=root this is for system cron jobs, which are run by for root. Also, I don't know which implementation of cron you are using, but if your crontab is under userid, ... Yes, with mail that's necessary for security. ... then usually cron will demand notification e-mails sent to userid: Try 'ls -l /var/spool/cron/crontabs/' : is your user's crontab owned by root for some reason? No : root:550 crontabs ls -l -rw--- 1 purslow crontab 234 2007-11-04 23:46 purslow I have my fetchmail line as /usr/bin/fetchmail /dev/null so I only get e-mails when it writes to stderr (when there's an error). That looks like the quick fix. Writing fetchmail -s instead shouldn't be a problem. Why do you think it needs a script? I didn't know if cron will ignore stuff after the space otherwise, but obviously it does, if your line above works. I still think you MTA is misconfigured for local mail. Like you, I'ld like to understand the real cause of the problem: Gentoo is for people like us ... (smile) Rewriting .fetchmailrc using fetchmailconf thro'out didn't help, so that's one set of possibilities ruled out I will try the suggestions above (thanks) next. Your or others' further comments are very welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] weird cron mail problem
090106 Willie Wong wrote: you may want to change the root line to root=purslow, so the mail gets sent to purslow instead of postmaster (which according to /etc/mail/aliases becomes root again). That doesn't work, but adding ' /dev/null' or '-s' in crontab does. The latter seems simpler, so that's what I've done. It doesn't explain why the problem suddenly arose last Sunday after I made a simple editing change in .fetchmailrc nothing like this had happened before with the same crontabssmtp.conf : perhaps there's an obscure bug, but the irritating problem has been resolved I have other jobs today. Thanks for the helpful advice (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] weird cron mail problem
090105 Willie Wong wrote: What is Uniserve? Sorry, I assumed the context made it clear: Uniserve is my ISP. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] weird cron mail problem
Starting yesterday IIRC I've been getting one of the messages below every time my Fetchmail cron job polls my 2 ISPs for new mail. The content of the msg clearly comes from my own Fetchmail, as it refers to both ISPs, but the msg itself originates at Uniserve, as is shown by the list of routings in the full header (not shown). Perhaps Uniserve has changed its procedures with this result, but before I phone their tech folks, I'ld like to be sure that it's not caused by something in my own machine. I'm not aware of having changed anything to do with mail recently. Does anyone have any suggestions based on experience ? Is there any way to tell Procmail to dump the msgs in /dev/null ? I have read the various man pages several times checked Gentoo Forum, but there's no sign of anything relevant. -- start of message -- X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3 Envelope-to: purs...@ca.inter.net Delivery-date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:30:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:30:03 -0500 From: Cron Daemon r...@ca-inter-net.uniserve.ca To: purs...@ca-inter-net.uniserve.ca Subject: Cron purs...@localhost /usr/bin/fetchmail X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh X-Cron-Env: HOME=/home/purslow X-Cron-Env: PATH=/usr/bin:/bin X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=purslow X-Cron-Env: USER=purslow X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 2.2 22 (++) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (2.2 points) pts rule name description -- -- 0.9 TO_MALFORMED To: has a malformed address 1.3 ADDRESS_IN_SUBJECT To: address appears in Subject X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 2.2 22 (++) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on this mail system has identified this incoming email as possible spam. An analysis of the message is below. Content analysis details: (2.2 points) pts rule name description -- -- 0.9 TO_MALFORMED To: has a malformed address 1.3 ADDRESS_IN_SUBJECT To: address appears in Subject 3 messages (3 seen) for purslow at pop.chass.utoronto.ca (22378 octets). skipping message purs...@artemis.chass.utoronto.ca:1 not flushed skipping message purs...@artemis.chass.utoronto.ca:2 not flushed skipping message purs...@artemis.chass.utoronto.ca:3 not flushed 1 message for purslow at pop.ca.inter.net (2763 octets). reading message purs...@ca-inter-net.uniserve.ca:1 of 1 (2763 octets).. flushed -- end of message -- -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] weird cron mail problem
090105 Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 01:04:45PM -0500, Penguin Lover Philip Webb squawked: have you checked your outgoing mail logs to see if cron attempts to send mail when fetchmail is called? Thanks for the suggestion: the last few lines of /var/log/syslog are : Jan 5 17:10:01 localhost cron[4753]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons /usr/sbin/run-crons ) Jan 5 17:10:01 localhost cron[4754]: (purslow) CMD (/usr/bin/fetchmail) Jan 5 17:10:11 localhost sSMTP[4765]: Sent mail for r...@ca.inter.net (221 smtp-relay1.uniserve.ca closing connection) uid=1000 username=purslow outbytes=1049 Jan 5 17:15:01 localhost cron[4908]: (purslow) CMD (/usr/bin/fetchmail) Jan 5 17:15:09 localhost sSMTP[4909]: Sent mail for r...@ca.inter.net (221 smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca closing connection) uid=1000 username=purslow outbytes=952 Actually, what is your cron recipe anyway? /var/log/spool/cron/crontabs/userid is : # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/tmp/crontab.wsshN7 installed on Sun Nov 4 23:46:22 2007) # (Cron version V5.0 -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.12 2004/01/23 18:56:42 vixie Exp $) */5 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail I considered trying 'fetchmail -s', but I'm not sure how to add a flag in a cron file (perhaps by using a script). Also, have you updated either cron or fetchmail recently? The problem originated 090104 c0520 , when I edited ~/.fetchmailrc to delete the reference to a logfile. However, attempts to restore the STATVS QVO ANTE have failed: I've restored the previous version of .fetchmailrc without success I've remerged Fetchmail, rebooted then run fetchmailconf , but the crazy mails continue to appear every 5 min in my inbox. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
090102 Dale wrote: I got it installed and it did not crash. I could scroll all the way to the bottom. This seems to have fixed it. I guess I was right, it was a font problem. That was what Google came up with and they were old as the hills. Thanks for getting it fixed for me and the rest of us. Yes, Kpdf Xpdf now show p 10 correctly here too. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
090101 Dale wrote: Could it be a font that is missing or corrupt? It is strange that Kghostview works tho if it is a missing font. I don't have problems with fonts otherwise. The version of p 10 shown by KGV doesn't seem to have anything unusual, but perhaps one of the little graphics is causing a problem. Could it be qt or some other lib that has a issue? Not given that Kghostview renders it. I did search for kpdf crash on fgo but have not searched bgo. Should this be reported to KDE folks or Gentoo folks? One of us shd report it to the KDE bugzilla, but also their database sb searched first. One further idea is to see what happens if you try to open it with Open Office 3 , which claims to input PDF. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
090101 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote: It is pretty big so I'll post a link. http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. Can you confirm which page causes the crash? See the rest of the thread ! -- try page 10 ... Why are you downloading from a site like this when the first result from a Google search for motorola razr v3i user manual is to a PDF on motorola.com? That seems to render ok upto c page 32 . However, it doesn't alter the fact that there is a bug in Kpdf, which should never crash whatever file it's given: at least, there sb an appropriate error message with 'ok' to close cleanly. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
090101 Dale wrote: Philip Webb wrote: One further idea is to see what happens if you try to open it with Open Office 3 , which claims to input PDF. I have OOo3 here and it said it was a 13,000 page document and it was full of garbage at that. That didn't work or I did something wrong one. May be the later tho. You need to install the (beta) add-on, which should open it in Impress. However, when I try that -- even with a much shorter PDF file -- it just goes on on on using CPU till I kill OO. Has anyone managed to get PDF import to work with OO 3 on Gentoo ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
090101 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of breaking my system? If you tell the system to install a driver, ignore the prompt or even type y, why are users constantly surprised when the system does exactly what they told it to do? Except in this case, portage knew the action was risky but issued the warning after the event you really shouldn't have done that, like a typical smartarse. There are numerous examples of ebuilds that stop if an upgrade is risky, postfix is one such, and provide the user with the an option to carry on if they choose, usually be setting an environment variable. I really don't see the point in an ebuild making this sort of test and then continuing to install anyway. I agree. I ran into this on my back-up box which has an older card, but as I never do 'emerge world' without '-pv', I saw it in time aborted via '^c'. I've now made a prominent note in my pkg list for that machine not to try to upgrade the Nvidia driver. Portage knows that what is proposed is going to break the user's system, so it should refuse to do it. It's like Package A blocks package B, which causes the emerge to stop till the user acts more sensibly. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
090101 Peter Alfredsen wrote: [Please CC me on all replies] For me, this pdf crashed evince in cffparse.c:361, which is indicative of a bug in freetype (bug 247104) for which I just committed a fix. Please add to your package.keywords and test. +*freetype-2.3.7-r1 (01 Jan 2009) + + 01 Jan 2009; Peter Alfredsen loki_...@gentoo.org + +files/freetype-2.3.7-b.g.o-247104.patch, + +files/freetype-2.3.7-b.g.o-253029.patch, + +files/freetype-2.3.7-fix-incorrect-scaling.patch, + +files/freetype-2.3.7-no-segfault-on-load_mac_face.patch, + +freetype-2.3.7-r1.ebuild: + Fix bug 247104, segfault in cffparse.c:361, bug 253029, missing letters in + certain fonts, thanks to Andreas Turriff for the patch-pointer. Also + import patches for alien bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/487101, segfault + when building certain fonts and + http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?23973 , incorrect scaling of + certain fonts. + You beat me to it ! -- I've just submitted KDE bug 179280 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
081231 darren kirby wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I recently stole a Motorola Razr phone which didn't come with manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was attempting to read, when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 . http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx it crashed my kpdf and my xpdf. Oddly, KGhostView renders it fine. Something fishy... Same here on a generally stable Gentoo on which Kpdf Xpdf are reliable. IIRC i've seen rare cases of this before, when KGV saved the day. The problem here happens with certain pages in the file, eg p 10 ; some later pages, eg pp 11-12 , are ok. There must be something in a few pages which is not correct PDF format. Has anyone searched Gentoo Forum/Bugs or KDE bugs ? Anyway, it's clearly a bug in Kpdf, which sb reported. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager
081223 Mick wrote: I am running Fluxbox which is lighter than KDE and when I just want to poke around a GUI quickly I have found that Konqueror takes quite a few seconds to fire up. Gentoo (file manager) pops up in no time at all and uses less resources. FYI others', there's a very nice lightweight FM called 'vifm', which is in Portage uses Vim-style commands in a terminal; no FM cb faster it's highly configurable with many features. When I want to do heavy lifting, I use Krusader, which is very powerful. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager
081224 Mick wrote: On Tuesday 23 December 2008, Philip Webb wrote: FYI others', there's a very nice lightweight FM called 'vifm', which is in Portage uses Vim-style commands in a terminal; no FM cb faster it's highly configurable with many features. When I want to do heavy lifting, I use Krusader, which is very powerful. Can you set up which application will open a file when :view is run depending on the type of file? In ~/.vifm/vifmarc2.0 , I have # The file type is for the default programs to be used with # a file extension. # FILETYPE=description=extension1,extension2=defaultprogram, program2 # FILETYPE=Web=html,htm,shtml=links,mozilla,elvis # would set links as the default program for .html .htm .shtml files # The other pgms for the file type can be accessed with the :file command # The command macros %f, %F, %d, %F may be used in the commands. # The %a macro is ignored. To use a % you must put %%. FILETYPE=Web=html,htm=lynx,dillo FILETYPE=Object=o=nm %f | less FILETYPE=Image=jpg,jpeg,png,gif=feh FILETYPE=Archive=tar.gz,tgz=tar -tzf %f | less,tar -zxvf %f so it opens images with my favorite 'feh' (also worth looking into). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
