[gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
Hello all, I am currently updating my system and Portage wants to replace udev (204) with systemd (208). My question is (hopefully) simple: Can I use systemd as drop-in replacement for udev? In other words, can I pretend that systemd is udev and continue using OpenRC as with udev itself? I

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Róbert Čerňanský ope...@tightmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am currently updating my system and Portage wants to replace udev (204) with systemd (208). My question is (hopefully) simple: Can I use systemd as drop-in replacement for udev? In other words, can I

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:18:54 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Róbert Čerňanský ope...@tightmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am currently updating my system and Portage wants to replace udev (204) with systemd (208). My question is (hopefully)

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Róbert Čerňanský ope...@tightmail.com wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:18:54 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Róbert Čerňanský ope...@tightmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am currently updating my system and

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Fri, December 6, 2013 00:17, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Róbert Čerňanský ope...@tightmail.com wrote: I will try openrc-force as temporal solution until I'll find a new display manager and give heart breaking good by to GDM. You could *try* to run

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 06.12.2013 07:32, schrieb J. Roeleveld: On Fri, December 6, 2013 00:17, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Róbert Čerňanský ope...@tightmail.com wrote: I will try openrc-force as temporal solution until I'll find a new display manager and give heart breaking

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-05 Thread Michael Hampicke
Just remove init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd from your kernel command line, and you can boot your old openrc installation (if you did un unmerge it) That should mean: ..if you did not unmerge it. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-22 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/21/2013 03:33 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 13:18, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 21/10/13 05:34, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:03:51PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but from top of my head: We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts the offending code. As in, that's nothing to

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 21/10/13 08:31, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/20/2013 09:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:03:51PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but from top of my head: We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-10-20 9:14 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he just merges commits from his trusted lieutenants in charge of various subsystems. The notion of Linus as being at the helm is mostly just a convenient fiction

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-20 9:14 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he just merges commits from his trusted lieutenants in charge of various

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-10-21 6:11 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt he actually has the time to read every line of code submitted to the kernel, That isn't what I meant at all... What he *does* have the power to do, though, is if someone was able to sneak in something outrageously bad

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-21 6:11 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt he actually has the time to read every line of code submitted to the kernel, That isn't what I meant at all... What he *does* have the

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-10-21 6:48 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Again. This power is overstated and overtrusted. As for rip it out at its roots he has no ability to do that, only refuse to merge it in his tree. Which I believe is a much bigger deal than you seem to think. But that's only

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Oct 21, 2013 7:01 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-21 6:48 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Again. This power is overstated and overtrusted. As for rip it out at its roots he has no ability to do that, only refuse to merge it in his tree. Which I

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-10-21 7:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Read the management style doc. Seriously, it describes the kernel's outlook on mistakes. My main point wasn't about 'mistakes' and you know it, so please stop being so obtuse. Ostracization and talk of severing limbs like

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 20.10.2013 13:18, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 21.10.2013 11:55, schrieb Tanstaafl: On 2013-10-20 9:14 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he just merges commits from his trusted lieutenants in charge of various subsystems. The notion of Linus as being at

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right...

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/20/2013 02:37 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty much 20 years too late. Investing money does not make them any more qualified or deserving of making

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 20/10/13 12:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/20/2013 02:37 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/20/2013 04:55 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 12:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/20/2013 02:37 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty much 20 years too late. Investing money does not make

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty much 20

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux kernel, userland,

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 20/10/13 13:47, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/20/2013 04:55 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 12:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/20/2013 02:37 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-10-20 9:02 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 20/10/13 13:47, Daniel Campbell wrote: Like I mentioned in a prior e-mail, the change didn't affect me when it was pushed, and doesn't affect me now. I did recently have to reinstall Gentoo, however (note, going from testing

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 20/10/13 17:01, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-10-20 9:02 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 20/10/13 13:47, Daniel Campbell wrote: Like I mentioned in a prior e-mail, the change didn't affect me when it was pushed, and doesn't affect me now. I did recently have to reinstall

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 20/10/13 17:01, Tanstaafl wrote: It's true that sys-fs/eudev restored the *broken* rule_generator from old sys-fs/udev, you can get it by USE=rule-generator. But it's lot saner to keep using sys-fs/udev and just write custom rules to rename interfaces based on MACs to like lan*, internet*

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-10-20 6:52 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to *make*? You don't hire people without a business plan in mind. Well, once I understood

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Oct 20, 2013 10:44 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-20 6:52 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to *make*? You don't

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:03:51PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but from top of my head: We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts the offending code. As in, that's nothing to be worried about before it happens.

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/20/2013 09:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:03:51PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but from top of my head: We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts the offending code. As in, that's nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-19 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right... but since nobody is doing cgroup management besides systemd, in practice the cgroups

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-19 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right... but since nobody is doing cgroup management besides

[gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right... but since nobody is doing cgroup management besides systemd, in practice the cgroups implementation in Linux wasn't very consistent. So since systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-05 Thread Carlos Sura
Hi, I do have -consolekit systemd policykit and yes, my kernel is properly configured. To avoid playing around I did reinstalled it again! and guess what? After installing gnome-tweak-tools and shell-extensions and use the tweak tools to do some changes, after reboot, again: blank screen trying

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-05 Thread Carlos Sura
Update: I was desperate trying to rebuild everything or reinstalling or whatever idea I had. So, my logic said: if root works why others users wont?, then I decided to create another user, and guess what? it worked. So I removed my user and then created a new one and it worked. Yeah this is

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-05 Thread Michael Higgins
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:08:38 -0600 Carlos Sura carlos.su...@googlemail.com wrote: Update: I was desperate trying to rebuild everything or reinstalling or whatever idea I had. So, my logic said: if root works why others users wont?, then I decided to create another user, and guess what? it

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-05 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Carlos Sura carlos.su...@googlemail.com wrote: Update: I was desperate trying to rebuild everything or reinstalling or whatever idea I had. So, my logic said: if root works why others users wont?, then I decided to create another user, and guess what? it

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-02 Thread Carlos Sura
This did not worked out: USE=suid emerge -pv --update --changed-use world it did not showed anything to emerge. On 1 October 2013 02:29, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 12:30:51AM -0600, Carlos Sura wrote Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this

[gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Carlos Sura
Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to gnome as a normal user, I can only log in to gnome as root. What I have done before this started: emerge -uDvaN world

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-10-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 01/10/2013 00:14, pk wrote: On 2013-09-30 08:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: That is over-simplifying the problem and trivializing it. No-one ever said the *everythign* in /usr is criticial for boot. Is it really over-simplyfying it? How am I supposed to know whatever comes next? Someone

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Jochen Kirchner
Am 01.10.2013 08:30, schrieb Carlos Sura: Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to gnome as a normal user, I can only log in to gnome as root. What I have done

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Carlos Sura
Hello Jochen, Thank you for your help. Here is the Xorg log: http://tny.cz/69b4662a Regarding the gdm session.log I don't have it. Here is the /var/log/gdm/:0.log : http://tny.cz/35e886e2 Here is my emerge --info: http://tny.cz/10262247 On 1 October 2013 00:52, Jochen Kirchner

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Carlos Sura
In another note: I've just installed enlightenment and it works fine. Gnome works fine ONLY as root, but not as normal user. On 1 October 2013 01:06, Carlos Sura carlos.su...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Jochen, Thank you for your help. Here is the Xorg log: http://tny.cz/69b4662a

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Jochen Kirchner
Am 01.10.2013 09:07, schrieb Carlos Sura: In another note: I've just installed enlightenment and it works fine. Gnome works fine ONLY as root, but not as normal user. On 1 October 2013 01:06, Carlos Sura carlos.su...@googlemail.com mailto:carlos.su...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 12:30:51AM -0600, Carlos Sura wrote Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to gnome as a normal user, I can only log in to gnome as root.

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Shawn Wilson
rm ~/.Xauthority Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 12:30:51AM -0600, Carlos Sura wrote Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to

Re: [gentoo-user] SystemD + Gnome 3.8 I can log in as root but not as normal user

2013-10-01 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Carlos Sura carlos.su...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Mates, I finally thought that I got this working, so now I am dealing this issue: I choose the latest kernel with systemd and GDM starts good, but I cannot log in to gnome as a normal user, I can only log in

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-10-01 Thread pk
On 2013-10-01 08:16, Alan McKinnon wrote: There are many examples in /usr you could have used to illustrate your point, such as many fuse modules. And yet you chose an imaginary space invader game. Let's rather stick within the bounds of what is feasible, OK? What can I say, I like to

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread pk
On 2013-09-30 04:05, Mark David Dumlao wrote: It's true that it's nice to have a semblance of order where different parts go. But all libraries and binaries in /usr is also a semblance of order. You don't separate stuff for the sake of separating stuff. You separate them because you have

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/09/2013 08:24, pk wrote: So what you're saying is that everything in /usr is system-critical? I have gimp installed in /usr... I don't see a need to start gimp at boot time. Maybe we should classify frozen-bubble as system-critical as well (it's also in /usr)? Seriously, boot-critical

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:42:37 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: What was /usr's original purpose? /usr was originally the home directory. Programs were moved there because Unix didn't fit into a single disk. http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html Thanks for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-09-30 04:05, Mark David Dumlao wrote: are the same. Distro packagers, however, have to decide for 100% of the cases. So they're going to end up making weird decisions that are easy for you to second-guess but are actually

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread pk
On 2013-09-30 08:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: That is over-simplifying the problem and trivializing it. No-one ever said the *everythign* in /usr is criticial for boot. Is it really over-simplyfying it? How am I supposed to know whatever comes next? Someone (upstream) *may* find it boot-critical

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:14:55 +0200, pk wrote: Your second paragraph reveals that you beleive you already know everything you need to have to boot your system. Now do the same for every possible Gentoo user out there and have it work 100% of the time in ALL valid cases. I *do* know

[gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread William Hubbs
All, I can clarify one part of the systemd issue, because I have been involved in this part of the issue for months. Again, I am not trying to start a dispute here, just providing a clarification. The choice to install all of the systemd binaries in /usr is not an upstream choice. It was a

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/29/2013 02:52 PM, William Hubbs wrote: All, I can clarify one part of the systemd issue, because I have been involved in this part of the issue for months. Again, I am not trying to start a dispute here, just providing a clarification.

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr instead of /bin or /sbin. They've created a mess for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 09/29/2013 08:17 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr instead of /bin or /sbin. They've created a mess for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 09/29/2013 08:40 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that anything mounting a filesystem and making it available is system-critical. I run samba and don't need it for boot, but like you said, someone may need that. I wouldn't see a

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 09/29/2013 08:51 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that anything mounting a filesystem and making it available is system-critical. I run samba and don't need it for boot, but like you

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Anyway, I'm not in favor of FHS _per se_, but it sounds pretty reasonable to have some semblance of order among where different parts of a system go. Shoving everything into /usr and symlinking everything else seems like

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 09/29/2013 09:05 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Anyway, I'm not in favor of FHS _per se_, but it sounds pretty reasonable to have some semblance of order among where different parts of a system go. Shoving everything

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 09/29/2013 08:51 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that anything mounting a filesystem and making it available

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 09/29/2013 09:25 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 09/29/2013 08:51 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 09/29/2013 09:05 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Anyway, I'm not in favor of FHS _per se_, but it sounds pretty reasonable to have some semblance

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 30, 2013 9:31 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: --- le snip --- If the proposed solution is all binaries and libraries in the same root/prefix directory, then why call it /usr? My question exactly. Why install to /usr at all, leaving /bin and /sbin a practically empty

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Sep 30, 2013 9:31 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: --- le snip --- If the proposed solution is all binaries and libraries in the same root/prefix directory, then why call it /usr? My question exactly.

LVM2+mdraid+systemd (was Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm)

2013-09-20 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 12.09.2013 20:23, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Stefan, what initramfs are you using? dracut, run via your kerninst-script. Could you please explain how is exactly your layout? From drives to partitions to PVs,

Re: LVM2+mdraid+systemd (was Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm)

2013-09-20 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 20.09.2013 10:46, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Sorry I took my time, I was busy. Well, yours' a complex setup. This is a similar, although simpler, version: At first: thank your for the extended test setup you did and described ... I will dig through it as soon as I find time ... I am

Re: LVM2+mdraid+systemd (was Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm)

2013-09-20 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
I haven't yet worked through all your suggestions/descriptions. Edited USE-flags and dracut-modules, worked around bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485202 and rebuilt kernel and initrd. Didn't activate LVs ... Now I edited fstab: I had the option systemd.automount enabled, like

Re: LVM2+mdraid+systemd (was Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm)

2013-09-20 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: I haven't yet worked through all your suggestions/descriptions. Edited USE-flags and dracut-modules, worked around bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485202 and rebuilt kernel and initrd. Didn't

Re: LVM2+mdraid+systemd (was Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm)

2013-09-20 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 20.09.2013 18:50, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: OK. I send this message now and test another few reboots. Forgot to mention it: I also enabled mdadm.service. That service is enabled here as well and running fine. # systemctl status lvm2-activation-net.service lvm2-activation-net.service

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 12.09.2013 20:23, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Stefan, what initramfs are you using? dracut, run via your kerninst-script. Could you please explain how is exactly your layout? From drives to partitions to PVs, VGs and LVs? And throw in there also the LUKS and RAID (if used) setup. I will

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
new info here (for me): https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480066#c19 gotta test ... right now I don't have the time. S

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 13.09.2013 14:54, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: new info here (for me): https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480066#c19 gotta test ... right now I don't have the time. first tests with genkernel --udev ... : negative. More details maybe later this evening.

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 13.09.2013 15:33, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 13.09.2013 14:54, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: new info here (for me): https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480066#c19 gotta test ... right now I don't have the time. first tests with genkernel --udev ... : negative. More

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 13.09.2013 19:36, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: /usr/sbin/lvm which does not exist. I linked it from /sbin/lvm and this seems to help ... I still don't know exactly where this comes from ... still digging. I also removed lvm2 completely ... checked for lvm-related unit-files and

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 11 Sep 2013 12:38:23 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 11.09.2013 13:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value Also found this:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 12.09.2013 08:50, schrieb Mick: On Wednesday 11 Sep 2013 12:38:23 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 11.09.2013 13:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value Also found this:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Mick
On Thursday 12 Sep 2013 09:37:32 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 12.09.2013 08:50, schrieb Mick: On Wednesday 11 Sep 2013 12:38:23 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 11.09.2013 13:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 12.09.2013 14:43, schrieb Mick: I don't have that binary. And some page on my way said the contrary: set it to empty and let udev (?) do that. Ha! Neither do I! # ls -la /sbin/hotplug ls: cannot access /sbin/hotplug: No such file or directory I can honestly say that I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sep 12, 2013 8:04 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 12.09.2013 14:43, schrieb Mick: I don't have that binary. And some page on my way said the contrary: set it to empty and let udev (?) do that. Ha! Neither do I! # ls -la /sbin/hotplug ls: cannot access

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Sep 12 2013, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 12.09.2013 08:50, schrieb Mick: On Wednesday 11 Sep 2013 12:38:23 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 11.09.2013 13:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value Also

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel symbol HOTPLUG

2013-09-12 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Sep 12 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: The premerge check for systemd complains that CONFIG_HOTPLUG is not set. grep .config does not show CONFIG_HOTPLUG make menuconfig when asked to search for HOTPLUG shows that is has the value HOTPLUG (?). It also asserts that HOTPLUG is selected

[gentoo-user] systemd and kernel symbol HOTPLUG

2013-09-12 Thread gottlieb
The premerge check for systemd complains that CONFIG_HOTPLUG is not set. grep .config does not show CONFIG_HOTPLUG make menuconfig when asked to search for HOTPLUG shows that is has the value HOTPLUG (?). It also asserts that HOTPLUG is selected by a Boolean combination of flags all of which are

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:10 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Sep 12 2013, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 12.09.2013 08:50, schrieb Mick: On Wednesday 11 Sep 2013 12:38:23 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 11.09.2013 13:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Failed to set a proper state for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 12.09.2013 18:22, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Really, whomever is recommending to set CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH is probably wrong. I can't find *one* place where it is recommended, and several where they explicitly say to leave the option in blank. So ... I agree with this. What to do

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 12.09.2013 18:22, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Really, whomever is recommending to set CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH is probably wrong. I can't find *one* place where it is recommended, and several where they

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-12 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Sep 12 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Really, whomever is recommending to set CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH is probably wrong. I can't find *one* place where it is recommended, and several where they explicitly say to leave the option in blank. OK. The wiki will continue to say it

[gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
systemd-204 lvm2-2.0.2.99-r2 (lvm2 patched as mentioned in https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480066 this should only matter for activation) - See what happens here: # lvcreate -n mlp-tmpl -L 11G VG02 /dev/VG02/mlp-tmpl: not found: device not cleared Aborting. Failed to wipe start

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and lvm

2013-09-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 11.09.2013 13:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value Also found this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-965446-view-previous.html?sid=5c1f845f96ca4cf1a9c17d73501e232d I have # zgrep UEV /proc/config.gz

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and LUKS

2013-09-04 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.09.2013 23:31, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: This link gave me the deciding hint -- I didn't have cryptsetup-generator in my system, because I didn’t have the cryptsetup useflags enabled. I rebuilt systemd and udisks and now I’m prompted for the LUKS password during boot. \o/

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