Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-05-19 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:58:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Sorry for necro-posting, but I wanted to “add my mustard”, as we say over here. Why on earth is udev launching daemons in EARLY BOOT? Your guess is as good as mine! […] Perhaps the ability to hear the computer go bing

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-04-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:43:16 -0400 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is. allan I really did want to look at this thoroughly for you, but I've been flat on my back with some illness or other for a few days. Do you still need my

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-04-03 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Tue, Apr 03 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:43:16 -0400 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is. allan I really did want to look at this thoroughly for you, but I've been flat on my back with some illness or

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-30 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:26:43 +0800, wdk@moriah wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On 29/03/2012, at 20:01, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] At present, the first thing I see when udev starts is a failed attempt to run /usr/sbin/alsactl to restore

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] With the pending

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Allan Gottlieb
I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is. allan ajglap gottlieb # fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a platform, is *dying*. It's not dying, it's evolving - with the associated growing pains. Of course, that's not

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is that many of the daemons

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote: snipped Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue! I wonder how many threads we'll get with I haven't updated my Gentoo for over a year, how do I best do the upgrade? from

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Doug Hunley
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] With the pending changes

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a platform, is *dying*. It's not

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things in different boxes based on their function is good practice. Doing it based on some arbitrary size

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things in different boxes based

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:08:40 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that.  The reason is that many of the daemons that can

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 01:20, Neil Bothwick wrote: I'm in favour of /bin and /lib, and I see the pros and cons of /sbin and am not too bothered about how that is done. But having two (or more) of each of these is an artificial mess that is a solution to a problem that As I said, it's a matter of

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote: snipped Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue! I wonder how many threads we'll get with I haven't updated my Gentoo for over a year, how do I

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:31 +0200, pk wrote: But this is quite pointless (my whining) since, as someone else mentioned, code talks Perhaps some day I can find the time to hack my own solution (which of course will be perfection ;-) ). I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect,

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 20:06, Neil Bothwick wrote: I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect, it will be better than mine :) I'll be sure to let you know if I find perfection... Perhaps an AI system that takes care of it self and serves me drinks (with or without an umbrella) while I lay on

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:49 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] The Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: Reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest - she was the bimbo who announced to the room whenever the computer went bing :-D An underrated movie which contains a lot of geek and Star Trek/SciFi in general parody... Thumbs up! :-D Best

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread wdk@moriah
On 29/03/2012, at 20:01, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] The Gentoo developers have

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a plain cpio archive, and post it here. I did post it a week or so ago in another thread. The init

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a plain cpio archive, and post

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what they wanted and planned. According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red Hat. It's

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will shuffle things around just like in that 15 pieces game. This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so space is not an issue. Assuming / is the first (or second) partition on

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alex Schuster
Allan Gottlieb writes: On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: Move partitions after / on the disk out of the way creating enough free space to contain current / and /usr. Question. /dev/sda7 is LVM and that is used for /usr, /local, et al. How do I move an LVM partition? I could

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Mike Edenfield
From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what they wanted and planned. According to Greg K-H,

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Simon
Then copy /usr over: mount -o bind / /mnt mount -o remount,ro /usr cp -a /usr/* /mnt/ The bind moun t makes the root FS appear in a 2nd place, without /usr being populated by the content of your /usr partition. Don't forget to remove /usr from /etc/fstab. I can

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:20:25 -0400 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will shuffle things around just like in that 15 pieces game. This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:51:23 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a plain cpio archive, and

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no longer

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread pk
On 2012-03-28 20:29, Mike Edenfield wrote: I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the true UNIX way that Linux is following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :) Yep, next up is transitioning to a more modern handling

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var -- and anything else -- before

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:58:23 +0200, pk wrote: organisation and I happen to be on the side which thinks the FHS rationalisation for /bin, /sbin, /lib is a neat one. Others thinks the neatest solution is to put everything into one directory (whatever that may be) and that's fine too, if there

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: So throw out my plans and just do it their way?  In that case, I may as well use Fedora since it sort of started there.  

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: What you describe sounds ok, but I'd still hesitate to give a definite answer without a little more data. If you send over the output of df -h du -shx for each partition you have fdisk -l pvdisplay vgdisplay lvdisplay I'll be happy to go

[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr which didn't work for me. So, I've modified it, see

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if the you can just use $x tools work on stable. I've got three previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting right now because of this udev+/usr nonsense. I

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are. I've been working on updating the wiki with more detailed instructions; for your

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread covici
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if the you can just use $x tools work on stable. I've got three previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are. I've been working on updating the wiki with more detailed

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:20:44 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: With the latest genkernel, my initrd mounts /usr, however the fsck is never done because its mounted -- any solution for this? ISTR this coming up recently and the solution being to run fsck from the shutdown runlevel. -- Neil

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Hampicke
Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities of current and future systems). But now I have to find time to learn how to use

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities of

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Michael Hampicke wrote: Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities of current and future systems). But now I have to find time to

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Hampicke wrote: SNIP I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do this with genkernel. I've been doing it for years. SNIP I

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Mike Edenfield wrote: I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me on all of the systems I'm tried

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Mike Edenfield wrote: I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me on all of the

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy bothers you, Kubuntu will be living

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Sebastian Beßler wrote: On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:09:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: copy old config make oldconfig make all make modules_install copy kernel to /boot make all modules_install install does everything the last two lines do in a single command. That to me seems a LOT easier and it also works very

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:30:41 -0500, Dale wrote: The other way around. When I boot using the init thingy, if I login as a user, dale in this case, I can not su to root. I think the error was something like authentication failed or something to that effect. I can reboot the exact same

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian Beßler wrote: On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Hampicke wrote: SNIP I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do this with genkernel. I've been doing it

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP  Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro SNIP Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you don't know... I don't understand why any of this /usr /udev

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian Beßler wrote: On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of the Ubuntu family anymore. That means

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I like, even love, Gentoo.  Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it.  If I wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. Hey, it does

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a config file that lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build automatically pulls everything in for me. The only other thing I need is the init script. So I get

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other post. Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working or just move everything to / and

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap.

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro SNIP Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you don't know... I don't understand

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other post. Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working or just

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no idea how to fix it.  None at all. I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd? There's no requirement to use it today, at least on

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro SNIP Just remember, with distros it's

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no idea how to fix it. None at all. I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd? There's no requirement to

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, my plan is to mask

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no idea how to fix it.  None at all. I understand. My question

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote: That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall and not format /home. That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need to reinstall just roll back to the

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote: That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall and not format /home. That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need to

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Right now, my

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no longer a problem. Sorted. And /var ?? But what about using LVM? People was all for me using

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no longer a problem. Sorted. And /var ?? But what about using LVM

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 18:18 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like I love genkernel, it just makes life so much easier, you don't have enter every command manually. And still keeps it the gentoo-way: you can configure

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread du yang
On Tuesday 03/27/12 21:19:00 CST, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found