On 12/8/09, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me emphasise yet again: the way I do things has been successful
on 2 machines for more than 6 years; it's others who have problems
doing it their way regularly seek advice on this list as a result.
Let me correct you there:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:53:41 +0900, daid kahl wrote:
On that note, I'd like to ask a question I was going to post or email
about. Can I comment the world file. More interestingly, is there a
way to pass portage a comment to stick in world above the package?
This would be really damn useful.
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:15:29 -0600, Dale wrote:
Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become
very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every
case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
shouldn't be used either otherwise a
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
where they are marked with 'W' system pkgs with 'S'.
Yes, I do have to keep it upto-date as I do emerges.
One of the major deficiencies of Gentoo is
that it doesn't
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:15:29 -0600, Dale wrote:
Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become
very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every
case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
shouldn't be used
091207 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
where they are marked with 'W' system pkgs with 'S'.
Yes, I do have to keep it upto-date as I do emerges.
One of the major deficiencies of
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 00:46:18 Philip Webb wrote:
091207 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
where they are marked with 'W' system pkgs with 'S'.
Yes, I do have to keep it
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 00:46:18 Philip Webb wrote:
091207 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
where they are marked with 'W' system pkgs with
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:46:18 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
One of the major deficiencies of Gentoo is
that it doesn't provide such a file automatically.
emerge -p @system
emerge -p @world
root:501 ~ emerge -p @system
!!! '@system' is not a valid package atom.
!!! Please
daid kahl wrote:
I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do,
but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list
would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'.
My 'world' file contains 112 entries, incl 28 'sys' + 35 'kde'.
Really, does
On Saturday 05 December 2009 16:26:48 I wrote:
* The current test system had a series of KDE-4 problems, which I thought
must have been caused by the patch bug, but simply remerging everything
installed since then hadn't fixed them.
Not only has it not fixed the earlier problems - now I have
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Peter Humphrey wrote:
On 5/12/2009, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing.
If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it.
I've been using a separate partition on an
091206 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote:
Please read what I said hopefully think briefly before responding.
If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge pkg';
if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 pkg'.
That keeps everything in
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which
have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is
recommended, then
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which
have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in
case of problems only takes seconds.
Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very easily.
--
Neil Bothwick
Old hitchhikers never die-they
2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
(1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
(2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
I kindly disagree.
~[arch] is testing for Gentoo ebuild. It's considered stable upstream.
This was an upstream bug, not a Gentoo bug.
Yes,
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in
case of problems only takes seconds.
Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very easily.
On 5/12/2009, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing.
If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it.
I've been using a separate partition on an existing machine to run a
~amd64 system for evaluation, and
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote:
Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very
familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case.
If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
shouldn't be used either otherwise a
091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which
have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs
which have changed,
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote:
Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very
familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case.
If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
shouldn't be used
091205 Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
He's updating, so packages that need to be in world are already there.
If he is using the command he typed in, his world file is going to be huge.
He is doing the updates individually without a -u or a -1 or anything else.
That means every time he
I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do,
but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list
would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'.
My 'world' file contains 112 entries, incl 28 'sys' + 35 'kde'.
Really, does something like that
On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote:
Please read what I said hopefully think briefly before responding.
If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge pkg';
if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 pkg'.
That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch
On Saturday 05 December 2009 22:14:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
And world is important. world is the difference between 'installed
manually' and 'just a dependency'. What you are doing fucks this up.
Result: portage can not figure which package was installed because you
want it and which
2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
(1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
(2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
I kindly disagree. ~[arch] is testing for Gentoo ebuild. It's
considered stable upstream.
This was an upstream bug, not a Gentoo bug.
And,
091205 daid kahl wrote:
2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
(1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
(2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
I kindly disagree.
Thanks for the kindly: I thought I'd walked into a high-school locker room.
~[arch] is testing for
Philip Webb wrote:
The defective version of 'patch' had got into 'testing',
where the only remaining problems are supposed to be in the ebuild;
in fact in this case, there was still a serious problem upstream
that version of 'patch' has been re-masked (I believe).
Anyway, don't do testing on
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/12/01/gentoo-service-announcement-keep-clear-
of-gnu-patch-2-6
sigh
I emerged patch-2.60
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:45:21 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Yep, this bug was a major annoyance for me too. I emerged patch-2.6 on
November 15 and since then, being on ~amd64, a *lot* of other packages.
After downgrading, I needed to rebuild about 300 packages, including
all of KDE4,
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
091202 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/12/01/gentoo-service-announcement-keep-clear-of-gnu-patch-2-6
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 16:48:16 Philip Webb wrote:
091202 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:30:37 +0200, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Of course I ran emerge -p. Well actually I run emerge -a but the effect
is
the
same - see what's going to be installed before it's installed. Until a
week
ago no-one knew the effects patch-2.6.0 would have so
On Mittwoch 02 Dezember 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:45:21 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Yep, this bug was a major annoyance for me too. I emerged patch-2.6 on
November 15 and since then, being on ~amd64, a *lot* of other packages.
After downgrading, I needed to
On 12/02/2009 04:48 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
091202 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:48:16 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
(1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
Then how do they get tested?
(2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
What difference does this make? It shows an update for
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:48:16AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
(1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
(2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
(0) Never speak on that which you know not.
--
... _._. ._ ._. .
Alan McKinnon schrieb:
Most folk now have to rebuild 70 - 300 packages, I'm stuck with
potentially 1472 sigh
I feel with you ... fortunately the cpus should do it on their own,
accompanied by some fans ;-)
-
Any idea how to elegantly split that job into some digestible chunks?
The various
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 19:59:35 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
Alan McKinnon schrieb:
Most folk now have to rebuild 70 - 300 packages, I'm stuck with
potentially 1472 sigh
I feel with you ... fortunately the cpus should do it on their own,
accompanied by some fans ;-)
-
Any idea
Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb:
Seems as if I have to simply manage that to-rebuild-list myself ..
my rebuild-list crashed at kde-misc/kdnssd-avahi, interesting on a
gnome-system ...
k3b depends on kdelibs and I have useflag avahi for that, hmmm ...
I removed it from my list and emerge the
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