Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 15/12/17 01:16, Marc Joliet wrote: > [ Just to be clear: autofs is a Linux kernel feature, systemd just exposes it > in an easy to use way. That is, BTW, a theme with systemd. ] Likewise, cgroups. I believe Lennart is regularly "blamed" for this, but it's been in the kernel a looonngg time,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:38:01 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > If you "rc-update del" a service, you wouldn't > > prevent it from being started neither, just because OpenRC is still > > able to pull it in as a dependency. > > True, except with OpenRC, all the config is located together. Not >

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Am Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:38:01 +0100 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > On Friday, December 15, 2017 4:05:41 AM CET Kai Krakow wrote: >> Am Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:54:59 +0100 schrieb J. Roeleveld: >> >> Some historical correctnesses about Canek: >> >> >> >> - He has been here for years - He has contributed here

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Friday, December 15, 2017 2:25:29 AM CET Marc Joliet wrote: > Am Freitag, 15. Dezember 2017, 02:12:08 CET schrieb R0b0t1: > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Peter Humphrey > > wrote: > > > On Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:03:19 GMT Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > >> I'll try

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Friday, December 15, 2017 4:05:41 AM CET Kai Krakow wrote: > Am Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:54:59 +0100 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > >> Some historical correctnesses about Canek: > >> > >> - He has been here for years - He has contributed here for years - He > >> supports systemd and has offered more help

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Am Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:54:59 +0100 schrieb J. Roeleveld: >> Some historical correctnesses about Canek: >> >> - He has been here for years - He has contributed here for years - He >> supports systemd and has offered more help and explanation about >> systemd to it's users on this list than any

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Am Freitag, 15. Dezember 2017, 02:12:08 CET schrieb R0b0t1: > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:03:19 GMT Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >> I'll try not to feed this monster thread any longer, I promise. > > > > Ah, but

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Am Donnerstag, 14. Dezember 2017, 16:52:59 CET schrieb Ian Zimmerman: > On 2017-12-14 11:57, Marc Joliet wrote: > > I could list specific features of systemd that I like and make use of > > (such as socket activation, autofs integration, user units, nspawn, or > > the journal), but thinking about

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:03:19 GMT Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >> I'll try not to feed this monster thread any longer, I promise. > > Ah, but will you succeed?:) > List, in my weakness, I felt compelled to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:03:19 GMT Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I'll try not to feed this monster thread any longer, I promise. Ah, but will you succeed?:) -- Regards, Peter.

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-13 10:06, Alan McKinnon wrote: > A good healthy dose of manners like your Mama taught you is in short > supply around here right now. The worst insults are stated without any foul language. Indeed, I'll say that in general "insulting" is an attribute of ideas, not of words. Some of

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-14 11:57, Marc Joliet wrote: > I could list specific features of systemd that I like and make use of > (such as socket activation, autofs integration, user units, nspawn, or > the journal), but thinking about it, it's a "more than the sum of its > parts" kind of deal. Managing a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2017, 20:37:47 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie: > > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > > > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:06:29 AM CET Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 13/12/2017 01:23, allan gottlieb wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11 2017, Jorge Almeida wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >>> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-13 20:37, Alan Mackenzie wrote: What have I done to deserve this abusive style of repartee? I have never You did post your opinion which doesn't fit with others. I use Gentoo, partly because here I have a deal of choice. Isn't it better to say you have partly a choice? ;-) --

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-13 12:52, Walter Dnes wrote: > My big hate is the ever-growing dependancy list of gtk. Which is one of the big reasons why I masked gtk3. Sadly I don't know how much longer I can keep that, as at least one favorite program of mine now requires it. -- Please don't Cc: me privately

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 13/12/17 15:17, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:01:38 +, Wols Lists wrote: > >>> Can't you change this with fstab settings. I see a similar behaviour >>> when trying t mount NFS shares that aren't there, but it gives up >>> trying after 90s and gets on with booting the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Hello, Marc. On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:34:03 +0100, Marc Joliet wrote: > Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017, 11:13:30 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie: > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:55:45 +, Wols Lists wrote: [ ] > > > Granted he's not necessarily the most politic of people, and has ruffled >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:34:27AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote > I have three gnome packages installed on this KDE box. One is the > tiny package that started this thread, and is GNOME only in name, > the other two are dependencies of XFCE, which I also have installed. > > I see no GNOME

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:01:38 +, Wols Lists wrote: > > Can't you change this with fstab settings. I see a similar behaviour > > when trying t mount NFS shares that aren't there, but it gives up > > trying after 90s and gets on with booting the computer. > > I've tried ... > > Systemd and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

I use autofs and very happy. I do not need udisks at all, while it is mandatory dependency of solid. I remember old discussion in which kde developer did not understand the concept of optional for this slot.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Marc Joliet wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2017, 12:04:03 CET schrieb Neil Bothwick: >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:06:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Some historical correctnesses about Canek: >>> >>> - He has been here for years >>> - He has contributed here for years >>> - He supports systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 13/12/17 00:02, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> and Windows has this infuriating habit of >> > ignoring my command to shutdown, instead suspending to disk. As my >> > Windows partitions automount in linux, this causes the mount to fail, >> > and systemd won't boot the system. So I spend/waste half an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:34:03 +0100, Marc Joliet wrote: > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. What process was that? The one where distro maintainers decide what to include in *their*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2017, 12:04:03 CET schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:06:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Some historical correctnesses about Canek: > > > > - He has been here for years > > - He has contributed here for years > > - He supports systemd and has offered more

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017, 11:13:30 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie: > Hello, Wols > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:55:45 +, Wols Lists wrote: [...] > > Lennart doesn't want a system where a small failure in one place > > cascades and brings down a load of stuff elsewhere. > > Neither do I, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:06:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Some historical correctnesses about Canek: > > - He has been here for years > - He has contributed here for years > - He supports systemd and has offered more help and explanation about > systemd to it's users on this list than any other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:11:23 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:34:27 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:24:48 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the > > > > Gnome desktop, which I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 13/12/2017 01:23, allan gottlieb wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11 2017, Jorge Almeida wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés >> wrote: >>> >>> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution to >>> this thread; >> >> Good. I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:34:27 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:24:48 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the > > > Gnome desktop, which I really just DO NOT get on with. > > > > Nor I. it's second only to M$ in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:47 +, Wols Lists wrote: > The two big problems I really can lay at systemd's feet is that the boot > occasionally fails and says "dumping you into plymouth console" but > doesn't - this goes away with a reboot ... hey reboots aren't supposed > to fix problems in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, Dec 11 2017, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution to >> this thread; > > Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:55:15 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > You seem to know systemd reasonably well - maybe you've got it > installed and you're using it. Please tell me whether my suspicion > above (that systemd builds stuff into the system that is likely to be > superfluous to a user, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 12/12/17 18:55, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > You seem to know systemd reasonably well - maybe you've got it > installed and you're using it. Please tell me whether my suspicion > above (that systemd builds stuff into the system that is likely to be > superfluous to a user, and possibly forces its

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Hello. On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 01:01:29 -0600, J García wrote: > 2017-12-11 15:03 GMT-06:00 Alan Mackenzie : > > OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a > > systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an > > http server (or, for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 12 December 2017 at 12:11, Wols Lists wrote: > Then there's ASCII - is that parity off? parity on? parity set? > Then there's lines separated by - or is that ? or is that with optional trailing NULL>? > And that's just the versions I know of and have met ... > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 11/12/17 22:29, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> I don't want a binary logging daemon either: that means having to learn >> > a special purpose utility to be able to read its logs, and, in general, >> > not being able to read that log from a remote machine. > "journalctl" is just the same as "less

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On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > "journalctl" is just the same as "less /var/log/messages" so here's > not much to learn unless you want to use the search features. Reading > the log from a remote machine is easy, using either SSH or HTTP, > whichever

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:24:48 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the > > Gnome desktop, which I really just DO NOT get on with. > > Nor I. it's second only to M$ in its arrogance. I have three gnome packages installed on this KDE

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:01:29 -0600, J García wrote: > It is actually more useful to check the software, than lose your time > with so many words on this list. Spoilsport! -- Neil Bothwick I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! pgptPT_YYZXNh.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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2017-12-11 15:03 GMT-06:00 Alan Mackenzie : > OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a > systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an > http server (or, for that matter, an SSH server), for whatever purpose, > should be for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

It's a problem because it's a manufactured dependency rather than one that is necessary or would usually happen, and again systemd gives you no choice, no control.  It was done to inflate a fragile ego in some one who should perhaps feel some shame over some of his responses to legitimate bugs,

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On Monday, 11 December 2017 19:20:24 GMT Wol's lists wrote: > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the Gnome > desktop, which I really just DO NOT get on with. Nor I. it's second only to M$ in its arrogance. -- Regards, Peter.

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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:21 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a > systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an > http server (or, for that matter, an SSH server), for whatever purpose, > should be for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 18:56:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> This may come as a surprise to some, but some things you hear on >> t'internet are not true... >> >> For example, the http server is there to allow access to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Hello, Neil. On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 18:56:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:30 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > > was

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On 10/12/17 23:08, Walter Dnes wrote: Oddly enough, although the details are different, that passage I've quoted pretty accurately describes how I feel about Gnome ...:-) I can't find it right now on Google, but I vaguely remember that Lennart asked the Gnome people to make systemd a hard

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:30 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, > being forced (so I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:02:24PM +, Wols Lists wrote >> On 10/12/17 10:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>> I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal >>> process of choice and selection that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Apologies, systemd is in centos/RHEL starting with V7.  I just checked, somewhere in the last few months i misinterpreted something drastically, i was sure systemd was gone, sadly it's not.  Guess i'll be installing etc. today, Centos 6.9 can't run the newest firefox due to a dependency that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

detail, the machine with centos is running 6.9, systemd was in V7+ i'll have to check that.  systemd was i believe in the later versions of V6.  I will check, it's been a hell of a year with many frustrations and my memory of V7 might be wrong, i'll be installing the latest centos later today

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

I've been using centos on one machine and checked.  When it was there it showed up in the process manager.  just checked system monitor ,it's using /sbin/init, manual for init on that machine says "upstart".  man entry also says "init is event-based init daemon"..."this is different to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, at 13:22, mad.scientist.at.la...@tutanota.com wrote:> interestingly, RH (and Centos) have both dumped systemd and gone to > another system (I don't remember which one). In fact they've done so > retroactively on earlier versions. Of course the continuing take over > of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-11 13:39, Mick wrote: On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution > to > this thread; Good. I can't remember

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

mad.scientist.at.large (a good madscientist) -- 11. Dec 2017 05:39 by michaelkintz...@gmail.com: > On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <>> can...@gmail.com>> >> > > wrote: > >> > Just my two cents. I will not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution > > to > > this thread; > > Good. I can't remember any intervention from

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: > [...] Documentation not for "end-users", "just works" stuff, users should not stress their little heads, we Drs. know best? I rest my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 12/10/2017 11:31 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > Against my better judgement, > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its >> programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Against my better judgement, On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its > programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro > builders, programmers and administrators.

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-12-10 21:31, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> You just don't notice udisks, it's quietly running in the background >> doing its thing without taking either much disk space, memory, nor CPU >> usage. > > I know

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-10 21:31, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > You just don't notice udisks, it's quietly running in the background > doing its thing without taking either much disk space, memory, nor CPU > usage. I know Dr. Valdés will not respond but maybe someone else will, as this is a factual question.

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: [...] > Yes, it seems appropriate for Windows refugees and linuxers suffering > from Apple-envy. When I said I didn't understand why it would be > useful, I meant that the documentation in the site is all but clear > about

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:02:24PM +, Wols Lists wrote > On 10/12/17 10:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. > > It was forced on people. But being forced to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-12-09 12:00, Jorge Almeida wrote: > >> Are you sure you need udisks? And policykit? I'm guessing you have >> some default USE variables which if removed would contribute to a >> cleaner system. I just checked

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 10/12/17 10:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, > being forced (so I have heard) to have

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-09 12:00, Jorge Almeida wrote: > Are you sure you need udisks? And policykit? I'm guessing you have > some default USE variables which if removed would contribute to a > cleaner system. I just checked the documentation about udisks in the > freedesktop site. I didn't manage to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Jorge Almedia:n ... > (Of course, the aforementioned fingers are exceedingly sticky. We all > have to live with udev, after all...) No, we don't have to, this is gentoo after all. You can still use a static dev if you wish even if some packages do insists on udev even though some of thoose

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 10/12/2017 13:55, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > On P, 2017-12-10 at 08:56 +, Jorge Almeida wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:12 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Peter Humphrey >> uk> wrote: On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On P, 2017-12-10 at 08:56 +, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:12 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Peter Humphrey > uk> wrote: > > > On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Wols Lists wrote: > On 09/12/17 12:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> I'm all in favour of Lennart-bashing, but let's keep the bashing to what >> he's responsible for. > > > > As far as I can tell, the most egregious thing he's responsible for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Hello, Wols On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:55:45 +, Wols Lists wrote: > On 09/12/17 12:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I'm all in favour of Lennart-bashing, but let's keep the bashing to what > > he's responsible for. > > As far as I can tell, the most egregious thing he's responsible for is >

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 10/12/17 11:55, Wols Lists wrote: On 09/12/17 12:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm all in favour of Lennart-bashing, but let's keep the bashing to what he's responsible for. As far as I can tell, the most egregious thing he's responsible for is for wanting a well-designed system that works!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 09/12/17 12:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I'm all in favour of Lennart-bashing, but let's keep the bashing to what > he's responsible for. As far as I can tell, the most egregious thing he's responsible for is for wanting a well-designed system that works! Face it, linux is a hodge-podge of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:12 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Mick wrote: >>> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sunday, 10 December 2017 06:12:07 GMT R0b0t1 wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > >> Are you sure you need udisks? And policykit? > > > > I'm pretty sure Mick runs KDE,

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On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Mick wrote: >> > Thank you all for detailed and clear replies. You'd forgive me for >> >

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On Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:00:12 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Mick wrote: > > Thank you all for detailed and clear replies. You'd forgive me for > > being (a little) paranoid about Poettering's fingers getting anywhere > > near my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 09/12/2017 14:04, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 12/09/2017 05:45 AM, Mick wrote: >> On Saturday, 9 December 2017 10:34:32 GMT Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> On 09/12/17 11:51, Mick wrote: I've seen gnome-base/gnome-common pulled in on more than one systems, all of> which have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 12/09/2017 05:45 AM, Mick wrote: On Saturday, 9 December 2017 10:34:32 GMT Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/17 11:51, Mick wrote: I've seen gnome-base/gnome-common pulled in on more than one systems, all of> which have USE="-gnome" set: # emerge -uaNDvt world These are the packages

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Mick wrote: > > Thank you all for detailed and clear replies. You'd forgive me for being (a > little) paranoid about Poettering's fingers getting anywhere near my systems. > :-p > Are you sure you need udisks? And policykit? I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Saturday, 9 December 2017 10:34:32 GMT Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 09/12/17 11:51, Mick wrote: > > I've seen gnome-base/gnome-common pulled in on more than one systems, all > > of> > > which have USE="-gnome" set: > > # emerge -uaNDvt world > > > > These are the packages that would be

[gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 09/12/17 11:51, Mick wrote: I've seen gnome-base/gnome-common pulled in on more than one systems, all of which have USE="-gnome" set: # emerge -uaNDvt world These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: [...] Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ]