[gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-07 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/6/20 11:57 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> >>> Why are you focusing on /tmp and /var/tmp? >> Because only world-writable directories are the ones which >> can be exploited unless the tmpfiles.conf author does >> something malevolent or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/6/20 11:57 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: Michael Orlitzky wrote: Why are you focusing on /tmp and /var/tmp? Because only world-writable directories are the ones which can be exploited unless the tmpfiles.conf author does something malevolent or extremely stupid. This is completely

[gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Martin Vaeth
antlists wrote: > On 06/12/2020 07:55, Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Dale wrote: >>> It sounds like a rather rare problem. Maybe even only during boot up. > >> It is a non-existent problem on openrc if you clean /tmp and /var/tmp >> on boot (which you should do if you use opentmp): > > Which breaks a

[gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Why are you focusing on /tmp and /var/tmp? Because only world-writable directories are the ones which can be exploited unless the tmpfiles.conf author does something malevolent or extremely stupid. > To pick a relevant example relevant? > If that was a 'Z' entry,

[gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael wrote: > > Given M.Orlitzky's comments and discussions with systemd devs he shared, > what's the optimal solution for OpenRC users, who want to avoid systemd? Simply stay with opentmpfiles. > Rely on ebuild creators and maintainer checks to guard against these inherent >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 8:45 AM Michael wrote: > > The objectives of RHL and Poettering are not necessarily aligned > with mine. For example, as I was installing sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles I > noticed systemd selecting as default DNS and NTP servers belonging to Google. > Not something I would

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 6 December 2020 13:01:40 GMT antlists wrote: > On 06/12/2020 12:54, Rich Freeman wrote: > > I think the idea of having something more cross-platform is a good > > one, though there is nothing really about systemd that isn't "open" - > > it is FOSS. It just prioritizes using linux

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/6/20 2:55 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: Dale wrote: It sounds like a rather rare problem. Maybe even only during boot up. It is a non-existent problem on openrc if you clean /tmp and /var/tmp on boot (which you should do if you use opentmp): The purpose of opentmpfiles is to fill these

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread antlists
On 06/12/2020 12:54, Rich Freeman wrote: I think the idea of having something more cross-platform is a good one, though there is nothing really about systemd that isn't "open" - it is FOSS. It just prioritizes using linux syscalls where they are useful over implementing things in a way that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread antlists
On 06/12/2020 07:55, Martin Vaeth wrote: Dale wrote: It sounds like a rather rare problem. Maybe even only during boot up. It is a non-existent problem on openrc if you clean /tmp and /var/tmp on boot (which you should do if you use opentmp): Which breaks a lot of STANDARDS-COMPLIANT

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 7:37 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Maybe the devs need to rename the systemd-tmpfiles package to satisfy > those that break out in a sweat at the mention of the s-word :) Or maybe people who care a great deal about the filenames of stuff just could rename them as they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:37, Neil Bothwick wrote: > Despite the claims that systemd is > monolithic, it is not. It is an ecosystem comprised of many parts, some > of which can be used without any other systemd components, like > systemd-tmpfiles and systemd-boot, not to mention udev. Despite

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 10:45:38 +, Michael wrote: > Given M.Orlitzky's comments and discussions with systemd devs he > shared, what's the optimal solution for OpenRC users, who want to avoid > systemd? systemd-tmpfiles != systemd. Despite the claims that systemd is monolithic, it is not. It is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-06 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 6 December 2020 07:55:29 GMT Martin Vaeth wrote: > Dale wrote: > > It sounds like a rather rare problem. Maybe even only during boot up. > > It is a non-existent problem on openrc if you clean /tmp and /var/tmp > on boot (which you should do if you use opentmp): > > The purpose of

[gentoo-user] Re: Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.

2020-12-05 Thread Martin Vaeth
Dale wrote: > > It sounds like a rather rare problem. Maybe even only during boot up. It is a non-existent problem on openrc if you clean /tmp and /var/tmp on boot (which you should do if you use opentmp): The purpose of opentmpfiles is to fill these directories with certain data during boot,