Re: [gentoo-user] ftp user, local user, apache group

2009-10-15 Thread laurent

laurent a écrit :

Frank Steinmetzger a écrit :

Am Freitag, 9. Oktober 2009 schrieb laurent:
 

Hi,

Now I've setup vsftpd with local user.
For exemple I log with the user laurent, I create a folder via ftp.

This folder is own by laurent, so it's not exessible via apache.
How could I make that, like put laurent in a apache group?



My setup is a combination of apache and pure-ftpd. My user is member 
of the apache group, and I have set my home dir to


$ ls -ld /home/frank
drwxr-x--- 115 frank  apache  16384 2009-10-09 22:30 frank

That way apache can enter my directory to get into ~/public_html, but 
other users (such as guests, it's my laptop) cannot.


If I log into pure-ftpd with a local user account, it puts me into 
the respective user's home. Anonymous logins are made for user ftp, 
which is set up in /home/ftp:


$ ls -ld /home/ftp
dr-xrwx---   4 ftpusers4096 2009-09-19 19:45 ftp

$ ls -ld /home/ftp/incoming
drwxrwxr-x   2 ftpusers4096 2009-09-16 23:58 /home/ftp/incoming/

This setup allows me as the admin user to have control over the 
files in the anonymous ftp root, and anonymous users may only upload 
stuff in the incoming directory.


 

I don't really know how to play with groups and user, any good tutorial
on that?



Just search for it, keywords such as file permissions chown may help:
http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/513350-linux-file-permissions-executables-howto.html 

http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=chmod_squad_howto_use_linux_file_permiss 



The latter is more informative on how to use groups in detail.
  

Hi Franck

Ok, after reading that I guess: I could create a 'connects' group and 
put my apache user in it.
So apache will have control over the files in www own by 
apache:connects. set to 760 recursively, for exemple.


And then add other local user to the connector group. Then as they 
will be able to connect on ftp as a local user they will be able to 
read write files that apache will be able to execute.


I'm gonna do that now :)
thx
Laurent



760 does not work. ftp can't change directory...so I put 770 to www, it 
works.


L



Re: [gentoo-user] ftp user, local user, apache group

2009-10-14 Thread laurent

Frank Steinmetzger a écrit :

Am Freitag, 9. Oktober 2009 schrieb laurent:
  

Hi,

Now I've setup vsftpd with local user.
For exemple I log with the user laurent, I create a folder via ftp.

This folder is own by laurent, so it's not exessible via apache.
How could I make that, like put laurent in a apache group?



My setup is a combination of apache and pure-ftpd. My user is member of the 
apache group, and I have set my home dir to


$ ls -ld /home/frank
drwxr-x--- 115 frank  apache  16384 2009-10-09 22:30 frank

That way apache can enter my directory to get into ~/public_html, but other 
users (such as guests, it's my laptop) cannot.


If I log into pure-ftpd with a local user account, it puts me into the 
respective user's home. Anonymous logins are made for user ftp, which is 
set up in /home/ftp:


$ ls -ld /home/ftp
dr-xrwx---   4 ftpusers4096 2009-09-19 19:45 ftp

$ ls -ld /home/ftp/incoming
drwxrwxr-x   2 ftpusers4096 2009-09-16 23:58 /home/ftp/incoming/

This setup allows me as the admin user to have control over the files in the 
anonymous ftp root, and anonymous users may only upload stuff in the incoming 
directory.


  

I don't really know how to play with groups and user, any good tutorial
on that?



Just search for it, keywords such as file permissions chown may help:
http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/513350-linux-file-permissions-executables-howto.html
http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=chmod_squad_howto_use_linux_file_permiss

The latter is more informative on how to use groups in detail.
  

Hi Franck

Ok, after reading that I guess: I could create a 'connects' group and 
put my apache user in it.
So apache will have control over the files in www own by 
apache:connects. set to 760 recursively, for exemple.


And then add other local user to the connector group. Then as they will 
be able to connect on ftp as a local user they will be able to read 
write files that apache will be able to execute.


I'm gonna do that now :)
thx
Laurent



[gentoo-user] ftp user, local user, apache group

2009-10-09 Thread laurent

Hi,

Now I've setup vsftpd with local user.
For exemple I log with the user laurent, I create a folder via ftp.

This folder is own by laurent, so it's not exessible via apache.
How could I make that, like put laurent in a apache group?

I don't really know how to play with groups and user, any good tutorial 
on that?


Thanks
Laurent



Re: [gentoo-user] ftp user, local user, apache group

2009-10-09 Thread laurent


should I go for vsftpd virtual users?

would need to have all file, folder created under any ftp account 
viewable with apache.

So those files should be own by apache:apache

should it be this way?

Thanks
Laurent

laurent a écrit :

Hi,

Now I've setup vsftpd with local user.
For exemple I log with the user laurent, I create a folder via ftp.

This folder is own by laurent, so it's not exessible via apache.
How could I make that, like put laurent in a apache group?

I don't really know how to play with groups and user, any good 
tutorial on that?


Thanks
Laurent








Re: [gentoo-user] ftp user, local user, apache group

2009-10-09 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Freitag, 9. Oktober 2009 schrieb laurent:
 Hi,

 Now I've setup vsftpd with local user.
 For exemple I log with the user laurent, I create a folder via ftp.

 This folder is own by laurent, so it's not exessible via apache.
 How could I make that, like put laurent in a apache group?

My setup is a combination of apache and pure-ftpd. My user is member of the 
apache group, and I have set my home dir to

$ ls -ld /home/frank
drwxr-x--- 115 frank  apache  16384 2009-10-09 22:30 frank

That way apache can enter my directory to get into ~/public_html, but other 
users (such as guests, it's my laptop) cannot.

If I log into pure-ftpd with a local user account, it puts me into the 
respective user's home. Anonymous logins are made for user ftp, which is 
set up in /home/ftp:

$ ls -ld /home/ftp
dr-xrwx---   4 ftpusers4096 2009-09-19 19:45 ftp

$ ls -ld /home/ftp/incoming
drwxrwxr-x   2 ftpusers4096 2009-09-16 23:58 /home/ftp/incoming/

This setup allows me as the admin user to have control over the files in the 
anonymous ftp root, and anonymous users may only upload stuff in the incoming 
directory.

 I don't really know how to play with groups and user, any good tutorial
 on that?

Just search for it, keywords such as file permissions chown may help:
http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/513350-linux-file-permissions-executables-howto.html
http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=chmod_squad_howto_use_linux_file_permiss

The latter is more informative on how to use groups in detail.
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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp login with ASCII characters?

2008-11-11 Thread David Relson
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:21:43 +
Mick wrote:

 I am getting perplexed why WYSINWYG:
 
 I was trying to login to an ftp server from the CLI.  Typing in the
 passwd failed every time.  I then set it up as a network connection
 in Konqueror and I had no problem at all connecting using the same
 passwd.  However, I noticed that some additional characters had been
 added by konqueror's interpretation of what the passwd ought to look
 like; e.g.
 
 Original passwd:  XXX%02
 Konqueror passwd: XXX%2502
 
 Konqueror added 25 to it, after the percentage sign.  True enough
 when I tried the augmented string as a passwd on the command line I
 was able to login fine.  My terminal is TERM=rxvt and shell is
 SHELL=/bin/bash.  Is there a way to simplify this confusion and allow
 what I type to login normally? Otherwise, where can I find what
 characters I should be typing in for all sort of symbols like
 ^*[]#@ ? -- 
 Regards,
 Mick

H'lo Mick,

It looks like your problem is the percent sign.  I suggest that you
don't use the percent sign in your password.  FWIW, most other special
characters should be fine.

In URL's, the percent sign is used as an escape character to indicate
the next 2 characters are hexadecimal digits representing a single
ascii character.  As you likely know, letter 'A' is a byte with value
65 (decimal) and 41 (hexadecimal).  In C (and other languages) it can
be represented as 0x41.  Using the percent sign escape notation, 'A'
and %41 are the same.  Your password contains %02 which is being
interpreted as 0x02, i.e. as the character whose internal value is 2,
i.e. as CTL-B.

An ASCII chart will give you the decimal and hexadecimal equivalents of
the special characters about which you asked.

HTH,

David



Re: [gentoo-user] ftp login with ASCII characters?

2008-11-11 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 11 November 2008, David Relson wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:21:43 +

 Mick wrote:
  I am getting perplexed why WYSINWYG:
 
  I was trying to login to an ftp server from the CLI.  Typing in the
  passwd failed every time.   

 It looks like your problem is the percent sign.  I suggest that you
 don't use the percent sign in your password.  FWIW, most other special
 characters should be fine.

Thanks!  Yes, that makes perfect sense.
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[gentoo-user] ftp login with ASCII characters?

2008-11-10 Thread Mick
I am getting perplexed why WYSINWYG:

I was trying to login to an ftp server from the CLI.  Typing in the passwd 
failed every time.  I then set it up as a network connection in Konqueror and 
I had no problem at all connecting using the same passwd.  However, I noticed 
that some additional characters had been added by konqueror's interpretation 
of what the passwd ought to look like; e.g.

Original passwd:  XXX%02
Konqueror passwd: XXX%2502

Konqueror added 25 to it, after the percentage sign.  True enough when I tried 
the augmented string as a passwd on the command line I was able to login 
fine.  My terminal is TERM=rxvt and shell is SHELL=/bin/bash.  Is there a way 
to simplify this confusion and allow what I type to login normally?  
Otherwise, where can I find what characters I should be typing in for all 
sort of symbols like ^*[]#@ ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp transfer dies

2008-10-21 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 21 October 2008, Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  Any idea why this happens:
  
  150 Ok to send data.
  100% |***|   224 MiB   46.74 KiB/s   
  00:00 ETA
  226 File receive OK.
  235279855 bytes sent in  1:21:59 (46.70 KiB/s)
  local: xab remote: xab
  227 Entering Passive Mode (205,178,145,65,166,71)
  150 Ok to send data.
   34% |***|   115 MiB   46.80 KiB/s 
  1:19:27 ETAtnftp: Writing to network: Connection reset by peer
   0% |   |-10.00 KiB/s   
  --:-- ETA
  500 OOPS: child died
  
 
  It is rare that I am able to complete more than a single file transfer
  before the connection is reset by peer.  As these are relatively large
  files and the upload is unattended this is rather annoying.
  --
  Regards,
  Mick

 That used to happen to me when I was using a piece-of-junk D-Link
 router. It was one of those $29.99 consumer-grade deals. It would
 reboot itself constantly when it was under any kind of load. I
 replaced it with a $50 router with DD-WRT and things have been fine
 ever since. Might not have anything to do with your problem, but I
 figured I'd mention it. Check your router logs to see if it's having
 any problems.

Thanks Paul,

On the client side I am running a $500 professional grade router and I assume 
that the server ISP is also running something upmarket in their data center.

On this topic the client-server arrangement straddles the Atlantic ocean, so 
who knows how many routers and switches it jumps across.  That said the 
failure pattern is consistent:  first file always transfers cleanly, then 
second transfer fails after a while.  Could it be some configured 
disk/account quote, dropping transfers above a certain size on the (Unix) 
server?
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp transfer dies

2008-10-21 Thread Robert Bridge
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:21:49 +0100
Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 21 October 2008, Paul Hartman wrote:
  On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   Any idea why this happens:
   
   150 Ok to send data.
   100% |***|   224 MiB   46.74
   KiB/s 00:00 ETA
   226 File receive OK.
   235279855 bytes sent in  1:21:59 (46.70 KiB/s)
   local: xab remote: xab
   227 Entering Passive Mode (205,178,145,65,166,71)
   150 Ok to send data.
34% |***|   115 MiB   46.80
   KiB/s 1:19:27 ETAtnftp: Writing to network: Connection reset by
   peer 0% |   |-10.00
   KiB/s --:-- ETA
   500 OOPS: child died
   
  
   It is rare that I am able to complete more than a single file
   transfer before the connection is reset by peer.  As these are
   relatively large files and the upload is unattended this is
   rather annoying. --
   Regards,
   Mick
 
  That used to happen to me when I was using a piece-of-junk D-Link
  router. It was one of those $29.99 consumer-grade deals. It would
  reboot itself constantly when it was under any kind of load. I
  replaced it with a $50 router with DD-WRT and things have been fine
  ever since. Might not have anything to do with your problem, but I
  figured I'd mention it. Check your router logs to see if it's having
  any problems.
 
 Thanks Paul,
 
 On the client side I am running a $500 professional grade router and
 I assume that the server ISP is also running something upmarket in
 their data center.
 
 On this topic the client-server arrangement straddles the Atlantic
 ocean, so who knows how many routers and switches it jumps across.
 That said the failure pattern is consistent:  first file always
 transfers cleanly, then second transfer fails after a while.  Could
 it be some configured disk/account quote, dropping transfers above a
 certain size on the (Unix) server?

Are you running through a proxy?


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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp transfer dies

2008-10-21 Thread Mick
2008/10/21 Robert Bridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:21:49 +0100
 Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 21 October 2008, Paul Hartman wrote:
  On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   Any idea why this happens:
   
   150 Ok to send data.
   100% |***|   224 MiB   46.74
   KiB/s 00:00 ETA
   226 File receive OK.
   235279855 bytes sent in  1:21:59 (46.70 KiB/s)
   local: xab remote: xab
   227 Entering Passive Mode (205,178,145,65,166,71)
   150 Ok to send data.
34% |***|   115 MiB   46.80
   KiB/s 1:19:27 ETAtnftp: Writing to network: Connection reset by
   peer 0% |   |-10.00
   KiB/s --:-- ETA
   500 OOPS: child died
   
  
   It is rare that I am able to complete more than a single file
   transfer before the connection is reset by peer.  As these are
   relatively large files and the upload is unattended this is
   rather annoying. --
   Regards,
   Mick
 
  That used to happen to me when I was using a piece-of-junk D-Link
  router. It was one of those $29.99 consumer-grade deals. It would
  reboot itself constantly when it was under any kind of load. I
  replaced it with a $50 router with DD-WRT and things have been fine
  ever since. Might not have anything to do with your problem, but I
  figured I'd mention it. Check your router logs to see if it's having
  any problems.

 Thanks Paul,

 On the client side I am running a $500 professional grade router and
 I assume that the server ISP is also running something upmarket in
 their data center.

 On this topic the client-server arrangement straddles the Atlantic
 ocean, so who knows how many routers and switches it jumps across.
 That said the failure pattern is consistent:  first file always
 transfers cleanly, then second transfer fails after a while.  Could
 it be some configured disk/account quote, dropping transfers above a
 certain size on the (Unix) server?

 Are you running through a proxy?

No, although I would love to be able to do that at work!  They only
allow port 80 to get out through the corporate gateway and probably
are running some clever filters on their Cisco routers to stop other
protocols.
-- 
Regards,
Mick



[gentoo-user] ftp transfer dies

2008-10-20 Thread Mick
Hi All,

Any idea why this happens:

150 Ok to send data.
100% |***|   224 MiB   46.74 KiB/s00:00 
ETA
226 File receive OK.
235279855 bytes sent in  1:21:59 (46.70 KiB/s)
local: xab remote: xab
227 Entering Passive Mode (205,178,145,65,166,71)
150 Ok to send data.
 34% |***|   115 MiB   46.80 KiB/s  1:19:27 
ETAtnftp: Writing to network: Connection reset by peer
  0% |   |-10.00 KiB/s--:-- 
ETA
500 OOPS: child died


It is rare that I am able to complete more than a single file transfer before 
the connection is reset by peer.  As these are relatively large files and 
the upload is unattended this is rather annoying.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp transfer dies

2008-10-20 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

 Any idea why this happens:
 
 150 Ok to send data.
 100% |***|   224 MiB   46.74 KiB/s00:00
 ETA
 226 File receive OK.
 235279855 bytes sent in  1:21:59 (46.70 KiB/s)
 local: xab remote: xab
 227 Entering Passive Mode (205,178,145,65,166,71)
 150 Ok to send data.
  34% |***|   115 MiB   46.80 KiB/s  1:19:27
 ETAtnftp: Writing to network: Connection reset by peer
  0% |   |-10.00 KiB/s--:--
 ETA
 500 OOPS: child died
 

 It is rare that I am able to complete more than a single file transfer before
 the connection is reset by peer.  As these are relatively large files and
 the upload is unattended this is rather annoying.
 --
 Regards,
 Mick

That used to happen to me when I was using a piece-of-junk D-Link
router. It was one of those $29.99 consumer-grade deals. It would
reboot itself constantly when it was under any kind of load. I
replaced it with a $50 router with DD-WRT and things have been fine
ever since. Might not have anything to do with your problem, but I
figured I'd mention it. Check your router logs to see if it's having
any problems.

Yhsnkd,
Paul



Re: [gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?

2008-09-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:45:12 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As I am monitoring ftp through a wireless LAN which max at 300KB/s,
 running X11-forwarding is not comfortable. running a desktop session on
 the server and run vnc seems overkill.

What's wrong with looking at the server's log file(s) in a standard SSH
session?


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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?

2008-09-07 Thread Zhang Weiwu
Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:45:12 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 As I am monitoring ftp through a wireless LAN which max at 300KB/s,
 running X11-forwarding is not comfortable. running a desktop session on
 the server and run vnc seems overkill.
 
 What's wrong with looking at the server's log file(s) in a standard SSH
 session?

Because that mess up with other user's ftp activities. Also because I
don't get the knowledge which folder the user I am watching is in (I
could tell this by looking at the log backwards and find his last 'cd'
command, but it's more convenient to look it just on the UI). There are
other functions that is convenient on the UI but not on the commandline,
e.g. number of concurrent connection a user have is directly on the UI
on Serv-U but with vsftpd I have to run some smart combination of
grep/sed/awk to get this info, and can be difficult to get it in real
time. Also consider information you cannot get from reading the log,
e.g. find out who is taking the biggest share of download badnwidth
right the moment your user complain being too slow.



[gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?

2008-09-06 Thread zhangweiwu
Hello. I am looking for an FTP server software that let me monitor the
ftp activities on my notebook. Both server and the notebook runs Gentoo
Linux except the server doesn't have any X11 related stuff. The reason I
want to do this is because I offer my users file to download and I often
need to monitor what they are doing to make sure they gets connected.
This is especially useful when doing support on the phone, I can call my
user and instruct him to download file, at the meantime see he logged in
and doing the right thing.

I used pure-ftpd and pureadmin (a GUI for monitoring pure-ftpd).
Pureadmin has every feature I need (see who is logged in, see
activities) but it has to be run AFAIK on the same computer that runs
ftp server.

I used filezilla server which let me control it through a control
connection and see activities, but the server software doesn't have a
Linux version.

I used pro-ftpd and didn't see the option for it's GUI manager to
connect to a remote server.

What software in Linux world can do this?

As I am monitoring ftp through a wireless LAN which max at 300KB/s,
running X11-forwarding is not comfortable. running a desktop session on
the server and run vnc seems overkill.

Thanks for hints in advance!

Best regards



Re: [gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?

2008-09-06 Thread zhangweiwu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello. I am looking for an FTP server software that let me monitor the
 ftp activities of the FTP server on my notebook (ftp server and notebook
 are different hosts)

After homework on google it seems this feature is called remote
administration. In Linux world only one ftp server I found support
this: CrashFTP Server. Unfortunately the server is not opensource, and
doesn't have a powerpc binary release (which my server is).

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[gentoo-user] FTP sync between two local servers

2006-10-24 Thread Dmitry Gorohov
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:11:45 -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote:

 What's wrong with /bin/false?

 Then, if it's compromised, all he has is the ability to do nothing, 
 unsuccessfully :)

That's a security risk! Doing nothing unsuccessfully means
doing something. You want him to do nothing successfully :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-07 Thread Ryan Tandy

Neil Bothwick wrote:


That's a security risk! Doing nothing unsuccessfully means
doing something. You want him to do nothing successfully :)




...I'm not sure I follow your logic there.

In any case, -ie 's/false/true' and continue? :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas T. Veldhouse

Gerhard Hoogterp wrote:
Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but 
uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. 


http://winscp.net/eng/index.php

  
Default configuration of SSH on Gentoo will not allow a user to leave 
their home directory tree.  Just a word of advice; be careful.


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[gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread JimD
Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for
Gentoo?

My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites.
 I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and
give him his own directory to play with.

I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh.  However,
I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design,
so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by
tools.  He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp.  If he really
gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like
dreamweaver.

From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone
to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.  I
guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp
wrappers.

Thanks for any guidance,

Jim
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 6 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote:

 Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server
 for Gentoo?

 My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building
 websites. I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web
 server and give him his own directory to play with.

 I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. 
 However, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web
 page design, so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and
 most supported by tools.  He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to
 ftp.  If he really gets into building websites, he wants to purchase
 something like dreamweaver.

 From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow
  someone

 to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. 
 I guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses
 tcp wrappers.

 Thanks for any guidance,

What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running.
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RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Timothy A. Holmes


 Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server
for
 Gentoo?
 
 My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building
websites.
  I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server
and
 give him his own directory to play with.
 
 I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh.
However,
 I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page
design,
 so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported
by
 tools.  He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp.  If he
really
 gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like
 dreamweaver.
 
 From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow
someone
 to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.
I
 guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses
tcp
 wrappers.
 
 Thanks for any guidance,
 
 Jim

[Timothy A. Holmes] 

Take a look at sftp - its part of ssh - I don't know if nvu supports it
or not but I know dreamweaver does


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Gerhard Hoogterp
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote:

 From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone

 to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.  I
 guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp
 wrappers.


Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but 
uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. 

http://winscp.net/eng/index.php

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread brettholcomb
Did you check out sftp?  Or programs like secure shell which do ftp also.
 
 From: JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/06/06 Tue AM 11:38:06 EDT
 To: Gentoo-User gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
 
 Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for
 Gentoo?
 
 My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites.
  I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and
 give him his own directory to play with.
 
 I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh.  However,
 I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design,
 so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by
 tools.  He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp.  If he really
 gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like
 dreamweaver.
 
 From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone
 to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.  I
 guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp
 wrappers.
 
 Thanks for any guidance,
 
 Jim
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread JimD
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
 What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running.

I have ssh.  However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website
editing support sftp?  I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing in
it stinks real bad.  I don't know what windows software he will always
use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool.  A lot of
those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am not sure if
they support sftp.

Jim

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread JimD
Gerhard Hoogterp wrote:
 On Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote:
 
 From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone

 to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.  I
 guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp
 wrappers.
 
 
 Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but 
 uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. 
 
 http://winscp.net/eng/index.php
 
 Gerhard

Ohhh, it has a gui too!  I think we may have a winner ;-)

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread JimD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did you check out sftp?  Or programs like secure shell which do ftp also.

I use ssh/sftp exclusively.  I just have never really used any of the
windows based WYIWYG-type website editors to know if they support ssh/sftp.

Thanks,

Jim
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:48 skrev Gerhard Hoogterp:
 Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but
 uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security..

Actually WinSCP supports both scp and sftp. By default it uses sftp because 
that supports resume if the connection fails during a transfer. scp does not 
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD:
 I don't know what windows software he will always
 use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool.

I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap 
code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:01, JimD wrote:

 I have ssh.  However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website
 editing support sftp?  I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing
 in it stinks real bad.  I don't know what windows software he will
 always use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. 
 A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am
 not sure if they support sftp.

You can use a ftp-to-sftp bridge like mindterm (it's in java, so should 
be os-independent), or tunnel plain ftp over ssh (see 
http://fonc.sf.net). In both cases, any non-sftp-aware app works just 
fine, provided that things are set up correctly beforehand.
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 06 June 2006 16:38, JimD wrote:
 Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for
 Gentoo?

 My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites.
  I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and
 give him his own directory to play with.

 I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh.  However,
 I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design,
 so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by
 tools. 

There is no such thing as a secure FTP server in my book. Maybe you can 
install a ssh/sftp client on his Windows box and use sftp.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Dave Moore

Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server
for Gentoo?

Take a look at vsftpd. Their tagline: Very Secure FTP Daemon written
with speed, size and security in mind. It's in portage, and I've been
using it on a Gentoo system for some time now. I don't think it's ever
had more than a half dozen or so simultaneous connections, so I'm not
really giving it a workout, but I like it.


I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap
code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though.

The latest iteration of Dreamweaver produces pretty good code. Leaps
and bounds ahead of the previous versions and FP.


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server / ssh and other bruteforce

2006-06-06 Thread Jason A. Booth
I don't know if my other posts made it because I think I was using the wrong
e-mail to send from.

I tend to prefer proftpd because you can lock specific users/ groups out
and run it in a chrooted environment easily.

BFD (brute force detection) works well for all services, is easy to set up and 
available at:
http://www.r-fx.ca/downloads/bfd-current.tar.gz 

Also, if it is just him, and he happens to be on static or change i.p. 
addresses infrequently, you could just block it at the firewall:

iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s his ip --sport 21 -j ACCEPT 
iptables -I INPUT 2 -p tcp --dport 21 -j DROP

Cheers,
~J

oh yeah.. down with windows!

On Tuesday 06 June 2006 09:03, JimD wrote:
 Gerhard Hoogterp wrote:
  On Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote:
  From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone
 
  to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.  I
  guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp
  wrappers.
 
  Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients
  but uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for
  security..
 
  http://winscp.net/eng/index.php
 
  Gerhard

 Ohhh, it has a gui too!  I think we may have a winner ;-)

 Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread michael




On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:


On Tuesday 6 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote:


Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server
for Gentoo?

My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building
websites. I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web
server and give him his own directory to play with.

I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh.
However, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web
page design, so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and
most supported by tools.  He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to
ftp.  If he really gets into building websites, he wants to purchase
something like dreamweaver.


From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow
someone


to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password.
I guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses
tcp wrappers.

Thanks for any guidance,


What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running.


What kind of a client do you need to talk to an sftp server?
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RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Timothy A. Holmes



 -Original Message-
 From: Bo Ørsted Andresen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:22 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
 
 Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD:
  I don't know what windows software he will always
  use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool.
 
 I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces
 crap
 code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though.
 
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[Timothy A. Holmes] 

I love dreamweaver -- it works really great - the code is a bit verbose, BUT it 
is also very easy to trace because of that - 

I use it for all of our sites here - If you want a look 

http://www.mcaschool.net 

there may be a few errors lying about -- but those are mine, NOT dreamweavers

and it does support sftp

TIM


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running.

 What kind of a client do you need to talk to an sftp server?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SFTP_clients

plus, of course, the sftp binary that comes with the openssh package.
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Daniel da Veiga

On 6/6/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD:
 I don't know what windows software he will always
 use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool.

I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap
code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though.



sftp works great, its easy, simple and secure. You already checked a
GUI, so, shouldn't be a problem. Frontpage produces crappy code full
of MS stuff, hides you the basics of HTML and has limited CSS editing.
Dreamweaver works great, has few bugs and full CSS support, snippets
and PHP/ASP/Javascript editing, but I strongly advice your
father-in-law not to use a GUI to start webmastering, use plain old
text editing software to really learn what's going on.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Bruno Lustosa

On 6/6/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sftp works great, its easy, simple and secure. You already checked a
GUI, so, shouldn't be a problem. Frontpage produces crappy code full
of MS stuff, hides you the basics of HTML and has limited CSS editing.
Dreamweaver works great, has few bugs and full CSS support, snippets
and PHP/ASP/Javascript editing, but I strongly advice your
father-in-law not to use a GUI to start webmastering, use plain old
text editing software to really learn what's going on.


That's it. The worst thing you can ever come across is a webmaster who
doesn't know HTML (I've worked with a few people like this). If you're
into web building, you *must* know HTML and CSS. You might want a
WYSIWYG editor to help you here and there, but you must know how
things work behind, or else, no matter the tools, you'll end up
producing crap code.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread michael




On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:


On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running.


What kind of a client do you need to talk to an sftp server?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SFTP_clients

plus, of course, the sftp binary that comes with the openssh package.


Thanks. I guess the question really is: Can the ftp client that's built in to
programs like dreamweaver, frontpage, nvu, etc. work with an sftp or vsftp
server, or do you need a special client? If my users have to install a special
client, they may as well use WinSCP, but ideally, I can find a secure server
(although I agree with the comment someone made about secure ftp being an
oxymoron) that works with the html authoring tool my users already have.

We all may have our opinions of dreamweaver, frontpage, and nvu, but so do my
users, and I support them best if I allow them to use the tool of their
choice.

Ideally, I'd like a solution that works for clients on both OS X and Windows,
as I have users of both flavors.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Michael Crute

On 6/6/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

but I strongly advice your father-in-law not to use a GUI to start webmastering,
use plain old text editing software to really learn what's going on.


I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make
bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor
learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed.

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Evan Klitzke

On 6/6/06, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make
bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor
learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed.


It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a
book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be
a bit overwhelming!

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RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Timothy A. Holmes
 On 6/6/06, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make
  bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor
  learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed.
 
 It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a
 book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be
 a bit overwhelming!
 
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In this sense I am afraid I cannot agree with you.  While I agree that
it is ABSOLUTLY essential to learn XHTML and CSS code, trying to start
from a blank vi or notepad screen is an exercise in frustration -- been
there done that -- as I was beginning to learn web programming, working
under incredible pressure from the then resident administration, I was
trying to hand code everything in Visual InterDev.  The crowning moment
was 5 hours spent to produce 2 lines of NON-WORKING code. I far more
recommend a authoring package like Dreamweaver that allows you to flip
views or even split the views, so you can see what is happening to your
code each time you make an insertion.  I tend to do the pretty stuff
in the gui and use the code editor (which has autocomplete and some
other nice stuff) to do the code.  In some cases (like constructing
querys etc) DW makes it very easy to accomplish and provides CONSISTANT
and WORKING code, which is something that beginning web builders have a
hard time with. Even if you are set on doing hand code, do it with a
coding editor such as Dreamweaver - the color coding, line numbers etc
make it much easier to debug

I would at ALL COSTS -- stay away from Front Page -- the code that it
produces is HORRIBLE.

Tim


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Re: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread brettholcomb
Jim, DONT let  him use Frontpage.  I used it once and have had to support a 
server with it for a class - - it creates junk, hides stuff (in the MS you 
don't need to know way).  Once I inherited a site done in FP to maintain and I 
moved it to Dreamweaver - very nice.

 
 From: Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/06/06 Tue PM 12:53:35 EDT
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
 
 On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:01, JimD wrote:
 
  I have ssh.  However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website
  editing support sftp?  I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing
  in it stinks real bad.  I don't know what windows software he will
  always use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. 
  A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am
  not sure if they support sftp.
 


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread JimD
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
 Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD:
 I don't know what windows software he will always
 use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool.
 
 I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap 
 code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though.

Frontpage was just an example.  As a programmer, I will do all in my
power to prevent that junk from getting on his computer.  It is my duty
as a Linux Geek.  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Daniel da Veiga

On 6/6/06, Evan Klitzke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 6/6/06, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make
 bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor
 learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed.

It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a
book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be
a bit overwhelming!



That's precisely why I didn't point it to GVIM for Windows, *lol*.
And yes, a good book, online tutorial (I even like the CHM format) is
the way to start, I had big trouble using GUIs, couldn't even create a
simple table without a wizard, venturing in the world of text-only was
the way to learn. Of course, you don't have to be a dinossaur and use
vi or nano or notepad. You can use syntax highlight, completion,
auto-ident, line numbering and snippets. But you must KNOW how to do
it by hand in case you have no other option.


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Daniel
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 11:38, JimD wrote:
 Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server
 for Gentoo?

You've already heard a number of good suggestions here.  I will state my 
support for the WinSCP option with one additional suggestion:  Turn off 
shell access for the user in /etc/passwd and replace it with sftp like 
so:

  dad:x:1001:1001::/home/dad:/usr/lib/misc/sftp-server

That way, if his box gets compromised, the intruder doesn't have a shell 
on your machine, just the ability to delete your dad's website ;-)

Additionally, you may want to look into disabling password access 
alltogether for SSH instead opting for keys only.  They can be 
restricted at the application layer (in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys) to 
reject requests for a login based on originating IP as well as key 
authentication.

Frontpage is terrible, GoLive is comparable to Frontpage and Dreamweaver 
sucks... less.  They're all guilty of using deprecated tags everywhere 
and they all create a dependency on the GUI rather than Doing It Right.  
I very much recommend Homesite, as it's less susceptible to the typical 
Dreamweaver-esque blunders.

Lastly, I believe Dreamweaver, in combination with Putty can play nice 
with SFTP, and Homesite may very well be the same given that they're 
currently owned by the same company (Macromedia)

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Dave Moore

On 6/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks. I guess the question really is: Can the ftp client that's built in to
programs like dreamweaver, frontpage, nvu, etc. work with an sftp or vsftp
server, or do you need a special client?


I'm assuming your reference to VSFTP is based on my recommendation of
vsftpd. vsftpd stands for very secure file transfer protocol daemon,
but make no mistake: This is an FTP daemon. The 'very secure' isn't
referring to a protocol, they're just saying their daemon is very
secure. I tend to agree.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Michael Crute

On 6/6/06, Timothy A. Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 6/6/06, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make
  bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor
  learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed.

 It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a
 book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be
 a bit overwhelming!

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[Timothy A. Holmes]

In this sense I am afraid I cannot agree with you.  While I agree that
it is ABSOLUTLY essential to learn XHTML and CSS code, trying to start
from a blank vi or notepad screen is an exercise in frustration -- been
there done that -- as I was beginning to learn web programming, working
under incredible pressure from the then resident administration, I was
trying to hand code everything in Visual InterDev.  The crowning moment
was 5 hours spent to produce 2 lines of NON-WORKING code. I far more
recommend a authoring package like Dreamweaver that allows you to flip
views or even split the views, so you can see what is happening to your
code each time you make an insertion.  I tend to do the pretty stuff
in the gui and use the code editor (which has autocomplete and some
other nice stuff) to do the code.  In some cases (like constructing
querys etc) DW makes it very easy to accomplish and provides CONSISTANT
and WORKING code, which is something that beginning web builders have a
hard time with. Even if you are set on doing hand code, do it with a
coding editor such as Dreamweaver - the color coding, line numbers etc
make it much easier to debug

I would at ALL COSTS -- stay away from Front Page -- the code that it
produces is HORRIBLE.


I can agree that you may want autocomplete and color coding, maybe
even a gui preview but in that case (on Windows) use Notepadd++,
Firefox, and ALT+TAB. If you start in a GUI editor it tends to make
you lazy conseqently causes you to create bad sites. Its much more to
your advantage to RTFM and not take shortcuts.

-Mike

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Re: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread michael

This discussion is really off-topic. Please label it as such. The
original post was regarding ftp servers.



On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Jim, DONT let  him use Frontpage.  I used it once and have had to support a 
server with it for a class - - it creates junk, hides stuff (in the MS you don't 
need to know way).  Once I inherited a site done in FP to maintain and I moved it to 
Dreamweaver - very nice.



From: Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/06/06 Tue PM 12:53:35 EDT
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:01, JimD wrote:


I have ssh.  However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website
editing support sftp?  I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing
in it stinks real bad.  I don't know what windows software he will
always use.  He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool.
A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am
not sure if they support sftp.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server

2006-06-06 Thread Ryan Tandy

Daniel wrote:

  dad:x:1001:1001::/home/dad:/usr/lib/misc/sftp-server

That way, if his box gets compromised, the intruder doesn't have a shell 
on your machine, just the ability to delete your dad's website ;-)


What's wrong with /bin/false?

Then, if it's compromised, all he has is the ability to do nothing, 
unsuccessfully :)

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[gentoo-user] FTP-Server w/ postprocessing command

2006-05-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt

Hi folks,

does anyone known an FTP server, which can execute some
command after upload ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp connection refused

2006-03-26 Thread Bryan Whitehead
I really don't understand the problem... you can't ftp from one server to 
the other? if so, which server from what client? What IP to what IP? Can 
you show me the output of netstat -tlnp on each?


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, maxim wexler wrote:


Hello everybody,

I keep casting this fly, hoping for a strike ;0

For a crossover lan. Ping OK. route -n confirms net
setup on *both* machines

iftraf indicates activity on remote machine when ftp
command issued.

adding debug switch returns:

servname not supported for ai_socktype.

googling points to bad /etc/hosts.

here's /etc/hosts from present machine(192.168.0.3):

127.0.0.1   sarawak localhost
192.168.0.2 xlan yeti  #remote pc
# IPV6 versions of localhost and co
::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts

I think it was after emerging ftp I found the line
starting with 192.168.0.3 on the machine with the
fresh 2.6.15 install followed by 'gravity.twi-31o2.org
gravity'(?!), but that didn't work either.

in /etc/host.conf multi set to on and off. Neither
works.

Is it resolv.conf? But this is 'net stuff. Dynamic
name finding or whatever, isn't it? The NICs are
strictly non-web using static addresses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
domain sarawak
nameserver 206.47.244.52
nameserver 67.69.184.7

-Maxim


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[gentoo-user] ftp connection refused

2006-03-24 Thread maxim wexler
Hello everybody,

I keep casting this fly, hoping for a strike ;0

For a crossover lan. Ping OK. route -n confirms net
setup on *both* machines

iftraf indicates activity on remote machine when ftp
command issued.

adding debug switch returns:

servname not supported for ai_socktype.

googling points to bad /etc/hosts.

here's /etc/hosts from present machine(192.168.0.3):

127.0.0.1   sarawak localhost
192.168.0.2 xlan yeti  #remote pc
# IPV6 versions of localhost and co
::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts

I think it was after emerging ftp I found the line
starting with 192.168.0.3 on the machine with the
fresh 2.6.15 install followed by 'gravity.twi-31o2.org
gravity'(?!), but that didn't work either.

in /etc/host.conf multi set to on and off. Neither
works.

Is it resolv.conf? But this is 'net stuff. Dynamic
name finding or whatever, isn't it? The NICs are
strictly non-web using static addresses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
domain sarawak
nameserver 206.47.244.52
nameserver 67.69.184.7

-Maxim


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[gentoo-user] ftp -- connection refused

2006-03-23 Thread maxim wexler
Hi everyone,

Can't get this thing to work on a crossover LAN. Pings
OK, route etc. I've edited the /etc/hosts file every
which way. Currently it's


127.0.0.1   sarawak localhost
192.168.0.2 xlan yeti  
# IPV6 versions of localhost and co
::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts

The other PC is similar but with the address of the
present machine, natch. 

Turning on debug elicits the following:

Servname not supported for ai_socktype.

But it's not completely non-functional, iptraf reveals
a burst of activity when the connection is attempted.

This should work. It worked with the same PCs a few
months ago before I wiped the drives and started over.

-Maxim


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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp

2005-08-28 Thread Rumen Yotov
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 22:05 -0400, John Dangler wrote:
 Can someone here recommend a good ftp app that I can use in gnome?
 
 Thanks.
 
 John D
 
 
 
Hi,
Try 'gftp'
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[gentoo-user] ftp

2005-08-27 Thread John Dangler
Can someone here recommend a good ftp app that I can use in gnome?

Thanks.

John D



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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp

2005-08-27 Thread John Jolet
I like gftp...works in kde, too.
On Saturday 27 August 2005 21:05, John Dangler wrote:
 Can someone here recommend a good ftp app that I can use in gnome?

 Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] ftp

2005-08-27 Thread Joe Menola
On Saturday August 27 2005 9:08 pm, John Jolet wrote:
 I like gftp...works in kde, too.

Ditto.

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RE: [gentoo-user] ftp

2005-08-27 Thread John Dangler
Thanks, John.  After reading through the plethora of apps and googling til
my eyes hurt, I think it's a good start...

John D

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I like gftp...works in kde, too.
On Saturday 27 August 2005 21:05, John Dangler wrote:
 Can someone here recommend a good ftp app that I can use in gnome?

 Thanks.

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RE: [gentoo-user] ftp

2005-08-27 Thread Nick Rout
my votes:

wget 
ncftp

On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 22:22 -0400, John Dangler wrote:
 Thanks, John.  After reading through the plethora of apps and googling til
 my eyes hurt, I think it's a good start...
 
 John D
 
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