Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Hi again Sean, thanks for answering (as well the others :)) more questions: On 8/8/05, Sean Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mmhmm... the webcam / video-conference stuff is not something I havemuch expirience with either, sorry to say.As far as the other software is concerned I would look at the crossover office fork of wine (assumingthat wine itself won't run it) or maybe some virtualization softwaresuch as vmare. Yes, that might be the best I can do now. I been looking for VMWare and Wine and from what I read, I prefer Wine, but does it run everything, most of it or almost nothing? I read it is must harder to install/configure, but I'll give it a try. Or is there anyone to convince me that VMWare is better? I'll erase my windows partition and merge it with gentoo's one. I'll end up with ~15Gb for gentoo... which seems to be fairly acceptable. In a future stage, I might convert my share partition from FAT32 to a linux like. By the way, I use reiserfs on my gentoo's partition. Will I have problems to resize it? About the videoconference, I checked the forum and got aware of the cvs version of amsn which already supports it. :) 3) Convert hda5 to ext3|reiserfs|jfs|mature non-fat fs of choice.Mount it as /home. The reason it is FAT32 is to windows be able to access it. With windows away, I could do that.Right.Keep in mind that with VMWare you can mount your linux home directory as a SMB share.Another advantage of a seperate/home is that you can reinstall the OSwithout effecting your important personal data and settings. I realizeon your current system /mnt/share really handled some of that but thought I'd mention it as well. Yes, that was the main reason to have my personal files on other partition. As I said, converting this partition will be the next step after removing windows and installing wine. Cheers, Fernando
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
On 8/8/05, *Sean Reiser* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mmhmm... the webcam / video-conference stuff is not something I have much expirience with either, sorry to say. As far as the other software is concerned I would look at the crossover office fork of wine (assuming that wine itself won't run it) or maybe some virtualization software such as vmare. Yes, that might be the best I can do now. I been looking for VMWare and Wine and from what I read, I prefer Wine, but does it run everything, most of it or almost nothing? heh... that's exactly right. :) It really depends on who you are and what you are doing. I think I mentioned that I'm using the codeweaver crossover office port (http://www.codeweavers.com/). Take a look both the wine site and their site to see if the applications you are looking to run will run. I read it is must harder to install/configure, but I'll give it a try. Or is there anyone to convince me that VMWare is better? They are entirely different products (I use both). WINE is an api layer where VMWareis a true VM. You'll get better better compatibility at the cost of RAM and performance. I tend to use VMWare for a testing environment and WINE for running applications. I'll erase my windows partition and merge it with gentoo's one. I'll end up with ~15Gb for gentoo... which seems to be fairly acceptable. In a future stage, I might convert my share partition from FAT32 to a linux like. By the way, I use reiserfs on my gentoo's partition. Will I have problems to resize it? Even though reiserfs lets you do it I wouldn't resize the volume with it mounted (seems far too risky for my gut). As I mentioned I would do a backup first (can't stress that enough). Any time I've done this type of work I have booted from a live CD, backed up (and verified), scrogged and repartitioned, and then restored. FileSystem Caveat: Although my last name is Reiser, I am not related or associated with reiserfs (or to Hans himself). Do not believe that I know more about reiserfs based on the strength of my last name. 3) Convert hda5 to ext3|reiserfs|jfs|mature non-fat fs of choice. Mount it as /home. The reason it is FAT32 is to windows be able to access it. With windows away, I could do that. Right. Keep in mind that with VMWare you can mount your linux home directory as a SMB share. Another advantage of a seperate /home is that you can reinstall the OS without effecting your important personal data and settings. I realize on your current system /mnt/share really handled some of that but thought I'd mention it as well. Yes, that was the main reason to have my personal files on other partition. As I said, converting this partition will be the next step after removing windows and installing wine. Sounds like a good direction. Good Luck. -- spr -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
On 8/9/05, Sean Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll erase my windows partition and merge it with gentoo's one. I'll end up with ~15Gb for gentoo... which seems to be fairly acceptable. In a future stage, I might convert my share partition from FAT32 to a linux like. By the way, I use reiserfs on my gentoo's partition. Will I have problems to resize it?Even though reiserfs lets you do it I wouldn't resize the volume with itmounted (seems far too risky for my gut).As I mentioned I would do abackup first (can't stress that enough).Any time I've done this type of work I have booted from a live CD, backed up (and verified), scroggedand repartitioned, and then restored. I've been looking for comments about this process... and I got a little bit scared. In my case, i have (in order): - /dev/hda1 - 9.8G windows - /dev/hda2 - EXTENDED - /dev/hda5 - 23G share - /dev/hda3 - 512Mb swap - /dev/hda4 - 4.6G gentoo So, am I wrong or is it impossible to merge hda1 and hda4 with hda5 in between? I could rearrange swap and even create /boot, but I wont be able to move (at least at the time being) my share partition. If I'm right, then what are my choices? Could I: - backup up gentoo's partition (maybe using SysRescueCD: http://www.sysresccd.org/ - format windows partition, create /boot at the beginning of the hd, use the rest for gentoo system - use the actual gentoo partition for /home (or would it be better to other like /usr ??) - restore gentoo system on the 1rst partition and fix boot. Is there any better idea? Maybe after a month or so, I may be able to move my SHARE and arrange this better... FileSystem Caveat:Although my last name is Reiser, I am not related or associated with reiserfs (or to Hans himself). Do not believe that Iknow more about reiserfs based on the strength of my last name. eheheh.. :) Good Luck. Thanks, I'll need it. Fernando.
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Fernando Meira schreef: I've been looking for comments about this process... and I got a little bit scared. In my case, i have (in order): - /dev/hda1 - 9.8G windows - /dev/hda2 - EXTENDED - /dev/hda5 - 23G share - /dev/hda3 - 512Mb swap - /dev/hda4 - 4.6G gentoo So, am I wrong or is it impossible to merge hda1 and hda4 with hda5 in between? I could rearrange swap and even create /boot, but I wont be able to move (at least at the time being) my share partition. If I'm right, then what are my choices? Honestly, I'm not quite sure why you feel the driving need to merge anything. *You are a Linux user. You can mount partitions wherever you want.* I don't think you can merge hda1 and hda4 without setting up LVM, but there's no reason that you can't boot from a LiveCD, mount the newly-empty hda1 to /mnt/temp, rsync the contents of /usr (or /var, or whatever) to that partition, rename the current /var (or /usr, or whatever) folder to var(usr).tmp, then edit your fstab to mount hda1 to /var. If it all works properly, erase /var(usr).tmp, and the space is free. That's how most of us get extra space on the fly when there's no other choice and it has to be done relatively quickly and with minimal disturbance (as opposed to major repartitioning that might be necessary for something like setting up LVM). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Fernando Meira wrote: Hi Tero, what I meant with redo my partitions was in the way that I will expand my gentoo partition (or try to). I have: # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda4 4.6G 3.8G 803M 83% / ^^ *might* be enough for a minimal system, but not for your compiles or distfiles. udev 252M 808K 252M 1% /dev ^^ Why a separate partition for /dev? This is complete waste. Especially with that size. /dev/hda5 23G 20G 3.3G 86% /mnt/share ^^ You'll *never* need that much space in here. Do not have this on a separate partition. Maybe you could make this partition your /home ? /dev/hda1 9.8G 8.0G 1.8G 82% /mnt/windows ^^ Complete waste ;) none 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm Options: - erase hda1 (win$) and merge with with hda4. - somehow rearrange hda5 (which is FAT) and split it 2, and merge a part to hda4. It is up to you how to rearrange them but I suggest that you have only these partitions for Gentoo: /boot / /home (optional but recommended) (+swap) what are the advantages of pointing PORTAGE_TMPDIR and DISTDIR to other partitions? The idea is, ofcourse, to give your compiles and distfiles more room. This in turn would free up space for your system. thanks for the localepurge tip: - Total disk space freed by localepurge: 48448K (not bad ;) Yeah, it's great. BTW, check out the 'userlocales' USE flag for glibc too. It will speed up the compilation and save some space. -- T.G. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:04:32 -0300, Francisco J. A. Ares wrote: Not a script, but I have some machines with /usr/portage NFS'd to a server (I'm thinking about doing the same with /var/tmp/portage/ also, but don't know how to lock it to avoid colisions). Putting PORTAGE_TMPDIR on an NFS partition would slow merging down horribly. -- Neil Bothwick Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at. pgpaer0jbUgAl.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Also makes long builds like OO and xorg fail for random network issues as well seeming to take forever. My success rate for OO is under 50% of attempts when I was using NFS for the tmpdir. Did work fine for smaller builds tho. BillK On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 09:03 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:04:32 -0300, Francisco J. A. Ares wrote: Not a script, but I have some machines with /usr/portage NFS'd to a server (I'm thinking about doing the same with /var/tmp/portage/ also, but don't know how to lock it to avoid colisions). Putting PORTAGE_TMPDIR on an NFS partition would slow merging down horribly. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:45:36 +0300 (EEST), Tero Grundstr_m wrote: udev 252M 808K 252M 1% /dev ^^ Why a separate partition for /dev? This is complete waste. Especially with that size. udev is a virtual filesystem, it's using 808K of memory, not 252M of disk space. udev appears to allocate half the available RAM as the maximum size for /dev. -- Neil Bothwick But there, everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses. -- Jerome K. Jerome pgpC4OMhDv0KV.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:45:36 +0300 (EEST), Tero Grundstr_m wrote: udev 252M 808K 252M 1% /dev ^^ Why a separate partition for /dev? This is complete waste. Especially with that size. udev is a virtual filesystem, it's using 808K of memory, not 252M of disk space. udev appears to allocate half the available RAM as the maximum size for /dev. Your right. It's correct. Maybe I got distracted because of the 23Gb /mnt/share partition and spoke too early... -- T.G. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
-Original Message- From: Tero Grundstrm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 08:46 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Fernando Meira wrote: It is up to you how to rearrange them but I suggest that you have only these partitions for Gentoo: /boot / /home (optional but recommended) (+swap) You could have a separate /usr or /usr/portage partition so that when/if it runs out of space, your system continues to run despite the emerge coming to a halt. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Michael Kintzios wrote: -Original Message- From: Tero Grundstrm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 08:46 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Fernando Meira wrote: It is up to you how to rearrange them but I suggest that you have only these partitions for Gentoo: /boot / /home (optional but recommended) (+swap) You could have a separate /usr or /usr/portage partition so that when/if it runs out of space, your system continues to run despite the emerge coming to a halt. I don't don't know if this is very practical, atleast without a volume manager. Besides, isn't this taken care of by the filesystem already? I know that ext2/3 preserve a persentage of the partition size for root especially for these cases. -- T.G. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Fernando Meira wrote: Hi Tero, what I meant with redo my partitions was in the way that I will expand my gentoo partition (or try to). I have: # df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda4 4.6G 3.8G 803M 83% / udev 252M 808K 252M 1% /dev /dev/hda5 23G 20G 3.3G 86% /mnt/share /dev/hda1 9.8G 8.0G 1.8G 82% /mnt/windows none 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm Options: - erase hda1 (win$) and merge with with hda4. - somehow rearrange hda5 (which is FAT) and split it 2, and merge a part to hda4. The question is...can you live without the windows partition? if you don't need it I would look at this: 1) Merge hda1 and hda4. Assuming this is desktop box that should be plenty of space for the system and applications 2) Create a /boot partition (assuming you don't currently have one on your box that wasn't mounted when you did the df). This way if your system crashes at least /boot will not be corrupted. 3) Convert hda5 to ext3|reiserfs|jfs|mature non-fat fs of choice. Mount it as /home. 4) Consider creating a swap partition. Even if you have plenty of RAM, in my experience Linux just runs better with a swap partition mounted. I would strongly suggest that you do a full backup before doing any of this. I know there are partition resizing and reformatting utilities but they I wouldn't trust them without a backup. HTH -- spr -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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-Original Message- From: Tero Grundstrm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 11:21 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Michael Kintzios wrote: -Original Message- From: Tero Grundstrm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 08:46 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage [snip] You could have a separate /usr or /usr/portage partition so that when/if it runs out of space, your system continues to run despite the emerge coming to a halt. I don't don't know if this is very practical, atleast without a volume manager. Besides, isn't this taken care of by the filesystem already? I know that ext2/3 preserve a persentage of the partition size for root especially for these cases. Well, it has been practical enough for *my* needs. For a while I was running Gentoo on a small partition and having run aground on a couple of cases with a seized system during some mammoth emerge, I decided to set up a separate /usr partition. Thereafter, I was able to recover future incidents without having to boot the LiveCD. As you say, if someone is going to alter partition sizes often then LVM is the way to go. On the other hand if you have a good idea on how big your /usr/portage is or needs to be then my suggestion is a simple enough solution. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:00:49 +0100, Michael Kintzios wrote: Well, it has been practical enough for *my* needs. For a while I was running Gentoo on a small partition and having run aground on a couple of cases with a seized system during some mammoth emerge, I decided to set up a separate /usr partition. You don't need to add partitions, because portage isn't hard coded to use any particular partitions. If you run out of space during emerges, you only have to change $PORTAGE_TMPDIR to somewhere with more space than /var. Equally, you can change $DISTDIR to reduce the amount of space used in /usr/portage, you could even change it to a FAT32 partition of your Windows installation has more free space than Gentoo. -- Neil Bothwick I am NOT Paranoid! And why are you always watching me?? pgpQ4WahpeQd6.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Fernando Meira wrote:
Ok, so running through that forum I decided to try out some of the
scripts to clean stale distfiles.
The first one (distcleaner-0.0.2) returned a lot of errors. The second
(distmaint.py) was too weird. Finally, (distclean.sh) seemed to be ok,
and freed 255 MB. I could then end my emerge (eclipse). After the
emerge I end-up with 805Mb free.
As you say Holly, this is far from enough if I want to compile
something big and also maybe for smaller apps. Which means that I have
a problem.
In fact, I have a 38GB disk on my laptop. My mistake was that I
assumed that gentoo was not so space-consuming. Now I'll have to make
some modifications, redo my partitions. What I would like was to clean
once per all my windoz partition (9GB)... but from time to time I need
it.. unless I find a replacement to all the things I need from there.
Anyway, thanks for the replies.
If someone has a nice script to maintain distfiles under control let
me know. ;)
My preference, since I normally mount with noatime, is:
mount /u/p/distfiles -o remount,atime(yes, I keep distfiles on a
separate LVM volume!)
emerge --deep --emptytree --fetchonly world (updates atimes)
mount /u/p/distfiles -o remount,noatime
find /u/p/distfiles -amin +60 -exec rm -v {} \;
The above commands will remove all distfiles not needed anymore, either
due to updates or unmerge packages.
-Richard
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Hi, On 8/8/05, Tero Grundstr� [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Fernando Meira wrote: Hi Tero, what I meant with redo my partitions was in the way that I will expand my gentoo partition (or try to). I have: # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda4 4.6G 3.8G 803M 83% /^^ *might* be enough for a minimal system, but not for your compiles ordistfiles. Yep. I don't pretend to have a minimal system. In fact, my laptop is the only pc I currently use, so it has to have everything I need. udev 252M 808K 252M 1% /dev^^ Why a separate partition for /dev? This is complete waste. Especially with that size. As Neil said, it is a virtual filesystem. I didn't create it. What I did create was the swap partition with 512MB (the same size as my RAM) and it looks like it is split into two: udev and none. /dev/hda5 23G 20G 3.3G 86% /mnt/share^^ You'll *never* need that much space in here. Do not have this on a separate partition. Maybe you could make this partition your /home ? Well, this partition has the purpose to hold all my documents and stuff. My idea was to have a partition only to windoz and its programs, another to gentoo and its programs, and then this one accessed by both side. It started to be my /home but I had some problems with permissions in the beginning that I couldn't solve, so I had to move /home back to gentoo partition. /dev/hda1 9.8G 8.0G 1.8G 82% /mnt/windows^^ Complete waste ;) ehheh.. .yes! The problem is that I need some things from there. I really can't wait for the day when I don't waste disk space with crap. what are the advantages of pointing PORTAGE_TMPDIR and DISTDIR to other partitions? The idea is, ofcourse, to give your compiles and distfiles more room.This in turn would free up space for your system. Ok, but that is assuming that I can point them to other partition. But if I have other partition available, I can just merge it with gentoo's one and keep everything together. It would be the same, right? thanks for the localepurge tip: - Total disk space freed by localepurge: 48448K (not bad ;) Yeah, it's great. BTW, check out the 'userlocales' USE flag for glibc too.It will speed up the compilation and save some space. I'll have a look to that. Thanks! Fernando
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Hi Sean,On 8/8/05, Sean Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fernando Meira wrote: I have: # df -h FilesystemSizeUsed Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda4 4.6G3.8G803M83% / udev252M808K252M 1% /dev /dev/hda523G 20G3.3G86% /mnt/share /dev/hda1 9.8G8.0G1.8G82% /mnt/windows none252M 0252M 0% /dev/shm Options:- erase hda1 (win$) and merge with with hda4.- somehow rearrange hda5 (which is FAT) and split it 2, and merge a part to hda4.The question is...can you live without the windows partition? Well, maybe. The problem is that sometimes I need to use something that works only under windows (or better under windows). Besides that I only use windows for video-conference (I haven't found the time to look for a linux replacement, assuming that my webcam works under linux). if you don't need it I would look at this:1) Merge hda1 and hda4.Assuming this is desktop box that should be plenty of space for the system and applications Yes, that would be the best I could do. But, assuming that I can't remove entirely windows from my laptop, what about reduce it to it's minimum (windows + apps that I really need) and run it by VMware, always under Gentoo? The spare space from unused apps would merge it with gentoo's partition.. I estimate it of about 4Gb. What do you say about this? 2) Create a /boot partition (assuming you don't currently have one onyour box that wasn't mounted when you did the df).This way if your system crashes at least /boot will not be corrupted. My /boot is inside gentoo's partition. I understand the point of having it outside.. I should think of changing it!! Good point! 3) Convert hda5 to ext3|reiserfs|jfs|mature non-fat fs of choice.Mountit as /home. The reason it is FAT32 is to windows be able to access it. With windows away, I could do that. >From this partition (hda5) I may be able to free some space and move it to gentoo's partition. 4) Consider creating a swap partition.Even if you have plenty of RAM,in my experience Linux just runs better with a swap partition mounted. I have. 512mb swap. df shows it slitted into 2 other: udev and none I would strongly suggest that you do a full backup before doing any ofthis.I know there are partition resizing and reformatting utilities but they I wouldn't trust them without a backup. Yes, of course! Thanks for suggestions. Fernando.
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Hi Neil,On 8/8/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:00:49 +0100, Michael Kintzios wrote: Well, it has been practical enough for *my* needs.For a while I was running Gentoo on a small partition and having run aground on a couple of cases with a seized system during some mammoth emerge, I decided to set up a separate /usr partition.You don't need to add partitions, because portage isn't hard coded to useany particular partitions. If you run out of space during emerges, you only have to change $PORTAGE_TMPDIR to somewhere with more spacethan /var. Equally, you can change $DISTDIR to reduce the amount of spaceused in /usr/portage, you could even change it to a FAT32 partition of your Windows installation has more free space than Gentoo. So I can point them both to the FAT32 partition and get 1Gb back (when not emerging) to gentoo's system.. that's interesting! That could help me until I find a real solution to the mess on my pc... :)
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On 8/8/05, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My preference, since I normally mount with noatime, is:mount /u/p/distfiles -o remount,atime(yes, I keep distfiles on a
separate LVM volume!)emerge --deep --emptytree --fetchonly world(updates atimes)mount /u/p/distfiles -o remount,noatimefind /u/p/distfiles -amin +60 -exec rm -v {} \;The above commands will remove all distfiles not needed anymore, either
due to updates or unmerge packages.
This looks to be a very nice way to do it. It works in another way than
the scripts I been looking to. Instead of searching what should be
deprecated, it verifies that after an emerge world.. nice and simple!!
However, in this way you'll erase all other packages that you may need
in case you want to recompile them.. but maybe in this case, it's
better to download them again than keep ALL of them wasting your disk
space.
Other thing: I was not aware of LVM volumes, what are the advantages of using it to keep distfiles? And, how big is your volume?
Cheers,
Fernando
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Fernando Meira wrote: The question is...can you live without the windows partition? Well, maybe. The problem is that sometimes I need to use something that works only under windows (or better under windows). Besides that I only use windows for video-conference (I haven't found the time to look for a linux replacement, assuming that my webcam works under linux). mmhmm... the webcam / video-conference stuff is not something I have much expirience with either, sorry to say. As far as the other software is concerned I would look at the crossover office fork of wine (assuming that wine itself won't run it) or maybe some virtualization software such as vmare. if you don't need it I would look at this: 1) Merge hda1 and hda4. Assuming this is desktop box that should be plenty of space for the system and applications Yes, that would be the best I could do. But, assuming that I can't remove entirely windows from my laptop, what about reduce it to it's minimum (windows + apps that I really need) and run it by VMware, always under Gentoo? The spare space from unused apps would merge it with gentoo's partition.. I estimate it of about 4Gb. What do you say about this? With VMWare you create a virtual disk, which can be expanded as needed. This is one way to go. As mentioned Wine is the other. 3) Convert hda5 to ext3|reiserfs|jfs|mature non-fat fs of choice. Mount it as /home. The reason it is FAT32 is to windows be able to access it. With windows away, I could do that. Right. Keep in mind that with VMWare you can mount your linux home directory as a SMB share. Another advantage of a seperate /home is that you can reinstall the OS without effecting your important personal data and settings. I realize on your current system /mnt/share really handled some of that but thought I'd mention it as well. 4) Consider creating a swap partition. Even if you have plenty of RAM, in my experience Linux just runs better with a swap partition mounted. I have. 512mb swap. df shows it slitted into 2 other: udev and none OK... blury vision... that email was part of an allnighter. -- spr -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 14:54 -0400, Sean Reiser wrote: Fernando Meira wrote: The question is...can you live without the windows partition? Well, maybe. The problem is that sometimes I need to use something that works only under windows (or better under windows). Besides that I only use windows for video-conference (I haven't found the time to look for a linux replacement, assuming that my webcam works under linux). mmhmm... the webcam / video-conference stuff is not something I have much expirience with either, sorry to say. As far as the other software is concerned I would look at the crossover office fork of wine (assuming that wine itself won't run it) or maybe some virtualization software such as vmare. I don't have any experience with it, but gnomemeeting might be something you would be interested in -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:23:30 +, Fernando Meira wrote: You don't need to add partitions, because portage isn't hard coded to use any particular partitions. If you run out of space during emerges, you only have to change $PORTAGE_TMPDIR to somewhere with more space than /var. Equally, you can change $DISTDIR to reduce the amount of space used in /usr/portage, you could even change it to a FAT32 partition of your Windows installation has more free space than Gentoo. So I can point them both to the FAT32 partition and get 1Gb back (when not emerging) to gentoo's system.. that's interesting! That could help me until I find a real solution to the mess on my pc... :) I'm not sure whether $PORTAGE_TMPDIR would work on a FAT32 partition, because of the lack of permissions. -- Neil Bothwick -Come, come, why they couldn't hit an elephant from this dist- pgp77B5C3WYLi.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Hi, this is probably an old discussion, sorry for bring it up again. When I joined Gentoo (a few months ago) I got the idea that I could control very well the space that gentoo would require. That would be great because of my 4.6G available to it. Then, not so long time ago I got very surprised with how much less space available I had when I didn't have (almost) anything installed. Now it's completely full and I'm the middle of an emerge :( Well, tears apart, I would like to know if there's a good way to control the space usage of portage, since it is the reason for my problem. My /usr/portage and /var/tmp/portage/ take 2.2G which is almost half of the partition. What I have installed: - some (split) ebuilds of kde 3.4.1 - e16 - e17 - firefox - gimp - acrobat reader 7 - xmms, amsn (and maybe a few more small packages) What I've found until now: - clear /usr/portage/distfiles and /var/tmp/portage after an emerge, or regularly (using tmpreaper) - there are some users-made scripts (still buggy) that look for old ebuilds in portage tree and erases them (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-3011-highlight-portage+space+usage.html ) Any comments/ideas/scripts about this, or everyone has plenty space to spare... Cheers, Fernando
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Fernando Meira wrote: Hi, this is probably an old discussion, sorry for bring it up again. When I joined Gentoo (a few months ago) I got the idea that I could control very well the space that gentoo would require. That would be great because of my 4.6G available to it. Then, not so long time ago I got very surprised with how much less space available I had when I didn't have (almost) anything installed. Now it's completely full and I'm the middle of an emerge :( Well, tears apart, I would like to know if there's a good way to control the space usage of portage, since it is the reason for my problem. My /usr/portage and /var/tmp/portage/ take 2.2G which is almost half of the partition. What I have installed: - some (split) ebuilds of kde 3.4.1 - e16 - e17 - firefox - gimp - acrobat reader 7 - xmms, amsn (and maybe a few more small packages) What I've found until now: - clear /usr/portage/distfiles and /var/tmp/portage after an emerge, or regularly (using tmpreaper) - there are some users-made scripts (still buggy) that look for old ebuilds in portage tree and erases them (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-3011-highlight-portage+space+usage.html http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-3011-highlight-portage+space+usage.html) Any comments/ideas/scripts about this, or everyone has plenty space to spare... Cheers, Fernando Hi, Just checking the size of '/usr/portage' and it's quite 3 GB using reiserfs from which 1,4 GB is in 'distfiles' (source code) and 1,2 GB in 'packages' (binary packages in my case) so just portage is around 400 MB here. My '/var/tmp/portage' directory is (~430 MB) together with portage logs which are the most of it (PORT_LOGDIR=). You could erase all of '/var/tmp/portage' and '/usr/portage/distfiles' (you'll have to download the sources again though). Also check if using keepwork in your /etc/make.conf file if 'yes' remove it (specially in case not having disk space, same for buildpkg). For cleaning 'distfiles' i use distclean.py script. Try out emerge depclean -pv but watch out before removing the p afterwards. HTH. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
- Original Message - From: Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 7, 2005 10:22 pm Subject: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage Hi, this is probably an old discussion, sorry for bring it up again. When I joined Gentoo (a few months ago) I got the idea that I could control very well the space that gentoo would require. That would be great because of my 4.6G available to it. Then, not so long time ago I got very surprised with how much less space available I had when I didn't have (almost) anything installed. Now it's completely full and I'm the middle of an emerge :( Well, tears apart, I would like to know if there's a good way to control the space usage of portage, since it is the reason for my problem. My /usr/portage and /var/tmp/portage/ take 2.2G which is almost half of the partition. What I have installed: - some (split) ebuilds of kde 3.4.1 - e16 - e17 - firefox - gimp - acrobat reader 7 - xmms, amsn (and maybe a few more small packages) What I've found until now: - clear /usr/portage/distfiles and /var/tmp/portage after an emerge, or regularly (using tmpreaper) - there are some users-made scripts (still buggy) that look for old ebuilds in portage tree and erases them ( http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-3011-highlight- portage+space+usage.html) Any comments/ideas/scripts about this, or everyone has plenty space to spare... Cheers, Fernando As far as I know, that's pretty much what you can do (assuming that the cleaning of /var/tmp/portage occurs when you have a failed emerge as well, since failed emerges leave the temporary work files there until the emerge is either correctly completed, or you delete the files yourself). The thing is, it now depends to some degree on just what you are emerging, because as you fill your disk with emerged programs, and assuming that those programs don't reside on another disk (/usr, /var, /tmp, or /opt on another disk or partition than / ), you will lose the ability to compile certain programs that naturally take up more space than you have available during the emerge process. I'm thinking specifically of OpenOffice.org, which takes about 3GB just to emerge, but I suspect Mozilla and its ilk, and certain KDE programs may not be much better. Not to mention X.org or glibc. But from what you've said, even if /usr/portage/distfiles and /var/tmp/portage are empty, you wouldn't have enough space to emerge OO.o at this time, and possibly other high-end programs as well. Of course, you could just use the openoffice-bin package for that case. But not for every case that this might occur, and frankly, it's a losing proposition (either you have to be constantly on the ball as to how much space every program you want needs to emerge, or you have to give up some stuff). Less than 5GB is really not enough for a Gentoo install unless it's going to be *very* minimal. If I was you, I'd look around for an old 5 or 10 GB disk, slap it in the box and move /usr or /var (probably a better choice) to that, and then mount it to the / partition. Just my 0.02 Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Ok, so running through that forum I decided to try out some of the scripts to clean stale distfiles. The first one (distcleaner-0.0.2) returned a lot of errors. The second (distmaint.py) was too weird. Finally, (distclean.sh) seemed to be ok, and freed 255 MB. I could then end my emerge (eclipse). After the emerge I end-up with 805Mb free. As you say Holly, this is far from enough if I want to compile something big and also maybe for smaller apps. Which means that I have a problem. In fact, I have a 38GB disk on my laptop. My mistake was that I assumed that gentoo was not so space-consuming. Now I'll have to make some modifications, redo my partitions. What I would like was to clean once per all my windoz partition (9GB)... but from time to time I need it.. unless I find a replacement to all the things I need from there. Anyway, thanks for the replies. If someone has a nice script to maintain distfiles under control let me know. ;) Cheers, Fernando.On 8/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message -From: Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sunday, August 7, 2005 10:22 pmSubject: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage Hi, this is probably an old discussion, sorry for bring it up again. When I joined Gentoo (a few months ago) I got the idea that I could control very well the space that gentoo would require. That would be great because of my 4.6G available to it. Then, not so long time ago I got very surprised with how much less space available I had when I didn't have (almost) anything installed. Now it's completely full and I'm the middle of an emerge :( Well, tears apart, I would like to know if there's a good way to control the space usage of portage, since it is the reason for my problem. My /usr/portage and /var/tmp/portage/ take 2.2G which is almost half of the partition. What I have installed: - some (split) ebuilds of kde 3.4.1 - e16 - e17 - firefox - gimp - acrobat reader 7 - xmms, amsn (and maybe a few more small packages) What I've found until now: - clear /usr/portage/distfiles and /var/tmp/portage after an emerge, or regularly (using tmpreaper) - there are some users-made scripts (still buggy) that look for old ebuilds in portage tree and erases them ( http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-3011-highlight- portage+space+usage.html) Any comments/ideas/scripts about this, or everyone has plenty space to spare... Cheers, FernandoAs far as I know, that's pretty much what you can do (assuming that the cleaning of /var/tmp/portage occurs when you have a failed emergeas well, since failed emerges leave the temporary work files there until the emerge is either correctly completed, or you delete the filesyourself).The thing is, it now depends to some degree on just what you are emerging, because as you fill your disk with emerged programs, andassuming that those programs don't reside on another disk (/usr, /var, /tmp, or /opt on another disk or partition than / ), you will losethe ability to compile certain programs that naturally take up more space than you have available during the emerge process.I'm thinking specifically of OpenOffice.org, which takes about 3GB just to emerge, but I suspect Mozilla and its ilk, and certain KDEprograms may not be much better. Not to mention X.org or glibc. But from what you've said, even if /usr/portage/distfilesand /var/tmp/portage are empty, you wouldn't have enough space to emerge OO.o at this time, and possibly other high-end programs as well.Of course, you could just use the openoffice-bin package for that case. But not for every case that this might occur, and frankly, it's alosing proposition (either you have to be constantly on the ball as to how much space every program you want needs to emerge, or you haveto give up some stuff).Less than 5GB is really not enough for a Gentoo install unless it's going to be *very* minimal. If I was you, I'd look around for an old 5or 10 GB disk, slap it in the box and move /usr or /var (probably a better choice) to that, and then mount it to the / partition.Just my 0.02Holly--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Fernando Meira wrote: Ok, so running through that forum I decided to try out some of the scripts to clean stale distfiles. The first one (distcleaner-0.0.2) returned a lot of errors. The second (distmaint.py) was too weird. Finally, (distclean.sh) seemed to be ok, and freed 255 MB. I could then end my emerge (eclipse). After the emerge I end-up with 805Mb free. As you say Holly, this is far from enough if I want to compile something big and also maybe for smaller apps. Which means that I have a problem. In fact, I have a 38GB disk on my laptop. My mistake was that I assumed that gentoo was not so space-consuming. Now I'll have to make some modifications, redo my partitions. What I would like was to clean once per all my windoz partition (9GB)... but from time to time I need it.. unless I find a replacement to all the things I need from there. Anyway, thanks for the replies. If someone has a nice script to maintain distfiles under control let me know. ;) Cheers, Fernando. Not a script, but I have some machines with /usr/portage NFS'd to a server (I'm thinking about doing the same with /var/tmp/portage/ also, but don't know how to lock it to avoid colisions). If you have a desktop, you can do the same, and also use distcc to accelerate the builds. Francisco -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Fernando Meira wrote: I could then end my emerge (eclipse). After the emerge I end-up with 805Mb free. In fact, I have a 38GB disk on my laptop. My mistake was that I assumed that gentoo was not so space-consuming. Now I'll have to make some modifications, redo my partitions. 805Mb is not much but re-partitioning might not be the only answer if most of your system is installed already. Look for PORTAGE_TMPDIR and DISTDIR in your /etc/make.conf. Point them to directories that are on a different partition. You can do the same for your PORTDIR (resync and delete the old tree after this). app-admin/localepurge can also save you some space. HTH -- T.G. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to control portage space usage
Hi Tero, what I meant with redo my partitions was in the way that I will expand my gentoo partition (or try to). I have: # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda4 4.6G 3.8G 803M 83% / udev 252M 808K 252M 1% /dev /dev/hda5 23G 20G 3.3G 86% /mnt/share /dev/hda1 9.8G 8.0G 1.8G 82% /mnt/windows none 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm Options: - erase hda1 (win$) and merge with with hda4. - somehow rearrange hda5 (which is FAT) and split it 2, and merge a part to hda4. what are the advantages of pointing PORTAGE_TMPDIR and DISTDIR to other partitions? thanks for the localepurge tip: - Total disk space freed by localepurge: 48448K (not bad ;) Cheers, Fernando On 8/7/05, Tero Grundstr� [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Fernando Meira wrote: I could then end my emerge (eclipse). After the emerge I end-up with 805Mb free. In fact, I have a 38GB disk on my laptop. My mistake was that I assumed that gentoo was not so space-consuming. Now I'll have to make some modifications, redo my partitions.805Mb is not much but re-partitioning might not be the only answer if mostof your system is installed already. Look for PORTAGE_TMPDIR and DISTDIR in your /etc/make.conf. Point themto directories that are on a different partition. You can do the same foryour PORTDIR (resync and delete the old tree after this). app-admin/localepurge can also save you some space.HTH--T.G.--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
