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(Linus claims to be against micro-kernels. It turns out he just doesn't
understand that is exactly what he created :)
I take the opposite philosophy. RMS could have claimed to have successfully
finished the GNU operating system after he distributed emacs.
md
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On Monday 12 June 2006 12:16 pm, Paul Lussier wrote:
(Linus claims to be against micro-kernels. It turns out he just
doesn't understand that is exactly what he created :)
Not exactly. I believe it is the Mach Kernel and similar types of
microkernels that use message passing via some form of
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you're like me and don't want or need a GUI file manager or icons
on the desktop or all that other stuff, that stuff really is just a
waste of RAM. I suppose there are those who want that kind of thing.
Me, I'll stick with my trusty screen full of
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 12:55:06PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote:
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you're like me and don't want or need a GUI file manager or icons
on the desktop or all that other stuff, that stuff really is just a
waste of RAM. I suppose there are those who want
On 6/8/06, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You two remind me of a developer I once worked with who had a Sun 20
running emacs in text mode on the console.
I would never do that. I'd miss out on being able to resize each
xterm to fit the right amount of text for the task at hand.
On Thursday 08 June 2006 1:36 pm, Mark Komarinski wrote:
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 12:55:06PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote:
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you're like me and don't want or need a GUI file manager or
icons on the desktop or all that other stuff, that stuff really is
On 6/6/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a side note... I have been a little surprised at how much disk and
memory I need for a reasonable flavor of Linux.
Most Linux distributions tend to keep pace with technology.
Unfortunately, that means their system requirements have risen
Peg,
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As a side note... I have been a little surprised at how much disk and
memory I need for a reasonable flavor of Linux... For some reason,
I'd always thought I'd easily find an interesting Linux that would do as
much, without requiring so much effort to get it
On 6/6/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
once I trimmed out a little of the extra crud... in particular
switching to a low-demand X window manager helped.
This is a good idea even on modern systems. Gnome and KDE are huge
resource hogs ...
Indeed. Until last month, my main home PC
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Try SLAX, it's another small one but really optimized for Pretty.
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From: Bill Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm beginning to see the same thing... For example, I looked at the
Xubuntu
Somebody on this channel (maybe even me) can probably
provide you with some additional RAM if we can figure
out what sort you need. For example, I have a couple
of 64Mb SODIMMs available now that I've replaced them
with 256Mb versions in my little laptop...
Peggy,
I have not seen anyone mention this, so here goes:
Some of the large memory requirements of a system are to allow installation
using the X Window system, a RAM disk, plus the kernel and the installation
programs. After the system is installed, the requirements of a lot of this
go away.
On the Java side for small memory ... if Java doesn't work out of the
box on 40MB, try J2ME.
http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=31733
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From: Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Peggy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Bill Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...
Peggy,
I have
Very weird... I've installed Debian in less than 512 MB with X. (On a
CF card, actually.) I'd recommend a very minimal initial install,
then apt-get (or whatever) only the things you specifically need.
(I've done an install in 256 MB CF, but had to do some install-time
gymnastics to do so...I
With Ubuntu, you used to be able to do a server install, which I believe was a more minimal install than the regular Ubuntu install. However, I've only just started playing with the new Ubuntu LiveCD/installation hybrid, so I'm not sure how you would go about it. Perhaps it is still be an option
Well.. to my surprise, I WAS able to boot from the CD. I started up the
Ubunu install, but it got caught up at:
ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
If I did my googling right, that means it can't find a Root System
Description Pointer for the Advanced Configuration Power Interface...
which I'm
On 6/5/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I started up the Ubunu install, but it got caught up at:
ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
If I did my googling right, that means ...
Yah. In short, ACPI isn't there or is really broken. This is not unusual.
What is ACPI, you ask? It's a way
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I found some reference to turning this off via a kernel parameter ...
Yes. I think the syntax is acpi=off.
We've got grub kernel params of 'noapic', is there also a noacpi?
A quick googling for noacpi yields 'pci=noacpi' references.
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Paul
On 6/5/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/5/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started up the Ubunu install, but it got caught up at: ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP If I did my googling right, that means ...
Yah.In short, ACPI isn't there or is really broken.This is not unusual.My
Last place I worked we had some kernels that
(counterintuitively) needed to be booted with
both of these:
noacpi acpi=off
...and Didn't you mean noapic? was definitely
an FAQ.
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I've run Debian recently on a 586/133 (AMD of some sort?) with 64 MB
of RAM, and it was fine once I trimmed out a little of the extra
crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager
helped. I can't remember which I ended up using, unfortunately, but
it was based on googling for
Drew Van Zandt wrote:
I've run Debian recently on a 586/133 (AMD of some sort?) with 64 MB
of RAM, and it was fine once I trimmed out a little of the extra
crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager
helped. I can't remember which I ended up using, unfortunately, but
it
CDrom boot works, excellent.
The Xubuntu CD is supposed to be better for old hardware than
Ubuntu, you could try that. DSL will download quicker, it's *small*
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On 6/5/06, John Abreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like Matchbox is the favorite embedded WM, according to google.
http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/
The screen shots seem to imply that it's designed for PDAs,
cellphones, and the like. Might not be the best choice for a regular
PC
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CDrom boot
Try SLAX, it's another small one but really optimized for Pretty.
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On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 21:06 -0400, Tech Writer wrote:
At this point, I just hear a lot of disk spinning for MANY MANY
minutes... then the screen clears, and still more disk spinning... but
nothing appears to be happening... eventually, it all just stops.
I just installed Ubuntu (on a much
on old laptop - still trying...
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 21:06 -0400, Tech Writer wrote:
At this point, I just hear a lot of disk spinning for MANY MANY
minutes... then the screen clears, and still more disk spinning... but
nothing appears to be happening... eventually, it all just stops.
I just
I'm beginning to see the same thing... For example, I looked at the Xubuntu
kit, and it requires 128MB for a Hard Drive install.
Is that Xubuntu's RAM requirement or Drive requirement?
Yes, compare the minimums of each distro against what you've got, it's
easier than trying it.
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RAM I've got 40MB, so I'm way below this requirement.
Ouch, I missed focusing on that number on your first message. That
tightens things significantly. That will be a problem for pretty much
any graphical desktop that isn't really lean.
DSL says 16MB 486 is ok. I don't know what else can work
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