Peter Korn wrote:
Assume that without GL, we can have a magnifier of quality 5, and with
GL a magnifier of quality 10 (just an assumption for sake of argument,
please bear with me). Since GL now runs on even somewhat older video
hardware, and you can get a GL card for not much money if you
Hi Peter,
Thanks for taking the long view on this and asking good questions on how
we can increase the constructive activity within our community.
Peter Korn wrote:
One place I continue hoping will become a real source of energy are the
disability organizations - like various national
Calum Benson wrote:
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:03 -0500, Al Puzzuoli wrote:
Hi all,
I've noticed that by default in Feisty, the administration menu seems to be
gone, and all of the functions it contained can now be accessed via the
gnome-control-center.
FWIW, this is a proposal
Al Puzzuoli wrote:
Hi all,
I've noticed that by default in Feisty, the administration menu seems to be
gone, and all of the functions it contained can now be accessed via the
gnome-control-center. My concern is that unless I'm missing something,
there doesn't seem to be a way to navigate
Kenny Hitt wrote:
Hi.
I haven't figured out a way to run gnome-terminal under gdb with speech.
Since all terminals close during the crash, I can't use gnome-terminal.
If I use xterm to run gdb, I don't have access to gdb. Any ideas on how
to get a stack trace would be apreciated.
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
Kenny Hitt wrote:
Hi.
I haven't figured out a way to run gnome-terminal under gdb with speech.
Since all terminals close during the crash, I can't use gnome-terminal.
If I use xterm to run gdb, I don't have access to gdb. Any ideas on how
to get a stack trace
Hi all,
Another controversial post to g-a ...
I'm currently looking at GDM accessibility and it strikes me that there
is a strong case for doing this without using AT-SPI. The themed version
currently does not work properly with the AT-SPI features and on the
plain greeter version there is
Ian Pascoe wrote:
OK, next question what about multi user systems? Again I think if any of
the users have Assistive Technologies enabled you would need to load that up
as default as until the log in screen is completed you won't know which user
is logging in. At After log in AT-SPI could
Bill Haneman wrote:
Actually by themed version you are referring to branding-type
themes; the existing gdmlogin screen DOES work quite well with
accessibility-related themes, for instance large print, high contrast,
inverse, etc. etc.
Right, but how many distros use that as their default?
Brian Cameron wrote:
I suppose it might be possible to code an on-screen keyboard directly
into GDM, but this might be more work than you think. Note GOK supports
dwell mode so that it works for users who can only manipulate a single
button. Making an on-screen keyboard that supports the
Hi All,
George has written a first version of a tab for Preferred Application
where one can select the ATs for different categories and whether they
should launch at boot.
Some people have concerns about the classification of ATs (should
gnome-mag be launchable from here, is if fair to put
Bill Haneman wrote:
Hi Henrik:
Thanks for doing the mock-up. I like this idea.
I would suggest adding the 'description' bar (like the one in
add/remove applications)
to the AT configuration dialog, so the user could see more info about
the applications before selecting them for
George Kraft IV wrote:
Is Henrik's proposed Assistive Technology Applications dialog a new
gnome feature instead of the existing Assistive Technology
Preferences, or the previously proposed Preferred Applications
enhancement? Or is Henrik's proposal an Ubuntu feature? Should I
continue
Bill Haneman wrote:
Michael:
You can use orca with DECtalk. To do so, you will need to rebuild
gnome-speech, since by default the DECtalk driver is not built and
installed. I believe that gnome-speech will build and install the
DECtalk drivers if DECtalk is detected on your system when
Hi all,
I've been working with Gilles Casse of Oralux on a spec for better
multilingual speech support in Ubuntu, and as it happens, the crux comes
down to support for eSpeak in Orca. Let me explain ...
The aim of the MultilingualSpeechSynthesis spec is to extend our current
provision to
Peter Parente wrote:
The purpose of this release is to publicly announce the change of license on
the LSR code base from the Common Public License to the New Berkeley Software
Distribution License (BSD) official and public.
Excellent news! Congratulations!
Henrik
Eric Magnus wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to remaster the Edgy Eft Live
CD so that the F5 - 3 screenreader option is permanently enabled? Can
I do this as an option in isolinux.cfg, or is it something more
involved than that? Also, is there any way I can create a
Cleverson wrote:
Hi all
My suggestion is that we don't have a single laptop layout, but perhaps
three to five layouts matching several kinds of keyboards.
I think we should try to avoid this if we can. A single keyboard layout
for laptops will be easier to maintain and support (such as
David Bolter wrote:
Henrik, All,
Hi. I'm just wondering if it might be helpful for everyone involved or
interested in free/open-source on-screen keyboard (or alternative input
software) development to get together in one place or on one phone call
to educate each other on our plans and
David Bolter wrote:
Great! Let us know when the wiki page has an URL you can share.
I've just made a quick start on it here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/OSK-ng
I've ambitiously called it OSK Next Generation :) I'm not implying that
a completely new app will arise from
Ian Pascoe wrote:
Hi All
A bad news, good news story.
The ubiquity installer is still quite new and has had some issues.
I would actually recommend you try the latest, soon to be released as
final, Edgy Eft version. Both the installer and the access tools are
more mature.
We will have
Peter Korn wrote:
So, I would like to propose that we designate one day during the
Ubuntu summit as an accessibility focus day. For purely selfish
reasons, I'd like to suggest that day be Monday November 6th (since
I'll be on a plane on the 7th). This isn't to prevent accessibility
to the initial planning of the Ubuntu Edgy+1 accessibility
features.
Henrik Nilsen Omma
Ubuntu Accessibility Coordinator
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Hello!
Time: Oct, 23rd, 19:00 UTC
Place: #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net
Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda
We recently had an Accessibility team meeting where we focused on
getting the Edgy Eft release tested and polished. We also did a quick
round of
Eduardo Trápani wrote:
Hi,
I'll talking about accessibility in general and I would love to show a
(more or less) working linux desktop solution for blind people since
everybody I know uses Jaws/Windows :(.
What should I install to be able to show that? Gnome, KDE, it does not
matter as
hank smith wrote:
is this going to be implimented in the latest unbuntu coming out in a few
weeks?
Generally not. We will use Orca 1.0 (or 2.16 by the new system), but we
have taken some of these patches.
Henrik
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Daniel Ruoso wrote:
I think that these filters could be implemented easily in gnome-mag.
Probably Bill and Willie can give more advices about it.
The question is that colorblindness filters aren't exactly related to
screen magnifier. I'm colorblind, but I don't need a screen magnifier.
Peter Korn wrote:
Hi Anna,
There are two head-mice that present themselves as USB mice: the
Madentec Tracker (see
http://www.madentec.com/products/comaccess/tracker/tracker.html) and
Origin Systems HeadMouse (see
http://orin.com/access/headmouse/index.htm). Both cost roughly $1,000.
Peter Korn wrote:
I agree with Peter that those are the devices that are known to work,
but it would be very nice to get the SmartNav or similar working
since it's so affordable. Perhaps I should get one and challenge the
Ubuntu community to write a driver ...
Or perhaps a Google Summer
Petra Ritter wrote:
Hello,
is the accessibility boot option 'Screen Reader' on the beta versions
found, on http://www.ubuntu.com/news/EdgyBeta, enabled? So that I have
to press F5 and to select 'Screen Reader when the screen with the
boot options comes up in order to get the accessibility
Jason White wrote:
What this means is that BRLTTY is working correctly, but Orca isn't setting up
braille support properly.
Those more experienced with Orca should be able to help further.
Unfortunately I'm not one of those, but if someone can show me how to
make this Just Work (or close
Petra Ritter wrote:
hello Brette Luck,
Brette Luck wrote:
Sorry for the last posting.
I think this is going to be a great opportunity to get feedback to the
community about where the accessibility technologies need work so that
they can reach an even broader audience. First, however
Thomas Ward wrote:
Yes and no. Before you can run orca setup and use the Dectalk you will
have to recompile gnome-speech from source in order to get the Dectalk
software driver. Ubuntu do to some license issue can not include a
Dectalk Software driver for gnome-speech on the live cd and
Bill Haneman wrote:
Mike/All:
I think audacity uses WxWindows and not gtk+ directly. Thus stock gtk+
widgets are not being used, as I understand it, and the app is not
accessible.
Just to follow up: I tested Jokosher the other day with Orca, and it
seems to work fine. See:
Keith Watson wrote:
Anyway, my first reply asked for clarification on this. I would
like to know exactly how to disable the splash on the edgy cd. I
have not had good luck with this on 2 out of the 3 Dell systems
that I am attempting to run it on.
On the first boot menu of the Live CD
Cheryl Homiak wrote:
Well, that's no help!!! If the splash is my problem, and i don't know
for sure about that, I simply can't use the cd s I don't have sighted
assistance. I hope you aren't planning on leaving the cd this way; I
do realize this is still under development and I don't
Willie Walker wrote:
On the latest Ubuntu Edgy on my x86 laptop, I get BrlTTY 3.7.2 to work
with my Baum Vario 40 display using the following command as root:
brltty -d/dev/ttyUSB0
It would be nice not to have to use root to start brltty. I filed an
Ubuntu bug about it a few days ago,
Cheryl Homiak wrote:
I am totally puzzled about this. Dapper Drake boots fine on my main
linux computer; so does grml so it's not my cdrom causing the
problem. the ppc version of ubuntu boots fine on my mac--never mind
that I can't get sound to work and can't get brltty to work--it does
Thomas Ward wrote:
An OCR program so i can read my mail and i could say bye bye to
Windows.
Well, there are a few OCR solutions. I haven't played around with them
much but there is GOCR, clara, and there is a commercial OCR program for
Linux as well based on Omnipages engine.
As
Cheryl Homiak wrote:
I appear
to have created nice coasters instead of bootable cds as the iso
seems to start up and then reboots my machine; this happens forever
until I remove the iso. The md5sums are ok.
Just checking: are you sure you are burning the ISOs correctly? You
might want
Chris Jones wrote:
Keyboard are primarily used as text input devices. Almost all other
functions can be handled by the pointer input including the menus. If
the menus are too small a target to hit one possible work around would
be to increase the font size.
I think we should start
Al Puzzuoli wrote:
Hi all,
I'm running Edgy with Gnome 2.15, and am experiencing major weirdness in
terms of accessibility when attempting to use it with Orca.
Some of the issues I've noticed are as follows:
1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one account,
a
Petra Ritter wrote:
Hello,
I have downloadet the Image of Edgy alva version desktop
Is there no Orca on it yet? I dom't have any speach after the system
has started finish and I can't find orca.
Sorry, no Orca is not yet on the Edgy CD.
There are also rumours that speech is broken in
MICHAEL WEAVER wrote:
Does this also mean I have to try and disable the drums that sound
before I type my login information?
No, those are for the system (all users) while you should just disable
the ESD sound mixing in gnome for your user account.
When I disable the sounds do they all
Thomas Ward wrote:
However, to run orca setup you must be running 0.2.5 or later. The version on
most of the Ubuntu mirrors in packages is 0.2.2. Although, I have heard some
one has a 0.2.5 package they specially built for users such as yourself.
Luke has made a package for 0.2.5. See:
Petra Ritter wrote:
Hello,
My suggestion is to turn on the accessibility Technology by default
and to have accesskeys to start Gnopernicus or what ever program they
use for persons with motor difficulties. I assuming that the for 'Lesser
visual impairment' there use just another theme to
Bill Haneman wrote:
Hi Petra:
In the most recent versions of Gnome, assistive technology support is on
by default. The access keys idea is a reasonable one, and I think it
would greatly improve the Ubuntu accessibility experience for screen
reader and onscreen keyboard users.
Agreed. For
Bill Haneman wrote:
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 12:41, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
Our plan is to go ahead with the new
technology and deal with the problems as they arise.
If by this you mean that you will ship SOK in preference to GOK in
Ubuntu, I think you are making a mistake
Bill Haneman wrote:
Making GOK's function keys appear in a separate keyboard would not be
difficult, nor would making GOK's window a fixed size.
Cool, let's make it an easy-to select option.
However a fixed
size window will limit the options you can present to a user when using
GOK's
Bill Haneman wrote:
In the beginning we tried to give guidance, but I got the distinct
impression that it was going to /dev/null.This is why I am
frustrated - lots of behind-the-scenes vague griping, without GOK bugs
and seemingly without a willingness to engage cooperatively to improve
Calum Benson wrote:
2.15 is the bleeding edge, unstable, development version... as such,
you'll probably have to build it yourself if you really want it, and
it probably won't be fun. If you're comfortable doing that, you
could use something like garnome to do the grunt work for you:
Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote:
Hello. Somebody said that that there was a way to do an unattended install
of
Ubuntu with the alternate CD. I've looked on ubuntu.com for the installation
manual, but I haven't been able to find it. Where can I get the installation
manual or at least
Ryan Mann wrote:
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:22:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: followup on Ubuntu
Hello. Somebody said that that there was a way to do an unattended install
of
Ubuntu with the
Bill Haneman wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 22:28, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
Bill, is it an accessibility violation to have unusable accessibility tools?
Are you going to say something helpful?
OK, I should have resisted that last line, sorry.
But there is a valid point under
Peter Korn wrote:
It has proven very useful to the GNOME accessibility project - and to
advancing the support for assistive technologies and the
implementation of ATK and AT-SPI - to have a screen reader, screen
magnifier, and on-screen keyboard included as a formal part of GNOME.
By
Janina Sajka wrote:
Mike Pedersen writes:
We have been informed, however, that there can be only one screen
reader/magnifier in the GNOME desktop.
That's a rather outrageous attitude. Who made that decision?
Are they also prepared to have only one web browser? ONly one media
player?
Bram Duvigneau wrote:
Gnopernicus is running quite well from the cd, but I had to do a few
steps to get the installer talking:
- - - Launch gnopernicus
- - - Enable assistive technology support
- - - Log out and in again
- - - Launch gnopernicus from terminal, otherwise gnome-panel crshes
- - -
Jude DaShiell wrote:
What's the procedure for downloading the accessible version of dapper
drake using bittorrent? bittorrent is working with difficulty on this
machine; I hae podracer working. I also need a command to get the
public key of the package signer since I don't want to waste time
Hi all,
(sorry for cross-posting again)
The Ubuntu Accessibility Team is hosting up to three development
projects during this year's Summer of Code. The SoC scheme is an
opportunity to break some new ground and so we are focusing on new
tools. There are technologies coming on line such as
Olaf Jan Schmidt wrote:
I am already step upas a mentor for KDe-related accessibility SoC projects,
and of course I would be willing to co-mentor any accessibility SoC projects
received at Ubuntu (at least if they are not planned to be Gtk-only).
Cool! Now let's just hope we get some good
Peter Korn wrote:
For the on-screen keyboard, please consider doing something like gok
--simple (assuming folks like David Bolter agree). There is enough
overlap that keeping common code common would be nice
That is certainly an option. I will need to discuss this with the
student who takes
Hynek Hanke wrote:
Henrik píše v Ne 23. 04. 2006 v 17:36 +0100:
There are several new AT apps coming on line that need settings panels.
From the user's perspective it would be preferable to have a single
interface for all the AT on the free desktop. The challenge of course is
that we are
Janina Sajka wrote:
Seems to me the browser based configuration tool which Tomas Cerha
mentioned makes the most sense. Works across allenvironments--even
remotely, if someone can log in.
I think all the points raised so far speak in favour of having a
flexible configuration that can support
Al Puzzuoli wrote:
Hi all,
Just wondering what would need to happen in order to get Orca officially
added as part of the desktop, and to ultimately have it become the
default screen reader for the gnome environment?
I understand that gnome 2.14 was just released, and that Orca itself is
Hello,
We are working on packaging screen reader support for the Ubuntu Live
CD, but have gotten ourselves a little confused regarding file sizes ...
Being a Live CD we are quite limited on disk space. We were thinking
that we should use the smaller F-lite, rather than the full Festival,
Bill Haneman wrote:
Henrik:
I think Flite uses the same file format. ( Will, please correct me if
I'm wrong).
By same format you mean the same speech files? So what is the main
benefit of F-lite, a smaller memory footprint? (and java cross-platformness)
It also requires a Java JRE, are you
Calum Benson wrote:
This is a new voice recognition project for GNOME:
http://glec.umanizales.edu.co/index.php/corporate/proyectos/gervoice
I've took a look at it, and they seem to be using the IBM voice
recognition engine. BTW, the website is written in Spanish..
If it's the original ViaVoice
I'm setting up a structured testing matrix for basic desktop tasks
across a few Generic User Descriptions (GUDs). Note: most of the ideas
and categories for this are borrowed from the Gnome Sanity Test Suite:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/sanity-testing/index.html
I've set up a
David Bolter wrote:
We are happy to add authors to:
http://larswiki.atrc.utoronto.ca/wiki
Perhaps you should consider opening it up as an actual wiki. I think
that would encourage more people to contribute. I'm involved in running
several Moin wikis and we really don't seem to have any
Hi all,
I've written up a fairly detailed review of GOK here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Reviews/GOK
It is meant partially as an introduction to those who don't know the
program, but mainly as a critical look that can hopefully stimulate
discussion and further development.
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It makes sense to me too, but we don't count Bill ;-) We're too deep inside.
Well, exactly. Now that I've had it explained, I see it too, but I was
wearing my no nonsense user advocate hat when writing that. I'm not
trying to be unreasonably controversial, just
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
My name is Max Tappenden. I am 16 years old and am visually impaired. I
have been referred to this list by my IT teacher to get some help setting
up gnopernicus on Ubuntu 5.10.
Hey Max,
Welcome to Linux and Ubuntu!
I'm sure you'll get good advice on this
Hi,
I just wanted to share with the list the results of some experiments
that I've been doing with speech recognition (on Linux, sort of).
Basically, I'm using two machines next to each other, one running
Windows and the other with Linux and I pipe the text signal from the one
to the other
Hi,
I was inspired by this thread last month:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2005-September/msg00104.html
to encourage more people to perform these sorts of self tests.
Testing of general usability can now be seen here:
http://www.betterdesktop.org/welcome/ which is
Hello,
I have a comment about the way the Assistive Technology features are
organised and presented in gnome (and a suggestion for improvement).
This touches on a bit more than just the AT features themselves, so I
should probably send this to some general gnome devel list as well
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