Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
From an outsider, it seems that more manpower WOULD be better, within reason. It seems to me that creating software should be somewhat similar to any other engineering project. My hospital has been adding a new wing for the last year or so, and it certainly wouldn't have gone up faster if there

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread Larry Andreassen
Comparing small and large team projects I've been involved with... Small teams... Do the work... Large teams... Do the process... By process I mean a pre-defined set of steps, documents and stages. And, often these stages do not fit naturally withthe work. On 10/5/05, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread A. Forrey
My take on this is that The Process is a guide not a catechism and the pre-defined set of steps, documents and stages is a reminder of what may need to be considered and developed to facilitate the Work. In the M/VistA environment this may be different than that in other work settings. The

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Process isn't the problem, so much as the degree to which process consumes so much of our time and energy. I fear that we tend to think that the right process will somehow prove a panacea -- or we become so focused on process that tend to neglect other aspects, well, of the activity of software

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread A. Forrey
My point is that using information about proces can be useful but it is never a panacea but too many times folks like to skip over aspects that they should think about, even if they'd like to ignore it. THOUGHT should never be ignored but is often provoked by reminders. No need to belabor that

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Exactly. My complaint was not that there were books (even many books) about process in the Software Engineering section, but that there was essentially nothing else. I also found it quite tellintg that there was a separate section named Programming. Do you see separate sections for electrical

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-05 Thread Ruben Safir
Clearly, large software projects can be daunting, and clearly it is not enough simply to know a language and a DBMS. There is a LOT more that goes into making projects succeed. Sadly, though, in softwre engineering, we do not take the technical side of the discipline nearly as seriously as

RE: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-04 Thread Michael Spraggins
:51 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste I have I heard this before as an aphorism with a lot fewer word but exactly the same meaning. As I recall, I heard Rick Marshall pass it on as a quote from someone else about

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-04 Thread whitten
Any ideas on why I'm getting this error when running Cache conversion? NEWMACError:DiskHardNewMac+8^%SYSCONV Recompile Error:DiskhardSrcLoop^%SYSCONV Thanks in advance Mike These errors indicate a disk-hard error ie: the hard disk is generating errors back to the operating

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-04 Thread chuck5566
One that comes to mind starts something like There's never enough to do right. . .;-) On Oct 3, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Nancy Anthracite wrote: I have I heard this before as an aphorism with a lot fewer word but exactly the same meaning. As I recall, I heard Rick Marshall pass it on

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-04 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I have been trying to recall, but I think it is something like doubling the number of programmers quadruples the time it takes to complete the project ...or something like that. On Tuesday 04 October 2005 07:25 pm, chuck5566 wrote: One that comes to mind starts something like There's never

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-04 Thread Ben Mehling
On 10/4/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been trying to recall, but I think it is something like doubling thenumber of programmers quadruples the time it takes to complete theproject ...or something like that. On Oct 3, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Nancy Anthracite wrote: I have I

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-04 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Fred Brooks was a hopeless optimist. ===Gregory Woodhouse[EMAIL PROTECTED]"One must shy away from questionable undertakings,  even when they have a high sounding name."--Albert Einstein On Oct 4, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Ben Mehling wrote:On 10/4/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been

[Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-03 Thread Greg Woodhouse
From today's ACM Tech News: Development Study: Haste Makes Waste Computerworld (09/23/05); Hayes, Linda A recent study has found that increased funding has little impact on the overall quality of a project. Qualitative Software Management's estimation product, known as SLIM, provides an

Re: [Hardhats-members] Development Study: Haste Makes Waste

2005-10-03 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I have I heard this before as an aphorism with a lot fewer word but exactly the same meaning. As I recall, I heard Rick Marshall pass it on as a quote from someone else about what happens when you add more programmers to a project. On Monday 03 October 2005 05:23 pm, Greg Woodhouse wrote: