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Including of course south of the border!
I wonder how many know that Mexico is
The United States of Mexico = Estados Unidos Mexicanos
refer wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
which does not correctly identify
In 1f8c422420f14fec8c413c54d2763...@ericnbpc, on 07/24/2010
at 02:18 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said:
Two threads about how to pronounce CICS! And then, it vears off to
hardware. (Not the computer kind). Are we at a new low?
No; we could have been discussing whether to
You mean Jekyll...
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And there is JAY-SILL (JCL), the first
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I had an SE many years ago that did say S-N-A as SNAH. Confused me every time.
I've never heard anyone try to say R-J-E as a word. What you you use, reggie?
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Including of course south of the border!
I wonder how many know that Mexico is
The United States of Mexico = Estados Unidos Mexicanos
refer wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
which does not correctly identify the United States of America in the second
sentence.
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So what's the advantage in having both Allen and Robertson screws?
They seem to do the same thing.
Allen keys are usually used
Subject: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)
Including of course south of the border!
I wonder how many know that Mexico is
The United States of Mexico = Estados Unidos Mexicanos
refer wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
which does not correctly identify the United States of America
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Bruce Hewson bruce_hew...@hotmail.comwrote:
snip
refer wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
which does not correctly identify the United States of America in the
second
sentence.
So fix it...
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Onderwerp: Re: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)
So, what do we in the United States of America call ourselves. We've been
called Americans, Americanos, or some other variation probably every since
we became a country. However, I was in Bolivia one year and when I said to one
On 27 Jul 2010 00:03:45 -0700, maarten.slegtenho...@mail.ing.nl
(Maarten Slegtenhorst) wrote:
On the matter of screws:
I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws and in time the torx-hole
becomes a round hole.
Allan-screws are a bit better but still have the same problem.
I personally
On 27 Jul 2010 05:51:04 -0700, thomas.kel...@commercebank.com (Kelman,
Tom) wrote:
So, what do we in the United States of America call ourselves.
Our name is like the United Nations or the United Kingdom - a
description about what was wanted instead of a real name.
OH COME ON!
Can we PLEASE kill this thread, NOW?
Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu 7/27/2010 10:13 AM
On 27 Jul 2010 00:03:45 -0700, maarten.slegtenho...@mail.ing.nl
(Maarten Slegtenhorst) wrote:
On the matter of screws:
I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws and in time the
-snip--
We also say SNAH and KICKS in The Netherlands and during a course in Atlanta it
took me a while to understand what was meant with C-I-C-S.
On the matter of screws:
I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws
snip---
One type of screw head that I haven't seen mentioned here is the torx,
or hexalobular, head. While the Philips screw was designed to cam out
of the screw to prevent overtightening, the torx screw, like the
If citizens of the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans then why
shouldn't the citizens of the United States of America be called Americans?
Other than the USA there is no one place that is simply referred to as America.
There is North America and South America, which are continents.
Has anyone seen the old CICS poster that was made of all forms of what CICS
could mean? I lost mine many years ago in a move and would love to find
another one.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:27 PM, CM Poncelet ponce...@bcs.org.uk wrote:
That is what an ex-IBMer from the old days told me 'CICS'
On 23 Jul 2010 18:24:26 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
That's OK, John, Ted was just repeating what I'd said many posts earlier. So
you can agree with me, and sleep at night.
P.S. I like United Statesians -- makes perfect sense!
It still isn't sufficient, there are other American
On 23 Jul 2010 21:31:30 -0700, t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) wrote:
On the other hand, Unitedstatians have been known to pronounce SNA and
RJE as words, and even on occasion to say them together so that it
sounds like a sneeze.
That's a new one for this USAmerican.
Bless you!
Wait - light
On 24 Jul 2010 08:38:23 -0700, rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman)
wrote:
Most hardware and home center stores don't even know what a
Robertson-drive screw IS. And of the few that know, you'll only find
wood screws. No machine screws. :-(
In the U.S., we use screws that use hex wrenches for this
On 24 Jul 2010 12:30:05 -0700, gib...@wsu.edu (Gibney, Dave) wrote:
My CICS guy just retired. He used KICKS or C-I-C-S depending on the
audicence. I've always used C-i-c-s, because that's what I heard first.
Now that I have to become the CICS guy also, maybe I'll have to start
using KICKS :( At
Fairchild
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That's OK, John, Ted was just repeating what I'd said many posts earlier. So
Was Chernobyl Interminable Catastrophe System one of them? :-)
Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software
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Was Chernobyl Interminable Catastrophe System one of them? :-)
Bill Fairchild
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:59:58 -0600, Howard Brazee
howard.bra...@cusys.edu wrote:
Most hardware and home center stores don't even know what a
Robertson-drive screw IS. And of the few that know, you'll only find
wood screws. No machine screws. :-(
In the U.S., we use screws that use hex wrenches
Most hardware and home center stores don't even know what a
Robertson-drive screw IS. And of the few that know, you'll only find
wood screws. No machine screws. :-(
In the U.S., we use screws that use hex wrenches for this niche.
Most countries use hex wrenches and Torx screws (etc)
I had an SE many years ago that did say S-N-A as SNAH. Confused me every
time. I've never heard anyone try to say R-J-E as a word. What you you use,
reggie?
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 24 July 2010 00:14, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net
On 26 Jul 2010 07:16:09 -0700, bi...@mainstar.com (Bill Fairchild)
wrote:
United Statesian is more than merely a perfect sense-maker. It is the
literal translation into English
from the Spanish word estadounidense, which means someone from the United
States of America.
Many hispanophones
I had an SE many years ago that did say S-N-A as SNAH.
I worked with a few that did that, and it always made the VTAM SYSPROGs cringe.
The only thing I noticed was that their accents were grown south of the
Mason-Dixon Line.
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I've heard CRJE pronounced 'krijjee, but never RJE.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
I had an SE many years ago that did say S-N-A as SNAH.
I worked with a few that did that, and it always made the VTAM SYSPROGs
cringe.
The only thing I noticed was
pacemainl...@gmail.com (Mark Pace) writes:
I had an SE many years ago that did say S-N-A as SNAH. Confused me every
time. I've never heard anyone try to say R-J-E as a word. What you you use,
reggie?
i've heard lots of SNAH ... don't remember RJE as a word ... but do
remember CRJE as as a
On 26 Jul 2010 10:39:52 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote:
Most countries use hex wrenches and Torx screws (etc) for niche applications.
Robertson screws (square head) don't fill a niche, they're designed for
general
purpose, every day use. In contrast, Phillips screws ('X' head) are
Fairchild
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I had an SE many years ago that did say S-N-A as SNAH. Confused me
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It never made any sense to me when I lived in Mexico City during the
Kennedy administration that they corrected me to say I wasn't
Actually, I was amazed to learn (in my late 40s) that Mexico is considered
part of *NORTH* America. Central America starts at the southern border of
Mexico. Who knew?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com wrote:
You were an American then, and so were they. And you
Subject:Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
I've heard many people
On 26 Jul 2010 11:36:00 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
Actually, I was amazed to learn (in my late 40s) that Mexico is considered
part of *NORTH* America. Central America starts at the southern border of
Mexico. Who knew?
While Central America starts south of Mexico, Central America
So what's the advantage in having both Allen and Robertson screws?
They seem to do the same thing.
Allen keys are usually used at a 90 degree angle to the screw, which means they
work more like a wrench than a screwdriver. Having said that, ratcheting
screwdrivers can also be used in a wrench
On Monday 26 July 2010 14:25, Bill Fairchild wrote:
Then there are the FIFO, LIFO, WINO (Whenver In, Never Out), and other
queueing algorithms
Not to overlook FIST (First In, Still There), commonly used in the
Windows environment, I believe
Cheers,
Bob
, 2010 11:32 PM
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Subject: Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
Depending on the need, screws have many head shapes, in addition, to
the
driver slot. If you need a flat surface, then counter sunk holes with
flat
head screws may be the best choice. If you don't need a flat surface
Thanks for putting us back on topic.
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Dave Salt wrote:
This has nothing to do
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Most hardware and home center stores don't even know what a
Robertson-drive screw IS. And of the few that know, you'll only find
wood screws. No machine screws. :-(
Flat head screws are garbage, and
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Most hardware and home center
Phillips are fine for low-torque applications like electrical device
mounting.
There may be some small number of applications where having a screwdriver that
easily slips out of the screw is for some reason a desired effect. But in
general, it renders Phillips screws about as useful as a
On 25 July 2010 13:16, Dave Salt ds...@hotmail.com wrote:
Phillips are fine for low-torque applications like electrical device
mounting.
There may be some small number of applications where having a screwdriver
that easily slips out of the screw is for some reason a desired effect.
In
! Robertson screws and drivers are prevalent in Canada where they were
invented.
BTW, I'm Canadian and I say KICKS and zee-oh-ess.
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:11:33 -0400
From: ds...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Unitedstatians are the only people I have
ponce...@bcs.org.uk (CM Poncelet) writes:
That is what an ex-IBMer from the old days told me 'CICS' originally
stood for - before it was renamed as 'Customer Information Control
System' and sold to the rest of the world. I have no supporting
evidence apart from this hearsay.
I was
snip---
Hopefully he brought his Robertson screws over with him to install the
switches. :-)
--unsnip---
Most hardware and home center stores
Most hardware and home center stores don't even know what a
Robertson-drive screw IS. And of the few that know, you'll only find
wood screws. No machine screws. :-(
Flat head screws are garbage, and Phillips ('X' head) screws are only a small
step up from garbage. If I buy a product that
In the early days of Customer Information Control System, at a European
Guide meeting held in London, I distinctly remember an Italian referring to
CICS as cheeks. This was amusing in itself, but was made more so since he
prefixed this with I am having trouble with my ...
I freely acknowledge
Two threads about how to pronounce CICS! And then, it vears off to
hardware. (Not the computer kind). Are we at a new low?
Eric Bielefeld
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Flat head screws are garbage, and Phillips ('X' head) screws are only a
small step up from garbage. If I buy a product
Dave Salt wrote:
Most hardware and home center stores don't even know what a
Robertson-drive screw IS. And of the few that know, you'll only find
wood screws. No machine screws. :-(
Flat head screws are garbage, and Phillips ('X' head) screws are only a small
step up from garbage. If I buy
My CICS guy just retired. He used KICKS or C-I-C-S depending on the
audicence. I've always used C-i-c-s, because that's what I heard first.
Now that I have to become the CICS guy also, maybe I'll have to start
using KICKS :( At least I'll sound like an expert. :)
Mike Kerford-Byrnes writes:
begin snippet
I distinctly remember an Italian referring to CICS as cheeks. This was
amusing in itself, but was made more so since he prefixed this with I am
having trouble with my ...
end snippet
What is funny is a function of what one knows, and both type
the bathroom door was the light switch.
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On 24 July 2010 00:14, Ron Hawkins
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snip-
--
Hopefully he brought his Robertson screws over with him to install the
switches. :-)
--unsnip
It is too bad that there were legal battles over the Robertson screw.
That wasn't mentioned in the Toronto Star article, a couple of weeks ago.
But, it did mention that 2010 was/is the 100th anniversery of the creation of
the Robertson (hence the article).
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On 7/24/2010 1:17 PM, Dave Salt wrote:
Flat head screws are garbage, and Phillips ('X' head) screws
are only a small step up from garbage. If I buy a product
that comes with flat head or Phillips screws I usually throw
them away. I was astonished when I learned Phillips screws
are widely used in
2010 17:19:05 -0400
From: gerh...@valley.net
Subject: Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
On 7/24/2010 1:17 PM, Dave Salt wrote:
Flat head screws are garbage, and Phillips ('X' head) screws
are only a small step up from garbage. If I buy a product
that comes with flat head
off the screwdriver).
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:19:05 -0400
From: gerh...@valley.net
Subject: Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
On 7/24/2010 1:17 PM
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On 7/24/2010 1:17 PM, Dave Salt wrote:
Flat head screws are garbage, and Phillips ('X' head) screws
For what it's worth, the chap who told me that CICS' original name was
Cincinnati Information Control System also said that DFH stood for
Denver Foot Hills; but no one has ever confirmed this. I once asked
Pete Sadler whether he could explain where DFH came from (because of
IMS's similar DFS
For what it's worth, the chap who told me that CICS' original name was
Cincinnati Information Control System also said that DFH stood for Denver
Foot Hills; but no one has ever confirmed this.
Actually, I heard the latter, myself, in 1981.
No actual documentation, but an IBM rep told me the
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:09:46 -0400
From: donb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Depending on the need, screws have many head shapes, in addition, to the
driver slot. If you
came from (because of
IMS's similar DFS prefix): he said the prefixes had no particular
meaning as far as he knew. So I guess that puts the lid on it. Thanks
for all the other info, BTW. Cheers, Chris Poncelet
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#47 C-I-C-S vs KICKS
the referenced
Dave Salt wrote:
This has nothing to do with counter sunk holes.
Or mainframe computers ...
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:23:54 -0700
From: edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
Subject: Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Dave Salt wrote
Agreeing with Ted O'Neill is not something I undertake to do lightly, but he is
I think right about the provenance of these two pronunciations.
In my experience United Statesians use the first and the rest of the world
mostly uses the second.
The notion that one is right and the other
That's OK, John, Ted was just repeating what I'd said many posts earlier. So
you can agree with me, and sleep at night.
P.S. I like United Statesians -- makes perfect sense!
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.comwrote:
Agreeing with Ted O'Neill is not something I
In my experience, IBM legal gives the employees guidelines on exactly how
product names and acronyms are to be used and pronounced, so you'll probably
find that IBMers, especially sales, are more prone to spell it out as C I C
S, whereas almost all customers I talk to pronounce it kicks.
On Fri,
Slight diversion ... but if CICS originally stood for 'Cincinnati
Information Control System' should it not be pronounced SICS? Meanwhile
it's developed at Hursley here in England and we pronounce it KICKS.
;-) Cheers, Chris Poncelet CA
john gilmore wrote:
Agreeing with Ted O'Neill is not
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:21 PM, CM Poncelet ponce...@bcs.org.uk wrote:
Slight diversion ... but if CICS originally stood for 'Cincinnati
Information Control System' should it not be pronounced SICS? Meanwhile it's
developed at Hursley here in England and we pronounce it KICKS. ;-) Cheers,
whereas almost all customers I talk to pronounce it kicks.
I used to work for an American company, and all the developers spelled it
rather than pronounced it.
But, everybody's experience varies.
I used to cause confusion everytime I pronounced it.
Of course, I also caused confusion with
That is what an ex-IBMer from the old days told me 'CICS' originally
stood for - before it was renamed as 'Customer Information Control
System' and sold to the rest of the world. I have no supporting evidence
apart from this hearsay.
zMan wrote:
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:21 PM, CM Poncelet
: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] C-I-C-S vs KICKS
whereas almost all customers I talk to pronounce it kicks.
I used to work for an American company, and all the developers spelled it
rather than pronounced it.
But, everybody's experience
On 24 July 2010 00:14, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Unitedstatians are the only people I have ever heard spell it out. I guess
that's what happens when you can't spell, can't write the date correctly,
and install all your light switches upside down :-)
On the other hand,
Unitedstatians are the only people I have ever heard spell it out. I guess
that's what happens when you can't spell, can't write the date correctly,
and install all your light switches upside down :-)
IMO the biggest flaw is not the above, but the continued use of Phillips
screws. ;-)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:31 PM
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On 24 July 2010 00:14, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Unitedstatians are the only people I have ever heard spell it out. I
guess
that's what happens when you can't spell
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