Re: [SPAM] Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-30 Thread Joost van der Sluis
Op dinsdag 29-01-2008 om 11:11 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef willem: Joost van der Sluis wrote: Personally I would rank debugger way higher on my wishlist than packages. That won't work. DDD is a frontend to GDB. And guess where the problem is? The problem is GDB. Can you

Re: [SPAM] Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-30 Thread Vincent Snijders
Joost van der Sluis schreef: Can you tell me more about the problems with GDB ? That it's not available at all at win64. (since there's no gcc for win64) That is not the case anymore. Try ftp://ftp.hu.freepascal.org/pub/lazarus/Lazarus-0.9.25-fpc-2.2.1-20080130-win64.exe Vincent

Re: [SPAM] Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-30 Thread Wanderlan Santos dos Anjos
Vincent, With this you got integrated debugger working at Win64 Lazarus? -- Att, Wanderlan Santos dos Anjos On Jan 30, 2008 12:26 PM, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joost van der Sluis schreef: Can you tell me more about the problems with GDB ? That it's not available at

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread Florian Klaempfl
mramirez schrieb: Compiler Design its not a trivial task. IT'S THE DIFFICULT TASK. A famous compiler book shows a knight trying to kill a dragon, as a metaphor. Nobody needs compiler building knowledge to push this matter. There are other things which prevent package support - provide an

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Florian Klaempfl schrieb: because of changed memory locations etc. so we know that we can make a memory=file :) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at

Re: [SPAM] Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread willem
Joost van der Sluis wrote: Personally I would rank debugger way higher on my wishlist than packages. That won't work. DDD is a frontend to GDB. And guess where the problem is? The problem is GDB. Can you tell me more about the problems with GDB ? Joost. regards Wim

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread A.J. Venter
Hi all, Well I've read this thread with interest, and now I want to interject. I learned pascal on my own in primary school. In high school I studied it much further. Then I entered university and it was all java (which I grew to hate). I began to work professionally, and learned many

Re: [SPAM] Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread Joost van der Sluis
Op dinsdag 29-01-2008 om 03:03 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef willem: Marco van de Voort wrote: Personally I would rank debugger way higher on my wishlist than packages. Yes I agree with you that a debugger is important. I am thinking of porting DDD to Lazarus. That won't work. DDD is a

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread A.J. Venter
Wow, this is a great success story! I hope you don't mind, but I've added your project to the wiki of 3rd-party projects developed with Lazarus (feel free to edit it): http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Projects_using_Lazarus#OutKafe Maybe you could add a screenshot or two here:

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread John Stoneham
On Jan 29, 2008 2:57 AM, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipping well thoughtout, highly interesting background] I run a highly successful business (profitable in it's first year - almost unheard of) using lazarus Wow, this is a great success story! I hope you don't mind, but I've added

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread mramirez
Quoting A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't want to flame delphi, I want to state to all who flame lazarus that frankly lazarus puts bread on my plate, and delphi could not have Well said. mramirez _ To unsubscribe: mail

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread Thierry Andriamirado
I was waiting for this one, here it is, you wrote it!! At this time I'm far to be the best Lazarus contributor, but please let me explain why I am still there, why my mailer still fetch more than 1 hundred mails every day... with maybe 50% of them from lazarus, including debug list: On Tue,

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread mramirez
Quoting Florian Klaempfl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nobody needs compiler building knowledge to push this matter. I read somewhere (mail-list/Lazarus web site) that there wasn't that problem. - provide an ftp.freepascal.org mirror (requires approx. 1TB/month traffic) to reduce the matter of

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-29 Thread A.J. Venter
Kindly send the website's URL please ;) http://outkafe.outkastsolutions.co.za Ciao A.J. -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic - Clarke's law Any technology that is distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced -Gehm's corollary Any technologist

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 28/01/2008, Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I first learned of Lazarus on Delphi newsgroups... Exactly my point! :-) Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread mramirez
Quoting zaher dirkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I Delphi programmer too (10 years) , and i like FPC/Lazarus too match, than Delphi. Same here. This day (before i see this comments), my co worker ask me if some day we see some people try to make fight Lazarus, i have no answer for him, and i hope

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread mramirez
Quoting John Stoneham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: entire threads with subjects like Quit talking about Lazarus here or Its their company, and they forum. It's normal to diminish any of their products' competition (such as Lazarus). If you think you need cross-platform you don't need Delphi or

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Vincent Snijders
Warren Postma schreef: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. Such as? Please create bug reports, if they are not there

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Warren Postma wrote: Florian Klaempfl wrote: Warren Postma schrieb: You still can't install packages in Lazarus because the underlying FPC compiler lacks a runtime package system that could support a more delphi-like designtime/runtime packages installation

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Warren Postma
Florian Klaempfl wrote: Warren Postma schrieb: You still can't install packages in Lazarus because the underlying FPC compiler lacks a runtime package system that could support a more delphi-like designtime/runtime packages installation system. Which by the way is the worst part of Delphi.

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 12:48:56PM -0500, Warren Postma wrote: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. One assumes here

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Warren Postma schrieb: You still can't install packages in Lazarus because the underlying FPC compiler lacks a runtime package system that could support a more delphi-like designtime/runtime packages installation system. Which by the way is the worst part of Delphi. Everyone complains about

re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Warren Postma wrote: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. If Lazarus could be as useful to me

re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread Warren Postma
My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. If Lazarus could be as useful to me as Delphi 7, I would change my opinion from

Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread John Stoneham
On Jan 28, 2008 11:48 AM, Warren Postma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. And these are...?

Re: [SPAM] re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread willem
Warren Postma wrote: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. If Lazarus could be as useful to me as Delphi 7, I would

Re: [SPAM] re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread willem
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Warren Postma wrote: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as Delphi 2005. If Lazarus

Re: [SPAM] Re: [lazarus] why do delphi users hate lazarus so much?

2008-01-28 Thread willem
Marco van de Voort wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 12:48:56PM -0500, Warren Postma wrote: My reason for complaining about Lazarus, and calling it unusable, is that it suffers from worse usability defects (for what I want to use it for) than even the worst-ever versions of Delphi such as

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread Florian Klaempfl
John Stoneham schrieb: Well, I guess the term Delphi users is a little broad, but it seems that every post that mentions Lazarus on borland.public.delphi.non-technical gets BLASTED by Delphi fanboys. 90% of the posts in b.p.d.non-tech would be qualified as troll posts on other mailings lists

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread Gabor Boros
I Delphi user and I love Lazaros (and FPC). :-) See the newsgoup name. Contains delphi and borland. That is a newsgroup on Borland's own newsserver about Delphi. Gabor John Stoneham írta: borland.public.delphi.non-technical _

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread John Stoneham
On Jan 27, 2008 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: the cardinal mul/div overflow bug still exists in Delphi 2007 ;-) Wow, that's weird! They fixed it in the 7.1 update, but that update broke the integer optimization, which in my opinion was just as serious a bug. I guess they re-broke

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread user1
BTW: the cardinal mul/div overflow bug still exists in Delphi 2007 ;-) John Stoneham wrote: Well, I guess the term Delphi users is a little broad, but it seems that every post that mentions Lazarus on borland.public.delphi.non-technical gets BLASTED by Delphi fanboys. I mean, it's really

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread zaher dirkey
I Delphi programmer too (10 years) , and i like FPC/Lazarus too match, than Delphi. This day (before i see this comments), my co worker ask me if some day we see some people try to make fight Lazarus, i have no answer for him, and i hope no. (OK bad english :P ) On Jan 27, 2008 3:22 PM, John

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread Marius
I just hope the Lazarus community isn't discouraged by those negative comments. ;-) Everything there is being bashed. In my opinion nothing in that forum should ever be taken to serious (including the teamb or codegear-team msgs). Its all free advertisement in the end (that included the

Re: [lazarus] Why do Delphi users hate Lazarus so much?

2008-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27/01/2008, John Stoneham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess the term Delphi users is a little broad, but it seems that every post that mentions Lazarus on borland.public.delphi.non-technical gets BLASTED by Delphi fanboys. I Take all those comments with a pinch of salt. ;-) I believe