RE: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
The best guideline I've seen for this situation is _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson. (I bought my copy from the Legacy store.) Slawson has a full 100 pages on how to handle names and titles using Legacy screens for her examples. Although many people make up their own rules for entering this data, Slawson's book is heavily oriented toward LDS members doing temple work, so perhaps following her suggestions would bring up more hits in the IGI or other LDS databases. The guidelines are far too extensive to quote here, so I'd suggest you invest in the book. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of nconway...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] More than 2 authors
Ray: One option would be to use the template Book Book, authored Author known Basic format. In the field for the author's last name, just list the surnames of all three authors: Elliott, Walker, Stratford-Devai. Leave the other name fields blank. That will give you a reasonably thorough citation and equal credit to all three without clobbering up the bibliography. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of W. Raymond Cummins Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] More than 2 authors I am trying to input a source which is a standar book with three distinguished authors. I am oresented with the choice of a single author or two authors but neither of these options apply. Is there a way to show three authors in a master source? Thanks WRC Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features
Michele: A dob sort is one other way to view the Name List and check for duplicates. I have a spider web of several hundred Acadians and it's easy to miss common ancestors in all that. It's a quick way to check for blank dob fields (which can also be done with a search), it's one more way to scan for odd-looking entries, and I like to open and sort a GEDCOM by dob before posting online to make sure I haven't accidentally included someone I shouldn't have. None are big deals, and wild horses couldn't drag me back to FTM for data entry, but it would be handy to have a dob sort capability within Legacy. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features What is the advantage of being able to sort the name list by birthdate? michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features
Chick: I'm with you on sorting names by dob; it's one of the two relatively small FTM features that I miss. For now I send a GEDCOM from Legacy to an old copy of FTM and sort there, but it would certainly be handy to be able to do it within Legacy. Seems it would be easy enough to add. I don't understand the lack of a dob sort for names. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features I too am a convertee from FTM16, although I did try FTM 2008 and 2009. Needless to say I was disappointed with both. I am very happy with Legacy 7 and learning new things every day. This is a great thread, and although I love all the features already mentioned, my favorite has to be the wonderful support from the Legacy staff. Sherry, Brian, et all are great. I would like to see the ability to sort on birth date though. That is the ONLY feature I miss from FTM. Chick Lewis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features
Arnold: I don't know about Chick, but I'm missing the ability to sort the entire Name List by dob. That's an option within FTM and you can choose to have oldest first or youngest first. Either way, those with no dob sort alphabetically at the top of the list followed by the others in date order. It's pretty handy, but certainly not a deal-maker. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Arnold Sprague Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features Chick, One way is to go to the children, if this is what you are writing about, right-click on them, left-click on Children's Settings..., and move the kids up/down with the up/down arrows found in the lower right-hand corner. All features are there in Legacy. Arnold Sprague At 02:21 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote: I too am a convertee from FTM16, although I did try FTM 2008 and 2009. Needless to say I was disappointed with both. I am very happy with Legacy 7 and learning new things every day. This is a great thread, and although I love all the features already mentioned, my favorite has to be the wonderful support from the Legacy staff. Sherry, Brian, et all are great. I would like to see the ability to sort on birth date though. That is the ONLY feature I miss from FTM. Chick Lewis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Notes in GEDCOM uploads?
Ray: My General Notes do transfer into a GEDCOM (5.5) although I haven't tried uploading it to Ancestry. You might try creating a GEDCOM with just one individual who does have content under General Notes, then open the GEDCOM with Notepad and search for a unique word in the text of the note to see if it's there. If you don't find it, it's probably due to a selection made in Legacy when creating the GEDCOM; if it's there but doesn't appear at Ancestry, it may be due to a selection made in the upload process. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of raymond.cumm...@utoronto.ca Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Notes in GEDCOM uploads? Is there a way to get General Notes for individuals in Legacy to show up in a GEDCOM exported to Ancestry.com? It did not work for me. Thanks W. Raymond Cummins Mississauga ON Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features
Another favorite of mine is the Tree Finder (View Tree Finder [Refresh]). It's an excellent way to check for those individuals that you might have accidentally unlinked from your main tree. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:52 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features My fav are the searches and tags. My 2nd fav are the event clipboard and the source clipboards. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features
Arnold: Thanks for that. I knew about rotating through siblings but somehow I had missed the trick about rotating through spouses. That's very handy. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Arnold Sprague Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features Two Legacy features that I especially like are: #1. Family View: If the *highlighted* individual has siblings, it is easy to rotate through the brothers/sisters by merely left-clicking on the adjacent thin *vertical* space in the *middle* of the Family View. #2. Family View: If the *highlighted* individual has more than one spouse, it is easy to rotate through the husbands/wives by merely left-clicking on the adjacent thin space in the *left/right* margins of the Family View. #1 and #2 above allow one to quickly go through family members who are in the same census, for example, and add the Census Event to each of them using the Clipboard. (I use a census, please *no* hisses or boos, as an event and thus can quickly add the Census Event, via the Clipboard, to all siblings who are in the same census.) Arnold Sprague Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Lost and needing help
Jenny: Just a small caveat . . . I found to my chagrin that the Source List Name *is* included in GEDCOMs and does appear in databases uploaded to RootsWeb unless you exclude the ABBREV tag when creating the GEDCOM. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lost and needing help Brian Beddor wrote For Canadian census that I've gotten from Ancestry.com I generally select Census records in the Legacy Source Writer. Then the drop down menu asks 1.) Select the country and I select Canada; Then the drop down menu asks 2.) Select the year and, in this case, I selected 1891 census; Then the drop down menu asks 3.) Select the medium and I selected Online images since that is what Ancestry.com had. Then I clicked Go to Step 2; Under the Source List Name you put how you want the Source to be named. In my case I entered Canada, Nova Scotia - 1891 - Canadian census I think Brian has given an excellent mini-tutorial on entering a Census as a Source. I would just make one comment. As the Source List Name is really only for the user's use and doesn't appear on Reports or anything it doesn't really need to be terribly long and detailed, what is important is that one can remember the name and find it quickly in the list. In my view, the most important thing in this instance is that it's a Census, secondly that it's for Nova Scotia and thirdly the year, so my Source List Name would be Census - Nova Scotia 1891. I have lots of Census source for England, Wales, Scotland, Channel Islands and Isle of Man. They are listed in the same manner as above so when I want to select one I can go straight to Census and each country is listed together in date order. My other Source List Names have a similar format, for example Baptism Records - London, Burial Records - Cheshire, Newspaper - Daily Telegraph, OPC - Cornwall... Not necessarily very meaningful to someone else, but exactly suit my purpose which is all that is required. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Favorite Features
Mary's Lost post reminded me of how many great tips and shortcuts I picked up from the LUG when I first started using Legacy. Unfortunately new users sometimes don't even know the question to ask in order to find some of these, and LUG discussions lately seem to be far from basic. My personal favorite is the Source Clipboard, and anyone who isn't using it should drop everything and read Legacy's Help Index Clipboard Source. Would others like to mention their favorite feature or shortcut? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Possible link to a family
Jane: Most of the time I create a new folder for the person in XP and that's where I stick all the relevant information and notes until something clicks. These are all kept in a Stray folder under the appropriate surname. With a few, when I'm pretty sure where they go due to circumstantial evidence, I attach them and add a note to the Name field saying that the link is tentative. I could put that note in the Relationship field(s), but then it's buried in a string of source notes and I like to have it at the very top. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Possible link to a family I should like to know how others handle a possible link to a family. I know I can put the person and his family in as an unlinked person, but, because of the given names used, there is a strong possibility that they are connected. However, I cannot, at this time substantiate this with documentation. How do you all handle such a situation? Thanks for any guidance. Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy: Brett
Brett: Provided your John Smith and Fred Dagg are the same person with Fred Dagg being an aka, that's exactly what I want but no combination of choices found so far will give me this result. I can get the GIVN and SURN lines omitted from the primary name but not from the aka. I'm selecting Produce file for GEDCOM 5.5 only, a customized list of items to export with the GIVN and SURN tags omitted but ALIA included, and all the boxes checked under Groups of Items to EXCLUDE from Export except Alternate Names and Sources. I've tried a zillion different combinations of these selections, but no luck. I have version 7.0.0.90 and XP, but I wouldn't expect that to make any difference. After three days of testing, though, a friend has helped me with a work-around so I'm getting the desired result now at last. If you see anything in the choices above that may be causing the problem, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of BMcL Robinson Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy Hi Kirsten I have just tried the procedure and it appears to do what you are wanting. I created a 2 person test database with one AKA for one of them (very simple so that I could see what was happening). I exported a gedcom for 5.5 Gedcom format (not the Legacy format default, although I am not sure if this makes a difference). I opened the file in my text editor (Notepad) so that I could see what came through - the answer was: 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME John /SMITH/ 1 NAME Fred /DAGG/ where these are the name and the AKA. Is this what you want? Cheers, Brett - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy Brett: I don't quite follow everything you've said, but it sounds fairly similar to what my more knowledgeable friend is telling me. As I understand it, Legacy isn't programmed to permit excluding GIVN and SURN tags from the aka fields; excluding those two tags only applies to the primary name. I'm not sure whether that's an intelligible response because I'm speaking in a foreign language but perhaps you'll understand. Thanks for taking a look at my annoying problem. Kirsten -Original Message- Hi Kirsten The tags you are using for names are (as in a Legacy 7 generated gedcom viewed in Notepad) for example: 0 @Ixxx@ INDI 1 NAME Joe /Bloggs/ 2 GIVN Joe 2 SURN Bloggs 1 NAME Joseph /Blogs/ 2 GIVN Joseph 2 SURN Blogs There may be other tags interspersed for sources etc where applicable, but essentially there is simply a repeat of the name, given name and surname tags for each name/AKA. I have looked at other gedcoms and seen only the level 1 NAME tag, so obviously the gedcom structure does not rely on the level 2 name tags to work. If you exclude the level 2 GIVN and 2 SURN tags then you should still get the repeat of level 1 NAME tag for each name/AKA. The AKA does not use a different tag from the main name in a gedcom file. Cheers, Brett - Original Message - The usual format for an individual's page at RootsWeb WorldConnect for records uploaded from a Legacy-created GEDCOM begins like this: ID: [] Name: [John Quincy Jones] Surname: [Jones] Given Name: [John Quincy] This is a useless repetition of names and clutters up the page, so I eliminate the Surname and Given Name lines by deleting the appropriate GEDCOM tags before creating the file. The trouble starts again when an individual has an aka (or 2 or 3). For each aka I still get the same three Name-Surname-Given Name lines. I can't find the GEDCOM tags that cause this in order to delete them. Does anyone know why this happens and how to prevent it for aka's? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy
Dennis: Oh, drat! Since suffering 3rd degree burns in the v7 upgrade I've been very slow to update. Now it looks like you've put your finger on the GIVN and SURN problem and may have forced the issue. Thanks for checking on this. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy: Brett On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:04:16 -0700, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: I have version 7.0.0.90 and XP, but I wouldn't expect that to make any difference. I just tried it in 7.0.0.100 on XP and it worked as Brett says. So maybe an update is in order. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Updating Legacy: Ron
Ron: Of course you're right about the difference between upgrades and updates, and the new features introduced with v7 were so huge that probably no amount of beta testing could have caught every possible bug. Furthermore, the ones that did slip through seemed to affect relatively few users. In fact it seems that only *two* of us on the LUG list were seriously paralyzed by the problems--a really minute percentage of users. After that experience, though, I personally would be reluctant to either encourage or discourage others regarding upgrading or updating. You're more experienced with the software and can speak more freely. Legacy is a wonderful program and I wouldn't switch to another even if it promised to vacuum and do the dishes, but as long as my current version works very well in most respects I'll continue to tread cautiously where both updates and upgrades are concerned. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy Kirsten, As I have said before on this list, there is a heck of a difference between an upgrade and an update. Very rarely does an update create problems, whereas with an upgrade of any program bugs are not that unusual - just look at Microsoft! Updates are aimed at getting rid of bugs and improving performance, and in my view should be installed as soon as they are published. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy
The usual format for an individual's page at RootsWeb WorldConnect for records uploaded from a Legacy-created GEDCOM begins like this: ID: [] Name: [John Quincy Jones] Surname: [Jones] Given Name: [John Quincy] This is a useless repetition of names and clutters up the page, so I eliminate the Surname and Given Name lines by deleting the appropriate GEDCOM tags before creating the file. The trouble starts again when an individual has an aka (or 2 or 3). For each aka I still get the same three Name-Surname-Given Name lines. I can't find the GEDCOM tags that cause this in order to delete them. Does anyone know why this happens and how to prevent it for aka's? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Different Family Lines
Sherry: Welcome to Legacy! I'd definitely recommend keeping the family together in one file. That way you have just one group of settings and preferences to work with as well as one set of Master Sources and Locations--not to mention having just one GEDCOM to upload and maintain. It just makes life so much easier. I have all my data in one file with about 8,000 names and roughly 700 sources. This includes a limited one-name study and ancestors of my sons from two different marriages. I'd be completely overwhelmed by now if I'd tried to separate them into different databases. There are very easy ways to pull different lines from a single Legacy database, but merging separate files can be troublesome. And what do you do when you come across your immigrant ancestor's roots in Europe? You'd have to enter all of the data three times. Stick with one file. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Sherry Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:38 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Different Family Lines I am getting ready to enter family information into Legacy. I am a new user and so I have a question. There are 3 lines from the original immigrant ancestor. Each with a variation of the last name: Nidiffer, Neidiffer, and Nidiver. These three names developed over time as they migrated to different parts of the country. Should I enter all of them as one great big happy family? Or should I create different family trees in Legacy? Thanks. Sherry W. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy
Brian: Your instructions are exactly right, and it's the process I follow when creating a GEDCOM. The difference is that I *want* the alternate names but not the extra surname and given name lines associated with them. I couldn't find the correct combination to do that and thought I was missing something but a very clever and helpful person has discovered that the software just isn't programmed to do what I'd like. Thanks for your response, though. It may help others who want to modify their Legacy GEDCOMs. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy Although I've never created such a GEDCOM without AKAs, this should be what you are asking for: On the GEDCOM Export window, click the Customize button on the lower right. Then on the next window, put a check mark in the EXCLUDE Alternate Names towards the bottom of that window. TIP: If you do this frequently, you might want to click the SAVE LIST button after excluding items or whatever else you have customized. Then next time simply click on LOAD LIST and you won't have to remember all those things. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Kirsten Bowman [mailto:vik...@rvi.net] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy The usual format for an individual's page at RootsWeb WorldConnect for records uploaded from a Legacy-created GEDCOM begins like this: ID: [] Name: [John Quincy Jones] Surname: [Jones] Given Name: [John Quincy] This is a useless repetition of names and clutters up the page, so I eliminate the Surname and Given Name lines by deleting the appropriate GEDCOM tags before creating the file. The trouble starts again when an individual has an aka (or 2 or 3). For each aka I still get the same three Name-Surname-Given Name lines. I can't find the GEDCOM tags that cause this in order to delete them. Does anyone know why this happens and how to prevent it for aka's? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy
Brett: I don't quite follow everything you've said, but it sounds fairly similar to what my more knowledgeable friend is telling me. As I understand it, Legacy isn't programmed to permit excluding GIVN and SURN tags from the aka fields; excluding those two tags only applies to the primary name. I'm not sure whether that's an intelligible response because I'm speaking in a foreign language but perhaps you'll understand. Thanks for taking a look at my annoying problem. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of BMcL Robinson Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs From Legacy Hi Kirsten The tags you are using for names are (as in a Legacy 7 generated gedcom viewed in Notepad) for example: 0 @Ixxx@ INDI 1 NAME Joe /Bloggs/ 2 GIVN Joe 2 SURN Bloggs 1 NAME Joseph /Blogs/ 2 GIVN Joseph 2 SURN Blogs There may be other tags interspersed for sources etc where applicable, but essentially there is simply a repeat of the name, given name and surname tags for each name/AKA. I have looked at other gedcoms and seen only the level 1 NAME tag, so obviously the gedcom structure does not rely on the level 2 name tags to work. If you exclude the level 2 GIVN and 2 SURN tags then you should still get the repeat of level 1 NAME tag for each name/AKA. The AKA does not use a different tag from the main name in a gedcom file. Cheers, Brett - Original Message - The usual format for an individual's page at RootsWeb WorldConnect for records uploaded from a Legacy-created GEDCOM begins like this: ID: [] Name: [John Quincy Jones] Surname: [Jones] Given Name: [John Quincy] This is a useless repetition of names and clutters up the page, so I eliminate the Surname and Given Name lines by deleting the appropriate GEDCOM tags before creating the file. The trouble starts again when an individual has an aka (or 2 or 3). For each aka I still get the same three Name-Surname-Given Name lines. I can't find the GEDCOM tags that cause this in order to delete them. Does anyone know why this happens and how to prevent it for aka's? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Different Family Lines
Sherry: You're welcome. I should have asked if you're inputting your data manually or importing from another software program. If the latter, there are some helpful hints that Legacy users can provide. That would be doubly important if you have split databases in one program and want to merge them into one file in Legacy. In that case it would be a really good idea to post the details to the list (including the name and version of the old program) and ask for tips. Good luck! Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Sherry Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:54 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Different Family Lines Kirsten, That sounds like good advice. I didn't realize I would have to have different lists of Master Sources and Locations. That would be awful to manage. And I am discovering there are so many options and preferences I could get lost in them. I'll stick with one database and when I need to pull out my direct line, I'll ask you! Thanks. Sherry W. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:27:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Different Family Lines Sherry: Welcome to Legacy! I'd definitely recommend keeping the family together in one file. That way you have just one group of settings and preferences to work with as well as one set of Master Sources and Locations--not to mention having just one GEDCOM to upload and maintain. It just makes life so much easier. I have all my data in one file with about 8,000 names and roughly 700 sources. This includes a limited one-name study and ancestors of my sons from two different marriages. I'd be completely overwhelmed by now if I'd tried to separate them into different databases. There are very easy ways to pull different lines from a single Legacy database, but merging separate files can be troublesome. And what do you do when you come across your immigrant ancestor's roots in Europe? You'd have to enter all of the data three times. Stick with one file. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric: I'd take a middle-of-the-road approach. Any records that support or dispute basic facts in your database should certainlly be cited individually. On the other hand, if your ancestors are simply listed as church members over 15-17 years, I would lump that into one source note. As to your question about recent ancestors, the obscure records with duplicate information may not add anything to your information on the individual, but they are a helpful record of where you've searched and there are a variety of ways that you might handle those, including use of the To Do list. _Evidence Explained_ recommends that when your research is finally turned into a narrative you trim source citations to just the most pertinent, but during the research phase you'd best keep track of everything. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Eric Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite? Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise
Confessions of a sinner . . . I've been an advocate of a rather cavalier approach to use of Legacy's source templates, primarily by putting data in any field you wish (regardless of field name) as long as the resulting citation format is what you want. Now that's come back to bite me to a small degree, so here's fair warning to other disregarders of the system. When GEDCOMs are created in Legacy and uploaded to RootsWeb WorldConnect, those source template field names are included in the published citation with their GEDCOM tag. One thing I particularly dislike is that the informal Source List Name is included in the citation unless you *exclude* the ABBREV tag when creating the GEDCOM. This could give a fairly startling effect if you use an informal name like Grandpa's fuzzy recollections thinking that it would be easy to remember and wouldn't print anywhere. I'd expect that the same would apply to uploads at other online sites. Fortunately I haven't gone overboard, but a review and re-think is definitely in order. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise
Thanks for that, Ron. At least now I'm re-checking my sources with a grin. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise Kirsten Bowman wrote: Confessions of a sinner . . . I've been an advocate of a rather cavalier approach to use of Legacy's source templates, primarily by putting data in any field you wish (regardless of field name) as long as the resulting citation format is what you want. Now that's come back to bite me to a small degree, so here's fair warning to other disregarders of the system. When GEDCOMs are created in Legacy and uploaded to RootsWeb WorldConnect, those source template field names are included in the published citation with their GEDCOM tag. One thing I particularly dislike is that the informal Source List Name is included in the citation unless you *exclude* the ABBREV tag when creating the GEDCOM. This could give a fairly startling effect if you use an informal name like Grandpa's fuzzy recollections thinking that it would be easy to remember and wouldn't print anywhere. I'd expect that the same would apply to uploads at other online sites. Fortunately I haven't gone overboard, but a review and re-think is definitely in order. Kirsten I'm not at all sure about the need for a rethink, Kirsten. I think Grandpa's fuzzy recollections will look pretty good and a lot less boring than some of the stuff. And as a description it's possibly much more accurate than some of the other assertions which I have seen. Yup, all in all, I approve :-) _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
And here's another slant: After recording about a thousand Acadian names like Françoise, Étienne, and Jean-Baptiste, I find that a majority of people don't use diacriticals either in their databases or in searches, so my work is largely invisible online. Since the main use for the data is to post at RootsWeb and I want it to be found, I've added the version sans diacriticals as Alternate Names. They're not true aka's, and the alternates might look very strange in some narrative reports (which I never produce anyway), but it does emphasize the importance of knowing where you're going early on and deciding whether that field is strictly for bonafide aka's or catch-all alternate spellings. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname My grandfather's name was Irvin, but he is often referred to as Irving. He never used that name, yet if someone is searching for Irving they will not find him unless I add Irving as an AKA. So I would suggest that the AKA should be used, even if the person never used the name. I have a note on my grandfather's record that his name is Irvin and Irving is a disproven name so that perhaps someone will find my record and correct theirs accordingly. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband’s grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
But Laura, how do you account for pastors who couldn't spell or who latinized infants' names? Should a baptismal record for Fredrikus Merkel take precedence over a will signed in the man's own hand as Frederick Markle--along with all the land and military records listing the latter? With due respect, that seems to border on the pedantic. As long as the baptismal version is recorded in the source notes, wouldn't it be sensible to show the primary name as the one actually used by the individual? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Laura Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname And I disagreeI believe you should always use the FIRST logical document - birth or baptism - as that is the name they were given. All others are changes to the name they were given. PS - I am a professional genealogist. Jenny M Benson wrote: Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of the surity level....
Michele: Surety level is pretty subjective and I don't use it. Seems to me that readers should be able to judge surety from reading your source notes. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of the surity level Speaking of the surety level... do y'all use this? I never have. I know in my head which sources are credible and which ones are more dubious. I appears these levels are only for the benefit of the compiler. When you print reports and such these surety levels don't print for others to see. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?
Mary: Welcome to the list! You'll probably find that you get at least three different answers to just about any question you ask because everyone does things differently and Legacy is so tremendously flexible. In Legacy a census record can be a Source, an Event, or both. Search the Help section for Source, paying special attention to the section on Citations and Clipboard. Also search Help for Event and read those sections. Once you get the hang of it and learn to use the Source Clipboard, citing a census source is just amazingly easy but there are decisions to be made along the way. After you read those Help sections you should experiment with a census entry to see the results in whatever output you want as a final result--whether book or report. At that point you'll surely have several more questions to send to the list. Also, please be sure to send your posts in Plain Text. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Mary Horner Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? I am a newbie to Legacy. I have a hugs amount of data gleaned from 7 Canadian census reports 1851-1911. Where do I input this info? I started by pasting the household under Master Source notes with the 'Head' showing everyone in the household and then each individual gets a single line under detail in the source menu and then again entering each individual in events but this seems so repetitive and will take forever. I am also concerned that when it comes to printing reports the same census material is going to be repeated over and over. Does Legacy have instructions somewhere as to how to enter census info? All I can find is how to download a blank form. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?
Bill: I also have _Evidence Explained_ and have studied it pretty carefully but have never seen a recommendation to break down census citations by film roll. Rather, Mills recommends grouping sources by author and title (for books), collections (for manuscripts), geographical area, repositories, or source type. Film Series is just a recommended *element* of the census source citation that is added automatically if you use Legacy's SourceWriter template for the various censuses. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of William H. Boswell Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? I only create a main source for each items such as the census. It is only by year and then cited for each family with their own information. That one citation is used for each family member/event. Other sources are just plain death certificate, birth certificate, newspapers (for obits) by the name of the newspaper, etc. I had renamed and reorganized all my sources last year in FTM 2009 and removed/merged all duplicates. It was a nightmare that I don't want to repeat. I know in Elizabeth Mills book, which I have, she lists that census records should be broken down by each film roll, location, etc. which I find impossible and probably impractical unless you want to spend the next 50 years redoing everything. This is a good book to have since I have found very good information for cemetery records and other sources. I no longer use the census as an event because I hated adding it to hundreds of people. I only use the information as a source for events as Ron mentioned. I did the same for obituaries too and don't do it anymore even though some still exist. I wish genealogy programs would have an internal form for adding census information that could be attached to source citations. I've been waiting for something like this for years. I usually just transcribed each line and do not always include all the information. I figure I can go back to the image source if I need more. Bill -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? Mary, In case you don't know, users tend to fall into two classes. lumpers and splitters. The former have few Master Sources and use the Detail Citation to include the specific details relating to a given situation, whereas splitters break their Sources down either geographically or by some other system, however, I doubt if many splitters actually create a census Master Source for each household. I am an unreconstructed lumper and only have one Master Source for each country, broken down into census years. So, I have Master sources for England/Wales 1941, 1951 etc. and Scotland 1941, 1951 etc. At this point there are other decisions to be made as to how much detail to include in the Detail Source and I am not one of those who dogmatically follow Evidence Explained and in particular I do not include details in the Source which are included in the Event. Perhaps I should explain that I do not have a Census Event, and only use the a census as a Source. Thus I would attach a census source to a residence event, occupation event, name, birthdate etc. Remember, that just because there is a box in a form you do not have to put anything in it. I am not suggesting that you should follow my practice, but I am simply giving an illustration of one different way of doing things. As others have said, the choice is yours. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Mary Horner To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: 30 September 2009 05:44 Subject: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? I am a newbie to Legacy. I have a hugs amount of data gleaned from 7 Canadian census reports 1851-1911. Where do I input this info? I started by pasting the household under Master Source notes with the 'Head' showing everyone in the household and then each individual gets a single line under detail in the source menu and then again entering each individual in events but this seems so repetitive and will take forever. I am also concerned that when it comes to printing reports the same census material is going to be repeated over and over. Does Legacy have instructions somewhere as to how to enter census info? All I can find is how to download a blank form. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines:
RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?
Bill: You'll be doubly-glad you didn't do it earlier when you start citing census sources with Legacy and see how fast and easy it is. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of William H. Boswell Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? Maybe I misread it, but they do have jurisdictions which are just as bad. Some of the Special Populations Schedules (Pg. 288) show NARA microfilm numbers in the Source List Entry. I skipped the entire census part when I saw how confusing it was and more work. I figured one day when I get all my data together I'd reorganize it. I'm glad I didn't do it in FTM after reorganizing my sources otherwise I'd probably be doing it again. Bill -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:54 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? Bill: I also have _Evidence Explained_ and have studied it pretty carefully but have never seen a recommendation to break down census citations by film roll. Rather, Mills recommends grouping sources by author and title (for books), collections (for manuscripts), geographical area, repositories, or source type. Film Series is just a recommended *element* of the census source citation that is added automatically if you use Legacy's SourceWriter template for the various censuses. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of William H. Boswell Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census? I only create a main source for each items such as the census. It is only by year and then cited for each family with their own information. That one citation is used for each family member/event. Other sources are just plain death certificate, birth certificate, newspapers (for obits) by the name of the newspaper, etc. I had renamed and reorganized all my sources last year in FTM 2009 and removed/merged all duplicates. It was a nightmare that I don't want to repeat. I know in Elizabeth Mills book, which I have, she lists that census records should be broken down by each film roll, location, etc. which I find impossible and probably impractical unless you want to spend the next 50 years redoing everything. This is a good book to have since I have found very good information for cemetery records and other sources. I no longer use the census as an event because I hated adding it to hundreds of people. I only use the information as a source for events as Ron mentioned. I did the same for obituaries too and don't do it anymore even though some still exist. I wish genealogy programs would have an internal form for adding census information that could be attached to source citations. I've been waiting for something like this for years. I usually just transcribed each line and do not always include all the information. I figure I can go back to the image source if I need more. Bill Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Children Sort Order (dates or no dates?)
For what it's worth, I use Cal 1820 when a dob is calculated from a record such as a census listing or age at death. Legacy accepts this as well as Cal 20 Nov 1820 and even a date range such as Cal 1820-1826 (for when sources differ). I wasn't comfortable with the Cal abbreviation in the beginning because in my mind it indicates calendar while Calc would indicate calculated, but I'm getting used to it now, and I see that others use it too. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Children Sort Order (dates or no dates?) Seems like someone recently posted here (I have a stickie on this!) that they use abt 1820 when the year has been indicated by a source; e.g., census listing. But they use est 1820 when they're using some other algorithm to come up with the year; e.g., Robert's calculations. Anything with abt can help research; anything with est is just a help to identify people in the list. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA
Sherry: Sure. I'm no computer whiz, so this will be pretty basic. When creating your message you need to choose Plain Text instead of HTML. That choice should be in a drop-down box at the top of your e-mail screen. Plain Text will give you a totally boring result like this one instead of a personalized font. Trimming your post means to delete non-essential messages from the bottom as well as deleting the Legacy tag lines that get automatically added to every message. We do this because some list members are on dial-up, and both HTML and repeated tag lines slow their download time and increase their costs. Note that I'm trimming earlier messages from this response because only your most recent is pertinent. Most of us forget the rules from time to time, and then eventually someone explodes. Don't want that to happen to a newbie G. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA Kirsten, Sorry about plain text and trimming posts, but I don't even know what that means. This is the first time I've ever been part of a user group. Can you help me to learn how to do this? I've been using my reply icon at the top of the message, typing my stuff, and sending it. Sherry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA
Sorry, Sherry. If you read this message on the LUG list you'll see that it still isn't in plain text. (I've converted it for this response and you can compare the two.) Also, I'm removing the two sets of links at the bottom (Legacy User Group guidelines). A new set will be added automatically when this message is sent to the list. If I hadn't removed the other two, there would be three sets at the bottom of this message--a bit of overkill. Have a look at the Help section of your e-mail program and look for instructions on using Plain Text, then give it another try. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:33 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA Kirsten, Did I do this right? Sherry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA
Sherry: You've got it. This one's perfect. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:04 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA Kirsten, I found my error. I had checked the box to view my messages in text. I went back and found where I had to check to compose my messages in text. Did this one work? Sherry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA
Ron: I was simply looking at the message itself. The first one today wasn't in plain text; the second one was--and with the taglines trimmed, too. Your message, and the copy of mine below, still looks pretty strange. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:00 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA ckeojfljiekgcjclakdiaeppicaa.vik...@rvi.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Kirsten=2C =20 I'm mainly sending this to check my output - think I've solved my posting p= roblem. =20 How were you checking that Diane's post was html=2C my look at the header s= tated =2C as I said that it was in Plain Text? Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA Date: Fri=2C 18 Sep 2009 09:51:50 -0700 Sorry=2C Sherry. If you read this message on the LUG list you'll see that= it still isn't in plain text. (I've converted it for this response and you= can compare the two.) Also=2C I'm removing the two sets of links at the bo= ttom (Legacy User Group guidelines). A new set will be added automaticall= y when this message is sent to the list. If I hadn't removed the other two= =2C there would be three sets at the bottom of this message--a bit of overk= ill. Have a look at the Help section of your e-mail program and look for instr= uctions on using Plain Text=2C then give it another try. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out
Sherry: I can't resist the urge to butt in here. Personally I'd *never* download a file from Ancestry or RootsWeb. If these people aren't sufficiently important to you to warrant entering them individually, carefully, and according to your own standards then you probably don't need them in your database. Begin with what you know and can prove with solid sources and enter that. When you hit a sticking point, then you can do a search at Ancestry (I actually prefer RootsWeb) to see if anyone else has researched that particular ancestor and if they give any clues to help expand your search. Look especially for files with source notes included and then check out those sources yourself. Avoid adopting any files indicating that the data came from someone else's GEDCOM or from other trees at Ancestry. Those may give you clues about where to look for proof, but don't accept them without checking the sources personally. And make full use of Legacy's Research Guidance. Unfortunately there's a tremendous amount of genealogical garbage in trees and even personal websites online and most of it comes from people downloading and merging GEDCOMs from others without checking to see if it makes sense. Ancestry seems dedicated to making that easier to do with every innovation. Off my soapbox now. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:22 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out Tom, Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way? Sherry - Original Message - From: TomK giz...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out Sherry, You asked: When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about trying to verify it? I would be careful with what information you enter into your database that you pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I personally do include such information if it seems to help obtain clues. Two things I would suggest when you add information to your database is that: 1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know where and from whom you recorded the information. There is nothing worse than to look at your database and wonder where you got a specific piece of information, especially if you find other records whose data conflicts with what you already have. 2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety Level, and use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be able to later identify those entries that I'm not sure of. You can include the Surety Level when you print Source Citations in your reports. Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation to verify/validate the information. Tom Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Same here, Jenny. I have 476 sources for 8170 names. If the sources weren't lumped there would surely be thousands. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:58 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Boyd Miller wrote So far I have only 300 master sources for 5000 names in the larger of my two families and this will grow a I replace some of the Marginal evidence sources with better ones. Blimey! I'm a dedicated lumper but I already have over 330 Master Sources for about 3,500 names. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Sherry from WA
Sherry: The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year. Who was attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording sources? There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can only do the best you can with what you have today. And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and they will). Good luck with your project. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out Hi Kirsten, Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When Do you import versus merging ??
George: When you import a GEDCOM from FTM into Legacy you'll probably be shocked at the data entry inconsistencies you'll find. I know I was, and many others have said the same thing. For this reason I think it would be best to handle the GEDCOMs separately. Open them in separate Legacy files and clean up one at a time before you consider merging them. Personally I *hate* merging files because I'm never quite sure exactly what's going to come along with the merge; I'd rather use the largest file as my base and then manually add data from the other smaller files. Other users are probably braver and can give you better guidance on merging if you decide on that route, but don't fail to clean up the files before merging. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of George Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:56 PM To: Legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When Do you import versus merging ?? I am just getting started with legacy and have a bunch of related (but poorly) FTM files I am converting to GEDCOM. I then want to combine the essence of these files into a single Legacy file. Can anyone suggest an orderly procedure for doing this ? I see different things that the legacy manual can help you organize-such as consistency in addresses etc. I just have trouble seeing what order things are best done in. Thanks for any help. George Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Sources suggestions
Doris: The way you *format* your individual source citations will accomplish the main part of your objective. The Legacy Source Writer templates and _EE_ will help a good deal in making sure you include the necessary elements and will put those elements in a consistent sequence. The way you *group* your sources in the Master Source List is a separate matter. That's more an issue of assigning consistent Source List Names to organize your list so that like things sort together to make it easier for you to find them quickly as the list grows. Because the list sorts by the informal Source List Name assigned to each, you could conceivably end up with several Master Sources for the same type of citation such as: 1910 US Census, New York, Kings County US Census, 1910, New York New York Census, 1910, Kings County If you used the 1910 Source Writer template to create different citations for each of these, the citations themselves would all look the same because the software dictates the sequence of the elements and how they appear. You would, however, have three different Master Sources and they would sort very far apart in your list. That's why it's helpful to decide early on the Source List Names given to your Master Sources. I begin all my census Master Sources with the year. That way they all sort in numerical order at the top of the list and I only have to type the 4-digit year to take me to the proper area of the list where I can quickly scroll down to see if I already have a Master Source for the appropriate country and state/province. I group book titles by putting book before the title in the Source List Name field. You might want to group your birth, marriage, and death records by geographical location and to do that you'd just name them Iowa, Jackson Co. birth and Iowa, Jackson Co. death, etc. Or if you have only a small number of bmd records you might want to group them all as vital records, in which case you could put a v at the beginning of each Source List Name when creating your Master Source. Some things are harder to decide: Do you want to group cemetery records by the name of the cemetery, or by the geographical area, or perhaps with death records? How about newspaper birth, marriage, or death announcements? Fortunately it's not too difficult to rename master sources later on if you change your mind about how they're grouped. I hope this gives you some ideas. Good luck with your organizing! Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Doris Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:44 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Sources suggestions Kirsten, Thanks for the reply! I realize I asked a lot in one email. I want my file organized with the mentally of do it best and do it right so that when others view my research the see the organization and will see exactly where I found what without having to interpret my system and redo research that has been completed. I want to be consistent in what other serious genealogists are doing, so any suggestions on group sourcing would be welcomed. For instance, I know that I will need to create birth records for each state/country. Doris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Chick: I know there are purists who have their own rules about surname spellings (as baptized or per the earliest record, etc.), but that way lies database insanity. Most early records were written by church or military officials or census enumerators anyway, and I don't see anything sacred about their spelling so where there are wide variations I use my own standard version as the preferred. My source citations always quote text exactly as shown so the original spelling is preserved. And if many co-researchers use a different spelling for a certain individual then I add that as an aka so it will be found in database searches. I have one surname with over 120 variations--and don't even get me started on Acadian or French Canadian records! IMO a standardized spelling for variable surnames is the only way to maintain an orderly database. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:50 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? WOW! I just learned another neat Legacy trick. Thanks Dave. I have several different spellings of Vanderberg (Vanderborg. Vandenburg etc) that I would like to sort under one spelling to make it easier to find duplicates etc. I realize that names should be entered as spelled, but with so many variations it is difficult to keep track of them all. I thought about using the AKA feature so they would be included in the index, but Dave's method appears to be easier. I also realize that some sort of note would have to be included so the original spelling is not lost. How do some of you handle this? Would appreciate some opinions... Chick On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Dave Naylor dcnay...@bell.net wrote: It is so simple to go to the Master Surname List and scroll down to M. Every unique surname beginning with M will be listed, and they can be edited (once for all individuals with that spelling) and can also be combined (where one has a space and another does not). There is no reason to change records individually. Cheers, -- Dave N. David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Sources suggestions
Doris: You covered a whole basket of topics in this post and I won't even try to respond to all, but I think the first one to address is organization of your Master Source List. Since you're an _EE_ fan, check p 67. I don't think it's possible (or even advisable) to apply an everything must match philosophy to organizing sources, and that's where Legacy's separate fields for Source List Name and Source Title comes in so handy. Books, for example, should be grouped by author and title, but that doesn't work at all for census records or for birth/marriage/death records. Some things lend themselves best to being grouped by geographic location and others work better when grouped by source type. Now that you apparently have a fairly long list of Master Sources, and before you begin reworking it, I'd suggest you take a close look at the items there and think about how to group them. That will then dictate the informal Source List Name you use (since the list is alphabetized by that name) and the Source Title (since that dictates the sequence in the bibliography). There are also some tricks that you can use to force the Master List sorting. For example, in the Source List Name I always preceed a book title with Book so all the books sort together alphabetically by title. Others use codes to accomplish the same thing. Neither of these will appear in the source notes or bibliography but they will definitely help to organize your list of Master Sources so that you can find things easily. By spending some serious thought up front on how to organize, I think you'll be much happier with the end result. I'm sure list members would be happy to suggest source grouping approaches if you ask. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Doris Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:13 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Sources suggestions Hi All, I am in hopes that some of you more experienced users can advise me on the best way to clean up master sources? When originally entered, I created a source (relative to whichever event) example Birth Certificate: Jane Doe, DOB. Now that my list of sources is getting so long, I thought I would use Legacy's SW and create one source per state per event, example for Birth Records: Pennsylvania, Birth Certificates After 1906. In my obsession also of everything must match, I am confusing myself as to what way is the best way is to represent my research. Since SW mirrors EE, I thought it would be best to switch to this format. The final result must make sense and be easy to follow so that I can be consistent here on out when adding new information. Truth be told, this attempt at organization maintenance is how I ended recreating my file from scratch while using FTM and now that the number of individuals in my file has quadrupled, I don't wish to repeat this nightmare. I have yet to make use of the tagging features in the program, mainly from a lack of understanding of how and why they would be used. Can tagging be used to mark the records I want to convert from an individual basic source to a source writer source? Or else, can it only be changed tediously, one record at time by adding and removing sources and than once a source has no one associated with it, deleting it? Some of you have mentioned the Source Template Conversion Tool, but if I am following correctly this feature is not yet available in the Legacy program? Any suggested work about, like maybe this L Tools some have mentioned? Hope I made enough sense that someone can offer some sage advice! Thanks! Doris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Paula: _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. Because I post my database at RootsWeb though, I use the version with no space as an alternate name. Otherwise RootsWeb searches for McDowell won't find Mc Dowell. That's likely to re-start the not a true aka discussion, but it's the way I do it. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with Mc.. leave a space or not? For example, Mc Dowell or McDowell...? In looking for ALL CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the Mc names both ways. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Problem with Em dash - is this bug?
Jenny and Dan: I use the extended character set frequently for German and Norwegian characters and haven't noticed any problems. If it were a general issue with extended characters, wouldn't it apply to those (such as Alt 0223 for ß) as well as to the em dash, or am I out of my league in the troubleshooting arena? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Dan Bateham Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with Em dash - is this bug? Hi Jenny, I've notice the same thing about em dashes and for the same reasons. As a result, have reluctantly resorted to using two dashes as in -- until this is fixed in Legacy (waiting and hoping patiently). Kind regards, Dan Bateham - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Problem with Em dash - is this bug? When I quote text from documents, newspapers, etc I like to make the transcription as accurate as I possibly can, so I copy all punctuation, abbreviations, etc. In newspaper BMD announcements in particular, the use of the em dash is quite common. I have been using Alt-0151 to insert the em dash where required, for example Benson—On the 4th..., when entering text into Event Notes or Source Detail Text. However, I have now noticed that if I open that screen again there have been 2 spaces added after the em dash, Benson— On the 4th... If I make some change and save that screen, next time I go in there will be 2 *more* spaces inserted after the em dash. If I don't re-save the screen just the 2 spaces remain. If I delete the spaces and save the screen there will be 2 spaces again next time I open it. Now, is this a true bug or am I, in using the extended character set, asking for something which Legacy is not designed to do? -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Family History Center
Robert: Find a different FHC volunteer to work with; this one is obviously uninformed about software (and possibly about genealogy in general). There's no reason for you to jump through hoops and use an outmoded program to satisfy a person who is just trying to channel you into his own comfort zone. There's no comparison between Legacy and PAF, so stick to your guns. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Robert Carneal USA Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Family History Center This is -almost- off topic, to me. I took a copy of my Legacy family file with me to our local family history center. The librarian there had never heard of it- and pushed PAF as hard as he could, trying to shoot down Legacy every way he could. It is easier to cooperate than to fight g- so I have a question please: Has anyone converted from a Legacy family file to a PAF family file, used that file at a FHC, and when you get home, import back into Legacy all right? How do you convert safely? That is, not lose any events that are not standard to PAF but are all right with Legacy? Thank you. Robert Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Using Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. Neither Help nor Customize give any clues, so . . . I have a child with known birth parents (the Browns) and known adoptive parents (the Petries). There may be a relationship between the two couples, but that is currently unknown. I've entered the child (Hannah Brown) as a daughter of both sets of parents and noted her Child Status as Adopted by the Petries. The only place I see any indication of the adoption is on the Assigned Sources screen for Hannah and on the panel next to the Name List (buried under the Family tab). There's nothing I can see that appears on Hannah's Individual Information screen to indicate she had two sets of parents, and nothing prints in Descendant Book Reports for either set of parents regarding the adoptive situation. Is there a flag, icon, or a setting somewhere that I'm not seeing? I don't want to lose track of this situation and would like to see it noted somehow in the Descendant Book Report. Is that possible? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
CE: Thanks for the very thorough instructions. The problem was that for some reason I didn't have the Parents icon on the toolbar. It works a treat and provides the perfect flag for the situation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of CE Wood Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question On Hannah's Individual Information Screen, add the Event - Adoption. Enter the information you have regarding the adoption. The indication that she has two sets of parents is on the Family View Screen. Under her information on that screen, there are icons, one of which is Parents (a couple with white hair). If you have entered her as a child of both sets of parents, there will be a box to the lower left of the Parents icon that will have a 2 in it. When you click on the Parents icon, she will have two sets of parents shown. There are boxes at the bottom of that Parents Screen: Child Status, Relationship to Father, and Relationship to Mother. For each highlighted set of parents, enter the appropriate from the drop-down list. In the Descendant Book Report for any one of the 4 parents, she will show. At her generation level, the Event of her adoption will also show. You should also experiment with the Report OptionsInclude Tab for the report, on which there are options to include Child Status and/or Child-parent relationships. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Using Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. Neither Help nor Customize give any clues, so . . I have a child with known birth parents (the Browns) and known adoptive parents (the Petries). There may be a relationship between the two couples, but that is currently unknown. I've entered the child (Hannah Brown) as a daughter of both sets of parents and noted her Child Status as Adopted by the Petries. The only place I see any indication of the adoption is on the Assigned Sources screen for Hannah and on the panel next to the Name List (buried under the Family tab). There's nothing I can see that appears on Hannah's Individual Information screen to indicate she had two sets of parents, and nothing prints in Descendant Book Reports for either set of parents regarding the adoptive situation. Is there a flag, icon, or a setting somewhere that I'm not seeing? I don't want to lose track of this situation and would like to see it noted somehow in the Descendant Book Report. Is that possible? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Gary: Sounds very sensible, but I waited two months before upgrading to 7.0 and then suffered through endless months of headaches with a totally useless (to me) program because of the source citation bugs and inability to produce any satisfactory reports. I'm not chancing that again. Call me chicken G. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question However, it was released July 17 and in three weeks there have not been reports on this list of major new problems so I would not call it premature to update now. When there are a lot of users it usually doesn't take long for big issues to raise their head so after a week or two you should feel pretty confident. Besides, these updates typically contain both new features AND important bug fixes, so the benefits almost always outweigh the risks. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Sorry, Ron, but I've been snookered into premature updates before. Once burned, twice shy. Checks are in place as you recommended. Thanks. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:20 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Kirsten, Although not relevant to your problem I would suggest that you update to 7.0.0.100. On Descendant Book ReportReport OptionsInclude, ensure that child status and Child-parent relationship are checked. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Upgrading Legacy
Ron: Yes, I understand that V7 was a huge change and that recent updates have been relatively minor tweaks but after having gone through months of misery after the initial V7 upgrade I now have a version of Legacy that works beautifully for me and I'm just not inclined to mess around with it. Others are welcome to jump on the newer bandwagons, but I'm standing pat--probably for a good long while. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:40 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Kirsten, With respect, that is a lot different. I can understand a reluctance to *Upgrade* to a new version where complete new sections of code, or functionality, have been added eg. in V7 there was Mapping, Source Writer, integrated Charting etc. An *Update* is quite different and involves the correction of coding bugs present in the current version, and maybe the improvement in the way in which a function operates. Rarely does this introduce other problems. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:07:24 -0700 Gary: Sounds very sensible, but I waited two months before upgrading to 7.0 and then suffered through endless months of headaches with a totally useless (to me) program because of the source citation bugs and inability to produce any satisfactory reports. I'm not chancing that again. Call me chicken . Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question However, it was released July 17 and in three weeks there have not been reports on this list of major new problems so I would not call it premature to update now. When there are a lot of users it usually doesn't take long for big issues to raise their head so after a week or two you should feel pretty confident. Besides, these updates typically contain both new features AND important bug fixes, so the benefits almost always outweigh the risks. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman To: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Sorry, Ron, but I've been snookered into premature updates before. Once burned, twice shy. Checks are in place as you recommended. Thanks. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:20 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Kirsten, Although not relevant to your problem I would suggest that you update to 7.0.0.100. On Descendant Book ReportReport OptionsInclude, ensure that child status and Child-parent relationship are checked. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Gedcom problem uploading to Ancestry
William: I've had all sorts of problems with Firefox and Ancestry in the past. I believe Ancestry says the Firefox compatibility issue has been resolved, but I'm dubious. I really don't think it has anything to do with Legacy. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of William Sinclair Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom problem uploading to Ancestry Problem solved I would appear to have been firefox that was the problem, I suspected you wanted me to try another browser, so I tried IE and it appears to have uploaded fine. Thanks to all respondents. William Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See
I agree. There isn't much that I miss about FTM, but these were *very* handy features. Now I just periodically GEDCOM my Legacy database into an old version of FTM and sort/scan the name list. It's a clunky way to accomplish what Legacy should be able to do so easily. If it's put on the Suggest A Feature list without results, what's wrong with raising it again on the LUG? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Anne Hildrum Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:52 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See I second your wishes. I really miss those two for the same reason. Anne - Original Message - From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See I have been using Legacy for almost a year now (since V7 came out.) My previous program was Family Tree Maker. Following are two features that I would like to see incorporated into Legacy: 1. The ability for Legacy to recognize a possible duplicate person when he/she is being entered. I search for duplicates quite often because I have inadvertenly entered a person without realizing he/she is already in my database. I know how to use the merge function and search for duplicates, but it would be nice if Legacy would catch a duplication when the name is being entered and warn that it is a possible duplicate. 2. The ability to sort/search the index by birth date as well as alphabetically or by RIN. This is one feature of FTM I really miss. I often found people who were the same, but had their names spelled slightly different. Comparing individuals by birth date rather than name will sometimes reveal the existence of an un-connected individual with a different name or name change. I have had several instances where I have been able to connect individuals to families by comparing birth dates. If enough of us request these features, maybe the powers to be will incorporate them into the next upgrade. Chick Lewis California Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question
Cathy: I'd say you should absolutely group the whole family in one citation. Breaking them into separate citations for individual family member would lead to craziness--not to mention loss of the complete family picture. I frequently find two related families on a single page or on adjacent pages and include both families in a single citation, making it clear, of course, that they are separate households. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Cathy Vallevieni Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question If I understand it correctly when citing a Census, the citation includes the name of the person (ID of Person in Legacy) and that means each family member's name would be listed separately for the source assigned to them. Since each different citation shows up as a separate source in the endnotes, if there's a family of 10, then there would be 10 separate citations in the endnotes for that single Census. This would add up for 3 or 4 or more Census' per family. Is it appropriate to just enter in the ID of Person field just the head of household's name (i.e. John Smith Family) for all citations of that Census rather than each individual's name when assigning that Census to each family member listed on the Census? In other words for the 1850 Census for John Smith's family, instead of listing Sally Smith on the Detail Source for her, Jim Smith on his, John Smith on his, etc, would it be appropriate to list John Smith Family as the ID of Person on the Detail Source for all family members resulting in one citation in the endnotes? Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question
Cathy: Oh, then that's a completely different ballgame. I've never seen published protocol regarding the listing of events as there is for citing sources. Events don't suit my particular purposes so I don't use them (everything is included in the Source Detail), and I'll have to defer to one of the list members who does make use of the Events feature. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Cathy Vallevieni Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:19 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question Kirsten: I think I didn't word the question properly. I am entering one source for the Census with all the family members as an Event but, when I add that Event to each person and assign a source to the event, on the Detail Source screen, it asks for the ID of Person which prints in the Source Citation in the endnotes. For just that entry in the Detail Source screen for the Source Citation, would you enter each person separately or use a generic ID for all so there is just one Source Citation listed in the endnotes rather than a Source Citation for each person? Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 11:40 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote: Cathy: I'd say you should absolutely group the whole family in one citation. Breaking them into separate citations for individual family member would lead to craziness--not to mention loss of the complete family picture. I frequently find two related families on a single page or on adjacent pages and include both families in a single citation, making it clear, of course, that they are separate households. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Cathy Vallevieni Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question If I understand it correctly when citing a Census, the citation includes the name of the person (ID of Person in Legacy) and that means each family member's name would be listed separately for the source assigned to them. Since each different citation shows up as a separate source in the endnotes, if there's a family of 10, then there would be 10 separate citations in the endnotes for that single Census. This would add up for 3 or 4 or more Census' per family. Is it appropriate to just enter in the ID of Person field just the head of household's name (i.e. John Smith Family) for all citations of that Census rather than each individual's name when assigning that Census to each family member listed on the Census? In other words for the 1850 Census for John Smith's family, instead of listing Sally Smith on the Detail Source for her, Jim Smith on his, John Smith on his, etc, would it be appropriate to list John Smith Family as the ID of Person on the Detail Source for all family members resulting in one citation in the endnotes? Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues
Ross: That's the way it's supposed to work. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ross Chapman Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues I found the sort button on the Master Location list, and the direction of sort feature, that did change all the info on the master list to right to left, however the data that is in the individual information screens never changed to match the sort parameters. Ross Chapman Toronto, Ontario, Canada ross.chap...@rogers.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues
Ross: Go to the Master Location List and look for the button called Sort. It's a simple matter to flip back and forth between styles; no conversion required. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ross Chapman Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:20 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues So then... the question is will the program convert the current locations system wide or will I have to manually convert each location? If the system will convert the names what are the steps to do so? Ross Chapman Toronto, Ontario, Canada ross.chap...@rogers.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues
Ross: I agree with Ron and Mike and don't get too hung up on following the city, county, state, country scheme (and don't use the placeholder commas either). It hasn't caused any problems for me but I don't know what impact it might have on mapping or some other Legacy features. If you really want to stick with the 4-part system though, you could use *either* the village or the township rather than both, putting the missing element in your notes, or you could call it Rosseau Village Foley Township (no comma) or even Rosseau Village in Foley Township. Either one would keep it all in the city position. Parry Sound would then go in the county position. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ross Chapman Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Location Issues I completely understand the formatting for locations within Legacy. However I have some locations in Northern Ontario that are 5 sections not the standard 4. An example is Rosseau Village, Foley Township, Parry Sound District, Ontario, Canada. I have gone through about 20 pages of archives and haven't seen too much about that type of formatting. Any suggestions on this without screwing up the current system presets? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] the word 'someone' stuck in sentence
Paula: I believe this is a bug. There was a thread on the topic a few months ago with a subject something like Mary married Someone. It seems that once the someone is triggered, adding a name to the field doesn't turn it off but only adds it to the name in the field so you get John married someone Mary. I don't recall whether this was ever reported. I wonder if some sequence of unlinking and reattaching the parents would clear the someone. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] the word 'someone' stuck in sentence Okay, this is for all you mystery lovers out there. I first entered a couple based on the child's census listing, and here's how it looked (basically) in the Ancestor Book: 10. KOYLE (just the last name) was born in Ireland. KOYLE married someone Unknown. Unknown was born in Pennsylvania. ... 11. Unknown was born in Pennsylvania. Unknown married someone KOYLE. Koyle was born in Ireland. Subsequently, I found a census listing for them, so I entered their first names, and here's how it looks now: 10. William KOYLE was born in 1835 in Ireland. ... William married someone Mary. Mary was born in 1841 in Maryland. ... 11. Mary was born in 1841 in Maryland. ... Mary married someone William KOYLE. William was born in 1835 in Ireland. I have never noticed this word someone in the report before, but that doesn't mean it hasn't always worked that way. What triggers using the word someone ? Must have something to do with my having added the individuals without first names at first? But shouldn't that go away now? (I mean, even with just the surname of KOYLE, it shouldn't have been there the first time, right?) Thanks for your sleuthing. --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] source types - new not integrated?
Paula: It's true that the field for Jurisdiction City appears on the Detail Information screen of the Source Clipboard rather than as part of the Master Source, but it doesn't mean you *have* to use it that way. You can really put anything you want in any field as long as you're aware of how the program treats that field--which is easy to see in the Output Preview. You can experiment with the census templates and force them to give you what you want rather than letting them force you. And you're right: You probably will be looking at the issue again in a couple of years--if not sooner ;-). Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source types - new not integrated? Rich, I am where you are. Not quite so many, but my people are concentrated in certain areas. I am again wrestling with the county vs. locality level of splitting, because with the new Source Writer thing, they seem to force you to go to the detail level for the locality. Why do I think I will be looking at this issue again a couple years from now? haha --Paula --- On Tue, 6/9/09, RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net wrote: In my case, it is also a function of quantity per source. In some cities I have over 50 each, on the various census dates, and in that state over 200 per, so I need to split some up, and decided to maintain uniformity over the database. I was a splitter before the 'name' was coined, or at least before I heard it. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] citing census sources
Paula:
Jenny answered the part of your question about whether text is stored
multiple times. As far as Master Source List organization is concerned, I
arranged and rearranged mine a few times before settling on the current
version which works very well for me. With census listings my master
sources are arranged by year with the country included (i.e. 1850 US
Census or 1851 Canada Census), followed by the state/province, and then
the county. Just one system for you to consider.
Kirsten
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of
paula.ryburn
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:25 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] citing census sources
I know this topic has been discussed to death but I don't remember the
answer to one question.
For some of my census data I have the actual images/pictures (.jpg files),
and for the rest I just have text of the listings.
I'm pretty sure that if I attach the pictures at the detail level, they
aren't actually stored multiple times; there's just multiple links to that
picture.
What I don't remember is... If I copy paste the text into the text box at
the detail level, then proceed to cite this source (say, from the clipboard)
on multiple people, is that text stored multiple times? (I don't
think so, but feel the need to ask.)
(Yes, I am again wrestling with the way I have my census sources set up...
right now they are by page or family (rather than county) in the master list
I am re-thinking that...)
Thanks in advance,
--Paula in Texas
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RE: [LegacyUG] Descendent Book Report
Ruth: Yes, I saw those too. But I was so happy to *finally* have a close-to-decent RTF / Word.doc report with the other massive problems corrected that I just got used to going through and adding blank lines. Of course my reports are usually 1-generation deals on a single family group so it's no big chore. Your situation may be much different. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ruth Nerud Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Descendent Book Report Goodness me! the current version Legacy 7.0.0.90 still has problems with the Descendent Book Report. If I look at a preview of the report or PDF, it's fine, but if I create a RTF, this is what happens: No blank lines between main data and general notes or events No blank line after notes/events and list of children The words: Children from this marriage were: (or variations of this sentence) are missing in RTF Alternate names do not appear in the Index Has anyone else noticed these problems? If the report is correct in the preview, but not in RTF, I'm pretty sure it's not something I've checked incorrectly. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud baber...@worldnet.att.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Source Comments and GEDCOM
My source notes in Legacy contain many comments added in the second box under the Text Comments tab of the Source Detail screen. The box to add these comments to reports is checked. In producing a GEDCOM (5.5) for posting at RootsWeb I have customized slightly in order to produce a cleaner looking page. This included removing a few of the lines under Items to be Exported. I've noticed that the text in the Comments box does not transfer to the GEDCOM--or at least it doesn't appear on the RootsWeb WorldConnect pages. Can anyone tell me whether the Source Comments box is linked to a particular item in the list of GEDCOM codes and if so, which one? At this point, I'm not sure whether the omission is caused by eliminating some of the items to be exported or by a selection made in administering the GEDCOM--or perhaps it's just the way the Legacy GEDCOM export is working currently. Hopefully I've made this coherent enough that someone can follow and help. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sources
Mike: This borders on the classic lumper or splitter issue (see list archives), and there is no one *right* way. Your master source structure is the key. Some users create separate master sources for each census year, others break them down by state or province, many break them down by county. Then, using the appropriate master source, you do list the individual(s) in the detail. Personally, I list all family members together in a single citation. If there are two related families on a single page, I list both in a single citation to illustrate the proximity. Doing a separate source citation for each individual in a family would be a major chore and, I think, would destroy the picture of the family structure. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Michael L. Thomas Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 AM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources I would like to do things right. My question deals with the census. Do I create a for each census and then just edit the source details for each person, and how do you cite all the people on the same page like the families? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
Pam: I would cite it the same as any other obituary. In the field for Text Comments you would either type the entire obituary or, if it's long you can extract and list the pertinent facts, including the daughter's husband's name. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Pam O'Dell Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:51 PM To: Legacy Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Starting Master Source List
Howland: Wouldn't the Family Group Sheet Privately Held work for you? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of howlanddavi...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Starting Master Source List Listers: I am having trouble getting started with my sources. I am not a beginner using Legacy but I am one as far as sources go. I had a file of many names in a genealogical file. Unfortunately, I had not saved that file of my genealogy information on a flash drive when disaster struck, partly due to the computer and partly due to my stupidity. In that old file, I had not had any sources shown so here I am about to begin again and I want to add sources as I go. My problem is that my first source is a not a usual one (i.e., book, census, web site, etc.). It is a family descendancy chart prepared by an _ancestor_. Could I have some suggestions as to how to start. I have the Legacy 7.0 book and it shows to use key words and then to click on a Search icon but I don't see one. What am I missing? Howland Davis -- Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When to fill in the Repository?
Brian: With _EE_ you have the latest thinking on whether or not to list repositories and I can't argue with that logic. Sometimes, though, I want to recheck a book and don't remember whether I found it on the library shelf, at the local genealogical society, or perhaps I ordered through inter-library loan. After running into that a couple of times I started recording the location in my source notes, although not in a field that prints with the formal source citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian Beddor Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:33 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to fill in the Repository? Hi, I'm using the newest Legacy 7 version. When adding a master source using Source Writer there is a tab for Repository where one can fill in where the source is located. The video Legacy's Ultimate Guide to Sources section 2) Add a New Source has Geoff Rasmussen using the example of adding a new source which is a book. He mentions that since a book is published the title should be in italics. He then shows the Repository tab which listed the Family History Library in Utah. Also, in the Legacy video Researching w/Legacy: Events Chronologies, section 2 - Census Records has Geoff entering a sample census record that he found at Ancestry. After entering the source information, Geoff says to be sure to fill in the repository. So, for the most part I've been filling in the address of the Repository when I know it. However, I've been looking at Elizabeth Shown Mills' book Evidence Explained she seems to indicate only non-published material has the repository cited. 2.19 Citing Repositories When citing manuscripts that exist in only one place, the identity of that repository is an essential part of our citation. When citing books, film, and other published materials that are widely available, the name of the repository at which we used the source is not included in our formal citation. 2.33 Core Elements to Cite ...Within this architecture, a website is not a repository. Conceptually, the repository is the Internet or the World Wide Web. The distinction matters. When a citation template within our data-management software asks us to identify a repository, we invoke a basic rule covered at 2.19: in published citations, repositories are cited only for manuscript material exclusive to the repository where we used it. Repositories are not cited for published sources. To enter a website's name as our repository would be to say that the website's name I not an essential part of the citation. Therefore, the software might automatically omit it in printing out reference notes. So, two questions: 1. Using Legacy, should one always fill in the Repository when known or only when it is for unpublished material? 2. Does the Legacy software automatically figure out if the Repository should be included in the citation and only put it in when appropriate? Thanks, Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Assigned Sources List with incorrect data
Marilyn: I believe the woman's name is there so you will know which couple you're assigning a source to. If there were only one wife that would be obvious, but with 2-3 wives you need a little clue. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Marilyn Clark Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Assigned Sources List with incorrect data There actually is no citation for these source fields. The program simply fills in the spouse's name right in the first Events column, even when it says Did not marry: SPOUSE'S NAME which makes no sense to me!! As I said in the other post, I will ignore these fields. Yes, I assign sources for everything I enter into the Legacy program. Usually by using the Cite a Master Source button and going on from there. Thanks for the response. This is a great group! Thanks again. Marilyn --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote: From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Assigned Sources List with incorrect data To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:16 PM On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Marilyn Clark paddypeppe...@yahoo.com wrote: In Family view, when I click on the book icon to display Assigned Sources for: George LITTLE, at the bottom of the Events and Source List Names are several Events that are followed by a colon (:). The ones with erroneous info are: Had No Children: Kate HUNTER and Did Not Marry: Kate HUNTER However, George LITTLE actually DID marry Kate HUNTER, and yes, they DID have children. So you are saying that these citations should not be there? I can't speak for the GEDCOM import, but when you add a couple manually are you assigning sources? How? Walk us thru the steps you take. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] order of names
Randolph: I suspect your correspondent has misinterpreted something somewhere along the line. The sequence you describe would be extremely confusing and is not at all common in the US. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Randolph Clark Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:34 PM To: legacyusergroup Subject: [LegacyUG] order of names In what I viewed as trying to be helpful I fired off a quick note to an Ancestry.com poster to let her know that she had reversed portions of my cousins name. Below is part of her response: The order of the names has to do with the Ancestry suggestion that runs throughout my extensive trees and is common in the US. The important for genealogy reasons maiden name is placed at the end and any married last names placed after the first name. Has anyone ever heard of this? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Disproven Birth?
Brian: As Ron said, there are many different ways of using Legacy and it takes time plus trial and error to develop your own methods. For example, I don't use Events at all but I'm *huge* on source notes. With data conflicts I'd create a source citation to be attached to the appropriate field, quote the data from the erroneous source and in the Source Comments field I'd explain why I believe the data to be incorrect. For me, this is a much cleaner and simpler system for recording all the conflicting dates and places found during the course of research. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian Beddor Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Disproven Birth? Hi, In the Legacy Training video Researching with Legacy: Events and Chronologies Geoff Rasmussen gives an example of a person having conflicting birth information. So, he creates an event titled Alt Birth. This I understand and can do. However he goes on to say that afterwards if one resolves the conflict that one should enter a new event called Disproven birth. I cannot find this in the Events list. How do others handle it when a conflict, such as a birth year, is resolved? Should I create a custom event called Disproven birth? Thanks, Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Error 91
Terri: That's an impressive round of detecting you've done here. I'm certainly impressed by your patience and thoroughness. I've never had an Error 91 problem myself, but it seems that the folks who have should really appreciate your time and effort in researching the trouble. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 I have one file only that generates an Error 91 on a regular basis and I spent a good portion of yesterday afternoon testing. I found I had 2 separate Error 91 messages: 1) Error reading preferred picture and 2) Error reading individual. I found the offending preferred picture by opening each folder which holds my images and using the thumbnail view. The bad image did not generate a thumbnail. I replaced that image and Error 91 message number 1 is resolved. I still don't have an answer for the 2nd Error 91 message. However, I found that I can successfully backup from any tab EXCEPT the Family tab. I get error-free backups from the Legacy Home, Pedigree, Descendant, Chronology and Index tabs. If the Family tab is displaying a couple with children an Error 91 is guaranteed. If the Family tab is displaying a single female with children an Error 91 will occur. If the Family tab is displaying a single male with male female children an Error 91 will occur. However if there are only males displayed in the family tab there is a chance the backup will be successful. If the Family tab is displaying a childless couple or a single person (male or female), the backup will be successful. This behavior is the same on two different machines: a custom-built PC and a Dell Inspiron B130 laptop. The file is converted from FTM but 2 other FTM converts are fine. Legacy and Windows XP Pro are always up-to-date. I tried all the usual troubleshooting but so far nothing will make the Error 91 Error reading individual message go away. So for now I just make sure I back up from any tab EXCEPT the Family tab. I sent this information to the Support team already. Hopefully it will help others. Terri Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Selecting Source Multiple Times for One Person
Oh Barbara, that's so sad! What you're missing is one of Legacy's greatest features: the Source Clipboard. Build your source citation on the Source Clipboard and then it takes just one click on each field where you want to attach it. If you find later that you inadvertently missed a field, you can go back and re-copy the citation to the Clipboard and then attach it to the additional field. Read about the Source Clipboard in Help or experiment with it. You'll love it! Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Selecting Source Multiple Times for One Person I have never been able to have a clear understanding as to this question: Is it possible to do something OTHER than saving, closing, ETC., several times, to add the same source to each aspect of a person. That's not clear, sorry. What I mean is this: When putting in information about a person, right now I am having to click, save, etc., for each fact, such as Name, Birth, Death, Burial, when usually it is the same source for all of those. I'm spending hours. Surely there is a better way. What am I missing? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter Template Problem
Sherry: Thanks for checking. It may be a quirk with .76 that was fixed in .86. I tried two from scratch using that template and got the same result both times. No italics in the other templates that I use, though. Guess I need to update. Thanks again. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of S. Fry Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter Template Problem Apologies for sending this third e-mail, if the first e-mail makes it to the list. The second e-mail DID make the list, but is senseless without the first! I have several sources created with SourceWriter for online books as well as printed books with information in the Comments boxes of both the source and the detail. None of the text is italicized. I created a new fake source to see if something had changed recently. Again there were no italics. I copied these book sources to the Source Clipboard, added them to new events. Never any italics. I have Legacy 7.0.0.86. Sherry - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter Template Problem I'm having a problem with a master source created using the SourceWriter template Book book, authored author known online book. When brought onto the Source Clipboard, everything typed into either of the Text Comments boxes appears in italics. The text doesn't show as italicized when typed, only after it's added to a field as a source for a given fact (name, dob, etc.) I've tried highlighting the text and clicking the italics button and also typing the text into Notepad then copying/pasting into the detail boxes but nothing will clear the italics. I'm using Legacy 7.0.0.76. Does anyone else see the same result with this version or with the later update? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] SourceWriter Template Problem
I'm having a problem with a master source created using the SourceWriter template Book book, authored author known online book. When brought onto the Source Clipboard, everything typed into either of the Text Comments boxes appears in italics. The text doesn't show as italicized when typed, only after it's added to a field as a source for a given fact (name, dob, etc.) I've tried highlighting the text and clicking the italics button and also typing the text into Notepad then copying/pasting into the detail boxes but nothing will clear the italics. I'm using Legacy 7.0.0.76. Does anyone else see the same result with this version or with the later update? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages
Dave: In the interest of streamlining, I've stopped saving paper and/or digital images of things that are readily available online. This could be dangerous with data found on obscure sites, but I can't imagine that census records will someday *not* be available in some form. I do, however, put a full transcription of the family's listing in my source notes. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Dave Johnson Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages For the past couple of months, I have been documenting the history of my family using the Census in the US, Ireland, Scotland, England, etc. I have used the SourceWriter to document each entry. For many of my earlier entries and a few of my later entries, I have gone back to the census and scrolled to the appropriate page and found the data quickly. This tells me that my source details pass the test of findability. Now I am wondering if it is worth the effort to make a digital copy of each census record to include with each reference to the census document in Resident, Occupation, Emigration, and Religion Events. How would you professionals answer this query? Dave Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages
Ron: I transcribe the census listings in source notes because the two main uses for my database are for posting at RootsWeb (where attachments wouldn't be allowed) and for sharing reports with other researchers (who can verify the images themselves if they wish). I especially like having the transcription as a source note because I can add comments regarding conflicts, spelling variations, etc. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:58 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages Kirsten, Just out of interest, why do you transcribe the census details rather than attach the image to your Source Detail? This is what I do, not only for the reason you give but also because I have immediate access to the census image should I wish to check something eg a questionable age for a person. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Improved Interface for OpenOffice.org Contacts Database http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:41:37 -0800 Dave: In the interest of streamlining, I've stopped saving paper and/or digital images of things that are readily available online. This could be dangerous with data found on obscure sites, but I can't imagine that census records will someday *not* be available in some form. I do, however, put a full transcription of the family's listing in my source notes. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Has anyone
Toni: I converted from FTM via GEDCOM some time ago without a single hiccup. Of course, I was shocked by the data entry inconsistencies that were nearly invisible in FTM but very apparent (and relatively easy to correct) in Legacy. You shouldn't be put off by the problems posted to the list. Many times they're from users who just haven't yet found the key to getting the result they want. The program has a huge array of sophisticated features and it takes time to find/learn them all, but the basics are very simple and straightforward. Post your specific problems and you'll get good responses from users on the list. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of toni evans Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Has anyone Has anyone else had converting problems that I am experiencing with FTM gedcom sent to Legacy De Luxe prog. I knew that there would be more problems the like of which I have never struck in 20 yrs. of genealogy. Right now would like to feel I am not alone in this and so I wonder is the prog. worth it especially reading all the problems showing on the list which I have not started on. Toni Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Entering German place names
Shelly: It would depend on the year of the event you're recording and also on whether or not you try to record names in the language of the country or by their English names. Personally, Germany makes me crazy, so I cheat and list the city, state, and now Germany for the country. This really isn't correct, and if you want a scholarly result you'd need to spend a fair amount of time researching the country's history--which wouldn't be a bad thing if you're working on several generations of German ancestors. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering German place names So this would be acceptable? Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Deutschland Shelly - Original Message - From: seaic2008-...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering German place names Shelly, Most of my ancestors were from Germany and I enter them as town, state, country. For example, Jöhlingen, Baden, Germany. Marie --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net wrote: From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering German place names To: Legacy E-Mail List LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:07 PM What is the correct way to enter German place names? I am not sure how many sections there are for German place names. For American there are four city, county, state, country I am not sure if Germany follows this same pattern? Shelly Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Naming Convention
Hello Dave, and Welcome! You're absolutely correct in entering women in your database according to their birth name; this is standard operating procedure. You'll probably run into many data entry questions like this as you go along and since you're wanting to start out on the right foot, I would suggest reading Getting It Right by Mary H. Slawson which I believe can be ordered through the Legacy store. This book goes through each data entry field and recommends proper formats for handling more situations than you could imagine. Personally I don't agree with all of the recommendations and have marked up my copy as a reminder of the areas where I deviate so the book essentially becomes your own style manual. One of the most valuable things it will do is to help ensure that your data entry is consistent--an important goal that we all strive for. You're also off to an excellent start in paying attention to sourcing from the very beginning. I agree with Elizabeth's advice in that you're unlikely to want to use surnames as part of your master source names except in rare instances. You're much more likely to want to name sources according to *type.* For example, one of the most common sources is the census. If you have several family members in the same location during the same census year you wouldn't want to have a separate master source for each family's name. Instead, you would want to have the master source entry include at least the country, probably the year, perhaps the state or province, and possibly even the county. That way you can use the same master source several times and only vary the details for each family's listing. It saves a lot of repetitive typing. And don't get overly bound up in the data entry and/or sourcing details too early in the game. No matter what you decide at the outset, you'll probably change your mind about something after working with several dozen records. Fortunately Legacy makes it fairly painless to go back and switch methods. I avoided the placeholder commas in locations at first, then decided after about 3,000 records that I should be using them, then changed my mind at about 5,000 records and deleted them again. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Dave Williams Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Naming Convention I am new to this user group and fairly new to genealogy in general, and I want to start out on the right foot. I know that women entered into family group records should be entered under their maiden names. But how do you handle sources, events and such after their name changes in marriage? Case in point, my mother. Her maiden name was Shirley Akers. Her name became Shirley Williams when she married. I entered her on the family group sheet as Akers. But many of the events in her later life, as well as many of her letters, published articles and e-mails that I have as sources, are under the name of Williams. I'm thinking I would cite sources just like anyone else, but put the master source name under Akers. Any suggestions? I'm a bit confused on this point. Thanks in advance for advice. I'm looking forward to learning from this group. Dave Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report - Edit
Momalot: When you are in Chronology view the Edit selection will only bring up the Individual Screen for the person who was highlighted in Family View and you can only edit that particular person. If you see something you want to edit for a spouse or a child, for instance, you must go back to Family View and click on that person to edit their information. You can't make changes directly in the Chronology; you can only make changes at the individual's information screen. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of momalo...@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:54 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report - Edit When I clicked on the Chronology tab in the main view, I saw some material I wanted to edit . . . but the links don't seem to help me get to the right place to EDIT. Please advise. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
jaemtp: The training CD's get very favorable reviews but I don't think they're at all necessary in order to use the software. Having transferred from FTM a few years ago, I was able to jump in to Legacy with no manual and only the free online video. Beyond that, many helpful tips can be picked up just from this mailing list. It's unfortunate that you seem to have tangled straight off with a troublesome feature (the source converter) that was included in the manual but pulled from v.7 before it was released. Yes, there have been bugs with the v.7 release, and I complained probably louder than most, but many have been corrected now and Legacy is really an outstanding program. I'd rather deal with the remaining small issues than go off to another program. If you're still having problems with the software, do post those and 9 times out of 10 you'll get an answer. On this list, though, it's critical to use plain text and trim your posts; otherwise list members tend to focus on the abuse of etiquette rather than on the question. Give it another try. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of jaemtp Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt No patience? Please know your facts before you criticize someone. I have been at this longer than 48 hours. Try August! Several hours a day for about three or four days per week. I upgraded to Deluxe less than four weeks ago and been spending more time on it. I have the manual and online Help Index. But I guess they are incomplete too - Now I need training videos (at the handy low price). What are they going to tell me that I cannot find in the Help Index or the Manual? So far, I've been reading both of them - including trying to learn how to use features that are not even in the software. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: RE: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
jaemtp: Nope, it's still coming through as HTML. The trouble is that some of our list members are on dial-up with no high speed connection option. Worse still, some have traffic limitations and they get understandably aggravated when an HTML message eats up an inordinate chunk of their monthly allotment. So it's actually a case of justified complaining rather than arbitrary etiquette rules or sniping. It's a shame that HTML can't be automatically stripped as it is with RootsWeb lists, but it's something we have to live with. Personally I'd rather walk over hot coals than go back to data entry via FTM although I do occasionally gedcom my data from Legacy to an old FTM version to use a particular feature. This is an option you might keep in mind. Hopefully Elizabeth's message resolved the trouble you're having. Like her, I have no problems with half-sibling relationships and adoptions. I also have no problem with the missing ibid feature. I most often use the Descendant Book Report for one or two generations with sources as endnotes at the end of the book, so each citation prints only once but is often keyed to many different family members. In this format there's no call for ibid. There are so many different report formats available that it's usually helpful if when you're having a problem you state exactly which report you're selecting and give a brief rundown of the options checked. And in spite of the rough start I'll say, Welcome to Legacy; welcome to the list. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of jae...@verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 5:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt Thanks Kirsten I used vers 10 of FTM from 2003 until this summer. I was going to go with their current version but read too many bad things about it. I experimented with this and roots magic 3, and decided to go with Legacy. It was a close toss up! I had my mail client set for plain text, I hope everything is coming through Ok on that end. Yeah, I picked up on a few who want to fall back on the abuse of Etiqutte thing usually the same ones who snipe at each other like I read earlier... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Someone
Brian: Seems like a bug to me. If only one member of a couple is entered along with marriage information, then the inclusion of someone in the report wording would be appropriate. When the second person's name is added later, it seems that name should then simply override or cancel out the someone instead of having it become someone John Jones and/or instead of having to go through the extra steps that you listed. I'm thinking that if a blank name field would trigger addition of the word someone in a report, then adding a name to the field should likewise toggle the someone off. Am I misinterpreting the way the program works? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian/Support Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Someone Kirsten, I was able to duplicate this but only when I did the following: 1. I created an ancestor X 2. I added a marriage date and place but no spouse. 3. The Marriage wording tab of the marriage screen then used the default setting X married someone for an unknown spouse. 4. I ran an ancestor report and the X married someone wording was used with no name. 5. I closed the report 6. I added the missing spouse Y 7. When the marriage screen appeared I clicked the cancel button instead of save since the date and place were OK. I did not examine the Wording Tab. If I had looked at the wording tab I would have seen that the wording was now married. 8. Because I cancelled the change to the marriage information the married someone wording was kept on the wording tab. 9. When I ran the ancestor report the wording was X married someone Y. 10. After I edited the marriage and saved it without making any changes to the date/place the marriage wording tab was changed to married and the ancestor report wording became X married Y. Now for the 64$ question. Is that a BUG or user error? Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Kirsten Bowman wrote: Keith: As Ron responded, this was discussed on the list but not really resolved. In my case, I had entered a woman's name and marriage date but no husband's name. When I later found and entered his name it appeared in Descendant Book Reports just like your Julia married someone Nelson Taylor. It appears that once the someone is triggered, entering a name later just added it to the field but didn't override the someone. I don't know whether you've perhaps done the same thing, but I had to delete the marriage date, location, and the husband's name and then add the husband again *before* re-entering the marriage information. That cleared the someone. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of GeoSci Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] Someone Ancestor Book Report - Why is the word someone being inserted into ever marriage - it makes no sense!?! Julia married someone Nelson Taylor. Looked for wording option but could not find anything there. Any ideas? (Using latest update) Thanks, Keith -- Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: geosc...@gmail.com McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Someone
Ron: True, it isn't straightforward. I think you're saying something very similar to Dennis, so I'll combine a response to both of you there. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:03 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Someone Kirsten, Just a thought, but why should the computer/program assume that when a partner is entered it is the same person as the someone who is already there. I prefer to have to tell it the exact relationship. This is not to say that there isn't a bug, rather that it is not a straightforward issue. Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Someone
Dennis and Ron: You both brought up excellent points and, not knowing how the program operates, I'm unable to answer except to say that if the word someone is coded into the program to be automatically added to reports when a name field is left blank, then it should be fairly simple to eliminate that code when a name is added. With software as smart as Legacy, I think it could distinguish between a code that generates the word someone in a report and the actual name Someone typed by the user in the name field. As I've said before, it's a small problem and I don't want to make a fuss about it, but I hate it when software automatically creates something silly and unexpected; I make enough silly errors on my own without help from Legacy G. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Someone On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:39:22 -0800, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Seems like a bug to me. If only one member of a couple is entered along with marriage information, then the inclusion of someone in the report wording would be appropriate. When the second person's name is added later, it seems that name should then simply override or cancel out the someone instead of having it become someone John Jones and/or instead of having to go through the extra steps that you listed. I'm thinking that if a blank name field would trigger addition of the word someone in a report, then adding a name to the field should likewise toggle the someone off. Am I misinterpreting the way the program works? But does the program know how the word someone got placed there in the first place? Does it know that it is there because it (the program) put it there? Or is the word someone there because a user put it there? If the latter, should the program automatically correct it? I don't have a horse in this race because I use V6. I just wanted to point out something to consider. -- Dennis Kowallek http://ltools.kowallekfamily.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Someone
Elizabeth: It's actually not a problem of entering parents and children in a particular sequence. It comes from adding a person and a marriage date without knowing the spouse's name--which can happen occasionally whether you're working backward or forward. Once the person and marriage date are entered, the unknown spouse (for reporting purposes) becomes someone although that doesn't show on the individual's information screen, of course. Then if you add the spouse's name later, the someone doesn't go away; the word is just added to the name you entered so you get Jane married someone John Doe in reports. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Elizabeth Richardson Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:25 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Someone I believe you are more likely to encounter this bug working backwards. One can more easily learn the name of one parent without learning the names of both parents, especially when getting back several generations, which is when I suspect this problem crops up. When you come forward in time, you are more likely to have the marriage information before learning the names of the children. And, many people never come forward in time unless the information is simply handed to them, and many don't record it even then. I can't even count the number of times I've inquired of someone's research only to be told I don't know about her sister, I'm only researching my own direct line. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Someone
Keith: As Ron responded, this was discussed on the list but not really resolved. In my case, I had entered a woman's name and marriage date but no husband's name. When I later found and entered his name it appeared in Descendant Book Reports just like your Julia married someone Nelson Taylor. It appears that once the someone is triggered, entering a name later just added it to the field but didn't override the someone. I don't know whether you've perhaps done the same thing, but I had to delete the marriage date, location, and the husband's name and then add the husband again *before* re-entering the marriage information. That cleared the someone. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of GeoSci Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] Someone Ancestor Book Report - Why is the word someone being inserted into ever marriage - it makes no sense!?! Julia married someone Nelson Taylor. Looked for wording option but could not find anything there. Any ideas? (Using latest update) Thanks, Keith -- Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: geosc...@gmail.com McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Someone
Rich: This wasn't the case in my situation (an unknown husband). There was only one marriage--to someone John Jones or whoever he was. And Keith is right; it's definitely a bug but it's been a while and I don't remember whether I reported it or not. It's a fairly unusual data entry sequence for me, so it's not a big deal. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Someone How many husbands does the program say Julia has? I suspect at least 2, the newly added person and the 'unknown' person who needs to be unlinked. Rich in LA CA --- On Fri, 1/2/09, GeoSci geosc...@gmail.com wrote: From: GeoSci geosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Someone To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:00 PM Kirsten, Will give that a try - had the female name (Julia) and Children- then was told the father's name - so I added it. When I did the report - there was the someone. - BUT THIS IS A BUG! SHOULD NOT HAPPEN! Thanks Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter
Lew: The only thing you can be sure of is that the answer *won't* be, Soon. ;-) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter Maybe so, but it would be nice if Legacy would at least acknowledge why the merge feature has been removed and tell us the pitfalls of having done it that way. Legacy has been extremely silent on this question and has not answered a message I sent directly to support. If, as you say, the sourcewriter tool will be available in the next build, I would like to ask, WHEN? Lew Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter
Lew: That line must have been added automatically and, as Elizabeth said, probably has something to do with those can't post messages we were getting from the list. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:52 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter Hi Kristen, Thank you for your comment, but I am confused. I noticed at the bottom of your message that an **Original Message from k...@legacyfamilytree.com on behalf of Chick Lewis ** was referenced. I did not receive a message from Ken. Do you know something I don't? Lew On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Lew: The only thing you can be sure of is that the answer *won't* be, Soon. ;-) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter Maybe so, but it would be nice if Legacy would at least acknowledge why the merge feature has been removed and tell us the pitfalls of having done it that way. Legacy has been extremely silent on this question and has not answered a message I sent directly to support. If, as you say, the sourcewriter tool will be available in the next build, I would like to ask, WHEN? Lew Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Source Formatting
I have Legacy Deluxe with many citations created using SourceWriter. If I send a file (either a GEDCOM or a Legacy file) to another user who has the Standard version, what happens to citations created with SourceWriter? Do they revert somehow to Basic Style, or do they just get lost in translation? Does anyone know? Kirsten *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] one file or many?
Howard: I have a similar situation: A main tree, with one branch that has grown into something of a one-name study. I keep them all in one file which consists of just over 7,000 individuals, with most of those belonging to the surname study. Records and notes about unconnected single individuals, couples, and even small family groups go into a Stray file in MyDocuments until they can be connected to the main tree or until the family grows into a substantial cluster (usually two dozen or more people). Within my database, there is the main tree of 6900 people plus six smaller unconnected trees of 20 - 150 individuals each. I've been working with it this way for about 10 years and it's very satisfactory. The Legacy Tree Finder feature is a great help when switching from one unlinked family cluster to another. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Howard Mathieson Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] one file or many? I recently decided to use Legacy as my genealogy program of choice. The decision was made after examining a number of reviews which spoke highly of the program. My decision was solidified when I learned that Map My Ancestors would utilize the gedcom tags for lat and lon values generated in Legacy. I certainly dont regret the decision. A major bonus has been an active and informative and helpful users group. Much of the work I have done over the last number of years has been working on a one name study. Here is an issue I am facing. I have many family groups in my study, seperated by geography and brick walls ;-) If you were in my position would you build one data base with many disconnected family units or would it more logical to have seperate files for each group? Howard *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting
Chick: Oh, how I miss that FTM feature and wish that Legacy would do it. My workaround is to GEDCOM my database from Legacy to an old version of FTM to do that sort and check for duplicates. Other than that, the only thing that would take me back to FTM would be if they included a seance feature or a digital crystal ball. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:28 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting Because of various spellings of a surname or variations of a given name there may be two individuals in the index that are actually the same person. These may be difficult to find, but sorting the index by date of birth rather than alphabetically will allow easier comparison of names in the same time frame which will sometimes reveal this duplication. This was a feature of FTM that I used quite often, but appears to be missing in Legacy. Is there any way to sort and/or search the index by date of birth? If not, what are chances for a future enhancement? *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting
Elizabeth: I'll give you an example from my own experience. In tracking an Acadian line back to the 1600s I have many individuals who were married 2-3 times and the spelling variations and 2nd cousin marriages are mind-boggling. Fortunately the basic records are pretty good, and there's usually at least an approximate date of birth associated with the individuals. It's very easy to enter a marriage for Andre Therrien to Marguerite Rousseau and not realize that this is a second marriage for the Andre Therrien that I had already entered as marrying Jeanne Calle 10 years earlier. Eplaining how it comes to that while even using good research practices would take a long time and go far OT, but suffice it to say that being able to sort by dob is a very handy tool under certain circumstances. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elizabeth Richardson Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting Chick, you're right. I completely fail to understand why a date search (as you describe) would be useful. I happen to be currently working a Ferguson line in Richland County, Wisconsin. I suspect that most of the gazillion or so there are mine, though I believe there was one small family who isn't related. However, there is no way I'd just enter them all and sort them out later, especially not by birth date. I spent quite a bit of time last week trying to sort out two Ray Fergusons who were born on the same date a year apart. But I didn't need a date search to see the problem, and knowing the dates didn't solve my problem (they were my problem!). So, maybe you can go into a little detail. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Chick Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue
Elizabeth: I believe that discussion was based on a misinterpretation. I do have _EE_ and it's pretty clear on citation of published books. In fact, I believe I responded to that thread, but the discussion (and misinterpretation) continued. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elizabeth Richardson Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:34 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue Kirsten, I used that example because of a discussion in this group within the last 2 weeks. The discussion centered on whether you would use the book from a certain publisher that you (the poster, I don't recall who that was) found in a library or whether you would use a different citation because you found a copy of that same book on Google. There was an assertion that ESM showed differences in the citation. I must admit that I don't have Evidence Explained so I can't look it up. I did purchase Evidence! when it was released many years ago. I don't know just now where that copy might be. I find the basic source system in Legacy to be just exactly what I need. Wynther, you seem to think that serious genealogists who go to great lengths to pigeon-hole the formatting of sources are somehow superior to just family historians who are just as interested in well-founded research and good communication of that information. I beg to differ, but I doubt anything I might have to say on the subject would dissuade you from your nose-bleed perch. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue Elizabeth (Richardson): I don't think there *is* a different standard for citing a published book in a brick and mortar library and the same book that's digitized online. For my own convenience I do note the website or library where I found it, but I don't believe that that information is part of a standard citation. There *would* be a difference, however, if the online version happened to be a transcription rather than digitized images--then it's a whole different ballgame. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elizabeth Richardson Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue Perhaps the standards should be changed. They are convoluted and are difficult to understand and follow. For example, a different standard entries for a book that is in a brick and mortar library from the standard for the same book in an online library has no basis in logic and is therefore ridiculous on its face. Keep in mind, too, that few genealogists are professionals and will not be publishing. For those who do publish, the publishers' audience is not the same as those for publications of others types of research. The standard should always be to make certain citations are easily understood by the audience, as that is the essence of communication. Elizabeth Richardson researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue
Elizabeth: Agreed on both counts. The first pass through _EE_ can leave you dizzy just from the sheer number of variables, and Legacy's source templates are designed to try and accommodate all of those. I think where we sometimes go wrong is in trying to fill in *all* the template fields and forgetting that not every field is applicable to every situation. As you've said several times before, it finally boils down to a matter of common sense. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elizabeth Richardson Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue Thanks, Kirsten. Subsequent posts from ESM herself have been very enlightening! It would seem that misinterpretation and confusion abound. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue Elizabeth: I believe that discussion was based on a misinterpretation. I do have _EE_ and it's pretty clear on citation of published books. In fact, I believe I responded to that thread, but the discussion (and misinterpretation) continued. Kirsten *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Hint For Using Templates
Some on the list have mentioned entering x's into source template fields in order to see the options on the follow-on screens. For the templates I use most often I do something similar but with a twist: I enter all of the actual field names in the blanks on the template, then save the result in a Word.doc for reference. That way, I can see what sequence, punctuation, italicizing, etc., Legacy applies automatically. Once that's determined, I can enter data in various fields regardless of their designated field name in order to get the final results I'm looking for. Kirsten *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Hint For Using Templates
Hugh: I had an easier time of it because for reports I use the Descendant Book Report almost exclusively and don't use Events at all. Since source citations behave differently on different reports, everyone's results will vary considerably. So you're exactly right: We all use the program differently and one solution probably won't work for everyone. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hugh Busey Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hint For Using Templates Kirsten, Yes, I did exactly the same thing to figure it out but there were some templates that would not print out exactly as I wanted in the Event field, Chronology display and Ancestor Books. Did you have this problem? I ended up giving up my Event preferences for Census records and City Directories and converted them to Residence events and even then they weren't perfect. I can envision a way of providing that degree of flexibility but I wouldn't want to try to code it, at least with the different ways we all use the Source and Detail splits. Hugh On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some on the list have mentioned entering x's into source template fields in order to see the options on the follow-on screens. For the templates I use most often I do something similar but with a twist: I enter all of the actual field names in the blanks on the template, then save the result in a Word.doc for reference. That way, I can see what sequence, punctuation, italicizing, etc., Legacy applies automatically. Once that's determined, I can enter data in various fields regardless of their designated field name in order to get the final results I'm looking for. Kirsten *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue
Elizabeth (Richardson): I don't think there *is* a different standard for citing a published book in a brick and mortar library and the same book that's digitized online. For my own convenience I do note the website or library where I found it, but I don't believe that that information is part of a standard citation. There *would* be a difference, however, if the online version happened to be a transcription rather than digitized images--then it's a whole different ballgame. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elizabeth Richardson Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue Perhaps the standards should be changed. They are convoluted and are difficult to understand and follow. For example, a different standard entries for a book that is in a brick and mortar library from the standard for the same book in an online library has no basis in logic and is therefore ridiculous on its face. Keep in mind, too, that few genealogists are professionals and will not be publishing. For those who do publish, the publishers' audience is not the same as those for publications of others types of research. The standard should always be to make certain citations are easily understood by the audience, as that is the essence of communication. Elizabeth Richardson researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone
Ron: Aha! That's surely the someone trigger. Thanks so much for letting me know. I'd never dug deeply into wording options on the few reports that I use constantly, just used them as they are, so now I'll have a closer look at what can be customized. It still seems, though, that when a name is later added to the field it should overwrite the automatic someone, no? Thanks again for puzzling this out. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:40 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone Kirsten, I know that there is a later post from you than this one, but I'm having a few problems at present and I'm not sure I can get to it easily! However, one of the problems was that when I started Legacy up it decided to add to them by resetting everything to its defaults. During the process rectification I realised why you are getting someone and I am not. Going through the marriage, partner set-up I noticed something that I had forgotten. In the phrases to be printed in reports where a spouse/partner is unkown are the phrases married someone and had a relationship with someone. I had deleted them a long time ago and forgotten all about it - I suggest that you do the same - delete them that is, not forget :-) Ron Ferguson *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone
Ron: Try this: (1) Enter a new daughter (Jane) for a couple (just the name is enough). (2) On that daughter's Marriage Screen, enter a date and location. If you then preview a descendant report for Jane's father, it will show for his child, Jane married someone and the date (which is what I would expect). (3) Add a husband John Jones for Jane. (Yes, the husband is a new person.) Preview the descendant report for her father again and it will show Jane married someone John Jones and the date. I haven't changed any defaults, and the someone is added automatically; I didn't enter that. I can reproduce this over and over, so it's pretty clearly a glitch--although a very small one. If the software is going to add someone when the name is left blank, it should overwrite that word when a name is added. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:16 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone Kirsten, I have tied to reproduce this, albeit a day late, but cannot. I have tried various ways - including some which crashed Legacy. I leave unknowns as blank, so maybe this was why I haven't spotted it, but changing to the Unknown default made no difference. One question though - you say that the husband's name appears as Someone Joe Blogs, if it actually uses someone then how are you putting that in, when the default is unknown? The new husband is overwriting the Unknown btw. I also take it that to enter the husband's details you are using the enter new person option. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone
Sorry about the report name Randolph. And I'm afraid you'll have to dispose of those spurious people yourself; I already have more strays than I'd like ;-). Thanks for verifying. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Randolph Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone It is as you said but you gave us the wrong name of the report. It's Descendant Book report. What would you like me to do with these spurious people I just added? They're yours for the asking. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron: Try this: (1) Enter a new daughter (Jane) for a couple (just the name is enough). (2) On that daughter's Marriage Screen, enter a date and location. If you then preview a descendant report for Jane's father, it will show for his child, Jane married someone and the date (which is what I would expect). (3) Add a husband John Jones for Jane. (Yes, the husband is a new person.) Preview the descendant report for her father again and it will show Jane married someone John Jones and the date. I haven't changed any defaults, and the someone is added automatically; I didn't enter that. I can reproduce this over and over, so it's pretty clearly a glitch--although a very small one. If the software is going to add someone when the name is left blank, it should overwrite that word when a name is added. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:16 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Margaret Married Someone Kirsten, I have tied to reproduce this, albeit a day late, but cannot. I have tried various ways - including some which crashed Legacy. I leave unknowns as blank, so maybe this was why I haven't spotted it, but changing to the Unknown default made no difference. One question though - you say that the husband's name appears as Someone Joe Blogs, if it actually uses someone then how are you putting that in, when the default is unknown? The new husband is overwriting the Unknown btw. I also take it that to enter the husband's details you are using the enter new person option. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more.*** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
