Hi!
Just wanted to note that I fully agree with everything Amos Shapira said on
this message. Hear, hear!
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Saturday 14 May 2005 03:33, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
common as a server. So the crackers develop
Shlomi Fish wrote:
It's bread and circuses in English, AFAIR. Comes from Latin, if I know.
Right and Right.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/B0463950.html
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On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux
servers. If/When linux is very common on the desktop, you'll start
seeing the same there.
Same flawed FUD
On 5/14/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux
servers. If/When linux is very common on the
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 09:10:59PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/14/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
common as a server. So the crackers develop means to
On Friday May 13 2005 15:42, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Actually, a default install of Fedora took several months to break
into. As opposed to less than 20 minutes for Windows.
Could you please provide the source for that claim? I remember an
anecdotial honeypots research in recent years done
Kaspi
Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
this can be easiy changed; moreover, he claimed that since
Linux is an
open
source,
maybe it is even easier to develop viruses/spyware to it.
In this point
I did
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 10:18 +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer is
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the
On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, you wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 12:05:45PM +0300, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
1. When was the last time any of this
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, Didi wrote:
The reasons I don't prefer LISP are:
[snip]
We're here for windows vs. linux religous wars. Hackers-il is for
languages religious wars. This thread is long enough as it is.
Just to prove my
On Friday 13 May 2005 15:01, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, Didi wrote:
The reasons I don't prefer LISP are:
[snip]
We're here for windows vs. linux religous wars. Hackers-il is for
languages religious wars.
On 5/13/05, Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer is never)
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux
servers. If/When linux is very common on the desktop, you'll start
seeing the same there.
Same flawed FUD used by the MS camp. Apache is the most common
web server in the
Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote:
I'm not that deep into Windows administration, I just know that, as
far as I noticed,
I never had to bother with it.
Well recently I heard of someone who told me MS
Hi Shachar!
Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page
that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site
and its mirror, as well as forward this message to the fc-solve-discuss
mailing list. Another good thing would be to try to
Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi Shachar!
Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page
that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site
and its mirror, as well as forward this message to the fc-solve-discuss
mailing list. Another good thing
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 16:36, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi Shachar!
Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML
page that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell
Solver site and its mirror, as well as forward this
my dad is 82 and he is fine on the command line
I walked him thru some file system checking the other day on the phone
- then again he's a PhD in System Science from UCLA (not a typical
user) :-)
danny
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:57:40AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On
is needed) .
Since using application is presumably the easier part of moving to linux,
I also try to to convince him to try to install Colinux under windows, so
that he can play a bit with the command line,starting services, a little
shell,installing packages (apt-get,yum,...) etc. (I do not know
,gedit,JEdit,...
Regads,
Dan Kaspi
From: Kfir Lavi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:28:01 +0300
On Sunday 08 May 2005 15:40, you wrote:
Hello,
I tried to convince
On 5/10/05, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, because it's very simple. You have to teach her once how to get to
the shell (double click on that icon of the square in the toolbar).
She can have some extra open and it won't be a problem.
I should be able to do the same on Windows,
technical problems in linux where an
immediate solution is needed) .
Great to hear that.
Since using application is presumably the easier part of moving to linux,
I also try to to convince him to try to install Colinux under windows, so
that he can play a bit with the command line,starting
i installed linux (first redhat, then mandrake) for my mom a few years ago. the
reason: her tv card refused to work properly in windows no matter what we
tried. so she was extremely happy with linux and hardly bugged me at all. and
believe me, she's rather clueless on the computer (she does
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:03, you wrote:
Also, if he has problem, can you help him by phone? Did you try to explein
someone to vi a file and edit it? I tried it with my sister
I agree that vi is not a sympathetic editor (I don't know if the tern
editor is good for it; I would call it an
On Tue, May 10, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: Moving to Linux:
NEdit is also nice. The slides covering basic vi use have been removed from
recent Welcome to Linuxes due to the fact that it seems knowing vi has
become less and less important. Kfir, unless X-windows is not working
not think I will
recommend to him
using this X Server.
Regards,
Dan
From: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:13:53 +1000
On 5/10/05, Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 13:11, you wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: Moving to Linux:
NEdit is also nice. The slides covering basic vi use have been removed
from recent Welcome to Linuxes due to the fact that it seems knowing vi
has become less and less important. Kfir
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:06:30PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Heh. It is also important to understand that hardware played part in shaping
the evolution of editors. When UNIX started, computers wrote output to line
printers on paper, (very slowly). So people created editors like ed, where
This would cause a major outcry on Slashdot:
press_release
Microsoft (MSFT) to announce new, innovative Windows Software Repository
(tm) for bettter security and integration.
The Microsoft Co. is pleased to announce that, comming with the next
version of windows, code-named 'Longhorn', a new
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But there's always a possibility. In Windows, it's impossible to keep
several versions of the same DLL due to the lack of symbolic links. And
most packages come in installers, that install all
On Mon, May 09, 2005, Amos Shapira wrote about Re: Moving to Linux:
...
Debian (and other distro's) convenience is that it packages many utilities
and add-ons in an easy uniform interface to download/install/config.
This should be possible to do also on Windows (there is nothing special
solution of XP (the XP firewall) and
the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea of moving to open and free source).
Frankly, I prefer
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But there's always a possibility. In Windows, it's impossible to keep several
versions of the same DLL due to the lack of symbolic links. And most packages
come in installers, that install all the required DLLs along with the
programs. (there is
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:40:55PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
systems). But for example, if you browse the web with a vulnerable browser,
that allows malicious sites to execute code on your machine, then all the
firewalls in the world won't prevent your machine from getting infected by a
need to
learn
many new things; The security solution of XP (the XP firewall) and
the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
this can be easiy changed; moreover, he claimed that since Linux is an open
source,
maybe it is even easier to develop viruses/spyware to it. In this point
I did not know what to answer him. I am not a
security expert; it could be that he is right in this
.
Regards,
tzahi.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adir Abraham
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:21 PM
To: Dan Kaspi
Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
this can
Amos Shapira wrote:
Debian (and other distro's) convenience is that it packages many utilities
and add-ons in an easy uniform interface to download/install/config.
This should be possible to do also on Windows (there is nothing special
about the Linux kernel), only it haven't been done yet. People
need to learn
many new things; The security solution of XP (the XP firewall) and
the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
If your'e Micorosft, you might create a central distribution source
carrying Windows, Office, several games and tools, but what about
Photoshop? Doom3? Acrobat Reader? WinZip? You can't legally distribute
those without special contract with
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 08:16:40PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
If your'e Micorosft, you might create a central distribution source
carrying Windows, Office, several games and tools, but what about
Photoshop? Doom3? Acrobat Reader? WinZip?
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
Of course, you could add some Free Software in your distribution too -
but you can't add GPL-licensed stuff (and GPL is the most common OSS
license). If you do add GPL stuff, you'll have to make all the other
stuff open source too - so
On Monday 09 May 2005 21:34, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
Actually, MS did distribute GPLed software. NT Resource kit contained
perl. IIRC with sources. I don't know if recent RKits continue this
tradition.
1. FALSE: perl license is not GPL (it's under the Artistic License)
2. TRUE: MS does
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 11:30:06PM +0300, Oron Peled wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 21:34, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
Actually, MS did distribute GPLed software. NT Resource kit contained
perl. IIRC with sources. I don't know if recent RKits continue this
tradition.
1. FALSE: perl license
On 5/9/05, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:40:55PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
systems). But for example, if you browse the web with a vulnerable
browser,
that allows malicious sites to execute code on your machine, then all the
firewalls in the world
Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
If your'e Micorosft, you might create a central distribution source
carrying Windows, Office, several games and tools, but what about
Photoshop? Doom3? Acrobat Reader? WinZip? You can't legally distribute
those without
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote:
I'm not that deep into Windows administration, I just know that, as
far as I noticed,
I never had to bother with it.
Well recently I heard of someone who told me MS Freecell (!!) does not
On 5/9/05, Amit Aronovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Amos Shapira wrote:
This should be possible to do also on Windows (there is nothing special
about the Linux kernel), only it haven't been done yet. People
can probably come up with many reasons (one I can think of is the
proprietary and
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:57:40AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/9/05, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But my mother won't appreciate command-line at all (and so would I, if
I'll have
to explain to her what to do with it over the phone).
Slightly OT:
Actually some
for moving to Linux ?
You may want to take a different route. Encourage OSS use on any
platform. I convinced my relatives to use
Mozilla Firefox on their XP at home. There were two advantages to this.
1. They stopped called me over to clean up the spyware from their
machine
2. I tweaked the firefox
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 04:20:22PM +0300, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
When listing the main advantages of Linux , the most important one
I had thought of was security ; when you access the internet from a Linux
machine, chances that you get a virus or
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 04:20:22PM +0300, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
When listing the main advantages of Linux , the most important one
I had thought of was security ; when you access the internet from a Linux
which have this feature - I
don't know of such).
Regards,
Dan Kaspi
From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:42:30 +0300
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 04:20:22PM +0300, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 05:28:38PM +0300, Dan Kaspi wrote:
Hi,
I can easily update all of my software with the latest security updates.
Well , if I am not wrong this is only specific to Debian. (BTW : I don't
know Debian :
I want to take advantage of this opportunity and ask : does
only
(the XP firewall) and
the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
I wouldn't trust these things if I were him.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea of moving to open
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On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 15:40 +0300, Dan Kaspi wrote:
Hello,
I tried to convince somebody I know to move to Linux at home and
at work. I am myself an advocate user of Linux at work and at home.
As an example to why linux is more sucure, see the latest flaw in
Firefox: it allows an attacker to create a file on your machine. This
could be used to create a batch file on windows, or a shell script in
Linux; however, on Linux shell scripts (or any other file) are not
executable by default,
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 06:16:54PM +0300, Yosef Meller wrote:
As an example to why linux is more sucure, see the latest flaw in
Firefox: it allows an attacker to create a file on your machine. This
could be used to create a batch file on windows, or a shell script in
Linux; however, on Linux
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 06:16:54PM +0300, Yosef Meller wrote:
As an example to why linux is more sucure, see the latest flaw in
Firefox: it allows an attacker to create a file on your machine. This
could be used to create a batch file on windows, or a shell script in
Linux;
how about not having to reboot every few days. for me, uptime is one of the
biggest advantages of linux, and nowadays, i'm not the only one who leaves my
home computer on 24/7.
On Sunday 08 May 2005 15:40, you wrote:
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux
On 5/9/05, Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I can easily update all of my software with the latest security updates.
Well , if I am not wrong this is only specific to Debian. (BTW : I don't
know Debian :
I want to take advantage of this opportunity and ask : does
only non-stable
it. How would you continue this sentence when he asks why?
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea of moving to open and free source).
Here are some more:
1. Open Source - You can always customize an application yourself (add
feature, fix bugs
from getting infected by a
trojan.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea of moving to open and free source).
Here are some more:
1. Open Source - You can always customize an application yourself (add
feature, fix bugs, know where
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