Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-04 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:58:43 +0300 Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - 2.5 adds system calls for manipulating a task's processor affinity: sched_getaffinity() and sched_setaffinity() I haven't checked if RH 9.0 includes a backport of it to their 2.4 kernel. (It's pretty trivial to

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-04 Thread Oron Peled
On 03 Jun 2003 11:12:43 +0300 Gilboa Davara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B. Events (posix conditions). Wait it doesn't work right (PulseEvent never did... MS, like MS, just refuses to fix it), NT events are much easier to use, and have much better control. The posix conditions are a just pain in

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Diego Iastrubni
talk to me when it will have kde+hebrew+mozilla+oo. Then we will talk about h/w linux still is the best os for personal useage: more drivers+app's, greater updates. IMHO. , 2 2003, 19:03, Mix Sella : This is offtopic. I know I'm doing a bad thing. I know it's the wrong address. I

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Ely Levy
Isn't it exactly what windows people tell linux users?:) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: talk to me when it will have kde+hebrew+mozilla+oo. Then we will talk about h/w linux still is the best os for personal useage:

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Diego Iastrubni
there sure are. However, I can proove them wrong in linux. Anyway, updates in windows sux.. linux has a better update system (urpmi, atp-get, emrge). And about hebrew? Soon kde3 will have better hebrew support then windows, and when OO will be really usable, I will be even more glad. In BeOS,

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
Actually, when considering the out of box support for hardware, Linux has more drivers then Windows 2K/9x/Me. (For the sake of the people here, I'll simply ignore a certain Spyware OS). Both KDE and Mozilla are by far, more feature rich then the Microsoft (Internet) Explorer. Plus, well, Linux

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Eli Billauer
Windows is better than Linux. Windows has higher technology, it's developed by serious proffesionals, and of course you can't write quality software if you're not paid for it. Well, these are not my opinions, of course, but it seems like we all need another thread of 30 messages about who is

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
Actually you are correct (here I get myself crucified) but hear me out. I spent years of work on NT internal APIs (The the IBM OS2 APIs that share the same design) and the design itself is *very* impressive. Even with the 2.6 NPTL (The Native Posix Thread Library, already out with the RedHat 9),

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Meir Kriheli
On Monday 02 June 2003 21:37, Diego Iastrubni wrote: talk to me when it will have kde+hebrew+mozilla+oo. Then we will talk about h/w linux still is the best os for personal useage: more drivers+app's, greater updates. IMHO. You forgot the most important one: Freedom , 2 2003, 19:03,

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
GD with the RedHat 9), the Windows NT/2K/XP/2K3 has better security GD and scheduling (Though performance is impressive) Windows security is a funny thing. It is so good almost no one understands/uses it :) I mean, certainly, using it like it was intended. GD In short, the Win32API is

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
On Tue 03 Jun 03, 1:14 AM, Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: GD with the RedHat 9), the Windows NT/2K/XP/2K3 has better security GD and scheduling (Though performance is impressive) Windows security is a funny thing. It is so good almost no one understands/uses it :) I mean,

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilboa Davara wrote: Actually you are correct (here I get myself crucified) but hear me out. I spent years of work on NT internal APIs (The the IBM OS2 APIs that share the same design) and the design itself is *very* impressive. Even with the 2.6 NPTL (The Native Posix Thread Library, already out

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 07:28, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Gilboa Davara wrote: Actually you are correct (here I get myself crucified) but hear me out. I spent years of work on NT internal APIs (The the IBM OS2 APIs that share the same design) and the design itself is *very* impressive. Even with

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 11:09:59PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Actually you are correct (here I get myself crucified) but hear me out. I spent years of work on NT internal APIs (The the IBM OS2 APIs that share the same design) and the design itself is *very* impressive. Where is it

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Oron Peled
First just a short reminder to everybody: Linux is Free (and *BSD as well) -- Itches will be scratched, eventually Window, BeOS, are not -- wait for some benevolent vendor to scratch you itches And now to more interesting technical issue: On

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 08:33, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 11:09:59PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Actually you are correct (here I get myself crucified) but hear me out. I spent years of work on NT internal APIs (The the IBM OS2 APIs that share the same design) and the

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 08:46:09AM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Argh. I never said that it had anything to do with A. Scheduling or B. Security. That's what your sentence above implied, but it may or may not be my lack of reading comprehension. I did say that NT still has a lead on that

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Gilboa Davara wrote: As much as I think that Windows NT/2K/XP/2K3 original design is impressive, the implementation is sourly lacking and MS has an annoying tendency to push all of their development resources on ways to screw their clients instead of trying to get the damn thing to work right.

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 09:06, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 08:46:09AM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Argh. I never said that it had anything to do with A. Scheduling or B. Security. That's what your sentence above implied, but it may or may not be my lack of reading

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Gilboa Davara wrote: Posix thread library is problematic. Here's a couple of examples. A. Threads: Lack of true, low level, thread control. For instance, in Win32 I can save a thread's context, suspend it remotely (from another thread or even a controlling process) implant the saved context into

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilboa Davara wrote: Posix thread library is problematic. Here's a couple of examples. A. Threads: Lack of true, low level, thread control. For instance, in Win32 I can save a thread's context, suspend it remotely (from another thread or even a controlling process) implant the saved context into

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 15:06, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Gilboa Davara wrote: Posix thread library is problematic. Here's a couple of examples. A. Threads: Lack of true, low level, thread control. For instance, in Win32 I can save a thread's context, suspend it remotely (from

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMHO this is the real problem with ACLs - they give you the ability to define a security policy with very fine resolution. But guess - what? it doesn't help you one bit understand what that security policy should be. In a sense, having more options

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 13:58, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 01:01:33PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: CPU affinity is available under Linux, at least. If you can find me the command, I'll be forever in your debt. I googled myself to death over this one. Quoting Dave

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 01:01:33PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: CPU affinity is available under Linux, at least. If you can find me the command, I'll be forever in your debt. I googled myself to death over this one. Quoting Dave Jone's What to Expect Document: - 2.5 adds system calls for

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 02:01:32PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I would have married Linus if I could get a production 2.6 kernel today... My efforts to move our clients (a couple of people I'm working for) to Linux would have been much easier... Getting a 2.6 kernel today is easy, a one line

Re: [OT] BEOS IS ALIVE!!!!1!

2003-06-03 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote on 2003-06-03: hmm... beyond the questionable ethics of M$, I beleive that the impressive design has a lot to do with the crappiness of the implmentation. Unix and Unix like systems such as Linux that share the same design philosophy are 'worse is better' systems. I