One Large md or Many Smaller md for Better Peformance?

2008-01-20 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
-intuitive. I've even considered the possibility of giving /var and /usr separate RAID arrays (data vs. executables). If an expert could chime in, I'd appreciate it a great deal. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe There are more ways to skin a cat than nuking it from

Performance of RAID 10 vs. using LVM?

2008-01-20 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
an individual user can answer... perhaps.) Comments extremely welcome. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe The sharpest knives are also the quietest. -- John M. Ford, _The Final Reflection_ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux

Re: One Large md or Many Smaller md for Better Performance?

2008-01-20 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
looking in the wrong places? (The Wiki didn't help either.) -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Rumor is information distilled so finely that it can filter through anything. -- Terry Pratchet, _Feet of Clay_ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: One Large md or Many Smaller md for Better Peformance?

2008-01-20 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
a very interesting idea; it also gives me an opportunity to experiment with XFS. I had been avoiding it because of possible power-failure issues on writes. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe She will have fun who knows when to work and when not to work

Re: One Large md or Many Smaller md for Better Peformance?

2008-01-22 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
failure. I wonder if I'm being too cautious? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Keep some secrets/Never tell, And they will keep you very well. -- Michelle Shocked - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux

Unable to eradicate previous version of device information, even with zero-superblock and dd

2008-01-28 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
work, given that zero-superblock and dd on the drives that make up the array doesn't seem to erase previous information? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe If you're going to shoot, shoot! Don't talk! -- Eli Wallach,The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Re: Unable to eradicate previous version of device information, even with zero-superblock and dd

2008-01-28 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
... -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe The odds are good, but the goods are odd. -- Alaskan women, on the high ratio of men to women in Alaska - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED

In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-28 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
impossible? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
comments on the performance hit -- is raid1L a really bad idea for some reason? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe It's a sobering thought, for example, to realize that by the time he was my age, Mozart had been dead for two years

Yes, but please provide the clue (was Re: [PATCH] Use new sb type)

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
excuse me while I RTFM to find out if I change the superblocks to 1.0 from 1.2 on a running array... -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the process. -- Mark A. Johnson - To unsubscribe from

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
pages that'd be very useful indeed. Thanks for your attention to this! -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe no user serviceable parts below this line -- From a Perl program by [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
in my mind now is why grub can't find the info, and either it's because of 1.2 superblocks or because of sub-partitioning of components. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
say that the md(4) man page was finally penetrating my brain, but the Wikipedia article helped a great deal. I had thought md's RAID10 was more standard. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Rumor is information distilled so finely that it can filter through anything

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
with 1+0. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
interesting idea. I'm not familiar with using tmpfs (no need, until now); but I wonder how you create the devices you need when you're doing a rescue. Again, my thanks to everyone who responded and clarified. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Practically perfect people never

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
once it's installed. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
on RAID in order to prevent server downtime if a disk fails -- a suddenly bad swap can easily (will absolutely?) cause the server to crash (even though you can boot the server up again afterwards on the surviving swap partitions). -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-29 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:32:54PM -0600, Moshe Yudkowsky wrote: Hmm, why would you put swap on a raid10? I would in a production environment always put it on separate swap partitions, possibly a number, given that a number of drives are available. In a production

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-30 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
David Greaves wrote: Moshe Yudkowsky wrote: I expect it's because I used 1.2 superblocks (why not use the latest, I said, foolishly...) and therefore the RAID10 -- Aha - an 'in the wild' example of why we should deprecate '0.9 1.0 1.1, 1.2' and rename the superblocks to data-version

Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?

2008-01-30 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
doing a rescue. When you start udev, your /dev will be on tmpfs. Sure, that's what mount shows me right now -- using a standard Debian install. What did you suggest I change? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Many that live deserve death. And some that die

Loop devices to RAID? (was Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?)

2008-01-30 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
the file system, but if you'd be so kind, can you give a super-brief description on how to get a loop device to look like an actual partition that can be made into a RAID array? I can see this software-only solution as being quite interesting for testing in general. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL

Documentation? failure to update-initramfs causes Infinite md loop on boot

2008-01-30 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
to be documentation on the interaction between mdadm and update-initramfs. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Becoming the biggest banana republic in the world -- and without the bananas, at that -- is an unenviable prospect. -- Sergei Stepashin, Prime

Re: Documentation? failure to update-initramfs causes Infinite md loop on boot

2008-01-30 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
of hidden knowledge if true. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe All friends have real and imaginary components. -- Moshe Yudkowsky - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-03 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
, and let me reboot without problems. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe A gun is, in many people's minds, like a magic wand. If you point it at people, they are supposed to do your bidding. -- Edwin E. Moise, _Tonkin Gulf_

Re: RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-03 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
options to read root (hd2,1) and proceed to boot. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe I love deadlines... especially the whooshing sound they make as they fly past. -- Dermot Dobson - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-03 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
of this theory that /etc and others can be on the same partition as /boot in a non-ext3 file system. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Thanks to radio, TV, and the press we can now develop absurd misconceptions about peoples and governments we once hardly knew existed

Re: RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
Michael Tokarev wrote: Moshe Yudkowsky wrote: [] But that's *exactly* what I have -- well, 5GB -- and which failed. I've modified /etc/fstab system to use data=journal (even on root, which I thought wasn't supposed to work without a grub option!) and I can power-cycle the system and bring it up

Re: RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
it would be a command for the MBR on hd2 (sdc) to look at hd2,1 (sdc1) to find its data, regardless of the boot order that caused sdc to be the boot disk. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Bring me the head of Prince Charming. -- Robert

Re: RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
, you're stating that current the most reliable fs in its default configuration, in terms of protection against power-loss scenarios, is XFS? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe There is something fundamentally wrong with a country [USSR] where the citizens want to buy

Re: using update-initramfs: how to get new mdadm.conf into the /boot? Or is it XFS?

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
? -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be mowed down in the crossfire. -- Michael Flynn - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL

Re: using update-initramfs: how to get new mdadm.conf into the /boot? Or is it XFS?

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
to read, e.g., root=/dev/sda2 or root=/dev/sdb2, I get the same Error 15 error message. It may be that grub is complaining about grub and resiserfs, but I suspect that it has a true complain about the file system and what's on the partitions. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com

using update-initramfs: how to get new mdadm.conf into the /boot? Or is it XFS?

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
that I can't boot md from a boot partition with the XFS file system, then I don't understand what the problem is. Comments welcome -- I'm wedged! -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them

Re: using update-initramfs: how to get new mdadm.conf into the /boot? Or is it XFS?

2008-02-04 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
to /dev/md/boot -- but I really need to include the *root* location, which does not change, vs. the boot location, which is not relevant. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe The central tenet of Buddhism is not 'Every man for himself

Re: Deleting mdadm RAID arrays

2008-02-05 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-raid in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

Re: Deleting mdadm RAID arrays

2008-02-05 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
according to the instructions in mdadm.conf? I expect that it might depend on whether the instructions are given in terms of UUID or in terms of devices. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe I think it a greater honour to have my head standing on the ports

Purpose of Document? (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)

2008-02-06 Thread Moshe Yudkowsky
is the purpose of this page? I think the purpose is a complete description of how to use RAID to build a system that not only boots from RAID but is robust against other hazards such as file system corruption. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe If you pay peanuts, you get