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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
However I can't see how to get the website to display it's
unstable packages :)
It's not clear whether you were talking about Gentoo unstable
or Debian unstable
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:04:31PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:39:20PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Well, you have to update for security issues. And often there are
dependicies that decide they want to be updated too. I much prefer
just having upgrades every
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:07:56PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Yeah, but won't security updates also need core system components to
be updated? That's what I seem to remember.
Generally, no.
I used to use Debian unstable once a time. But that's back when I had
too much spare time. I
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:02:07PM +1200, Dale Anderson wrote:
I still havent seen fun stuff like E17 in debians list either as yet
...maybe im not looking hard enough ...
E17 is still under heavy development and considered fairly unstable. If
you're willing to risk it, or planning to work
:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I suggest going to
http://gazza.citylink.co.nz/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/
and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso
And there is another great thing about Gentoo
This reminds me, Gentoo ebuilds are flexible enough to build directly from CVS without
changing the user commands (I expect this is how E17 is packaged).
In my one brief look at Debian I got the impression that .deb files are scattered to
the four corners of the net, and just finding where they
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This reminds me, Gentoo ebuilds are flexible enough to build directly from
CVS without changing the user commands (I expect this is how E17 is packaged).
In my one brief look at Debian I got the impression that .deb files are
scattered to the
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From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 4:39 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
However I can't see how to get the website to display it's
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you
download a new package?? I install the latest version of cooker each
day. With Gentoo, doesn't that mean I'd have to comipile a lot of
packages each day?? Mandrake does the compiling for me with Cooker yes??
Cheers
Jason
I do this every couple of days with Gentoo and I just leave the compilation
going in a konsole in the backgroundit's not a big deal really. For big
compiles like a new KDE, I just leave my pc on overnight, again it doesn't
inconvience at all.
anyway, each to their own,
Simon
On Tue, 10
Yeah but I'd actually like to USE my machine while it was compiling. =) LOL
Simon Hansman wrote:
I do this every couple of days with Gentoo and I just leave the compilation
going in a konsole in the backgroundit's not a big deal really. For big
compiles like a new KDE, I just leave my pc
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 10:33 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you
download a new package?? I install the latest version of cooker each
day. With Gentoo, doesn't
nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem
to affect other work too much.
nice is ..errr. a nice feature
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:33 +1200
Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah but I'd actually like to USE my machine while it was compiling. =) LOL
Simon
will complete
everything within half an hour.
Regards, Robert
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 10:33 a.m.
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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you
download
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running out of
excuses not to at least try it. =)
Nick Rout wrote:
nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem
to affect other work too much.
nice is ..errr. a nice feature
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:33
doing an upgrade (I am sure
there are many Gentoo users happy to show off).
I think then you may be convinced.
Regards, Robert
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:23 a.m.
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think then you may be convinced.
Regards, Robert
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:23 a.m.
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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running
there are many Gentoo users happy to show off).
I think then you may be convinced.
Regards, Robert
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:23 a.m.
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Gentoo is looking more feasible
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
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Ok, which one do I start with??
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45
I have a pentiumII 300 so I'd assume the full
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Ok, which one do I start with??
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45
I have a pentiumII 300 so I'd assume the full 135MB Image??
Cheers
Jason
PS
- there is a New Zealand
mirror.
PS - I will stand corrected if others have better suggestions.
Regards, Robert
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
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Ok, which one do I start
/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml
Regards, Robert
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From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Ok, which one do I start with??
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45
I have
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso
Is this why you claim the packages are so up-to-date--because you're
running a release candidate, i.e. not a stable release?
If this is the case, it's not a lot different to running
In its defense, I'd wager (and I don't use the thing) that Gentoos RC's
are more stable than a Mandrake Release!! Not that I have many problems
but the Mandrake releases need about 3 weeks more polish before release
almost EVERY time, and they never seem to get it. A pity really. If
they did
Gentoo RC's are tied more to the installer (and possibly gcc) than a actual
list of packages, so once you've got it installed all you are running is
Gentoo. You can choose which versions of programs to use, or just use the
current stable ones. So only real difference you'll notice in the RCs is
are more up to date than those of other distros
IMNSH.
Regards, Robert
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From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:19 p.m.
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Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read my lips. Take up the challenge.
Firstly, I never said you were wrong, I said your comparison is not
apples-to-apples.
Check package versions which you currently use against those available from
media-gfx/gimp-1.3.13
Regards, Robert
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From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:10 p.m.
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Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200
no they are the stable packages, and you can also run unstable.
rc is a release candidate for the distro version 1.4 as a whole, but the
packages in portage are stable.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:19:10 +1200
Matthew Gregan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, [EMAIL
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read my lips. Take up the challenge.
Right. I've taken a list of packages from [1], and compared that to the
list of packages in Debian testing[2]. Note that there is a good chance
that the Debian testing list is a little out
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From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:41 p.m.
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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read my lips. Take up the challenge.
Right. I've
Try http://gentoo-stable.iq-computing.de/
For all available Gentoo versions of packages
Regards, Robert
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From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:55 p.m.
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Subject:RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD
, 0.9.0_rc5, NA
Kmplayer, 0.7.4a, NA
Perhaps not very scientific but it has me satisfied.
Regards, Robert
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From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:41 p.m.
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Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I suggest going to
http://gazza.citylink.co.nz/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/
and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso
And there is another great thing about Gentoo - there is a New Zealand
mirror.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
Sorry - that's not apples and apples. You're comparing Gentoo stable
vs Debian testing. However I can't see how to get the website to
Yes, I repeatedly mentioned it was Debian testing. I chose Debian
testing because most Debian
Who really wants to deal with a constantly changing system though?
Only a geek with too much time, and too few projects?
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:36:32PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
Sorry - that's not apples and apples.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
However I can't see how to get the website to display it's unstable
packages :)
It's not clear whether you were talking about Gentoo unstable or Debian
unstable. The Debian unstable package list is easy to find. See [1].
[1]
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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
Sorry - that's not apples and apples. You're comparing
Gentoo stable
vs Debian testing. However I can't see how
I was meaning Gentoo unstable.
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From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 4:39 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
However I can't
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:40:31PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My comparison is done with the programmes I use most often
Showing package name, Gentoo version, Debian version.
Kopete, 6.2, NA
K3b, 0.8.1-r1, 0.8
Ksambaplugin, 0.4b, NA
Granted. KDE support can tend to lag a
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:37:49PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Who really wants to deal with a constantly changing system though?
How is it constantly changing? It only changes when you perform an
upgrade. Much the same as an up-to-date Gentoo system would.
Cheers,
-mjg
--
Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:33:28PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:37:49PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Who really wants to deal with a constantly changing system though?
How is it constantly changing? It only changes when you perform an
upgrade. Much the same as an
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