On Thu 03 Jun 2010 16:03:38 NZST +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
physical access means root access!
Only if you can boot from CD/USB stick (which any lab admin has
disabled), or if you manage to disassemble the computer while the lab
admin looks at you holding his baseball bat. Good luck.
On the list
On Thu 03 Jun 2010 10:04:25 NZST +1200, aidal...@no8wireless.co.nz wrote:
By the way, it's only five extra keystrokes to prefix a command with
sudo .
And exactly why do you think commands are called mv, rm, and ls? ;-)
Volker
--
Volker Kuhlmann
http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Solor Vox solor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 June 2010 10:31, Jim Cheetham j...@gonzul.net wrote:
If you are the owner of the computer in question and you are
competant, there is no reason at all not to use root all the time.
Just set your uid to 0 and be done with
Peter Glassenbury (CSSE) wrote:
Sorry not even at a university lab... If someone wants to brute force
our root account, they obviously have not enough work to do.
Our logging should find the attempts...
Like Volker, I have yet to be convinced of the point of typing
sudo in front of all the
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM, aidal...@no8wireless.co.nz wrote:
Peter Glassenbury (CSSE) wrote:
Sorry not even at a university lab... If someone wants to brute force
our root account, they obviously have not enough work to do.
Our logging should find the attempts...
Like Volker, I have
On Tue 01 Jun 2010 12:39:09 NZST +1200, Hadley Rich wrote:
Even more useful is
sudo sux
sux
sux: Command not found.
sux was deprecated some while ago. It's now integrated in su, and runs
xauth somehow via pam. A ~/.xauth... is created.
It Just Works(TM).
which gives root the ability to
On Mon, 31 May 2010 12:27:38 you wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Ryan McCoskrie
ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote:
Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my
original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can
clarify myself properly
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote:
You do if you have a neurotic need to configure every detail but lack the time
and bandwidth for Gentoo/Slackware/LFS.
well give it a root password then. What the hell has bandwidth to do
with configuration?
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:27:07 you wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com
wrote:
You do if you have a neurotic need to configure every detail but lack the
time and bandwidth for Gentoo/Slackware/LFS.
well give it a root password then. What the hell
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:27:07 you wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com
wrote:
You do if you have a neurotic need to configure every detail but lack the
time and bandwidth
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
Ok so can you make do without a root password, but I still don't see why
I have to and remain not to be interested. Each to their own.
I think you really want to disable root login (entirely) for, say, a
university computer-lab. Anyone could switch to a virtual console
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 20:47 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
[snip]
You know Ryan, I still haven't got a clue what you're actually wanting!
TBH, any linux, freebsd, Solaris, HP-UX, etc, etc, etc - they all
provide a platform for you to run your applications upon. They all talk
to each other in the
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 21:20 +1200, Aidan Gauland wrote:
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
Ok so can you make do without a root password, but I still don't see why
I have to and remain not to be interested. Each to their own.
I think you really want to disable root login (entirely) for, say, a
On 01/06/10 21:20, Aidan Gauland wrote:
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
Ok so can you make do without a root password, but I still don't see why
I have to and remain not to be interested. Each to their own.
I think you really want to disable root login (entirely) for, say, a
university computer-lab.
Like Volker, I have yet to be convinced of the point of typing
sudo in front of all the commands I want to run as root.
When it becomes reflex, you are going to make the same mistakes
as if you login as root.
True true.
Still, I like not having a root password. Means I don't have to change
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Peter Glassenbury (CSSE)
peter.glassenb...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Like Volker, I have yet to be convinced of the point of typing
sudo in front of all the commands I want to run as root.
When it becomes reflex, you are going to make the same mistakes
as if you
On 2 June 2010 10:31, Jim Cheetham j...@gonzul.net wrote:
If you are the owner of the computer in question and you are
competant, there is no reason at all not to use root all the time.
Just set your uid to 0 and be done with it. I'm as serious with that
comment as I am with writing passwords
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 08:31 +1000, Jim Cheetham wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Peter Glassenbury (CSSE)
peter.glassenb...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Like Volker, I have yet to be convinced of the point of typing
sudo in front of all the commands I want to run as root.
When it becomes
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Ryan McCoskrie
ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote:
By generic I don't just mean desktop centered with no paradigm shifting
technologies. I mean a system that aims to have as few original contributions
as possible and have a complete out-of-the-box set of programs
On 31 May 2010 18:54, Jim Cheetham j...@gonzul.net wrote:
I think you're really looking for the most old-fashioned distro :-)
The other day I discovered that I still have a Yggdrasil Fall '95 CD. I was
going to chuck it out but a powerful sense of premonition and the desire to
keep a keepsake
On Mon 31 May 2010 12:27:38 NZST +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
You don't need a root password. Ubuntu proves that.
No it doesn't. It only proves that granny doesn't need to do root
operation.
And it's the very first thing I always fix on those systems, as I refuse
to be forced to prefix everything I
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:31 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
And it's the very first thing I always fix on those systems, as I
refuse to be forced to prefix everything I do with sudo.
People that don't understand sudo often say these sorts of things.
`man sudo` shows that you can use `sudo -i`
On 31 May 2010 20:31, Volker Kuhlmann list0...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
And it's the very first thing I always fix on those systems, as I refuse
to be forced to prefix everything I do with sudo.
$ sudo su -
#
=)
sV
On Mon 31 May 2010 20:56:00 NZST +1200, Hadley Rich wrote:
`man sudo` shows that you can use `sudo -i` or `sudo -s`
Yes, useful - thanks!
Volker
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http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:58 +1200, Solor Vox wrote:
On 31 May 2010 20:31, Volker Kuhlmann list0...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
And it's the very first thing I always fix on those systems, as I refuse
to be forced to prefix everything I do with sudo.
$ sudo su -
#
=)
sV
Even though you
Steve Holdoway wrote:
Even though you lose the accountability of the sudo log, it still does
add extra protection of not being to remotely log in as root, and
there's no password, no certificate to enable it if/when you get there.
Yes, I know there are other ways of doing it. All have their
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:05 +1200, Aidan Gauland wrote:
Steve Holdoway wrote:
Don't forget user toor!
OK, this is really a BSD thing. :P
Ah, the ugly viking, as an Irish cow-orker of mine used to call him (:
Steve
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On 31 May 2010 21:44, Steve Holdoway st...@greengecko.co.nz wrote:
Even though you lose the accountability of the sudo log, it still does
add extra protection of not being to remotely log in as root, and
there's no password, no certificate to enable it if/when you get there.
If all you're
Solor Vox wrote:
$ sudo su -
#
Even more useful is
sudo sux
which gives root the ability to open gui tools.
Derek
--
Derek J Smithies Ph.D.
Christchurch,
New Zealand
-- How did you make it work?? the usual, got everything right
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 12:23 +1200, Derek Smithies wrote:
Even more useful is
sudo sux
which gives root the ability to open gui tools.
Be careful with using sudo in this mannor. You run the risk of creating
problems for yourself. The same goes for running graphical programs with
sudo like
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Hadley Rich h...@nice.net.nz wrote:
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 12:23 +1200, Derek Smithies wrote:
Even more useful is
sudo sux
which gives root the ability to open gui tools.
Be careful with using sudo in this mannor. You run the risk of creating
problems for
Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my
original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can clarify
myself properly
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:30 you wrote:
Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as few
surprises as
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Ryan McCoskrie
ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote:
Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my
original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can clarify
myself properly
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:30 you wrote:
Are
Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my
original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can
clarify
myself properly
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:30 you wrote:
Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as
few
surprises
Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my
original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can
clarify
myself properly
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:30 you wrote:
Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 17:19 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 29 May 2010 16:41, Nick Rout nick.r...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Only in the context of LinHES, but I have been following the forums
and so forth and thinking
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:38 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
I just want a very generic distro.
Whay do you mean? I'd've called most of those you mentioned 'generic',
as opposed to - say -
Do you use Arch yourself?
And if so, for how long?
Long time listener, etc...
I've used it for at least a year on my eee 701. I run minimal install
with no window manager. Openbox with manual 'startx', and all programs
on keybinds, with feh to set background, conky and htop/ntop for
stats.
On 29 May 2010 13:02, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote:
Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as few
surprises as possible for people who are already accustomed to Linux?
So far all of the distros I have seen (old Knoppix, Red Hat, Linspire,
Ubuntu,
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
I just want a very generic distro.
Whay do you mean? I'd've called most of those you mentioned 'generic',
as opposed to - say - myth, voyage, etc.
Are you after minimal, like a vanilla debian net install?
Cheers,
Steve
--
Steve
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
I just want a very generic distro.
Whay do you mean? I'd've called most of those you mentioned 'generic',
as opposed to - say - myth, voyage, etc.
A distro aiming at as few surprises as
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as few
surprises as possible for people who are already accustomed to Linux?
So far all of the distros I have seen (old Knoppix, Red Hat, Linspire,
Ubuntu,
Fedora,
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:38 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
I just want a very generic distro.
Whay do you mean? I'd've called most of those you mentioned 'generic',
as opposed to - say -
On 29 May 2010 15:03 chris che...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:38 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
I just want a very generic distro.
Whay do you mean? I'd've called most of
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 May 2010 15:03 chris che...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:38 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
I
On 29 May 2010 16:41, Nick Rout nick.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 29 May 2010 15:03 chris che...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:38 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 May 2010 16:41, Nick Rout nick.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 29 May 2010 15:03 chris che...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
Many, many thanks to the generous person ( Roger? ) for the Knoppix
DVD which arrived in my letter box yesterday.
Yep - I'm fortunate at work to have a plan where if I download more
than 2GB in a day, the next day throttles back to 64kbps, so starting
something
Not that I can think of just off the top of my head, but I will most
definitely keep your generous offer in mind. There are bound to be new
releases which we should put into the archive.
Thanks again.
On 12/20/07, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
Many, many
Many, many thanks to the generous person ( Roger? ) for the Knoppix
DVD which arrived in my letter box yesterday.
Re: the USB-2 card.
I'd very much like to get this set up before the February meeting,
which is something of an 'Outreach Occasion'. I'd like us to be able
to send new members home
I have a DVD burnt - md5sum of the downloaded file checked - I'll
endeavour to deliver to St. Albans just as soon as an opportunity
presents itself. I'm uncertain if I can attend the quiz night tomorrow.
Cheers
Roger
Roger Searle wrote:
ok - perhaps i can offer to get the knoppix dvd -
It has gone through my mind to suggest that we should buy a USB-2.x one.
I bought one for myself from DSE a few seeks ago, it cost me $39.98.
$25 at tastech.co.nz, $2.50 (I think) shipping or pickup
I'll donate one if one isn't found otherwise. For any practical purpose
involving storage USB 1
$15 iirc from CDL, but I've gone a perfectly good on here.
I'll try and sort it out over the weekend :)
Cheers Don
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
It has gone through my mind to suggest that we should buy a USB-2.x one.
I bought one for myself from DSE a few seeks ago, it cost me $39.98.
$25 at
Am happy to get the CentOS ISOs over the next week or so, I should be
able to deliver them to the Centre Tuesday next week.
Is there the facility to bring down an external hard drive and hook up
to a USB port?
Cheers,
Roger
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
Today, I have added:-
49524736
I need the 32/64 bit CentOS 5.1 isos, so I'll get them downloaded over the
weekend.
Steve
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:35:33 +1300
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today, I have added:-
49524736 ipcop-1.4.18-install-cd.i386.iso
4530497536 SabayonLinux-x86-3.4f.iso
To the
ok - perhaps i can offer to get the knoppix dvd - unless anyone else
already has it i can start that tonight?
Roger
Steve Holdoway wrote:
I need the 32/64 bit CentOS 5.1 isos, so I'll get them downloaded over the
weekend.
Steve
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:35:33 +1300
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL
On 12/5/07, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am happy to get the CentOS ISOs over the next week or so, I should be
able to deliver them to the Centre Tuesday next week.
Thank you so much. Remember that there is no meeting in the Centre,
because we are going to the pub to start off the
I've certainly got a firewire card, and I *think* I've got an usb card lying
around. Any use??
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:07:38 +1300
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/5/07, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am happy to get the CentOS ISOs over the next week or so, I should
The USB one would be very useful. Many thanks.
I dont think firewire is anything like as common as USB-2.x.
So I'm not sure as to the usefullness of firewire.
On 12/5/07, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've certainly got a firewire card, and I *think* I've got an usb card lying
around.
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:07, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
It has gone through my mind to suggest that we should buy a USB-2.x one.
I bought one for myself from DSE a few seeks ago, it cost me $39.98.
I have been reminded that people who have wholesaler accounts can get
things cheaper.
Volunteer?
On Wed, December 5, 2007 11:33 am, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
The USB one would be very useful. Many thanks.
I dont think firewire is anything like as common as USB-2.x.
So I'm not sure as to the usefullness of firewire.
Its way better for sustained throughput than USB2, but not as common on
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:54, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
Yes, the color theme is a bit more pleasing. I thought about running one
login-manager for every distribution on my computer. (That would be
five) I somewhere heard that it is possible.
Tried Xen?
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:54, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
Yes, the color theme is a bit more pleasing. I thought about running one
login-manager for every distribution on my computer. (That would be
five) I somewhere heard that it is possible.
Tried Xen?
Steve Holdoway wrote:
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:54, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
Yes, the color theme is a bit more pleasing. I thought about running
one
login-manager for every distribution on my computer. (That would be
five) I somewhere heard that it is possible.
Adrian Robertson wrote:
The problem with the ATI linux drivers other than that they can prove
dificult to install is that the performance is crap compared to the
ATI Windows drivers.
Trying to play UT2K4 with my Radeon 9800xt using the linux drivers is
just painful.
With my 9600Mobility it
Do you prefer Gnome or KDE?
If you mostly like Ubuntu - and KDE, Mepis is worth a look.
Lance
Jamie Dobbs wrote:
This is not meant to cause a distro-war, I mearly want some opinions on
the pros and cons of various Linux distributions. I have been a keen
Gentoo user to this point but find
On 8/16/05, sirlancelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you prefer Gnome or KDE?
If a search for what you want is what you're after I thought this was nifty:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php
If you scroll down a bit you can search by distrobution criteria. It
may not always produce a result tho.
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 13:42 +1200, Jamie Dobbs wrote:
Fedora Core 4 - From the quick look I have had at it looks pretty good,
just not too sure of package availability for it or package mangement
tools.
Package availability off the CDs is quite good as long as you do not
want movie-playing!
Jamie Dobbs wrote:
Ubuntu - Have tried this in the past and found is pretty good but there
was just something about it that but me off, I'm not sure what it was as
package management is pretty good (apt-get) and sources appear to be
pretty up to date. I think in all honesty it was just the
On Tue, August 16, 2005 2:02 pm, Michael JasonSmith said:
[snip]
Fredora treats me well. It comes with good software that works together.
The biggest improvements that I notice in each release are often to do
with GNOME, but that is partly to do with what is in front of me!
--
Michael
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:20, Douglas Royds wrote:
Voila - (almost) no sign of the Ubuntu look remaining. The only thing I
haven't cracked yet is that I still get a brown background to the Gnome
splash screen. It looks particularly hideous with a blue splash screen
on top of it!
ewugh!!!
Heya,
Voila - (almost) no sign of the Ubuntu look remaining. The only thing I
haven't cracked yet is that I still get a brown background to the Gnome
splash screen. It looks particularly hideous with a blue splash screen
on top of it!
Hrm, I can only guess that's a weird combination of
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:42:00 +1200 (NZST)
Jamie Dobbs wrote:
Main uses of the PC are:
Web browsing (Firefox)
Email (Thunderbird)
Office app (OpenOffice or perhaps KOffice)
FTP Client (open to recommendations of a good graphical FTP Client)
MP3 playing (XMMS)
CD ripping to MP3 (Still
Hey,
This is not meant to cause a distro-war, I mearly want some opinions on
the pros and cons of various Linux distributions. I have been a keen
Gentoo user to this point but find that I am tiring if the time it takes
to actually get software installed.
I think you need to ask yourself a
snip
IMHO this is what may keep you with gentoo. Most distros are scared to
include mp3 and win32codecs and dvd cracking stuff for legal reasons.
They do not want to distribute potentially illegal software, especially
as the USA with its DMCA is one of the major markets.
Gentoo doesn't
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:42, you wrote:
snip
Main uses of the PC are:
Web browsing (Firefox)
Email (Thunderbird)
Office app (OpenOffice or perhaps KOffice)
FTP Client (open to recommendations of a good graphical FTP Client)
MP3 playing (XMMS)
CD ripping to MP3 (Still trying to find a good
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:42, Jamie Dobbs wrote:
Main uses of the PC are:
Web browsing (Firefox)
Email (Thunderbird)
Office app (OpenOffice or perhaps KOffice)
FTP Client (open to recommendations of a good graphical FTP Client)
MP3 playing (XMMS)
CD ripping to MP3 (Still trying to find a
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 16:21 +1200, Robert Fisher wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:42, Jamie Dobbs wrote:
Main uses of the PC are:
Web browsing (Firefox)
Email (Thunderbird)
Office app (OpenOffice or perhaps KOffice)
FTP Client (open to recommendations of a good graphical FTP Client)
sirlancelot wrote:
Do you prefer Gnome or KDE?
If you mostly like Ubuntu - and KDE, Mepis is worth a look.
You yould also try KUbuntu. Either download it directly or use (sudo)
apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. Then you have good support for both,
KDE and Gnome.
Lance
Happy Hacking,
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:20, Douglas Royds wrote:
Voila - (almost) no sign of the Ubuntu look remaining. The only thing I
haven't cracked yet is that I still get a brown background to the Gnome
splash screen. It looks particularly hideous with a blue splash screen
and in case anyone missed it:
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-01-21-014-26-NW-DT-SWtbovrmode=1#talkback_area
Nick Rout wrote:
Sorry if this repeats another posting:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3097027thesection=technologythesubsection=general
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