Thanks for this Luke. I heard José Luis Pastor perform in 2011 in Gijon, and he
was absolutely amazing.
Ed
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> On Apr 25, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Luke Emmet wrote:
>
> Perhaps slightly earlier than you had in mind, but not so long ago at the UK
> Lute Society we had a
Great playing indeed - though none of these pieces have any obligatory
polyphony :)
It would be interesting to hear a plectrum player tackle the Pesaro
Manuscript, which seems to employ the old plectrum style but has many
full chords in between.
On 25.04.19 19:10, Luke Emmet wrote:
Perhaps
Thank you David,
this was an interesting read!
I might add that the intabulations could also be made to contain all of
the polyphony so you can choose which notes you need to sustain
according to which voices you are accompanying.
Any idea which voice could most often be left out? This would
Perhaps slightly earlier than you had in mind, but not so long ago at
the UK Lute Society we had a presentation and recital by Jose Luis
Pastor on the use of the plectrum in Medieval Lute playing.
His accompanying CD called "The Evidence" provides a very compelling
performance and
On (un-)playable intabulations:
[1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/
David
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 15:58, Tristan
That is interesting - but I was referring to solutions where you can
safely strum all of it because all notes are in harmony or in the
scale. :)
Also, I have enough to work on the fingering itself - and I still
haven't found out how to play the sometimes occurring 5 notes on 4
Ron, Tristan, et al.,
I've always wondered about the odd "L" chord in Baroque guitar
notation: a C-minor chord in first position, guitar tuning. Obviously,
it is best with an E-flat on the 2nd string 4th fret, but that's a bit
of a stretch for amateurs. The other version contains a
thank you very much, dear Jean-Marie!!!
El 06-09-2018 12:40, Jean-Marie Poirier escribió:
Dear Manolo,
It is not a lute, but a mandore, and the tablature book is a
manuscript for this instrument which had only 5 strings most of the
time,
so only 5 lines in the tablature !
I don't know what the
Dear Manolo,
It is not a lute, but a mandore, and the tablature book is a manuscript for
this instrument which had only 5 strings most of the time,
so only 5 lines in the tablature !
I don't know what the music is, but it could be copied from a book by de Chancy
and there are manuscripts for
Dear Luca,
I suspect that it is a Burkholzer copy by Lars Jönsson, about the same body
size as the Fenton House Undervorben with a SL of around 71cm. The record
company has put the CD booklet online here:
http://www.bgsrecords.com/products/images/pages/BGS120.pdf
Best
Matthew
On Nov 23,
Thank you, Matthew!
It looks like it is.
Have a nice Sunday,
Luca
Matthew Daillie on 23/11/14 10:32 wrote:
Dear Luca,
I suspect that it is a Burkholzer copy by Lars Joensson, about the same body siz
e as the Fenton House Undervorben with a SL of around 71cm. The record company h
as
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When I plot the partial derivative of F'(T) using the values for
this string I find that the sensitivity is actually quite
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Mathematica into submission) for the string tension and do a plot. Quite
instructive.
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Are there coefficients of elasticity for the two different materials (gut,
metal) that must be taken into account?
Leonard
On 12/20/13, 11:48 AM, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Thank you. Since my question is unrelated to fretting and is only related
to tuning
Yes, Leonard, there are! But that's where the math is becoming really exciting,
large integrals and differentials arriving in droves, and then departing,
leaving the human brain bloodless and exhausted. Therefore this coefficients
must be ignored, (especially since the manner in which gut and
David,
according to Pythagoras, When the tension on a string remains the same
but the length L is varied, the period of the vibration is proportional
to L.
According to Mersenne - When the length of a string is held constant
but the tension T is varied, the frequency of oscillation is
Therefore the string deformation of a low tension string at the lower
pitch will change that pitch noticeably much more then at any higher
pitch.
But ... small deviations are much more noticable in high register than
in low.
David
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Hi Alexander,
Thank you. Since my question is unrelated to fretting and is only related to
tuning Pythagoras's relation does not apply. The Mersenne relation does apply
when tuning and the derivative of
F ~ sqrt(T)
Is
F'(T) ~ 1/sqrt(T)
This is where my thought that increasing the a
Thanks. Those are the equations I started with. I have spreadsheets and
Mathematica documents all setup with theses equations and their derivatives. I
use them to gauge my strings when I ordering.
Regards
David
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Dieter Schmidt
When I plot the partial derivative of F'(T) using the values for
this string I find that the sensitivity is actually quite small; less
than 1/10th of a hertz per Newton
Don't think in Hertz. The difference between 440 and 441Hz is a smaller
difference in pitch than between 40
David,
this large change of pitch with a little peg turn happens precisely with either
low twist or stiff strings. The mechanics of a gimped string are quite
complex, due to the wire embedded. Not only the gut string material has to
give, when stretched, but also the mechanical connection
Theoretically at some higher pitch the level of elasticity against the pitch
would increase enough to give a sense that string responds slower to increasing
tension. However this would happen at some pitch making tension way too high.
If you try to bring the pitch down, it will only make this
Thank you for the explanation. If you have the formula please perform an
unrestrained act and share it. I really would be interested in it.
Regards
David
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On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 AM, alexander voka...@verizon.net wrote:
Theoretically at some higher pitch the level of
of the silver.
Anyway, any additional thoughts welcome.
Regards
David
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Williams
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:47 PM
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Miles brings up a good point. If the string is gimped, the metal
³core² will cause the string to behave more like a metal string: less
elastic than the gut covering it. I use
with it
since I have for many months so far.
Regards
David
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Miles
will continue to live
with it
since I have for many months so far.
Regards
David
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Hi David, could you please tell me which gauges are you using? and
vibrating string length, too. Maybe that could help to understand your
issue.
Regards.
2013/12/18 Sean Smith [1]lutesm...@mac.com
Dear David,
I'm kind of slow in the math department but in my experience
David,
there is a possibility of improving your situation. First you have to make sure
you know which way the string is twisted (clockwise or counter). A strong
magnifying glass might be of help.
Next you need to get one end of the string free, either the bridge end or the
peg end.
Firmly
Great advice! I had never thought about this myself, but , yes, of course it
should be possible to increase the twist and get more flexible gut strings!
There is a type of gut string called Venice which is manufactured with a much
higher twist and is much more flexible. It behaves differently,
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:11:40 -0500, alexander wrote
there is a possibility of improving your situation. First you have
to make sure you know which way the string is twisted (clockwise or
counter). A strong magnifying glass might be of help. Next you need
to get one end of the string free,
Greetings, Ralf.
Yes, i have done it on all sorts of strings, for about 30 years or so. Even top
strings, gut and synthetic.
As far as uneven distribution, the string under tension deems to distribute
whatever twist there is, evenly. If the twist is done to a reasonable degree,
and, as i
sorry, but I want to ask: did you ever try this out yourself and
did it really work? Even if you really manage to fix the string
Back in my carbon days (don't tell anybody) I used to twist (and
slightly sandpaper) some strings on the theorbo. I used to buy carbon
fishing line in
additional thoughts welcome.
Regards
David
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On Wed, 18 Dec
, 2013 5:57 AM
To: alexander; David Smith
Cc: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:11:40 -0500, alexander wrote
there is a possibility of improving your situation. First you have to
make sure you know which way the string is twisted (clockwise
: [LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:11:40 -0500, alexander wrote
there is a possibility of improving your situation. First you have to
make sure you know which way the string is twisted (clockwise or
counter). A strong magnifying glass might be of help. Next you
I've thought about this too. Here's another way of stating the same thing
(below). I would try and ensure that the octave string is in the same tension
range.
The slacker the string, the greater will be proportionate change in tension
when you press the string against a fret. Hence the
Dear David,
I'm kind of slow in the math department but in my experience low
tensions strings _are_ more difficult to tune. When you get close to
the breaking point - ok, and just a bit shy of almost there - they
find that sweet spot rather nicely and you get a fine action around
the
Dear ones,
I am posting this per request, of an available
old lute, if anyone is interested. If
interested, please contact Rafael at montserrat.raf...@gmail.com.
Dear Ed,
We corresponded at the beginning of the year
about my Haldon Chase lute. You may be
interested in knowing that
Actually, this came back to me correctly.
It must be that people are CC'ing the list
instead of posting to it and CC'ing individuals.
Never mind.
On 04/05/2012 11:26 AM, Toby wrote:
Other mailing lists that I'm on are set up
so that hitting reply sends a message to
the list, not the poster
Yes, there was, and a very good one.
There were too many private opinions
escaping onto the list and into the aether,
so it was decided to minimize that possibility.
RT
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I do not have the LP anywhere close these days, but couldn't they be:
Pavana La Milanesa
Saltarello (both of Pietro Paulo Borrono)
from the Casteliono, 1536?
Best wishes,
Luca
Ariel Abramovich on 03/05/11 12.56 wrote:
Dear friends,
I'm looking for two pieces included
I don't have the recording in question, but I remember there is a duet
Pavana-Saltarello Milanese in one of Borrono's printed books (not
Casteliono, which has only solos). I'll try to find it.
Martin
On 03/05/2011 12:11, Luca Manassero wrote:
I do not have the LP anywhere close these
Got it! They're in one of the 1546 books - Brown 1546(8), ff.19v-21.
My copy might be a bit faint to scan, but I can send it if you want.
Martin
On 03/05/2011 12:15, Martin Shepherd wrote:
I don't have the recording in question, but I remember there is a duet
Pavana-Saltarello Milanese in
Usually a tiny drop of glue is used. You may have had one that just came loose.
Do not use glue containing rubbery material, or use shims of paper or
cardboard.
If a shim is necessary, use paper with rag content, and the tiniest
drop of crazy glue.
The glue will wick through the paper and alter
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009, nedma...@aol.com said:
The 8 course lute I purchased recently came with octave tuning from the
5th to 8th course. I changed the 5th and 6th course to unison (
keeping the 7th and 8th octave ) because I found that playing any
passages on those couses with
I haven't tried this personally, but I've heard of de-tuning the
octave (or fundamental) just enough to be noticeable when both strings are
struck together. This will be a clear indication of whether both strings,
or only one, of the pair are being sounded. Of course, this would work for
any
nedma...@aol.com schrieb:
Since I'm in the process of making the
transition from thumb over to thumb under technique, is it possible
that as I improve my right hand technique I should be able to play
octave stringing with alternating thumb-index and not have one
string dominant
Ned,
That's a good question. I don't play much thumb-under anymore, but I'll
give you my two cents anyway. It is best to get the thumb and index fingers
sounding as close to each other as possible. You want to at least make sure
that you're hitting both strings with every stroke. I
Dear Ned,
The question you ask is an interesting one. The answer is yes, but it
requires some qualification.
There is no doubt (I think) that the practice of octave stringing
originated from the advantage of combining the higher (and more in-tune)
harmonics of the upper octave string with
Ned,
As for the octave courses - I think its a fine way to begin. The previous
owner of my first lute had strung his that way so that's how I began. In the
scheme of things, its not so unusual or even inauthentic. The possible
pitfall here is to get in the habit of only hitting one
I recently received a message from a very talented lutenist, Jason
Yoshida, who incidentally mentioned receiving lutes from Luciano Faria.
I think he will not find if I mention it here. He said:
--SNIP--
I have not updated my site but I got in the past year or so, 2 new
Baroque
Ddear Michael,
Luciano Faria is a great luthier. His instruments are of an excellent
quality, since the choice of the wood to the design of them. A great
artist. A specialist in Ancient Instruments.
I have a baroque lute made by him (after Hans Frey) and it has a very
good
Around 2 years ago I got an archlute.
A friend of mine finally got his theorbo after some time. It had both
of us worried.
Luciano lost both his mother and his father in the last year so slack
was cut.
I used to talk to him on Skype.
On Aug 24, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Michael Ely wrote:
Dear
Wayne,
Occasionally, and only when you tell how to and where, do I introduce
small variations of your code. SVN (actually I only use CVS --has that
become Early Software yet?-- on occasion) for me would be a sledgehammer
to crack an incipient peanut.
Peter.
On Thu, 29 May 2008, Wayne
Hi Anton,
Yes, I've tried them but they are not much different from wound nylon.
Your question however gave me an impulse to write couple of thoughts about
stringing.
In general when choosing strings for any lute I consider three things:
1/ do I want to be historically correct? ( and then the
Anton, Ed
I did use these many years ago, and I seem to remember that they
were slightly warmer than the nylon core; but when compared with a
gimped string (possibly even an open-wound), they still should be
classified as bright. Lindberg in the LSA article seems to think that
Dear Ed, Anthony
I indeed played all the time on kurschner wound
strings (synthetic) and felt they were the bes for me.
But now I do have the gut strung baroque lute which is
wonderful and Aquila Gut is very good. The basses I
have are Demi File and I still feel I would like to
try something else
Dear Anton
Do you think 3 kilos tension is ok for the wound gut
basses? Or should it be less somehow?
Ed will be able to help you more on the technical issue of tension;
but I am not sure whether you are asking if the wound gut can be
tensed to 3K. I suppose that depends on the
Anton,
UI have not tried them, but I recall a conversation with the USA
distributor, and he cannot tell the difference in sound from the gut core ,
as compared to the Savarez nylon floss core.
ed
At 03:00 PM 9/21/2007 -0700, Anton Birula wrote:
Dear Friends,
I wonder if anybody is using
Nick,
The exception that proves the rule.
The basic answer is that 63cm is too long to comfortably tune to G at
modern pitch A440.
My flat-back is 63.5 cm VL, and I tune it to G. But there is no musical
string that will hold that at that length. The closest is a nylon string,
I've held G
I beg to differ with you guys:
On Jan 20, 2006, at 4:16 AM, Jon Murphy wrote:
The basic answer is that 63cm is too long to comfortably tune to G at
modern pitch A440.
...there is no musical
string that will hold that at that length.
I string my 66 cm Venere 10-course in G, using a
My flat-back is 63.5 cm VL, and I tune it to G. But there is no
musical
string that will hold that at that length.
Another beautiful theory destroyed by ugly facts. We have two 65 cm
ten course lutes (almost identical) and they are often kept at G
(A440) with either nylon or nylgut
Dear all,
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, David Rastall wrote:
I string my 66 cm Venere 10-course in G, using a chanterelle of 0425
Pyramid nylon. I've never broken a chanterrelle yet. It works
fine. It sounds just as good in G, with all the string gauges
appropriately lighter than for F
Hi Steve,
on Monday 16 January 2006 22:43, you wrote:
I'm new to the lute email list and need some help.
Welcome to the List!
It was strung with nylon for 1st, 2nd and 3rd courses, unison wound
strings for the 4th and 5th courses, and nylon octaves + wound
strings for the 7th and 8th
Hi Steve,
the diameter for the strings should be somewhere near the following
example (gut or nylgut on 1st will probably break very soon):
Hope that helps.
Benjamin
results for Lute (10 c.) a'=440Hz 63cm
String Note Length Tension Gut Nylon Carbon KFNylgut
1stg'63 3,7
The basic answer is that 63cm is too long to comfortably tune to G at
modern pitch A440.
You could tune to G at A=415Hz - ie a semitone lower equivalent to F#
modern pitch - fine for solos and singers and a lot of viol players, but
not for playing with instruments at modern pitch, unless you use a
Thanks to everyone for their responses! I've taken your advice and emailed
Catline Henricksen to arrange for a few sets of strings. The La Bella
strings are now safely loose on my lute and I'll wait until getting new ones
from Chris to resume playing it.
I would also like to remark that it was
Dear Steve:
The stringing on your Larry Brown lute appears to be normal and typical.
However, the string length is a bit longer than the usual 59 to 60 cm. That
may be a partial explanation for the string breakage.
In my opinion your best course would be to purchase strings from Chris
but if it
is still there you should be able to find it.
Vance Wood.
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