Good morning, Gary!
The Polish music scholar Alexander Polinski owned at leasttwo
manuscripts of lute music. One foundits way to the library of Countess
Thibault (MS VII) and passed to the BibliothAquenationale, RA(c)s Vmc
ms. 61.
The other one which dates around 1600 was about
Of course Piccinini resorted to Polish tablature in the first toccata of
his (posthumous) 1639 book, in order to notate notes above the 12th fret.
M
On 15/10/2014 10:18, AJN wrote:
Good morning, Gary!
The Polish music scholar Alexander Polinski owned at leasttwo
manuscripts of
Dear Arthur,
Very interesting . . . If used with discretion and the knowledge that
these geographic labels are not absolute, such terminology is useful.
After all, is French tablature really French? The earliest extant
example is certainly Italian (the Pesaro MS), but it becomes so
Am 15.10.2014 um 15:47 schrieb Gary Boye:
As to the sources:
The first one you mention is already in my list, although I had to make
a change for its origins (not sure why I had it from Rome, but perhaps
this was just an error):
F-Pn Res. Vmc. ms. 61 [1712] (Poland or
That piece goes right up to the 19th semitone. On some instruments you
will just about fall into the rose.
On 10/15/2014 5:42 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Of course Piccinini resorted to Polish tablature in the first toccata
of his (posthumous) 1639 book, in order to notate notes above the 12th
Dear Collective Wisdom,
Recently I had a few unpleasant conversations with some lute sellers,
whose sales were thwarted by the advice given by me.
Therefore I've decided to update and revise an old article of mine to
reflect the practicalities of buying used lutes. So now I'm canvassing
for
Roman-
The article as it is now looks good to me. The only possible legitimate
sale thwartation I can conceive of would be that of a good instrument by
a builder that is not a model of what your article deems to be his best
style- say an unusually fine vihuela or 6-course from a luthier more
Well, Roman, I can see why you upset a few people.
I think mentioning lute makers or players by name, whether what you say
about them is positive or negative, is just a bad idea - and arguably
downright rude. If your comment is positive, someone reading it might
wonder if you have an axe
Caroline --
Are there not additional possibilities?
21, 31, 32, 41, 42, 43.
In a sense yes. But I was not counting that way.
I'm like Who cares if you have a dog and a cat or a cat and a dog.
There's no difference..
You're like Use the turn signal, then turn the steering wheel. Order
The price of secondhand lutes is more difficult. A good lute gets
better with age, and perhaps the price should reflect that...
Martin, I suspect that you and I have been experiencing quite different
used/old lutes. Of course, you do specify good lute; but as an active
lute teacher here in
Dan, as you say, I specified good lutes. Age will clearly not help
anything which was never any good in the first place.
When we have weeded out the lutes which are simply never going to be any
good, that leaves a large number (perhaps the majority) where some TLC
from someone who knows what
Oh, I do that too. And the local dude who gets these repair referrals
knows who he is... However, the little jobs like nut spacing, fret
replacement, even some bridge hole tweaking, and ESPECIALLY
stringing/re-stringing I do myself- student's lutes go up on the padded
dining room table, off
Herbert-
I have spent about two weeks researching this. Not exhaustively, but
going through some of the major sources of actual 8 course lute pieces
that already are littering my music practice area. Specifically, whole
volumes of Dowland, Molinaro, Holborne; and selections from Danyel,
Actually the brouhaha was mainly about the bridge width, even before I
could get to the distorted swanneck curve..
I will read your advice, and incorporate whatever I can, with your
indulgence.
RT
On 10/15/2014 2:14 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Well, Roman, I can see why you upset a few people.
Hi Roman,
Well, we've had this discussion before but I really can't agree on your minimum
width for a 13-course lute. In paragraph 3 you say ' Make sure the bridge is
not too narrow, ideally in the vicinity of 155mm between the 1st and the 13th
course. If it measures only 145mm - stay away.
On Oct 15, 2014, at 12:39 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually the brouhaha was mainly about the bridge width, even before I could
get to the distorted swanneck curve..
Previous discussions indicate that there’s a lot of disagreement with your view
of bridge spacing; you might want to
No way.
I'm channeling Pat's idea/ls.
RT
On 10/15/2014 3:51 PM, howard posner wrote:
On Oct 15, 2014, at 12:39 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually the brouhaha was mainly about the bridge width, even before I could
get to the distorted swanneck curve..
Previous discussions indicate
I still distinctly remember the misery that Guy Marchand went through
on a 145mm axe.
The situation comes up at fairly regular intervals, so I'll stand by
what I wrote.
The pegbox distortion viz bridge situation was discussed with 2
reputable luthiers.
RT
On 10/15/2014 3:45
Damn, I would have put money on a scenario involving a furious Papazian
owner losing a $5,000 sale to a buyer that your article would have
warned off. (Those things will take your left hand off at the wrist
faster than a Pirhana in the bathtub if you attempt a barre chord. I
speak from
That is probably why it survived. No one could play it.
RT
On 10/15/2014 4:41 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:
Damn, I would have put money on a scenario involving a furious
Papazian owner losing a $5,000 sale to a buyer that your article would
have warned off. (Those things will take your left hand
OK, but if you’re catching flak about your remarks on bridge spacing, and you
know you won’t change those remarks even to say that not everyone agrees with
you about it, why are you asking for ideas?
On Oct 15, 2014, at 12:58 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
No way.
I'm channeling Pat's
There are statistics
[1]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg19722.html
which offer 2 possibilities -
narrow ones were played with nails
and/or unplayed at all.
Back in the 50s and 60s when Bream was THE lutenist, the strings were
almost parallel, as suited a
I've thoroughly enjoyed my 8-course. It seems easy enough to play
7-course repertoire on the 8 - the open 'F' is nice, and it's no real
inconvenience to train my brain to see '/d' and automatically play '/a'
Original Message
SUBJECT:
[LUTE] Re:
My sentiments exactly. As a Renaissance lute player, the only reason I
could imagine buying a 7 course is if I got an extraordinary deal on an
instrument that I loved otherwise.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Samuel Lawson [1]sjlaw...@sdf.org
wrote:
I've thoroughly enjoyed
That's funny! As probably the only extant Papazian lute owner/player in
the world today (possible?) I beg to differ. It isn't that hard to
play, my only complaint is it was hard to find strings, and with a 64cm
string length, the tension is awfully high on the trebles, making
subtle
Hear, hear!
On Oct 15, 2014, at 22:50, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote:
OK, but if you’re catching flak about your remarks on bridge spacing, and you
know you won’t change those remarks even to say that not everyone agrees with
you about it, why are you asking for ideas?
Huh?
All the players I respect tend to have wider bridges, and Pat's own
Jauck-Rutherford was even 157 mm. My 155 was copied from Barto's.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 15, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Matthew Daillie dail...@club-internet.fr wrote:
Hear, hear!
On Oct 15, 2014, at 22:50, howard
Hey! Not bad at all; very good sound (given computer recording
circumstances) good playing, ornaments too. I would suggest backing off
the tempo a couple clicks, sounds a little bit rushed (can't make the
old lute teacher keep his mouth shut, sorry!) You must have a left hand
like a vise. I
On 2014-10-15, 6:36 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:
I visited Manouk Papazian in his New York shop all those years ago (1965
or 66), the instruments weren't that bad except that I couldn't begin to
fret them- ended up with a much more playable 9 course from David Rubio-
but still it was a bone saddle,
What about the King of Denmarks Galliard in Robert Dowlands Variety. IIRC,
you pretty much need the open F and D if you want to pull it off well. I would
tune 7 to low D and play the Fs up an octave probably. But Im on board with
you. I had my 8 course converted to a 7 course long ago. I
Dear Gary,
The varieties of lute tablatures are indeed confusing and inconsistent,
but it seems to me they had been established for so long, it would be
difficult to reform the nomenclature. I certainly did not wish to
suggest that Luis Milan's tablature type be changed to
If one plays several instruments, having them similar might be a consideration
for bridge spacing. Bream had his lute the same scale as his guitar, I believe.
My Ren lute is my main instrument. I have no problem with my right hand when
playing my archlute because the spacing is not that
I asked the point of asking for ideas if you’ve already decided you’re not
going to change the thing you’re asking ideas about, even to acknowledge that
some players disagree with you.
On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:46 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
Huh?
All the players I respect tend to have wider
I have always cringed every time Luis Milan's tab was called Spanish -
for the of course obvious reason that no other Spaniard used it. I
always thought that was a mistake made only by a few ignorant folks-
shocked to see how widespread institutionalized it was. I like the
idea of Valencian,
Ed-
It's a piece a cake. Every time he calls for the low F, it's in low
position chord voicing that makes it very, very easy to finger on the
7th course at the 3rd fret. Dowland does not call for this note in many
places where he could; as if the piece was originally conceived for a 7
Very well written. Mace would be proud of you.
On Oct 16, 2014, at 12:30 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Collective Wisdom,
Recently I had a few unpleasant conversations with some lute sellers, whose
sales were thwarted by the advice given by me.
Therefore I've decided to update and
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