It seems to me that historical research is useful to modern performance
practice on early instruments, but does not exercise a tyranny over it
unless one is concerned with reproducing a particular performance
exactly. It seems fairly obvious to me that the lutenists/composers of
the
You are mistaken if you think this applies generally MH
--- On Sat, 2/7/11, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Ron Andrico
As a response to mentioning Sting, in a neutral way as far as I was
aware, in my recent ramblings on how music becomes different with a
different sound aesthetic, I received a rather unpleasant private
e-mail insinuating I have a grudge against Sting. Nothing could be
further from the truth, in
And I missed the opportunity to use Stung by a Lutenist as subject line ... |-(
David
On 3 July 2011 11:25, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote:
As a response to mentioning Sting, in a neutral way as far as I was
aware, in my recent ramblings on how music becomes different with a
Dear Mathias,
As a man of the cloth, you will know that music has long been able to
have a powerful effect on the listener:
And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that
David took an harp, and played with his hand; so Saul was refreshed. And
was well, and the evil
That's very true,
but -
There are instances of decidedly unpowerful and inconsequential music having
a power effect on a lot of listeners.
RT
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From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk
To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject:
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From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:24 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Gynocentricityness
On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote:
If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric.
cf.
On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:12 AM, howard posner wrote:
As far as I can follow it (and following it isn't easy) this entire
discussion about self-expression suffers from terminal
vagueness. What exactly are we talking about?...A discussion of
this sort really needs carefully defined terms or it
GynEcology. British AE is generally American E.
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
wrote:
- Original Message - From: howard posner
[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
To: Lutelist [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011
Howard,
That's BS, because you should know that a goodly portion of the Mass nicely
predates the events in question, having been composed previously as an
oratorio Davidde Penitente.
And I distinctly recall a famous musicologist referring to the choice of
c-minor as a slap in the face of
That's Creativity, not Self-Expression.
RT
From: David R d_lu...@comcast.net
The term self expression can refer to the phenomenon of taking a
bunch of notes and makng music out of them.
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On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
That's Creativity, not Self-Expression.
You remind me of those music students who say, I don't want to learn
music, I just want to learn to play the... (fill in the instrument
of your choice).
If one is capable of creativity, then surely
No, these are 2 entirely unrelated insticts,
and ideally they produce great results, when combined in the same
individual.
That is not so common.
A powerful instinct for self expression, unsupported by that of creativity
may
produce something like this Russian composer:
On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
No, these are 2 entirely unrelated insticts,
and ideally they produce great results, when combined in the same
individual.
That is not so common.
Ever wonder why it's not so common?
A powerful instinct for self expression, unsupported by
One of my all-tme favorites, a song about a cossack who comes home from a
war to find a child that doesn't resemble him, but has a distinct Gypsy
look. He interrogates his wife, she is being evasive, but finally confesses.
He takes out his saber and takes her head off.
Cantio Sarmatoruthenica
On 7/3/2011 6:13 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
That's very true,
but -
There are instances of decidedly unpowerful and inconsequential music
having
a power effect on a lot of listeners.
RT
Once again I refer everyone to:
On Music- In Three Books
by Aristides Quintilianus
Translation , with
On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
No, these are 2 entirely unrelated insticts,
and ideally they produce great results, when combined in the same
individual.
That is not so common.
Ever wonder why it's not so common?
No. This is now it should be.
RT
A powerful instinct
On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States?
I rarely refer to gynecology, regardless of what state I'm in, and I would
definitely avoid the word in Utah, especially on a Sunday. I sometimes refer
to my wife's OB guy.
You might be
Ok. I had decided to start from the easiest tune. In my opinion this
tune was Schoner deutscher dantz.
And what do you think? Was it easy? Not at all!
Here is little video of my tortures with it:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iswze5VJzNQ
Maybe 67cm string measure is to
On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Howard,
That's BS, because you should know that a goodly portion of the Mass nicely
predates the events in question, having been composed previously as an
oratorio Davidde Penitente.
You have it backwards: the oratorio Davidde Penitente,K.
You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary of
the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines gyno- as
a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in the
formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore.
Which is American. I checked
That may very well be so, but a Mass does not have to complete to be a
full-blown slap in the face of the ecclesiastical taste. And eccessive
melancholy has always been viewed with suspicion by the authorities. Still
is.
RT
From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
Howard,
That's BS,
On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and all
the sources it quotes seem to be American
You seem to imply that if they're American, they don't count...
Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny
On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
That may very well be so, but a Mass does not have to complete to be a
full-blown slap in the face of the ecclesiastical taste. And eccessive
melancholy has always been viewed with suspicion by the authorities. Still is.
I no longer know
Gorgeous! I might be the only one asking this, but would it be
possible at some point to have the lyrics included the initial
statement of the melody? I'd love to pretend I'm a Ukrainian bard
singing to his bandura, and I can pronounce Ukrainian and Russian ok...
Edward C. Yong
Thank you, Edward!
Lyrics sent.
RT
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From: Edward C. Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg
To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Cantiones
Gorgeous! I might be the only one asking
Hi, Monica and all,
It's gynEcology here. Or GYN, pronounced Gee-why-en.
Best,
Chris.
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
wrote:
- Original Message - From: howard posner
[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
To: Lutelist
David,
this is awesome. I'll try to play it myself that way according to your
video. Who can attack you because of your assumed personal preferences?!?
Best wishes,
Mathias
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von
Dear Stewart,
Whoever performs on the lute, will necessarily focus on their audience.
Tonight I introduced the lute to very young students of a music school.
Since children under, say, eleven years of age usually can't distinguish
eras of the past, I told them that the lute belongs to that era
Another way to move an audience:
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On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Karen Hore wrote:
In mild defence of the inhabitants of that collection of islands with toes in
the North and Irish Seas, the Atlantic Ocean, and that much quarrelled over
stretch of water La Manche/The English Channel. Their venerable
lexicographical
That makes sense - presumably you don't like dipthongs in the States.
Monica
- Original Message -
From: [1]Christopher Stetson
To: [2]Monica Hall
Cc: [3]Lutelist
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
Hi, Monica
Some pieces played on the Lute Society's bandora which I have on hire
for a bit longer. It's a nice instrument; it has a smokey sound and
feels satisfying to play. I still haven't mastered tuning. I reckon
that with an instrument like this - with wire strings, peg tuners,
non-equal
Mathias,
--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote:
Audiences expected to be pleased.
I beg to differ.
What do you call a person who doesn't believe that people come to concerts to
enjoy themselves? A musician.
Chris
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist
On 4 July 2011 05:39, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:
What do you call a person who doesn't believe that people come to concerts to
enjoy themselves? A musician.
I thought it was the musicians that go to concerts not to enjoy themselves.
David
--
Snip Also in our own tiny musical world there are fashions that come
and go... Where is the truth?
;-) (I guess nowhere. Let us enjoy all the different approaches.)
Snip
Wise words, Arto.
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I agree with what David says, below, it's very good. I simply have to
experiment, reverse engineering the lute from the music. Then I'll
try something else. The experiments, ongoing, are a necessary part of
the process.
However, I do think there is a point to playing the lute, or I
wouldn't do
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