Re: [Marxism] Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil's President, tests positive for the coronavirus - CNN

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Στις 8/7/20 3:12 π.μ., ο Dayne Goodwin via Marxism έγραψε:

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who is that with Brezhnev, Ioannis?

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Now can he visit Trump and cough repeatedly in his face???


Well, as for style and efficacy, this method is much better:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2d/24/e3/2d24e34de899572a15cdb6561f75a542.jpg
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Re: [Marxism] Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil's President, tests positive for the coronavirus - CNN

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Now can he visit Trump and cough repeatedly in his face???

Well, as for style and efficacy, this method is much better: 
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2d/24/e3/2d24e34de899572a15cdb6561f75a542.jpg

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Re: [Marxism] Italian & German mortality rates

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Personal responsibility is the other name of the capitalist state 
refusal to assume its own responsibilities. Just take a look at the 
photos here: 
https://contropiano.org/news/politica-news/2020/03/19/milano-lombardia-almeno-non-prendeteci-per-il-culo-0125521


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Στις 20/3/20 7:04 μ.μ., ο wytheholt--- via Marxism έγραψε:


A Chinese visitor to northern Italy noted best why the virus has spread so 
widely in Italy -- she was astounded that the Italians she saw were refusing to 
practice social distancing, even in the depths of their visitation by the 
pandemic.



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Re: [Marxism] sub-imperial characteristics - was Erdogan’s imperial play comes undone

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2) What are the political consequences of such a characterization? If 
the U.S. is imperialist (on which surely everyone here agrees) and 
China and Russia are "sub-imperialist" (i.e. qualitatively less 
imperialist), should one side with China/Russia against the U.S.? As 
we all know numerous Stalinists and Bolivarians arrive to such 
conclusions.


What about siding with workers, peasants, women, environmentalists, 
youth and all others who toil against the depradations of elites 
everywhere - including here in Africa where they often get material 
support from Western imperialism and from Chinese and Russian 
subimperialism alike.


"Siding with workers" is too abstract. The working class is certainly 
what everybody in this list is siding with. Nevertheless there are real 
world situations which one must analyses precisely in order to side with 
the workers. And different analyses imply contradicting ways to do so. 
"Siding with the workers" just evades the question

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[Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Socialist Resurgence

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does anyone have more details to offer than those that can be found here 
 
about Socialist Resurgence ?

I would appreciate any information, opinion , estimation etc


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Re: [Marxism] Trump defends abandoning Kurds by saying they didn't help US in WWII - Business Insider

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Στις 10/10/19 5:14 π.μ., ο Gary MacLennan via Marxism έγραψε:

But seriously how did we come to this?  How did the bourgeoisie allow
cretins to take over politically? 


A badly aging capitalism, a declining imperialist superpower, well, it's 
not only about the material basis and it not even ends with Trump. From 
a bourgeois point of view the personal quality of the world political 
leaders is, in most countries, clearly inferior of what it used to be, 
say, 60 years before. And it going to get rather worst than better...


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Re: [Marxism] 44 percent of workers in Brandenburg voted AfD yesterday

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Interesting breakdown by social class:
https://twitter.com/formelfriedrich/status/1168402855880994816
In confronting the rise of authoritarian far-right populism, Marxists should really 
re-think the old Trotskyist shibboleths about fascism being a primarily petit-bourgeois 
or "Bonapartist" phenomenon.  It's pretty clear that the new far-right has a 
substantial proletarian base.


Well, I think fascism is a movement not a "authoritarian far-right 
populist" party and certainly not just some pieces of paper in a ballot 
box in Brandenburg.
Marxian social class is not a sociological category:  "the proletariat" 
is not just 'the workers" who as individuals are not immune to fascism, 
let alone to "authoritarian far-right populism".


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[Marxism] OKDE Sparrtakos

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Organization of Internationalist Communists of Greece, Greek Section of 
FI, 80 years on

https://youtu.be/XUtbukpELPw
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[Marxism] elections in Greece

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Triple elections in Greece for Mayors - City Councils  , regional 
governments and European Parliament members. This is an electoral 
advertisement video for ANARSYA

 https://youtu.be/bvGwHsXnZpU
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Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Re: A Marxist History of Capitalism

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Those interested in a copy of Henry's "The Birth of Capitalism" can 
contact me offline.

I am one. I would appreciate a copy
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Re: [Marxism] She Was Called a Hero for Helping Fellow Refugees. Doing So Got Her Arrested.

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Στις 30/9/18 12:19 π.μ., ο Louis Proyect via Marxism έγραψε:

It wasn't possible to create a workers state on the basis of a return to 
the drachma but it certainly is possible to treat refugees humanely.


Of course "it wasn't possible  to create a workers state on the basis of 
a return to  the drachma". That's what the then left wing of SYRIZA and 
now Popular Unity was advocating (Yannis Milios in 2014 was even talking 
publicly about a unique salary for all !).  But it sadly turned out that 
neither treating refugees humanely is possible for a state member of the 
European Union.


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Re: [Marxism] She Was Called a Hero for Helping Fellow Refugees. Doing So Got Her Arrested.

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Στις 28/9/18 5:07 μ.μ., ο Louis Proyect via Marxism έγραψε:


(Syriza should rot in hell.)

NY Times, Sept. 28, 2018
She Was Called a Hero for Helping Fellow Refugees. Doing So Got Her 
Arrested.

By Richard Pérez-Peña


It's routine here in Greece. There are several people convicted and 
awaiting a second degree trial.
Under SYRIZA's  law, if you see from the shore a refugee drowning either 
you enjoy the spectacle and it's OK, or you jump into the sea to save 
him/her and you are a smuggler. It is that simple and If, on top of 
that, you dispose appropriate equipment, organization etc that's 
organized crime and things are turning really bad for you.  As for 
SYRIZA... well, I told you so 3,5 years ago.


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Re: [Marxism] An interview with YPG spokesman Nuri Mahmoud on Idlib

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Στις 21/9/18 1:46 μ.μ., ο Chris Slee via Marxism έγραψε:

In this context the DFNS does not want to start a war on another front - with 
Assad.


One can hardly imagine a context in which the DFNS would decide to wage 
a war against Assad

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Re: [Marxism] The Infinity of the Small

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It is behind a paywall but don't hesitate to contact me for a copy. This 
will give you a sense of his approach:



Very interesting indeed. I would appreciate a copy ...
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[Marxism] The Macedonian issue

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As NATO is expanding eastward in Europe, the Republic of Macedonia is 
about to join it. Zaev's administration in order to avoid a greek veto 
at next NATO summit is willing to satisfy greek nationalism and 
negotiate his country's name with greek government.
Here is the statement of OKDE Spartacus the Greek section of the FI on 
the situation


http://www.okde.org/~okde8395/index.php/en/announcement/97-keimena1/antiethnikismos/577-declaration-of-okde-spartakos-on-the-macedonian-issue

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Re: [Marxism] MARXISM, NATIONALISM, AND RUSSIA

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Στις 30/10/2017 07:14 μμ, ο RKOB via Marxism έγραψε:

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Those interested in this article can contact me offline and I can sent 
it to them.



Am 30.10.2017 um 15:47 schrieb Louis Proyect via Marxism:

MARXISM, NATIONALISM, AND RUSSIA
 BY NEIL A. MARTIN 



The title sounds interesting. I would appreciate your offer.
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Re: [Marxism] Žižek vs Lenin, again

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http://socialistresistance.org/zizek-vs-lenin-again/10940 


This is an abysmal reactionary book, a betrayal of what Lenin was up to which 
anticipates Stalinism’s eventual complete betrayal of October, a betrayal of 
Lenin.
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Well, i am not comfortable with betrayals anyway and this is not an 
outstanding case.
In my view, to betray Leninism presupposes to be a Leninist. Zizek has 
never been a Leninist neither by his ideas nor in deed. And of course 
Leninism is not just a matter of caprice or declaration.
It follows that this fancy organic bourgeois intellectual is innocent of 
that concrete crime of betrayal.


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[Marxism] Coordinated refoulements to Turkey

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"The unofficial refoulement from Greece to Turkey of persons that are 
possibly entitled to international protection, not only have not been 
terminated, but on the contrary seem to be conducted in concert with 
Turkish authorities violating even the notion of the rule of law. A 
recent eponymous incident shows the true dimensions of this practice."


more at:
http://www.hlhr.gr/en/coordinated-refoulements-turkey/

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Re: [Marxism] US must occupy Syria now?

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On 25/04/2017 03:46 πμ, David McMullen via Marxism wrote:

Peace has to be imposed by an outside force. Otherwise the war will drag
on causing more death and destruction. In particular, the regime needs
an outside force to surrender to and the Alawites protected from slaughter.



“We must get away from the utopian notion of simply abandoning the 
colonies. . . . The colonies are there; we must come to terms with that. 
Socialists too should acknowledge the need for civilized peoples to act 
somewhat like guardians of the uncivilized. . . . "


Eduard Bernstein

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Re: [Marxism] UN Syria Commission clears YPG/J and SDF of ethnic cleansing charges

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Devil has been burning sinners

Some scholars, like Faust, are supported by Devil.
I think it is reasonable to assume that if such scholars came to power 
and had control of hell they would be prepared to burn some sinners too.

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On 18/03/2017 10:09 μμ, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote:


Turkey has been bombing Kurdish cities.

Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemeni cities.

Some Syrian rebel groups are supported by Turkey and/or Saudi Arabia.  I think 
it is reasonable to assume that if such groups came to power and had control of 
an air force they would be prepared to bomb cities that rebelled against their 
rule.



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Re: [Marxism] "blacklisting"

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On 07/03/2017 03:43 μμ, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:

For them, Syria is "complicated," "too difficult to take sides," "unclear,"
etc. etc. etc.

In their eyes, there is no murderous regime, no Russian/Hezbollah
imperialist invasion, no self-organization by the Syrian masses.


As Lukacs once noted:
"For the average man first sees the proletarian revolution when the 
working masses are already fighting on the barricades, and – if he 
happens also to have enjoyed a vulgar-Marxist education – not even then"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/1924/lenin/ch01.htm

Different times, different situations, but striking analogies...

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[Marxism] Fourth International Opposition Platform Announced

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Fourth International Opposition Platform Announced
" ... A. The “broad parties” policy: balance sheet of a catastrophe

The FI leadership replaced the strategic goal of building revolutionary 
parties with the building of “broad parties”. A century after the 
Russian Revolution, some ask: Is the principle “no revolution without a 
revolutionary party” outdated? ... "


the whole announcement:
https://socialistaction.ca/2017/02/04/opposition/

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[Marxism] on the fall of Aleppo

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 Car toi, bien évidemment, « camarade », tu ne cèdes pas à la 
facilité. Jamais. Tu nous proposes d’ailleurs ton analyse complexe, 
pleine de hauteur et de nuance, qui ressemble à peu près à ceci : « Non, 
Assad n’est pas un démocrate, et les pays qui le soutiennent ne sont pas 
franchement des modèles non plus. Mais attention : la soi-disant 
rébellion syrienne est en réalité majoritairement composée de forces 
issues de l’islam intégriste, voire jihadiste, téléguidées et armées par 
des régimes réactionnaires comme l’Arabie saoudite, le Qatar et la 
Turquie, voire par les parrains occidentaux de ces derniers, notamment 
les États-Unis et la France. »



http://resisteralairdutemps.blogspot.gr/2016/12/massacres-alep-lettre-un-camarade-qui.html

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[Marxism] Obama in Athens

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Demonstrations against Obama in Athens.
The rally has been called by students' and worker's unions Popular Unity 
, ANTARSYA, other left groups and anarchists.
Organized fighting squads marching ahead, have clashed with SYRIZA's 
riot police.

videos at
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Re: [Marxism] Brexit and Labour Party crisis in twitterdom

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On 28/06/2016 07:12 μμ, jamie pitman via Marxism wrote:

the UK is currently an anarchy with nobody leading government or the opposition.


if this is not an opportunity for the left (whether it is Callinicos' or 
Lynch's or any other's organisation) then, there is no such a thing as 
un oppotunity for the left


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[Marxism] Brexit

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James Galbraith on the quest of a NEW DEAL for Europe:

"And most likely, since the apocalyptic predictions of economic collapse 
and “Lehman on steroids” that preceded the Brexit referendum will not 
come true, such warnings will be even less credible when heard the next 
time."


full :https://diem25.org/the-day-after/

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jo Cox, the White Helmets and the Baathist amen corner | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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More an auto-sarcasm than a critic: it has been always much easier and 
safer to pick up the easy meat of Beeley and the likes


(ie of the stupidity in our side) than to find out a way to confront 
effectively the class enemy.


 JA



Perhaps the most dangerous claim in Beeley's article is this:
"(the CIA have been linked to nearly all ‘Revolutionary Councils in Syria)"


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Re: [Marxism] Syriza versus Palestinian liberation

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The alignment of SYRIZA with the pro-Israeli turn of the Greek 
international policy was obvious as soon as August 2012 : 
http://www.kis.gr/en/index.php?option=com_content=article=447:shimon-peres-state-visit-to-greece=12:2009=41


Back then, there had been heard many voices inside SYRIZA (including 
future minister Kourakis) condemning the Tsipras-Peres meeting; but none 
of them raised any issue in 2015 when the axis 
Greece-Cyprus-Israel-Egypt was confirmed by the SYRIZA-ANEL government 
and put in place by Kotzias & Co.


https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/inquiry/16604-new-greek-governments-pro-palestine-stance-not-as-strong-as-israelis-fear

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/inquiry/22532-syrizas-u-turn-on-israel-is-now-complete

The Greek revolutionary left did speak about and in time, but no one was 
willing to listen until the "betrayal" of July 2015.
And yes, Greek bourgeoisie seeking for a new position in the imperialist 
chain after its degradation in 2009-2010, has made a shift both to 
defend its "rights" over the Mediterranean hydrocarbons, excluding the 
eternal enemy of the Turkish bourgeoisie and to "represent" along with 
the Cypriots the EU imperialism in the area. (A job to which the Greek 
bourgeoisie is traditionally accustomed to.)


And SYRIZA had been cheerfully committed to defend those "rights" all 
the way from 2012 on.


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Re: [Marxism] The Oregon Militia Spokesman Has Been Killed and Its Leaders Detained After FBI Confrontation

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On 30/01/2016 06:49 πμ, Ken Hiebert wrote:

Two excerpts from *ioannis aposperites followwd by my replies.*
*ken h*

IO That said, it is one thing to stop the occupation and another to

enforce that specific law, even if its enforcement implies stopping the

occupation. The difference lays into who makes the occupiers go. Is it a
group of environmentally concerned citizens, a left wing collectivity
perhaps, or is it the repressive apparatus of the state?


KH When you use the expression "make the occupiers go," how do you
envisage dong this?  Armed force?  A blockade of the occupation site?
  Some other way?


IO For, the repressive apparatus of the state does NOT care about the
environment.


KH You may well be right. How should that affect our course of action?



My reply would go like this:


The question of "how" is inseparably linked with the question of "who" 
will "make the (armed fascists) occupiers" go.


If the state's repressive apparatus is to do the job then there is 
nothing but violence or threat of violence. Yet violence is to cut their 
water supply off, and violence is to nuke them. It's a choice to be made 
here, and we know what the FBI did and what it is supposed to do (thanks 
to Hollywood): The FBI will seek for the cheaper, shorter and easier way 
to enforce the Law (and not that specific law) and in times when the 
police is shooting down unarmed teenagers for nothing in USA, you can 
not expect too much observation for human lives from the FBI either.


The other way around is people's anti-violence. Instead of cutting off 
their water supply you must cut off their political support. I do not 
know much about Oregon but an occupation can not stand without political 
the support of at least a part of the locals. If a demonstration of 
environmentally concerned citizens -with its necessary wide local 
support-  was to pay the occupiers a visit peacefully or not ( i do not 
seek to spare a fascist's life at any price) then you not only achieve 
your immediate goal, i.e stop the occupation, but in doing so by 
people's action, you hit the beast in the heart. The fascists would be 
removed not as heroes defeated by the superior power of the FBI, but 
politically strangled by the movement, as what they really are: as 
enemies of the oppressed. This is not to say that the people must not 
demand the area to be protected by the state; but they must also impose 
their way of action and make clear that a prohibition is not a 
protection. And if we really want the area to be protected, a whole set 
of preconditions must be fulfilled. I am referring here to issues like 
the local ranchers' problem (if it is a real one) and other of social 
and/or economic order that i suspect, but do not know.


Of course the second option may be out of the reach today, because the 
locals support massively the occupiers, or because of any other reason. 
But then what about socialism? Are we to pass over them all in silence?
After all what is "possible" is bounded not only to the pessimism of 
intelligence which analyzes and measures the concrete situation, but 
also to the optimism of will, as Gramsci would put it.


As a leftist in Oregon i would stand up to advocate the second option 
and even after having failed to gather a critical mass of protesters, i 
would denounce the unnecessary violence of the FBI and at the same time 
reveal the political character of the occupation. There is no point for 
a leftist to get drown in an anxious wannabe governmentalism.


Last, i think that our views have different gravity centers. If i get it 
right, our disagreement would lay on this: For you regarding this Oregon 
issue, the protection of that area is the final and ultimate (and in 
that last respect the liberal lawfulness comes to my mind) goal, while 
for me is just a necessary but intermediate one and consequently, i am 
not prepared to come in terms with the devil in order to achieve it.


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[Marxism] second general strike in Greece against SYRIZA government since september 2015

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Interview of Kostas Skordoulis academic and member of the leadership of 
OKDE-Spartakos


"The new Syriza-Anel government, after the September election, is a 
continuation of the previous one with one exception, openly 
pro-austerity policies. We had defined the previous government as a 
class collaboration government led by a left reformist party. This 
government can be clearly described as a bourgeois government in the 
sense that it has a program to save the ‘national economy’ through the 
imposition of austerity measures on the working class. This government 
functions in the interests of Greek and European capital and has to be 
overthrown."


Full at 
http://bolsevik.org/english/interview-kostas-skordoulissyriza-anel-government-has-to-be-overthrown.html


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Re: [Marxism] The Oregon Militia Spokesman Has Been Killed and Its Leaders Detained After FBI Confrontation

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 Ken Hiebert:" Having advocated such a law, can I advocate that it
> be enforced?  Should I make an exception where there might be armed
> resistance to enforcement?"



1. There is no doubt that the environmental issues must be always 
observed and those occupiers should somehow leave.


2. That said, it is one thing to stop the occupation and another to 
enforce that specific law, even if its enforcement implies stopping the 
occupation. The difference lays into who makes the occupiers go. Is it a 
group of environmentally concerned citizens, a left wing collectivity 
perhaps, or is it the repressive apparatus of the state?
For, the repressive apparatus of the state does NOT care about the 
environment. It's all about law-and-order. And since the bourgeois laws 
are not generally against right wing extremists but against the working 
class, calling on the law enforcement you exchange the implicit 
concession to the future repression of the working class movement which 
is (more than anyone) likely to break the "law", with an easy 
non-victory: you haven't even defeat those fascists for what they 
represent, but merely for breaking the law. And according to Jeff 
DeBonis' article, posted by our moderator, the defeat of those fascists 
seems to me (although i am jugging from afar and the absent is always 
wrong) a very urgent issue


3. If the occupiers were to be unemployed homeless workers who had 
settled in that restricted (i suppose) area and were refusing to leave 
we would be in the same situation: A group of people challenges an 
environmental issue. Obviously they should too leave the protected area. 
But then what? Call the federal agents to evict them at any price even 
shoot them down if armed?


4. And what if a nice oil company were to find it profitable to build 
inside that very area, a nice oil well. Who would call the federal 
agents, would find himself accused of industrial sabotage or something 
like this. In any case the oil company would be beyond the range of the FBI.


5. In my view, an environment protecting law is something working class 
can and must fight for. But by imposing a law the relating issue is just 
opened; not concluded. For, the enforcement of a class blind law in a 
class society is always a contradictory process. An environment 
protecting law is nothing more than a better start point for the 
oppressed to fight for their class interests.


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Re: [Marxism] The Oregon Militia Spokesman Has Been Killed and Its Leaders Detained After FBI Confrontation

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Ken Hiebert replies:
Since any attempt to shut down an armed occupation runs the risk of loss of 
life,


do we think the various police agencies should have allowed the 
occupation to continue unimpeded?


Do we think the police killed this person when there was no reason to do so?

The police risked at least one life for the sake of the enforcement of 
the bourgeois law. Their standpoint is: law and order enforcement 
whatever it takes!
Do we think that a leftist should approve this, just because that 
specific bourgeois law in that specific case protects the environment in 
an area of no particular interest for the big business while capitalism 
is ruining the Global environment, or just because the guy killed was a 
fascist pig after all?


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[Marxism] A view on SYRIZA, written a year ago

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"The 2015 Greek election has thrilled the world. An entire nation stands 
up today, for once, and shakes its fist at the imperial monster saying: 
“our lives are more important than your profit.” It’s a good feeling. 
And it feels good to feel good for a change.


But we cannot allow ourselves to simply feel good. We also have to 
prepare for what is coming next: the attempt which the imperial monster 
will initiate to punish the people of Greece for their effrontery. This 
is a powerful beast, with many sharp talons in its claws, many weapons 
at its disposal—economic, political, and (if all else fails) military 
weapons. The imperialist rulers are experienced in using all of these 
weapons, and they use them with the arrogance of a social force that 
expects to win, because they are used to winning."



Full: http://oldandnewproject.net/Essays/GreeceW

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Re: [Marxism] Debt & Greece - Why Capitulate? Another Way Is Possible

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http://www.europe-solidaire.org/spip.php?article36730

 Éric Toussaint : " The conclusion to be drawn is that a movement that 
wants to take on governmental responsibilities must be prepared to live 
up to the support it has from the people. If you propose to the 
population that they reject the conditions dictated by the creditors, if 
you propose to pursue an alternative program, then you have to be 
prepared to take the measures necessary for carrying out that program. 
We need to have social and political forces that are concretely prepared 
to stand up to the creditors and disobey the creditors. That’s the 
fundamental lesson to be learned."


Alleluia! That was exactly the contention of SYRIZA before 2015. But as 
far back as we can see, there have not been a single reformist party to 
take that way. On the opposite they have all put the "people" aside. 
SYRIZA did have "social and political forces that were concretely 
prepared to stand up to the creditors" but it had prepare them, all time 
long and especially since 2012, to do so, only on an electoral base. And 
this was SYRIZA's way to put them aside.


If a party/government is to take the necessary measures to deal with the 
situation, in favour of the oppressed and based on a people's movement, 
then for that purpose an other type of party is required, not a 
reformist one. But if a party of that kind becomes a social/political 
majority, it will admittedly have far more ambitious goals than those of 
the self-censored Thessaloniki program, and all those Toussaint's 
concerns might be just irrelevant.


If you do dispose the "social and political forces" that are concretely 
prepared" **by you** to really "stand up to the creditors" it will not 
be so just to "disobey" them by not paying back the "debt"; it will be 
to disobey them as capitalists and not as "creditors".


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Re: [Marxism] Submission re: Syria

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Per the recent controversy re: Syria, I composed this piece to provide a
brief ideological background, I think it goes very deeply into an Old Left
fight between Trotsky and Lenin.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/10/what-spain-in-1936-teaches-us-about-syria-in-2015/

I can hardly see how the two "opposing" theories can hold at the same 
time. The very passage from "The Foundations of Leninism" you mention is 
very telling. It concludes that
"every step [...] along the road to liberation, even if it runs 
counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at 
imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step."
But a step in Stalinist vocabulary is something autonomous, to be 
necessarily completed per se and in isolation from any further "step" in 
the Stalinist time line.
The equation antistalinists = fascists of the Spanish civil war, was not 
a temporal caprice of JV Stalin, but a faire corollary.


If the Spanish Democratic State is to defeat the fascist coup, before 
and in abstraction of anything else, namely the proletarian revolution, 
then any independent proletarian political activity is an opposition, an 
obstacle to the very "democratic" step and thus "objectively" helps the 
fascists.
And if these proletarian attempts persist, then the political group who 
express them is apparently funded by fascists or imperialists to serve 
their political goals. Elementary Watson!


And since this is the case it is perfectly legitimate to exterminate 
that group if not as imperialist agents then because they "objectively" 
interrupt the " objectively revolutionary step" . And in Syria it turns 
out that the absence of a well defined and visible political group of 
that kind, poses no problem. Never mind if there is no in situ political 
mediation to denounce, the bombs need no political mediation to 
exterminate any spontaneous proletarian resistance .


Where Stalin seeks to just restore in power the good guy of the 
imperialist conflict, namely the one who signed a peace pact with the 
soviet bureaucracy , Trotsky seeks the revolution: he looks "forward and 
not backward".


Stalinism is not dead. The echoes of these "arguments" are on the air. 
But they are not less catastrophic for the cause of the proletariat. 
They are just far more reactionary, and in many cases  reactionary 
enough to meet Putinism and even National- Bolshevism.


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[Marxism] Down with ourselves

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Tomorrow we are on general strike in Greece.

SYRIZA (the party) is calling on the workers
...to stop the austerity policies, which its own government imposes,
...to preserve the insurance and retirement system, which its own 
government dismantles,
...to refute the EU/Memoranda prerequisites, which its own government is 
voting for on a regular basis, and so on.

Their slogan would be: "with SYRIZA to topple SYRIZA's government"
or briefly, in a Marxian (bros) spirit, "down with ourselves"

http://syriza.gr/article/id/63203/SYRIZA:-Dinoyme-dynamikh-apanthsh-stis-pieseis-ths-ergodosias-kai-toys-ekbiasmoys-twn-daneistwn.html#.VkNsy3a3Hjn

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[Marxism] Need for Solidarity. Bourgeois state repression apparatus at work under new "left" government in Greece

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**Either Right wing  or Left wing memoranda go hand in hand with 
repression**


Incident 1
Syros is  small island of Cyclades in Greece, with some 20 000 
inhabitants. In March 2011 George Papandreou had paid a visit to the 
island as prime minister, followed by a detachment of the riot police. 
The people of the island raised to protest against the memoranda policy 
introduced by G. Papandreou. The riot police were very provocative and 
had fiercely repressed students' and workers' union leaders trying to 
approach the prime minister.


http://www.syrostoday.gr/News/17081-4-5-xronia-meta-kaloyntai-se-apologia-oi-polites-poy-eixan-katigorithei-gia-ta-epeisodia-me-ta-MAT-sti-Syro.aspx

The peaceful islanders were terribly shocked by tear gas and grenades.
The riot police arrested 13 locals on serious (yet forged) charges 
falling under the "antiterrorism" laws.
There was at the time mass mobilization in Syros (even from the local 
committees of the bourgeois parties) as well as in Athens and the case 
was dropped by the prosecutor.
Now that the third "left" memorandum can not be implemented without 
repression, the 13 are been all over again prosecuted.


Incident 2

The administrative personnel of the greek universities faced with mass 
layoffs went on strike on autumn 2013 decided by their unions' general 
assemblies and their federation. On 25 November 2013 their strike was 
declared illegal by a court ordering them to stop it. The court's 
decision was announced too late, at 18:00, after work finish and could 
not therefore be implemented but next day, 26 November. That very 
evening, ADEDY, the confederation of public workers, declared a new 
strike for 26 November 2013 in order to cover them up. The court did 
nothing at the time. The strikers finally lost until 25 Jan 2015 when 
the first SYRIZA ANEL government promised them their jobs back and a 
dubious legal process begun...
Now, on the 3rd memorandum times, 14 strikers, most of them were the 
presidents of their unions' general assemblies which decided for the 
strike of 2013, are been prosecuted for not obeying the court's order.


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Re: [Marxism] Greek (and international) shipping industy

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On 10/08/2015 12:53 μμ, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:


   Is this Statute 27/75 available anywhere in English or another more 
frequently spoken language than Greek?

   BTW, Article 3 of the same constitution ( 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Greece#Article_3 )


is even more astonishing as it gives certain religious beliefs 
constitutional backing, thus taking away religions freedom,



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1. I am afraid I can't find any translation of 27/1975. You can find it 
 in .. greek here: http://www.nee.gr/downloads/265N27-1975.pdf


Comments on that law are here: 
http://greeklawdigest.gr/topics/transportation/item/73-taxation-of-ships
and here: 
http://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Energy-and-Resources/dttl-ER-Shipping-Tax-Guide-6countries.pdf 


though I have not compared them with the law itself.

This Law regulates definitely everything about shipowners' taxation. In 
its second article states that no further tax obligation may be imposed 
in the future. And this has been the case since then, as only tax 
relaxations have been approved by the legislation according to the needs 
of the evolution of the shipping capital (There are at least 57 of 
them). The last major one in 2013 imposes a tax of only 10% on the 
distributed shares to physical persons/shipowners (not companies), 
whether they are profits solely from shipping companies or ,in part, 
from any other kind of business.
To tax the shipowners beyond 27/1975 is unconstitutional in Greece. Even 
to change that law, there must be a constitutional reform as 27/1975 is 
explicitly linked with the constitution! Of course the legal restriction 
is a matter of the class struggle level, but nevertheless it indicates 
the profound subordination of the state to the shipping capital.


2. The article 3 of the greek constitution is another deplorable one. 
And on top of this, nobody in Greek can officially have (let alone 
built) a religious place, any kind of church or temple, without the 
local bishop's permission.
On the contrary, some rich people with (the indispensable) connections 
to a bishop, were able to build (even pharaonic) villas as secondary 
auxiliary buildings of a small private chapel, in areas where building 
was totally prohibited by the city planning commission. It was the local 
bishop's and not the city planning commission's responsibility to permit 
or not the construction of a chapel!


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Re: [Marxism] Syriza government deepens alliance with Israeli military

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On 06/08/2015 05:01 μμ, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:

I think it would be interesting to compare, chronologically, Syriza's turn
toward Israel with its turn toward betraying some of its economic policy.



I am afraid it is more deep than that.
Back in August 2012 Shimon Peres had visited Greece. He did not fail to 
pay a visit at SYRIZA's headquarters:


http://www.kis.gr/en/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=447:shimon-peres-state-visit-to-greececatid=12:2009Itemid=41

http://www.timesofisrael.com/shimon-peres-in-greece-for-three-day-visit/

Surprisingly, Syriza has made no declarations in the press concerning 
the meeting. The official party's silence had raised a controversy. 
Journalists were asking around. The Syriza's reaction was some 
apologetic articles in the party's newspaper.
In this sense Rena Dourou, now the regional governor of Attica, had 
wrote two newspaper articles one in to ethnos and another in Avgi 
SYRIZA's official newspaper, praising Peres who has over the years 
expressed the left version of the Israeli political stage and 
estimating that today, the relations of Israelis and Palestinians are 
in a dead point. In favour of whom? Certainly in favour of the 
extremists on both sides


https://ecoleft.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%AE%CE%BB-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%88%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BE%CF%85%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%8D/#more-20768

This had a serious impact on Syriza. Tasos kourakis, now the education 
deputy minister, among others, had then declared as of the meeting 
Peres-Tsipras:  That will be our future policy? No, I am not 
interesting in that kind of responsible diplomacy, which tomorrow will 
be our foreign policy


iskra.gr, the site of left platform had even republished from to 
ethnos an almost polemic article by G. Delastic an ANTARSYA journalist 
although with a modest neutrality disclaimer


http://www.iskra.gr/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=9108:delastik-tsipras-perescatid=81:kivernisiItemid=198

Obviously by now, almost three years later, they all have changed their 
minds. Nobody in Syriza has raised that kind of issue, not even after 
the referendum during the internal struggle. Apparently they agree with 
Kamenos and the bourgeoisie that foreign policy is a very serious matter 
to be left in the hands of a non right-wing government.


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[Marxism] Greece: the trial of the arrested in July 15th

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More details about the trial of the arrested on leftvoice 
http://www.leftvoice.org/Greece-A-scandalous-trial-targeting-left-wing-activists


Yesterday in an interview to the SYRIZA's radio stokokkkino Tsipras 
alluded to 15 agents provocateurs agents of some foreign power's 
intelligence services arrested by the police during its assault against 
the protesters on July 15.


In fact there were 6-7 foreigners among the arrested. They were just 
tourists unlucky enough to be found in the wrong place at the wrong 
moment. They alerted their embassies and were liberated with no charges.


Claiming that there were no protesters demonstrating on July 15 but 
spies and agents of foreign powers, indicates his moral and political 
uneasy, to say the least, position.

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Re: [Marxism] Greece: the trial of the arrested in July 15th

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On 30/07/2015 05:57 μμ, Louis Proyect wrote:



On 7/30/15 10:45 AM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote:


More details about the trial of the arrested on leftvoice
http://www.leftvoice.org/Greece-A-scandalous-trial-targeting-left-wing-activists



Yesterday in an interview to the SYRIZA's radio stokokkkino Tsipras


I am absolutely for releasing those arrested but this article strains
credulity since I just can't picture cops asking such questions:

It is a very well known cop's attitude to ask questions while beating 
their victims pretending that it is precisely because of their answers 
that they reserve been beaten. And it is under our beloved left 
government that, surprisingly may it be, such things may occur. The cops 
have been also heard saying each other it's since 2012 that we hadn't 
that fun. To be sure, i have definitely checked it out in my 
dictionary, they call it torture.


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Re: [Marxism] Alexis Tsipras Transforms Himself as He Sells Greek Bailout Terms

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On 22/07/2015 03:31 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

On television recently, Mr. Tsipras said that some pension changes would
have been necessary with or without the demands of the country’s
creditors.

“I do not think that it is progressive political policy to send someone
into retirement at 45 or 50,” he said.


What disgusting bullshit. When you lose a job in Greece at the age of 45
or 50, it is PERMANENT. The pension becomes the only source of income
not only for the unemployed adult but for an entire family. The pensions
have been cut by 50 percent typically so German demands to cut them even
more have consequences of deepening the misery of such families. Tsipras
is only repeating the talking points of the WSJ editorial page.


It is also a huge hypocrisy. There are two big categories among these 
young pensioners in Greece. The first, and by far the largest, comes 
from the repressive apparatus of the state, military and police, a kind 
of reward for their services and loyalty to the bourgeoisie, while the 
second are the privatization victims.
The state enterprises like OTE (telecommunications) had to be delivered 
to their private new owners without the burden of the relatively high 
wages of the their syndicated employees. So, instead of fire them and 
push their unions to war, they had been offered a premature retirement, 
thus transferring the burden of their wages to the seller, namely the 
state. Leaving aside the fact that the state assets have been given away 
for nothing if not in loss, the state, by its turn, tries now through 
the memoranda dictations to transfer once again that burden to the 
retirement funds, that is to the retirees, cutting off its own financial 
contribution to the funds.


And it is a moral degeneration for any politician, leave alone left 
politician, to treat those retirees, the very victims of austerity 
policies, as crooks, as if they themselves had attributed their own 
pensions.


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[Marxism] Interview

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This is an interview of the two members of OKDE-Spartakos awaiting for 
their trial next Wednesday (in French)

http://www.npa2009.org/actualite/interview-des-deux-militants-arretes-par-la-police-en-grece

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[Marxism] Solidarity

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This is an appeal for international solidarity for the arrested 
militants. More at http://www.okde.org/~okde8395/index.php/en/


and at https://www.facebook.com/groups/47967013576/

SEND MESSAGES OF SUPPORT TO THE GREEK ANTI-AUSTERITY PROTESTERS
as you know Greece has been for the last 5 years in the forefront of the 
class struggle due to the unprecedented neoliberal attack on the working 
class.
Recently, the left reformist party of SYRIZA capitulated to the European 
capital despite the resistance of the working class.
This capitulation has been met with a new wave of protests and 
resistance on behalf of the anti-capitalist left and the genuine 
revolutionary forces of the left.
On Wednesday in Syndagma Square the SYRIZA riot police attacked our 
block and arrested two of our comrades of OKDE-Spartakos (Greek section 
of the 4th International) and of Antarsya along with 13 others.

All of them have been badly beaten while in police custody.
They are awaiting trail on 22nd July under false charges.
We have waged a worldwide campaign collecting signatures of academics 
and trade unionists in support of our comrades (both of them trade 
unionists, one of them the president of the union of bookshop workers) 
to present them in court. Your support is vital to save these militants 
from being in jail.
Please forward your name, surname and affiliation to Gianna Katsiampoura 
: https://www.facebook.com/gianna.katsiampoura  if you want to support 
this campaign


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Re: [Marxism] Greece: Donald Tusk warns of extremist political contagion

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On 17/07/2015 03:55 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

[Donald Tusk warns of extremist political contagion]   “I can feel, maybe not a 
revolutionary mood, but something like
widespread impatience. When impatience becomes not an individual but a
social experience of feeling, this is the introduction for revolutions.”


Donald Tusk may have no such fear. As demonstrated in this list 
revolutions are just impossible for technical reasons (lack of 
appropriate software etc)


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Re: [Marxism] Polls that challenge the mantra that most Greeks want to stay in the Eurozone

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On 14/07/2015 04:39 μμ, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:


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The fact of the matter is that Greek workers ARE watching to see who is
supporting them. I've seen the same thing in solidarity work around the
MENA region and elsewhere: activists in the country concerned always report
on encouraging conversations they have with workers after showing them even
just selfies from around the world supporting their cause.
There are now 2 or 3 dozen cities around the world holding support rallies
tomorrow for the Greek general strike and for a continued Oxi, and the
Panitches are hurting that effort.

That's right! It's time for action. An #occupygermanembassy would be 
just fine


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Re: [Marxism] on Greece debate

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On 11/07/2015 12:46 μμ, Anthony Hartin via Marxism wrote:
 If the Left platform doesnt have the weight to turn

around the party then its time to gather up as many of the far left
forces as possible and look outside

While the left platform as a whole is totally unable to do so, it is 
quite probable for some of its personalities minorities and in 
particular for DEA. In that case, as usually, there will be fewer 
leaving than they had entered, and this, on top of the 3 splits to the 
right they have already suffered inside SYRIZA. Not a positive balance 
after all and it is to be seen whether they can find the courage to 
search for what went wrong about. New splits may occur during this 
painful task and that is no good news for the greek revolutionary left


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Re: [Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?

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On 11/07/2015 09:51 πμ, Anthony Hartin via Marxism wrote:


The Left platform has effectively split but whether it stays to try and
overthrow the centrists, or it looks to make a new formation with
Anatarsya - the heart of the street movement (I have no hope for the
KKE) remains to be seen


Yet it is a pitiable harvest for the comrades of the revolutionary left 
inside Syriza. DEA, for example, has spent 15 years inside SYRIZA to 
obtain just two negative votes against a (parliamentary) Coup d'état 
which transformed the 61,3% of the working class NO to a parliamentary 
majority of 88,7% in favor of YES on the same question. The irony of the 
history is that the SYRIZA government is about to be the first so far 
left government to fall because of its OWN Coup d'état!


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Re: [Marxism] Richard Seymour on the 'defeat of Syriza'

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On 11/07/2015 08:58 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:



So what kind of party do we need? One that proclaims the need for
rupture? Such a party exists. Actually two of them exist: KKE and
Antarsya. But the support for them is negligible. The fact that only 5
percent of those voting no in the referendum expected that if such a
vote it would lead to a Grexit, either bourgeois or proletarian, is
something that the left has to grapple with. Indeed, the highest
preference according to party lines for leaving the eurozone is from
ANEL and Golden Dawn. Only 5 percent of Syriza voters expressed a desire
to leave the eurozone. Maybe the Greeks should consider Brecht's advice:
the government should dissolve the people and elect another.

On 7/11/15 1:37 PM, Thomas via Marxism wrote:

The naked about face of the Syriza regime is also a huge step forward
towards killing illusions that leftish reformist parties like Syriza,
or Podemos, have anything to offer Europe’s working classes, other
than more misery and disaster, and the political neutering of
tendencies who choose to walk into those swamps.

That is an important clarification. Hopefully, lesson learned.

T


The facts are stubborn things.
The referendum took place under these concrete conditions the week 
before 5th July:
1. The government which had call for a no vote was clear only to its 
ambivalence: They were begging the troika for a deal in order to call 
off the referendum and only after its refuse on Thursday did the 
referendum became certain, while the majority of SYRIZA's cadres and 
ministers had disappeared from the media, had made no declarations in 
favour of the no vote while some of them, like Mardas, had appeared only 
to declare that they would resign if greece would leave eurozone.


2. The banks were closed and the 1st of July was the pay day for a lot 
of people including pensioners. Keep in mind that pensioners support 
their unemployed children out of their miserable pensions. There are 
many households which have no other income than the pension of the 
grandfather or grandmother.


3. The whole EU's political personnel and the greek bourgeois parties 
were chanting in every possible tone that the question of the referendum 
was fake and that it was about leaving or not Eurozone and EU, while 
SYRIZA just pretending to claim that it was about a no more existent 
troika's proposition.


4. The whole media system including the public broadcaster ERT, which 
SYRIZA reopened, were threatening the public with the supposedly 
horrific consequences of the NO vote. There will be no wages, no 
pensions. There will be no food nor medicines. There will be no oil and 
nothing wouldn't be imported. That's what they had been yielding during 
the week before 5th July.


5. The political forces which were consistently calling for a NO to 
austerity had won less than one per cent of support last January, while 
KKE was calling to a invalid vote.


6. In the middle of all this mess, the greek working class voted for NO 
at a percentage of 70-80%, resulting to an overall of 61,3% for the NO 
vote.The question of the referendum had been set by the class enemy and 
the answer was a clear no to austerity whatever it takes. And in that 
context whatever meant including grexit.


Now, how on earth a couple of questions in a gallop like
a. For whom did you vote on January?
b. Would you expressed a desire for a grexit? (A slight impulse perhaps?)
and the supposed answers to these questions by a couple of hundreds of 
people, could reveal a truth that was not clear enough by the NO vote?
How on earth a gallop can be taken seriously against the 61,3% of the NO 
vote, against a majority, especially in an unfavourable bourgeois 
ballot, who have answer YES to the question do you reject austerity 
even if you risk a grexit?


Yes. The facts are stubborn things. Even in front of fake facts like 
that gallop however accommodative it can be. After all however 
inefficient may be the parties that proclaim the need of the rupture 
they are not to be blamed for the bankruptcy of SYRIZA! Maybe they are 
not good enough, but for sure, a party like SYRIZA is not either. 
Checked out.


JA





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Re: [Marxism] Facing bad choices, in or out of the euro, Greece needs our solidarity

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On 10/07/2015 05:57 πμ, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism wrote:


Excuse me, but NO ONE at the Troika forced Syriza to organize a
referendum.  Tsipras and Co. chose that, and now have chosen to ignore the
results of the referendum in favor of the Troika's demands.

How is that not treachery?


Allende's policy wasn't a treachery? Yet he saved the honor of the left 
by his resistance till the end. Isn't it strange that the political 
forces in Chile of 1973 who had foreseen the disaster and were 
advocating for the masses to be mobilized and the Cordones 
Industriales to take action etc are now widely forgotten, and often 
ruthlessly criticized inside the revolutionary left, while the traitor 
is a symbol of resistance internationally?


The word treachery and the likes are good for agitation but not so good 
for propaganda and even less for politics. Politics is not a question of 
moral nor of ethics; it's about class struggle and correlation of forces.


On the other hand Tsipras was clear from the beginning: His government 
was declared to be a national salvation government. The promises to the 
proletariat were supposed to be the outcome of a fair class 
collaboration and were conditioned by that collaboration as long as the 
bourgeoisie had to be also satisfied. You like it or not, that was 
Tsipras' game. Of course the greek working class and its other political 
forces were and are playing a variety of different games, but that does 
not regard Tsipras' intentions.  Conclusion: speaking of treachery is 
not even technically correct.


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[Marxism] [UCE] Re: another Antarsya view on post-referendum Greece; Paul Mason on establishment referendum repression

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[My understanding is that the views of the FI are not necessarily
strictly those of its member organization in Greece, OKDE-Spartakos
which is part of Antarsya, partly because the FI maintains a friendly
working relationship with the ISO of the U.S. which is connected with
the DEA (Internationalist Workers Left) which is part of the Red
Network and the Left Platform within Syriza. dayne]

There is a certain tension between OKDE-Spartakos and the FI. It looks 
like as if the FI had more in common with Kokkino, and after their 
fusion, with DEA (an observer organization) than with its own section 
namely OKDE-Spartakos.
Back in 2012 there had been an open disagreement between the two: 
http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article2643


BUT.
What is noteworthy about this last statement of the FI is that this passage:

the European Union and its institutions are not a neutral space or 
framework. They are political constructions, organized by the 
capitalists in order to escape from any popular control in the 
implementation of their interests. This construction will not be 
reformed. It is illusory to seek to conduct an alternative policy while 
accepting the sovereignty of these autocratic institutions.


can be hardly match with this one, from the same statement:

The success of the no is obviously presented outside of Greece as a 
no to Europe in order to obscure in the eyes of the people of Europe 
its political significance: it is a “no” to austerity policies.


which on the contrary is closer to this one from the common statement of 
the greek political leaders council on last Tuesday:


The recent vote of the Greek people in the referendum does not 
constitute a mandate to break away from the Euro zone, but a mandate to 
continue and strengthen the effort for attaining a socially just and 
economically viable agreement



Given that
1. The bourgeois parties together with the EU apparatus were, for a 
whole week, telling, shouting, yielding to us, that 'Yes meant yes to 
Europe(EU) while 'NO meant no to both the EU and the Euro


2.  The question of the referendum was technically out of place and 
time: we were to say yes or no to a no more existing proposition. The 
government tried without success to claim that that was the case, but
it was clear for all on this planet that it was not about a proposition 
and not just about austerity.


it is nonsense to reduce the no vote just to a no to austerity or else 
the yes vote must be taken to mean yes to austerity!


It is clear to me that the greek working class (AND the greek petite 
bourgeoisie with it) have picked the glove up and said no to austerity 
whatever it takes, even a grexit from the euro and EU.
And of course the yes vote must be taken to mean yes to EU and Euro 
whatever it takes, including austerity, reduced sovereignty,the 
downgrading of greek capitalism etc. That makes sense.


Yet it this implicit ambivalence of the no vote towards EU that made 
possible its interpretation as an unconditional yes to EU, by the 
government and the political leaders council without a revolt.


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Re: [Marxism] Badiou on Greece

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On 10/07/2015 12:49 πμ, Ralph Johansen via Marxism wrote:

...  coma dépassé...

is not an Irreversible coma but a

 prolonged coma

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[Marxism] This NO is only the begining

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OKDE - Spartakos on the referndum:
http://www.okde.org/index.php/en/announcement/83-uncategoried1/252-this-no-was-only-the-beginning

Savvas Michael GS of EEK (Workers Revolutionary Party) on the referendum
http://forum.permanent-revolution.org/2015/07/the-battle-for-referendum-in-greece_5.html

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Re: [Marxism] The Greek working class overwhelmingly rejects austerity

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On 06/07/2015 08:56 πμ, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism wrote:

All along, Tzipras' offer of concessions was a bluff.  He
knew that the Troika would reject them, so he 'offered' them knowing that
the Troika's arrogant rejection of them would galvanize the Greek
electorate into giving him a majority


Too speculative per se. Yet facts are very stubborn and this 
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/01/news/economy/greece-prime-minister-letter-bailout-concessions/ 


does not look like three dimensional chess. You can not bluff with no cards.
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Re: [Marxism] The Greek working class overwhelmingly rejects austerity

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On 06/07/2015 10:53 πμ, Lüko Willms wrote:

on Montag, 6. Juli 2015 at 02:07, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote:

* And we in ANTARSYA had the right thing to say. It was us who have

something to say about the next day.


* and what did you say?

  I just don't know.

  How do you think to mobilize the 25% unemployed back into productive
activity, really taking their destiny in their working hands?



Cheers,
Lüko Willms


Well it was not a legislative election and the point of gravity was not 
on your question. Of course you can find Antarsya's positions summed up 
 at: http://antarsya.gr/node/2867
and this article 
http://rs21.org.uk/2015/01/21/greek-elections-the-strategic-challenges-for-the-left/ 
by P Sotiris of ARAN, ANTARSYA's right wing.

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The proletariat won a victory today in greece.
In spite of the terror crusade of the bourgeois parties and EU officials
In spite of Syriza's ambivalence about the referendum: till Wednesday it 
was unclear whether the referendum was to take place or not.
In spite of Tsipras letter to the troika begging for any compromise and 
the declarations of retreat by top government officials, talking again 
about a deal as soon as in 48 hours after the referendum!


The level of the greek working class was too high for the referendum. 
The victory was visible in the streets: Working class people were asking 
for more NO leaflets for their friends.
I had phone calls at home from people i just knew who were asking 
questions about the no vote. It is the first time in my militant life 
since 1977 that the masses were looking for me to hear my opinion and 
not me for them.


And we in ANTARSYA had the right thing to say. It was us who have 
something to say about the next day. People were asking us because 
nobody could take seriously syriza's bullshit about restarting the 
negotiations. We were the only political force speaking out a clear no 
to memoranda, whether right wind or left wing here and now. No,  till 
the end was our banner and that is the meaning of the vote


It is now clear enough that Tsipras wanted a stalemate result, a shy no 
vote to struggle for its government's survival. And that he had dared 
call for a referendum because of the hesitation and ambivalence of the 
greek bourgeoisie who refused to sacrifice capital (in tourism and 
pharmaceutics industry and, above all, in shipping industry) refused to 
see itself slipping down in the imperialist chain.

But OXI, no got a 61,3% of the vote and that had already a seismic effect.
Samaras resigned from his party's presidency. He could not even wait 
until the election of a new leader.
KKE has lost at least two thirds of his January votes. Many of its 
members and cadres were overtly for the no vote. This is more than 
crossing the Rubicon for a Stalinist CP.
The government is steping  aside, hiding itself behind the bourgeois 
parties.Late this night Tsipras declared that he will ask president 
Pavlopoulos to convene the council of the political leaders which will 
decide about the eventual negotiations. Decide with whom? With ND's 
transitional president since Samaras resigned. With the lords of terror, 
the bourgeois leaders who for a whole week were repeating Armageddon 
in every single phrase, who till yesterday were chanting that voting NO 
means NO to EU and euro and today have no shame to declare that after 
all, the NO vote of the people does NOT at all mean a rejection of the 
EU and euro.


The class struggle is getting really acute here, and this is not a third 
world country...


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Re: [Marxism] The Referendum

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On 03/07/2015 12:19 μμ, Dayne Goodwin wrote:

Thanks JA, i think this is very good, good on politics of referendum,
good on politics of KKE.

and at their site, they have video evidence for the assertion about
size of Monday rally.

The only other material on their site that i readily found in English
was on Ukraine.  Can't say i was impressed with that...
Dayne



Well, i should have made a warning not to read their position on 
Ukraine! It's really pitiable! Yet, they occasionally take correct 
positions, along with their unsupportable voluntarism.

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[Marxism] The Referendum

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This is Communist Revolutionary Action an ex-Syriza group:

The declaration of the referendum puts an end – once and for all – to 
all the illusions about the “national negotiations” and all the myths 
about “the Greeks who join forces when faced with hostile foreign 
forces”. It has now been proven that the ruling class together with its 
courtyard is not willing to leave the national affairs at the hands of 
Tsipras – or anyone who may undermine its international relationships.


full at: 
https://avantgarde2009.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/no-to-the-cancellation-of-the-referendum-no-until-the-end-proletarian-defence-against-the-bourgeois-sabotage/


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek Diaries » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

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Tariq Ali:[..] Melenchon [was]

arguing against Syriza defaulting because it would hurt FRENCH banks. I
had heard that Melenchon was in a state of degeneration but hadn’t
realised that the political cancer had affected his brain. The sooner
this imbecile is replaced by his group, the better


In general, treating a reformist leader as just insane person is nothing 
but an explicit acknowledgment of one's own incapacity or unwillingness 
to explain away the concrete political position that that leader takes. 
It consists nevertheless extreme hypocrisy in the case of the Left Front 
and Tariq Ali. Instead of recalling chatters and rumors Ali, should had 
taken a look at the Left Front's political documents. It might then had 
turned out that the whole LF was in a state of degeneration only a 
political one and that, actually, there is no one clever enough inside 
LF to replace this imbecile.
Yet, if NPA's decision to steer clear of Melenchon's Left Front was 
[not] unwise , it may occur that, given that the referendum maneuver, 
whether it is to take place or not, is a kind of a la cart and on demand 
intervention of the working class in high politics, it would not be 
less wise for someone to steer clear of Syriza and the subsequent 
confinement into a parliamentary cretinism after all.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek PM Alexis Tsipras faces partner's departure should he agree to EU terms over Greek debt crisis - People - News - The Independent

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On 18/06/2015 03:33 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/greek-pm-alexis-tsipras-faces-partners-departure-should-he-agree-to-eu-terms-over-greek-debt-crisis-10327912.html

 Le Canard Enchaîné, as its name suggests, is calling for events (and 
ducks) to show up  emitting conspiracy theories from a bedroom. 
Obviously F. Hollande is the right person to be  quoted. The bedroom as 
public space or vice versa ?  Maybe David Harvey should examine it.


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Re: [Marxism] Reform Is Not in Syriza’s Nature

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On 10/06/2015 03:31 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:



(Alex Callinicos should get in touch with the author of this op-ed piece
to wise him up.)

WSJ, June 10 2015
OPINION  COMMENTARY
Reform Is Not in Syriza’s Nature
Asking Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to liberalize Greece would be like
asking David Cameron to collectivize Britain.
By TAKIS MICHAS




Mr. Michas is a political analyst for the website protagon.gr.


Takis Michas has been for the last 30 years a proponent of extreme 
neoliberalism, a kind of neoliberal fundamentalist. He has since the 
80's publicly wrote uncountable bullshit of monumental dimensions. To 
mention just one of them, in his Why not national-socialists? 
(2013)(http://www.protagon.gr/?i=protagon.el.articleid=26057) he claims 
that the  greek national-Bolshevist (his own word) left, have 
maliciously characterized golden dawn as nazi instead of 
national-socialists in order to hide its apparent ideological affinity 
to it, as it is clearly indicated by their common reference to 
socialism. No one can tell the difference between Golden Dawn's 
socialism and SYRIZA's or KKE's socialism, he exclaims!


Getting in touch with Michas, can hardly wise anyone up ...

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Re: [Marxism] Same-sex marriage referendum: working class and young people carried the day

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In Ireland, as elsewhere, there is a snooty liberal middle class layer who
believe that the working class are the font of backward prejudices: sexism,
racism, anti-gay bigotry etc.

The referendum in the south of Ireland showed something quite different,
however.  The strongest 'yes' votes were in big, hardcore proletarian areas.



In 1972 Pierre Bourdieu wrote on the subject in The Public Opinion does 
not Exist:


Deuxième principe à partir duquel les gens peuvent produire une opinion, 
ce que j'appelle l'« ethos de classe » (pour ne pas dire « éthique de 
classe »), c'est-à-dire un système de valeurs implicites que les gens 
ont intériorisées depuis l'enfance et à partir duquel ils engendrent des 
réponses à des problèmes extrêmement différents. [...]


Une foule de réponses qui sont considérées comme des réponses 
politiques, sont en réalité produites à partir de l'ethos de classe et 
du même coup peuvent revêtir une signification tout à fait différente 
quand elles sont interprétées sur le terrain politique. Là, je dois 
faire référence à une tradition sociologique, répandue surtout parmi 
certains sociologues de la politique aux États-Unis, qui parlent très 
communément d'un conservatisme et d'un autoritarisme des classes 
populaires. [...]


Supposons un ensemble de questions du type suivant : Êtes-vous favorable 
à l'égalité entre les sexes ? Êtes-vous favorable à la liberté sexuelle 
des conjoints ? Êtes-vous favorable à une éducation non répressive ? 
Êtes-vous favorable à la nouvelle société ? etc. Supposons un autre 
ensemble de questions du type : Est-ce que les professeurs doivent faire 
la grève lorsque leur situation est menacée?  Les enseignants 
doivent-ils être solidaires avec les autres fonctionnaires dans les 
périodes de conflit social ? etc. [...]



full:http://www.homme-moderne.org/societe/socio/bourdieu/questions/opinionpub.html

If Bourdieu's analysis holds, then maybe the Irish working class saw a 
political stake rather than an ethical issue in that referendum. But 
maybe i am just too optimist...


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Re: [Marxism] Victory in Ireland

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On 24/05/2015 12:52 μμ, Stuart Munckton via Marxism wrote:



My assumption is this is a big defeat for the Church and a symbol and
marker of how much influence it has lost, no doubt in no small part due to
its recurring severe scandals, as well as shifting social views putting it
at odds with younger generation.

I'd be interested to see if this has a flow on in terms of the much more
controversial issue in Ireland of a woman's right to choose, where the laws
remain horrific.

The church (any of them) is surely at odds with the younger people and 
although this has been the case for many decades, the fact that a public 
discussion is nowadays much more easier than,say, 30 years ago 
constitutes a qualitative change to the detriment of the church.


As a result the bourgeois states can not any more defend a direct link 
with the church and are all the more reluctant to assume the 
responsibility for it, although the church was and largely remains an 
effective ideological mechanism. Thus they promote movements like 
neoliberal atheism on the social sphere along with a separation on the 
legislative sphere: they tent to let the church carry on its usual dirty 
job alone and deprived from any constitutional role it used to have in 
practice on birth, marriage and death.


Now what happened in the political sphere (the referendum result) is not 
so much a defeat of the church from a progressive shift of social views, 
but rather a more subtle adaptation of the real subsumtion of the 
church (and religion) to the capital, and that's why in this Irish 
referendum the answer to its second question was reactionary.


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Re: [Marxism] Greek Student's election

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On 23/05/2015 04:52 πμ, Michael Karadjis wrote:

Interesting that Syriza ahs such low support on the campuses (less than
Pasok!). Though if we add together Syriza and Antarsya we're looking at
Syriza and Antarsya and other non-KKE left, it's around a quarter of the
vote. Any comments Ioannis on why Syriza is so weak on campuses?


The students movement used to play a significant role in greek politics 
back in the 70's and 80's because of its radicalization and the aureole 
of Polytechnic insurrection of 1973 ; suffice to say that New Democracy 
was then hardly present in elections. With the neoliberal turn of 90's 
the students movement began moving to the right and declining, yet 
student elections still make big titles in the newspapers.


Though i have not a first hand understanding of what is going on in 
campuses, for me, the interesting thing in those results is the PASP 
phenomenon, which, like the bad guy in the final scene of some Hollywood 
movies, just refuse to die!
Pasp used to have a dominant position for about 30 years in the campuses 
and they have established multiple client relations some of them are 
still at work, according to the youth of the FI's 
OKDE-Spartacos.(http://okde-youth.blogspot.gr/2015/05/blog-post.html)
They report the same thing about DAP(ND): DAP, they say, has an 
competent electoral mechanism,  distributes class notes for the exams, 
organizes parties and socializes the students, maintains client relations.


They fail to mention, that all these could have never occurred without 
the neoliberal exclusive university; the more anxious about their 
future, the more responsive to client practices the students are. But it 
is also the left to blame about.


The left wing organizations refuse of course to play that game of DAP 
and PASK. Yet they all have electoral gains. But given the gigantic 38% 
of DAP (while ND is on 15%) there is not much to expect.


But there is a further explanation for AREN's admittedly poor 
percentage, which, more generally, holds for the whole SYRIZA. During 
these few last memorandum years, since 2012, they were absent or 
restrained in the movements. SYRIZA's tactic favored moderate protests, 
if that was inevitable, but certainly not strikes, not confrontation, 
not vindications, that could allegedly disturb the electorate maturation 
as to concede parliamentary majority to the left. In line with that, as 
OKDE-Spartacos youth put it, AREN has abstained of any militant 
attitude in the campuses while unable to rally anyone moving in the 
interstices, supporting, even temporary, the [SYRIZA's] government.


It was AREN's  pathetic attitude that not only facilitated the corrosive 
tactic of DAP and PASP, but also made themselves look unreliable in the 
campuses, to the extend that they could not even pick their own 
government's supporters up!
On top of that, it was not only AREN who had such a pathetic 
attitude.The PKS(KKE) had the same attitude, but for a different reason. 
They wanted no confrontations, no students victories because they were 
afraid that THE MAIN ENEMY, namely SYRIZA, would be electorally 
favored, outgoing KKE! Pure third period, butter on DAP's bread.


Finally, the embarrassment of the students movement (along with the 
working class movement) including EAAK (and ANTARSYA) since January 
25th, has yet favored DAP's client politics. As long as students are 
just waiting for a legislative initiative by the government it is time 
for them to concentrate on exams and on DAP's helpful class notes.


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Re: [Marxism] Socialist revolution in Greece–easy to say, harder to do

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On 22/05/2015 09:13 μμ, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:


The leftists among Syriza's top leadership are increasingly saying that
only some form of grexit and/or default is necessary, which in turn makes
capital controls and/or nationalization of banks etc. necessary.

Which is not to say they have illusions in the ability of Greece to build
socialism in one country. That's why they stress the need for solidarity
from the rest of Europe - solidarity which must mean similar measures taken
by other countries' workers or Greece's own experiment will die.

Obviously they do not have that kind of illusions. The illusions they do 
have are  about this initial step of grexit etc. Not any grexit is in 
the interests of the working class.

For a grexit may very well occur as a bourgeois emergency plan.
Syriza government may fall either because its left wing is driven to 
split or because of an insurrection against a third memorandum. But then 
what, for the bourgeoisie?
There is no alternative to form a government, as the greek party system 
lays in ruins: Pasok is around the parliamentary threshold of 3% and New 
Democracy on 15%. If not SYRIZA then who?
A grexit under a national unity government would then be after all, 
though not desirable, a plausible solution.


Thus the crucial thing is whether grexit will take place under the 
organized working class control or not. Those SYRIZA leftists understand 
a grexit from above; as a government's move and, in practice, they have 
lost from sight the sine qua non of the working class self organization. 
The first illusion they do have is that the government (of a concrete 
bourgeois state) is something like an All Greece Soviet which calls 
the workers for rallies to support (its own) decisions they have never 
made.
And the second illusion they do have is that SYRIZA's leadership, which 
controls the government, has this very same illusion about itself.
That it could be possible for the government not to capitulate  without 
the working class tutelage, as just the result of some clever maneuvers 
inside the party .


And, yes, a grexit under working class control needs any available 
solidarity and yet is nevertheless likely to die, but that has been 
always the case. Isn't it? Thus it is one thing to take an admittedly 
risky step in the interests of the working class and another to second a 
bourgeois plan.


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The results of the students' unions yearly election
participation 61233  60%  (-2134)

DIFFERENCE from 2014
DAP (NEW DEMOCRACY) 37.95%  -0.22%
PKS (KKE)   19.62%  1.06%
EAAK(ANTARSYA)  14.35%  0.23%
PASP (PASOK)10.22%  -3.67%
AREN (SYRIZA)   7.50%   1.00%
KKE(M-L)(maoists)   0.93%   -0.03%
OTHER RIGHT-WING2.62%   1.11%
OTHER LEFT-WING 2.08%   0.38%
OTHER   2.57%   -0.07%
WHITE VOTE  2.16%   0.21%

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Re: [Marxism] SYRIZA: internal debate, discussion on Euro, need solidarity; IMT supporters w/in Syriza circulate petition

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On 21/05/2015 10:15 πμ, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:

Interview: Antonis Davanellos
SYRIZA faces a decisive test
Socialist Worker, U.S., May 20
full at:http://socialistworker.org/2015/05/20/syriza-faces-a-decisive-test


It is a matter of fact that SYRIZA's left wing opposes to the imminent 
third left memorandum. And it had clearly declare it, but:
1. The dogma the party is one thing, the government another they had 
invented to cover up the initial retreats of the government, is now 
turned against them, as it forms the main argument of the narrow leading 
group around Tsipras, in order to put the party aside.


2. They, the left-wing dissidents, have already said enough about the 
party's paralysis and described clearly a situation where the secret 
diplomacy rules the people out of the equation, BUT, while the left 
current from synaspismos, the ex-maoists of KOE and the DEA  Co have 
respectively 25, 5 and 2 voices in the greek parliament, they say 
nothing on the crucial question: **Will they vote for or against the 
upcoming third memorandum as they describe it?**


For the real dilemma they are in, is either they split and give up their 
political project and efforts of almost two decades, or they preserve 
the unity of a new SYRIZA in the form of a socialdemocracy party 
with a social-liberal core, as Dimitris Bellantis express it at DEA's 
site R-project under the title between the devil and the deep blue sea
(a very interesting dark article which unfortunately does not appear to 
have any translation in english: 
http://rproject.gr/article/anamesa-sto-diavolo-kai-ti-vathia-galazia-thalassa)


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Re: [Marxism] Roos, ROAR magazine: Why does Greece not simply get it over with and default?

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On 22/05/2015 12:29 πμ, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:
 that which it is supposed to prevent: a disorderly unilateral default.


The Eurogroup seems blind to the fact that Tsipras and Varoufakis are
probably the creditors’ most reliable allies in Greece today. Both are
moderate reformists with widespread popular support who are actually
willing to repay, even if they know they cannot. By forcing Syriza’s
relatively cooperative leadership into a humiliating cash-for-reforms
deal, the creditors may actually end up strengthening the hand of the
pro-default radicals inside the government. Alternatively, if they
refuse to sign a deal and continue to deprive the Greek government of
the emergency credit on which it depends to service its maturing
obligations, they may simply make default unstoppable.
.


Characterizing others blind to the facts, ignorant, that is stupid, 
means giving up any effort to explain and understand their deeds. At the 
same time, not having at all any explanation is not, admittedly, that 
brilliant!
Yet, a very good measure, of one's own stupidity, is the number of 
stupids he can count around. And Roos counts too many of them...

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Re: [Marxism] Workers move to stop Greece’s Syriza government backsliding

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On 12/05/2015 09:27 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


On 5/12/15 2:10 PM, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:

Syriza isn’t only backsliding on austerity. It is sending fighter
planes for exercises with Egypt’s counter-revolutionary president
Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.


Can anybody find verification of this in the news? I can't, not even in
Nexis.





On 28 April 2015:
The title reads Kammenos: The arc of Romania Bulgaria Greece Israel and 
Cyprus will be a barrier to jihadists

[...]
A new   Greece - Cyprus - Israel defense dogma was described by mr 
Kammenos which can be extended to the north as to include Bulgaria and 
Romania, and to the moderate countries of middle east, like Egypt, as 
well. Mr Kammenos has also announced that within the next days we are 
proceeding to a military cooperation with Egypt and in the beginning of 
June the chief of General Staff of National Defense will visit Egypt. 
I have agreed, ten days ago,  with the Egyptian president mr al-Sissi, 
the minister of defense and the Chief of Staff, that a team of the Greek 
air force flying with Mirage 2000, also in use by the Egyptian air 
force, is going to have common exercises on the first days of June he 
added, stressing that such cooperations will lead in creating a safe 
region starting from Egypt -  a country resisting to Islamic 
fundamentalism -  and Israel


Full (in greek) at: 
http://www.news4people.gr/index.php/amina/item/3732-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82-%CF%86%CF%81%CE%AC%CE%B3%CE%BC%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%B6%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%AD%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%BF-%CF%84%CF%8C%CE%BE%CE%BF-%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82,%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%AE%CE%BB,%CE%BA%CF%8D%CF%80%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BC%CE%B5-%CE%B2%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%B3%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1#sthash.r61O4IUo.dpuf


But the whole story is NOT new.
On 14 Feb 2015 the title reads a political storm in Cyprus after 
announcement of common Greek - Israeli - Egyptian exercises 
http://www.hellas-now.com/2015/02/blog-post_849.html


On this last subject, is reporting on 11 Feb 2015 To Vima an 
established Greek newspaper: 
http://www.tovima.gr/politics/article/?aid=676212


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Re: [Marxism] The politics of language

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The 11th May demonstration against the dept in Athens called by unions 
and supported by ANTARSYA. http://www.paremvasis.gr/?p=6068



A second one , organized by anarchist groups, took place as well.

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Re: [Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis It's Time for a Rupture

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On 07/05/2015 07:57 μμ, Dayne Goodwin wrote:


I hope you are not right that any efficacious popular mobilization
could ever be introduced from above is a mistaken hypothesis.  For
one thing, i hope that Syriza's relationship with 'the people' is not
experienced as simply from above.


I don't know if my poor english betrayed my thoughts but i agree that, 
although syriza has notoriously weak links with its electoral base and 
the working class, its relationship with the people is not at all to 
be summed up as from above. And of course it will never be too late 
for the people to intervene, otherwise what's the point to be Marxist?


What i argue is that when a government says repeatedly to the people 
everything is under control, there is no reason to worry about, an 
agreement with our *partners* is more than certain and imminent ... , 
this government can not make a sudden U turn, as Kouvelakis is 
suggesting,  say to this very people well you know, these guys were not 
really our partners; in fact they are bloodthirsty capitalists! Let us 
take the streets to confront them and expect a popular mobilization of 
a *complementary* and politically subjugated character, as it is meant 
to be. THAT would be an impossibility from above.


If a popular mobilization is to be expected hoped and prepared, it would 
have an  autonomous and independent from the state character and of 
course it is unpredictable what could trigger it.


What makes me skeptical about, is that there appear to be many people 
around here in greece, including antarsya as a whole and Kouvelakis  co 
inside syriza,  who do hang, one way or another, their hopes on a 
working class mobilization, but they do nothing to prepare or even 
prepare themselves about it!
Though all my references are obviously in greek, the climate i describe 
is also detectable into Kouvelakis' text. All about people's 
mobilization is just a wish, and this is the case not only for 
Kouvelakis  co inside syriza, but for the overall antarsya as well.




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Re: [Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis It's Time for a Rupture

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On 07/05/2015 01:49 πμ, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:



It’s Time for a Rupture
The fear of Greek exit from the euro should no longer cripple us.
by Stathis Kouvelakis
Jacobin magazine, May 6
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/kouvelakis-syriza-ecb-grexit



Between Kouvelakis' lines one can hear echoed St Paul's exclamation: 
dixi et salvavi animam meam.


Because although he is right saying  that
if with the February 20 agreement the lenders had agreed to “ensure 
liquidity,” if they had delinked its provision from the specific 
austerity plans they seek to impose, they would simply have deprived 
themselves of the most significant means of exerting pressure they have 
at their disposal. That Tsakalotos believed they would do this smacks of 
extreme political naivety, if not willful blindness

he suffers himself from the same illness.

That Kouvelakis believes the activation of the popular mobilization is 
always at the disposal of the government, smacks of extreme political 
naivety, if not willful blindness. And this, not only because the 
people is not some kind of matter inert to the political messages of 
retreat that government emits since February; not only because a popular 
mobilization -beyond a mere demonstration- can not take place on demand; 
not only because bourgeois parties and their EU allies will not confine 
themselves to just watching the show; not only because there has not 
been any organizational initiative to shape an eventual popular 
mobilization. There is also a  fundamentally wrong working hypothesis 
that any efficacious popular mobilization could ever be introduced from 
above...


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Re: [Marxism] Callinicos: Syriza and Tsipras exposed

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On 06/05/2015 06:47 μμ, Louis Proyect wrote:

On 5/6/15 11:17 AM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote:

If Lenin did make a compromise when a proletarian revolution was at
stake, what is at stake today for Tsipras if not the IMF and EU loans?


Actually, the fight against austerity is *the* key struggle today as
Richard Seymour pointed out in his most recent book. It is by pushing
back successfully against reforms that throw civil servants out of
work that the working class can begin to feel some confidence that
resistance is possible.


Unfortunately austerity is NOT challenged in greece; I live there and, 
if not me, certainly my wife would have known it.
The capitalists can not concede anything if  they are to survive as 
capitalists in the middle of that mess of the big capitalist crisis. 
Thus austerity IS a key struggle, but only because it would have de 
facto been part of a revolutionary process.
But bailing out the debt and running after primary surpluses equals to 
austerity.
Today,if you are to challenge austerity you are running towards a direct 
class confrontation. So, either Syriza is a revolutionary party or 
austerity remains, indeed, unchallenged.


What is really at stake is the very survival of the present government! 
They are breathing yet just because of the working class prejudices and 
illusions that they could really stop austerity (not even reverse it; 
nobody believes that) without conflicts.  If they are driven to impose 
now new wage and pension cuts, they will fall before summer, and that's 
why Tsipras is playing all his cards: No intermediate deal but a final 
one, the Cyprus exhibition of the real or supposed greek geopolitical 
advantages in Mediterranean , and the declaration of faith in 
anti-terrorism.


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Re: [Marxism] Callinicos: Syriza and Tsipras exposed

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I can understand why but then again leftist governments often make
choices dictated by necessity rather than ideology.[..]By the same token, Lenin 
sought
closer ties with the Kemalists at the very moment his cops were
murdering the leaders of the CP in Turkey.

Politics is a complicated business. If you are interested in morality, I
recommend the Sermon on the Mount and Alex Callinicos's prose.


This is not fair for Callinicos. He clearly did NOT raise any moral 
issue. He just says that when a party has so many political references 
to the victims of al-Sissi, then shaking his hand is to negate its own 
history and thus, trespassing the political boundaries that history 
determines, at least in a symbolic level.


Nor was it a *necessary* compromise. If Lenin did make a compromise when 
a proletarian revolution was at stake, what is at stake today for 
Tsipras if not the IMF and EU loans?


But despite Callinicos, this is not even a turn, at least not the first 
sign of it. In summer 2012 Shimon Peres had visited greece and had 
talks, among others, with Syriza's leadership as well. This had raised a 
controversy inside syriza to the point that Tasos Kourakis (education 
deputy minister today) had expressed his repugnance about the bloody 
repressive regime of israel and its Gaza sea hydro-carbonates quest, and 
had declared: «Well, no! I am not interesting in that kind of 
responsible diplomacy which is to be our future official international 
policy 
(http://www.dimokratianews.gr/content/9007/%C2%AB%CE%B5%CE%BC%CF%86%CF%8D%CE%BB%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82%C2%BB-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD-%CF%83%CF%85%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B6%CE%B1-%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1-%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%AE%CE%BB)


Again Callinicos is right to emphasize the hydro-carbonates, the new 
holly grail of the greek bourgeoisie, along with Tsipras voluntary 
enlistment to the antiterrorist army for obvious purposes.


I am afraid that -judging by the present Kourakis' silence- Callinicos 
is going  to be proven right again when he also estimates that 
'Historically when left governments change course and capitulate to 
capital, their left wing doesn’t rebel, although it would be a surprise 
to me if the grass root Syriza's left wing, will keep the ranks behind 
the left platform's leaders.


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[Marxism] May Day in Instambul

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Taxim square: https://youtu.be/-Dk6iMZUW3c

In Milan the government security forces are talking about an infiltrated 
(from outer space perhaps) rebellion.


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Re: [Marxism] Callinicos: Syriza’s compromise won’t beat austerity

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On 30/04/2015 08:54 πμ, MM via Marxism wrote:



On 30 Apr 2015, at 12:43 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote:


If this was just about Greece, I'd say maybe so but Callinicos positions himself in 
relationship to the governments of Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Greece as a latter-day 
Trotsky in Coyoacan. In the 1930s at least the Trotskyists had the excuse that Stalinist 
hegemony prevented them from growing into mass parties, not that this was the sole 
problem. But what exactly keeps Antarsya from becoming massive if it has the answers? 
Physician, heal thyself, Luke 4:23. 23.


I’m not defending Alex’s position, only pointing out that it’s perfectly 
consistent with continuing hostility towards Syriza from the mainstream press - 
especially given the dangers associated with a “good example” on the shores of 
Europe. That's essential to understand in order to appreciate the dilemma 
Tsipras et al face. And Alex isn’t the enemy.


The EU elite's greek program is running smoothly despite all those 
fierce left knights of erratic or steady marxists, and this reality is 
deceiving all excitement about SYRIZA. Yet it is admittedly much easier 
for Callinicos or anyone to just tell the wrong way out from the right 
way out of the horrible working class situation, even if one isn't able 
to conceive materially create the later.


Antarsya has not the answer; it is not able to build the way out; 
otherwise, in acute crisis conditions, it would have been a social 
majority. What it has, is the Greater Common Divisor of a range from 
Maoists and ex-communists to eurocommunists and trotskyists, and a GCD 
can never be THE ANSWER. Antarsya, although a big achievement of the 
greek far left, is nothing but an immature political front.


But after all, 0,65% of the vote is insignificant both for the bad and 
the good in the central political stage: Antarsya is not even present 
in the parliament while Syriza is the major partner in the government. 
If the austerity program is actually running smoothly and, more 
important, if it will continue like this, then in practice at the end of 
the day, Syriza will have just carried out all dirty job Samaras 
couldn't. And pointing to that, does not necessitate to have at any 
range THE ANSWER.


The Syriza-AneL government is falling; slowly till now, but is falling.
Whether under Tsipras or under Lenin, what it promises cannot be 
achieved. Ending austerity inside Eurozone is just impossible. The 
activists of SYRIZA are more than deceived. Even the most restrained 
among them are now ready to abandon the holly party's unity rhetoric in 
favor of an upcoming internal fight: we have lay too much and too long 
on them said a SYRIZA comrade.


On the other hand EU and IMF are working on SYRIZA. As minister 
Stratoulis said (https://youtu.be/tudIwaNH_Cg ) they are blackmailing : 
Is that negotiation tactics? he exclaimed. Of course it isn't; but why 
expect a negotiation anyway? They just pushing around syriza so that in 
every setback the gap that has been opened up by the dogma the 
government is one thing, the party another between the leadership and 
the grass root activists is deepening. Without them, SYRIZA can still 
hold its electoral support and become an electoral-machine party like 
the bourgeois parties, and this will probably be the end of the present 
coalition government. The multifold scenarios of a national unity 
government are already spoken out.


Meanwhile, and in absence of any political alternative for the greek 
bourgeoisie, and as long as the chain of setbacks goes on, the ruling 
class has nothing to fear except the next tide of working class 
resistance. Antarsya, and many among Syriza activists are supposedly 
willing, but yet far from prepared, to ride that tide. In fact they all 
appeal to that tide as a remedy to their political embarrassment.
Of course, KKE will denounce it as reactionary while the government, 
whoever it is including the present one, will try to suppress it.


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Re: [Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis: The Noose Tightens on Greece, only three options remaining

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On 25/04/2015 09:22 πμ, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:


Greece: The Noose Tightens
There are only three options remaining for the Syriza government.
by Stathis Kouvelakis
Jacobin magazine, April 24
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/syriza-eurozone-default-exit-stathis


The most telling in this article is it's style. Kouvelakis, in contrast 
with his previous interventions, describes the situation from the 
standpoint not of a leading figure of SYRIZA but of that of an 
indifferent observer. The political perspective of the epilogue sounds 
more like a wish, than active politics.


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[Marxism] Golden Dawn trial

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Golden Dawn watch is monitoring the Golden Dawn's trial which has 
begun today morning. The next session of the court is to be held on 7 
May 2015.


http://goldendawnwatch.org/?lang=en


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Re: [Marxism] Miners vs Ecologists/Syriza in northern Greece

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The local mass resistance to prevent a major ecological disaster in 
Chalkidiki peninsula, has been proven so far too hard  for eldorado 
company, despite the amble state, legislative and police support. In the 
ongoing struggle's latest turn the company organized that minrer's 
show, while the government holds an ambivalent position .  More info to 
be found at the resistance's portal: 
https://soshalkidiki.wordpress.com/category/in-english/


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Racists, Neo-Nazis, Far Right Flock to Russia for Joint Conference - BuzzFeed News

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On 23/03/2015 04:28 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
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ST. PETERSBURG
“The salvation of my generation is the great Russian people, because
Vladimir Putin understands that the rights of the majority should be put
before the whims and perversions of the minority,” Dowson said. “Obama
and America — they’re like females! They’re feminized men. You have been
blessed by a man who is a man! And we envy that.”

full:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/europes-far-right-comes-to-russia-in-search-of-shared-values


In these milieus the Third Rome myth has a functional role linked with 
conspiracy theories, the apocalyptic anti-Christ, panslavism and of 
course great-Russian imperialism. The later is apparently the myth's 
real name.


Comparing to them on this subject, the orthodox patriarch of Istanbul 
(entitled patriarch of Constantinople and New Rome himself) looks like a 
radical of the left when, defending his own reactionary ecclesiastical 
authority of course, refers to, as nationalist/racist heresy!


An applied example of the Muscovite 3rd Rome myth is a Russian TV 
documentary film criticized by Irina Papkova:


The “Third Rome” myth is simply stated: After the collapse of the 
Orthodox Byzantine Empire, the Russian Muscovite tsardom supposedly took 
over the mantle of the spiritual and political center of Orthodox 
Christianity, a burden which was seamlessly passed on to the Russian 
Empire, the Soviet Union and subsequently to the Russian Federation.



full: 
http://www.iwm.at/publications/5-junior-visiting-fellows-conferences/vol-xxiv/saving-the-third-rome/


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PS: One must read 1443 as 1453

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Re: [Marxism] Yanis Varoufakis participates in Paris-Match spread, media and banksters make the most of it

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On 21/03/2015 02:16 πμ, Ralph Johansen via Marxism wrote:



Since no one here seems to have mentioned it and it's in the news
everywhere else, here's the current entry in Troika's kitbag. Is this
gaffe indicative? Of what? Political inexperience? An insensitive
academic out of tune with constituency? What reaction and upshot within
Syriza, and for Greece, Germany? How many ways from Sunday can they (and
he) bring a guy down?



While it is a quite disgusting situation (and a point to stand and 
denounce for the left) that those right-wing imperialist media parrots 
dare criticizing SYRIZA from ... the left
and it is certainly unfair for the comrades inside SYRIZA -even in their 
Sisyphean task-  it is nevertheless pretty fair for the party as a 
whole, whose politics and not just that person, gave ground to them: The 
party has been long before turning to the right and has been shopping 
cheep from the rats who were abandoning, just in time, PASOK's ship.


The tip of the iceberg, the preference of Varoufakis over Milios, a 
newcomer from PASOK over a founding member of SYRIZA and its leadership, 
a prominent economist and head of the economical planing committee of 
the party, with a lifelong record in left-wing politics (an Althusserian 
reformist in my eyes but a serious one and certainly NOT a clown to 
expose his bedroom in public view) could not be made without political 
consequences and adjacent policy choices: Milios is definitely NOT a 
nationalist and he would have been at odds with the anti-germany 
rhetoric (and especially the reactionary nonsenses about WW2 war 
reparations) of SYRIZA in accordance to the right wingers of its 
governmental partner ANEL.


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Re: [Marxism] new Jacobin issue?

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On 18/03/2015 02:39 μμ, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:

The databases and networking of a Walmart, a V.A., a
Medicare system are more than we would need to democratically decide on
production, services, consumption, etc., with all decisions properly
articulated at the appropriate level in planning hierarchies (i.e. to
maximize combining control and input with efficiency).


You are prepared to do this as is no other country. Nowhere else has 
the study of the internal market reached such intensity as in the United 
States. It has been done by your banks, trusts, individual businessmen, 
merchants, traveling salesmen and farmers as part of their 
stock-in-trade. Your soviet government will simply abolish all trade 
secrets, will combine all the findings of these researches for 
individual profit and will transform them into a scientific system of 
economic planning. In this your government will be helped by the 
existence of a large class of cultured and critical consumers. By 
combining the nationalized key industries, your private businesses and 
democratic consumer cooperation, you will quickly develop a highly 
flexible system for serving the needs of your population.


If America Should Go Communist: 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1934/08/ame.htm

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Re: [Marxism] on Syriza: criticism of Varoufakis/Feb. 20 agreement from DEA/Left Platform

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On 15/03/2015 08:06 μμ, Dayne Goodwin wrote:

Thank you JA/Ioannis,
I appreciate the information about Panos Kosmas and the link to the IV
article about Antarsya.  I understand that Kokkino was a split from
DEA (about 2004) yet remained always within Syriza.  Do i understand
from you that when/by the time Kokkino re-united with DEA (about 2013)
much of Kokkino's membership had left to join the Tsipras majority?

Unfortunately for me, i couldn't read the Kokkino website which is in Greek.
Dayne

Last December they held their unification conference. But it was during 
the 2009 split that a group has left kokkino to join the Tsipras 
majority. Of course we are just talking about a membership of dozens and 
not hundreds. Kokkino and DEA are now running a site named the 
R-Project: Panos Kosmas is one of them.

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Re: [Marxism] on Syriza: criticism of Varoufakis/Feb. 20 agreement from DEA/Left Platform

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[the information at Socialist Worker website does not specifically say
that Kosmas is a member of Syriza, Left Platform or DEA.  a quick
search indicates that Kosmas may be a colleague of Stathis Kouvelakis
at Kings College, London]


Panos Kosmas is a member of the leadership of Syriza. He is also 
founding member of Kokkino (Red) an organization affiliated with the 4th 
International. Kokkino has suffered two splits and a big part of it was 
incorporated in the presidential majority. 
(http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3359)
Kosmas is also advocating a kind of one sided front to Western 
imperialism on the Ukraine question (http://kokkino.org/qq-q-q/)

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Re: [Marxism] Tempest in a teapot re P Gubarev

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On 04/03/2015 12:56 πμ, Roger Annis via Marxism wrote:
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Pavel Gubarev has said in an interview that in his youth in the early
2000's, he was in a Russian neo-nazi group but that his views changed
and moved to the left. He joined the Progressive Socialist party in Russia.
[...] In the same interview, he said he was not a radical nationalist 
and described himself as 'centre-left' .


RA

Leftists turning to fascism as well as petty-bourgeois nationalists 
turning to the left is a known phenomenon. But it obviously takes a lot 
more for a fascist to move to the left-wing or even center-left 
politics. Fascism, is a point of no return to humanism, let alone left 
wing politics.


In Pavel Gubarev case, his left turn would be rather a matter of faith.
Maybe Pavel Gubarev, like St Pavel's vision of Jesus, did see a vision 
of Stalin or something...
Yet Gubarev was not without company in that alleged left turn. Have we 
here a mass conversion of fascists into left wing ideas?

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[Marxism] What the industrialists think about?

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The reaction of SEV (Greek Industrialist's League), on Varoufakis list. 
A draft translation



JA


SEV / Press Office

SEV  Announcement on the reform agenda - list of the Ministry of 
Finance, 02.25.2015



The reform agenda of the Government, as it has been recorded in the list 
of the Ministry of Finance, raises expectations for the much-needed 
social and economic recovery. After all, it contains many of those 
failed so far to be done, and much of those to be done. It will suffice 
to be supported with firmness and faith by the political system, the 
social partners and the citizens.


The uncertainty of recent months has cost dearly for the workers, the 
businesses, the public revenue. It is a priority to catch up with 
determination and responsibility. The agreement with our European 
partners will create the conditions for us to look ahead with hope and 
realism.


The SEV actively supports all reforms which are to consolidate an 
attractive investment environment, to  release creative forces, to 
support healthy entrepreneurship and to create jobs, building thus the 
foundations for a developmental transformation pivoting around 
productivity, knowledge, openness, quality and innovation.


Original: http://www.sev.org.gr/online/viewNews.aspx?id=2591mid=8lang=gr
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On 01/03/2015 10:27 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


The Nemtsov thread has run its course. Let's move on to other matters
since Marxmail is not the proper forum for solving crimes, or
speculating on the guilt or innocence of Vladimir Putin in Nemtsov's
murder. Our emphasis is on class questions such as the role of Russia in
world politics, something that can be determined by examining the
evidence of its role in Ukraine, the treatment of Pussy Riot and gays, etc.


Amen
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Re: [Marxism] A note on the Spartacist Tendency

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On 12/02/2015 07:44 πμ, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:


One of the websites I follow is that of the Spartacist Tendency. 
http://www.icl-fi.org/index.html
I thought I would checkout their various publications.





Greece - no apparent publication, but a mailing address and a phone number.

I'm not sure what is happening, but advertising regular publications and then 
not keeping to schedule can only undermine their credibility.

ken h
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I have neither heard of a real person in Greece belonging to their greek 
section, nor seen any political declaration from their part circulating 
around. In their very minimalistic web site 
(http://www.icl-fi.org/greek/), only 16 announcements since 2004 are to 
be found.
Two of them are calling for a vote for KKE on 2012 and 2015 elections 
respectively. Although their texts have an up to date documentation, 
yet to be found on the web,  they are written in a somehow peculiar 
greek language: not wrong, but in greece we wouldn't
say it that way. As if their author wouldn't be a really native greek 
speaking : Perhaps someone of greek origin without living linguistic 
connections to Greece...or maybe just a very bad translation from an 
english(?) text.


Politically, support for KKE while hurling that Crimea is Russian is 
definitely not a good combination!

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full:
https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/syriza-and-the-poverty-of-philosophy/



All in all D. Renton refers to, about ANTARSYA, is a single page leaflet 
calling for vote for ANTARSYA! Extremely poor reference indeed.  The 
rest is pure fiction: a caricatured political position of a fictive 
ANTARSYA made easy to reverse.
But, accidentally, he did hit a point. ANTARSYA in several occasions is 
indeed calling for more advanced reforms, only these advanced reforms 
are the positions SYRIZA has abandoned. So ANTARSYA in those cases is 
just calling SYRIZA to implement its own program! The problem with this 
is not that ANTARSYA use in vain a non sophisticated (sic) 
confrontational rhetoric just to distinguish itself from SYRIZA as 
Renton thinks, but that recuperating oppositional rhetoric from SYRIZA's 
garbage bin, liquidates in bullets of isolated demands the transitional 
program it was striving to formulate and abandons any anti-capitalist 
perspective.
Instead, ANTARSYA could draw a transitional thread out of every 
Keynesian fantasy of SYRIZA's govt. An exposition of that idea (if one 
might found it interesting) may be found at D.Bensaïd's Keynes, what 
next? here: http://www.danielbensaid.org/Keynes-et-apres?lang=fr (in 
french only)

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[Marxism] Varkiza agreement

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In a few days there is the 70th anniversary of the Varkiza Agreement 
between the british imperialism/greek monarchy and the stalinists of 
KKE, the greek CP (12 Feb 1945). It was the outcome of the bloody 
December 1944 where the CP leadership led the poorly armed Athens' 
ELAS(Greek people's army) in the butchery of the heavily armed british 
troops, while forbidding the main ELAS forces to enter the battle. In 
Varkiza they signed the disarmament of the whole ELAS, instances of 
which had been filmed by the british: http://youtu.be/i4kWeTDT4A4
The black berets crying are from Aris Velouchiotis's detachment who 
himself not obeying to the party's traitorous orders and had fled to the 
mountains; but not for long.
We had won! We had all the people with us. We could not understand why 
we had to yield our weapons. We obeyed crying... These are the exact 
words of an old lady, at that time ELAS fighter, interviewed.


From December 2008 on, Varkiza has ended has become a motto of the 
left in Greece.

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Thanks for the advice. I am keeping it by not focusing on the kind of 
rhetoric questions you are asking.
Instead, my focus is on what the greek bourgeoisie is thinking about its 
degradation on the imperialist chain . From their point, the 
Mediterranean  hydro-carbonates are not a secondary issue. It is linked 
to the recuperation of their imperialist status and is constantly 
articulated with greek foreign policy. As the clouds of war have never 
leave Aegean Sea since 1974 the confrontation of the two bougeoisies is 
a matter of war and peace in the area, in which case, what is primary, 
what is secondary issue and how they are linked to the whole situation 
is a very complicated matter.

JA

On 31/01/2015 12:39 πμ, Louis Proyect wrote:


I have no idea why you  are harping on secondary issues as if
what Tsipras says about Ukraine or disputes over drilling rights is more
important than the confrontation over debt.

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The first link is a chart of Cypriot EOZ

https://avantgarde2009.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/aoz-cypr.jpg

while the second is a chart of the claimed EOZ by the greek bourgeoisie

https://i0.wp.com/www.efylakas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kastelorizo-001.jpg

It is very funny to realize that according to the greek bourgeoisie the 
Turks, by the international law , could hardly swim in their sea!


The two rival Aegean bourgeoisies are disputing the privatization of the 
sea and the hydro-carbonates under it. Greeks are leading the score 
based on the Israel-Cyprus-Greece axis reinforced by all the 
multinational corporations of the sector.Those hydro-carbonates are the 
new holly grail of the greek bourgeoisie: Attention ca pique! Nobody is 
allowed to talk about the ecocide they are putting forward.


And this is the case, for almost the whole political spectrum in greece 
(except some minor organizations mainly from the trotskyiste tradition) 
are standing by their own bourgeoisie. For all of them Barbaros is 
(turkish) aggressivity while the greek bourgeoisie's claims are national 
interest, and no ecological problem exists whatever.


This kind of chauvinism is mainly defended by SYRIZA and KKE by the 
remnants of the peaceful coexistence Stalinist dogma.


JA


On 30/01/2015 06:48 μμ, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:



Tsipras says Barbaros must leave for talks to resume
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Re: [Marxism] Greece’s new government halts sale of Piraeus port

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There is no question on condemning SYRIZA here. It would be irrelevant. 
After all condemning SYRIZA is copyrighted by KKE.
When ANTARSYA were fighting with the movements against Samaras and Co 
the last 5 years, they knew that they were favouring SYRIZA's electoral 
success. KKE knew it as well, and that's why they have been regularly 
condemned too as SYRIZA's tail. The question is to put the facts in 
their real dimensions in order to act upon them.
My point is, that the elections -the defeat of ND  PASOK- was a moment 
of detonation of all the explosives that the general strikes, the 
occupations, the stubborn struggles of the working class, in spite of 
the efforts of the yellow confederations, even in spite of the betrayals 
of KKE and SYRIZA who were constantly calling to retreat, have gathered 
around Samaras' government.
One the other hand this same victory for SYRIZA reflects the 
petit-bourgeois fantasy of a return to sweet 2009.

And SYRIZA is looking for a way to that direction
So the first point is that SYRIZA's government is not a left (let alone 
worker's) government. Neither objectively nor by their own claim. PM 
Tsipras has not yet pronounced the words left government and no one 
could blame him for that.
The second point would be that of locating the pawns on the chessboard. 
Who is where. If the Eurasianist Kotzias and the Turk-eater Toskas are 
in charge of greece's foreign affairs we must expect a certain tendency 
on that subject. etc etc
A concrete analysis is needed to sustain the main general target that 
this government should become a *hostage of the movement*. And that does 
concern and includes anyone who inside or outside syriza stands for the 
workers' cause.
It may be a mess but, as you have reminded by Lenin's words on the irish 
cause, this is always the case. Including an hilarious aspect from 
which, since now KKE will probably be more willing to promote strikes 
against its main enemy (third period after all), i am afraid that 
ANTARSYA wouldn't  be this time condemned by SYRIZA's government as 
KKE's tail!!

Damn! Have we stepped on devils tail?
JA


On 28/01/2015 11:37 μμ, Louis Proyect wrote:

On 1/28/15 4:25 PM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote:


In the photo (link below) the new greek minister of foreign affairs
Nikos Kotzias, a former Stalinist, on the left in front of the Pireaus
University where he teaches, is receiving Dugin: selective affinities
http://www.4pt.su/en/node/812



I don't think there's anybody on Marxmail who detests people like Dugin
more than me. That being said, I am not ready to condemn Syriza because
of this, no more so than I would condemn Venezuela or Cuba for its
support for Gaddafi and al-Assad.


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Re: [Marxism] Greek Leader Who Said 'Jews Don't Pay Taxes' Named Defense Minister

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While it is true that KKE is running a second Third Period and does 
sees SYRIZA as almost socialfasiscts, it is not true that SYRIZA was 
forced by that fact to a coalition with the ultraright of Kamenos. The 
coalition had obviously been decided before the ballot.
SYRIZA had always the ease to form a left government by his own and 
ask for support in the parliament. The river and the independent 
Greeks having declared a definite no to new elections threre was no fear.
Even in case of refusal by these two bourgeois parties, the hot potato 
would be left in KKE's hands, to decide by their vote whether a left 
government could be formed according to the mandate or whether new 
elections were to be proclaimed, and of course subsequently pay for 
their decision.


For SYRIZA this would be a win win game: either to have the government 
by his own and now or to take it after the new elections less than month 
later!


JA
On 28/01/2015 03:28 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


On 1/28/15 4:29 AM, Jim via Marxism wrote:

KKE is surely another anti-austerity party, and it has
enough seats to form a government coalition with Syriza, even if its
ageing
Stalinism has made it into yet another quasi-social democratic party.
You'd
think that would make it a good fit with the left social democratic
Syriza.


I thought most of us would be aware at this point that the KKE despises
Syriza and regards it as pro-austerity. Unlike any CP in the world, it
is a throwback to 3rd period Stalinism and as such evokes the social
fascism outlook of the pre-Popular Front period. This is why Syriza
ended up in bloc with ANEL more than anything else.



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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

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Well Panos Kamenos is the new head of the cabinet of National Defense. 
A right wing clown.


A short *ridiculum* vitae :
Born in 1965 son of Elias BigBigMoney Kamenos he started his political 
career at New Democracy till 2011 when he refused support to Papademos 
government, left Samaras and founded the Independend greeks party.
Author of a book entitled terrorism, theory and praxis where he had 
proven that the 17November organization was nothing but a handful of 
PASOK ministers!
His name has been involved, among many other things, into a case of 
illegal enrichment with fancy luxury yachts and offshore companies and 
even into a case of a tycoon's kidnapping.
A hard core nationalist, with his own political vision: a kind of.. 
permanent Bonapartistic governance!!! (don't ask me more about) and an 
homophobic.


He will have no problem to deal with and be personally accepted by the 
army officers, including the many golden dawnites among them.


JA

On 28/01/2015 01:15 πμ, Thomas wrote:

This is welcome news.

Who has been selected as the cabinet member in charge of the Greek military, 
and what are his or her

politics?

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In the photo (link below) the new greek minister of foreign affairs 
Nikos Kotzias, a former Stalinist, on the left in front of the Pireaus 
University where he teaches, is receiving Dugin: selective affinities

http://www.4pt.su/en/node/812


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 'We are going to destroy the Greek oligarchy system' - Channel 4 News

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Indeed,  left Keynesian economist Varoufakis is rather on the mainstream 
and surely not on Syriza's right wing. On SYRIZA's right wing one can 
find guys like state deputy candidate general Nikos Toskas former 
Pasok's military advisor, a veteran of greek imperialist adventures in 
Somalia Afghanistan and the Balkans, a proponent of the 
Israel-Cyprus-Greece axis .

More about:
http://sofokleous10.gr/greek-news/296235-syriza-state-deputy-candidate-nikos-toskas-interviewed

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On 24/01/2015 11:23 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


And this guy is supposedly on the right wing of Syriza.

http://www.channel4.com/news/we-are-going-to-destroy-the-greek-oligarchy-system



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This is a passage from Kouvelakis' interview:
So it’s quite clear that for certain sectors very involved in 
mobilizations and social movements, at a local level or at the level of 
the union, they tend to support or regroup around initiatives or 
structures in which far-left activists are led. [you may call it 
ANTARSYA] But, when it comes to political representation, then Syriza 
acts in a way as the key political representation for this overall 
constellation of forces.


Regardless Kouvelakis' or any other interpretation of that fact, one can 
hardly find anything unusual, leave alone astonishing, in the mass' 
electoral behavior. For the isolated in the ballot box curtain citizen 
is a different person than the same man or woman in the class struggle. 
The bourgeois elections are surely not in a direct correspondence 
neither to the class struggle nor to the class conscientiousness. After 
all, even the Bolsheviks, days after the abolition of the capitalist 
state, found themselves defeated in the Constituent Assembly elections. 
 And it is quite amusing to see that Kouvelakis' very same  argument 
could be, as a bitter joke, fitted in that case:


So it’s quite clear that for certain sectors very involved in the 
mobilizations and the social movements, that overthrew the Char and have 
abolished the bourgeois state, they tend to support or regroup around 
initiatives or structures in which Bolsheviks are led. But, when it 
comes to political representation like the Constituent Assembly , then 
the SR party acts in a way as the key political representation for this 
overall constellation of forces.


JA


On 22/01/2015 09:49 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:



With Syriza approaching the gates of power in Greece, the internet has
been full of analyses, opinion pieces, and endorsements and
denunciations. In this interview with Stathis Kouvelakis, edited for
clarity, conducted in early January, and spliced together with earlier
interviews (thanks to David Broder for translations), we take a critical
distance to understand the origins, trajectory, and possible challenges
of this political formation.

full: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/phase-one/
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Stuart

You are right about analogies. In my point of view analogies may be 
established till the citizen isolated in a ballot box. What you quoted 
is just a joke.
But if, for the sake of discussion, we are to draw such irrelevant 
analogies, one have to remark that 0,33% is not so disproportional  to 
what the Bolsheviks led the masses to accomplish, while ANTARSYA has 
not, and is far from: Soviets, bourgeois state abolition and so on. 
Again the electoral scores of the bolseviks in tsarist Douma are quite 
comparable to that of ANTARSYA. Well, to be less provocative, all i say 
is that electoral scores can prove not much either in favor of 
ANTARSYA's political program or against it. That is, not to fairly 
ignore them, but rather not to lay on them.
To be sure, ANTARSYA is not anything like the bolshevik party; not at 
all. And actually is in a serious internal struggle as the coalition's 
majorities are tending to recuperate the oppositional rhetoric and 
demands that SYRIZA abandons as it clearly moves in full speed to the 
right.  Last, but not least in this trajectory, is SYRIZA's salution to 
Draghi's  QE while he clearly depends it on a successful memorandum 
member state policy.
Reading around in the internet i have realized that is far from clear 
that what is been disputed by ANTARSYA is not whether SYRIZA will 
establish a kind of worker's state or not (that's at present out of 
anybody's  reach), but if its moderate Keynesian dreams have any chance 
at all in greece's and EU specific situation. If the answer is no they 
haven't , then arises the question of what will be next?.
And, in my view again, such a continuous move to the right in order to 
gain the meaningless electoral support of -as they put it - the 
right-minded citizen in the name of the left, paves the road for 
Golden Dawn, whom electoral score should be, by its nature and 
circumstances, taken straightforward.
Two days left for the supposedly brilliants electoral conclusions of the 
international left to come out, irony addressed first of all to my own 
mediocrity.


Regards
JA

On 23/01/2015 10:26 πμ, Stuart Munckton wrote:

This is a *very* forced analogy -- so forced as to be pretty pointless.




This includes the fact that int he Constituent Assembly, the Bolsheviks
got a little bit more than 0.33% of the vote that Antarsya got in the
last general elections... about a quarter of all votes cast. Just a bit
more. A number far closer to what Syriza scored last time, as opposed to
Antarsya's truly irrelevant number of votes.


There is another small difference -- the existence in Russia of a
widely-organised and supported counter power to the old state in the
soviets, in a context of the near total disintegration of the old state
amid the ongoing disaster of world war one. There is not, actually much
to be gained by trying to draw comparisons between the two situations in
general.

Stuart

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full: https://www.jacobinmag.com/__2015/01/phase-one/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/phase-one/




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On 13/01/2015 05:15 μμ, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:



On 1/13/15 9:18 AM, Andrew Pollack wrote:


full at http://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3804


The Greek left wing, Syriza and Antarsya have particular responsibility
in building a unitive project, which goes beyond these organizations,
but can bring together trade unionists, campaign activists, ecologists.

Maybe I am missing something but Antarsya got 2.7 percent of the vote in
the 2014 regional elections. If I were in Greece, I'd be part of
Syriza's left wing and not wasting my time in an ill-conceived
socialist alliance type formation.

You can get an idea of the sectarian conceptions of Antarsya from this
article that appeared in International Viewpoint as well:

[]

http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3359

Idiotic.


Dear Louis

Back in the seventies,  been a teenager ignorant member of the youth of 
Greek CP, i proposed the ideological cycle of the party to consider, 
study and present in the plenum, the social basis of maoism, according 
to the current at the time belief in Greek CP in a kind of sharp and 
clear correspondence  between ideologies and social classes.
How come!  the secretary exclaimed.They are just idiots! What else to 
be said?


Thus, i learned that other peoples' idiocy explains nothing, but 
nevertheless it may be used as by the secretary, to attribute to the 
maoists his own lack of explanation.


As for ANTARSYA, you are missing something indeed: The fact that 
Syriza's bumble parliamentary success is the signature of mass' 
radicalization. As is usual the case with reformists, they are the first 
step of the mass'  movement to the left. If that movement continue on, 
SYRIZA can hardly hope to keep the current mass' support. Again if that 
process stop, then SYRIZA will probably show the ugly face of reformism. 
Meanwhile, and being a bumble, SYRIZA has no live connections with the 
working class other than electoral clientele. Thus it restricts its 
political action in spectacular activism from above, while seeks to 
incorporate the desperate corrupted syndicalist apparatus of a dying 
PASOK. That worker's aristocracy, plunged for decades in state 
corruption and specialized to working class manipulation, can hardly be 
a positive factor in transforming the working class interests into 
SYRIZA policy.
On the other hand, ANTARSYA does have such class connections forged to 
the struggles with and within workers' organizations.
Example: in Greek Federation of Secondary State School Teachers (OLME, 
about 100 000 members that is 1% of the whole Greek population) SYRIZA 
gets 27-28% of the votes (1n 2014) just the same as in parliamentary 
elections, and ANTARSYA (which indeed got 2,7% in regional elections) 
gets almost 20% of the votes(2014). Not bad at all for a sectarian 
group, isn't it ?
Well,  unlike SYRIZA, which seeks always to restraint and calm down the 
working class, we put the struggles forward, we gain support. And that, 
in spite of SYRIZA's growing electoral support.

For sure, be prepared to hear soon much more unusual news from greece

An idiot
J.A.
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