Re: [meteorite-list] Its baaaaack
If this guys keepers would make him throw out his BATHWATER instead of letting him drink it and I think he could still make a full recovery. Lets hope he has taken an oath of celebacy...this guys genetics need to dead end with him. He should quit wasting his money trying to sell this thing and give the money to a charitity. Sheesh Mark - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Its back http://cgi.ebay.com/A-30-POUND-PIECE-FROM-A-HUGE-MARS-METEORITE_W0QQitemZ6600574529 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Slander
Your lack of the proper use of the English language affirms what others are saying here. No one here cares about your lawyer, so entertain that. As far as your contesttake it somewhere else, no on here needs your generosity. As for your comments about Mr. Farmer, I would personally like to see you call him a punk to his face. Now that would be TRULY entertaining. The truth is you would never call him anything but Mister Farmer to his face, so do not let your email program, the internet, and distance make you brave. It will not impress anyone. As for Mr. Farmer and this list, he has been here long enough to earn whatever reputation he has with each of us,EXCUSE ME but who are you againI do not remember seeing you here. Oh and the CEO thing isn't very impressive. Most CEO's I know could not find their own ass, even though it is securely wrapped around their head. Thanks for your input here. Perhaps you may want to try the alt.stupid.treasurehunts message board, I hear they like CEO's there. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Slander Hello, To address some of the postings on the forum. King Arthur's Treasures Inc. is a leagl business out of Ohio that pays it's taxs. Feel free to contact the Ohio Attroney General to verify this if you like. On are web page people may leave thier name and email address to be informed of the upcoming treasure hunt and release of the book that goes with this hunt. If you notice we do not ask for money nor have I asked anyone for money. What is really upsetting is to slander to the company and me. I can live with the poor writing jokes but to say that I'm scammming or trying to cheat people out of money is slander and maybe I will entrain the idea of some lawsuits with an lawyer. When I asked about meteorites being appraised high and sold low I had to make sure that a person could take a $100,000 meteorite and get $100,000 or more for it so they do not feel cheated or felt fraud was in play. All I was trying to do was put some money in people's pocket generate business for your indusrty but instead you want to post on a public forum some of the things you have said. Mr Farmer you made a private email public ok its just common knowledge your a punk buts its not common knowledge that I'm a thief lier etc. Also are company does have a bank account and money to match are offers this information would have been given out freely but instead after much reflection and these postings I will just keep my money and give it away to people that deserve it. Rick CEO King Arthurs treasures Inc. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] POLL: rustiest most unstable known
I have had my nantan in Arizona for 6 years with no changes. We use evaporative cooling for most of the summer with no ill effects. I must have just been lucky to get a stable piece. I know it is destined to crumble one day. Mark not rusty - Original Message - From: Bill Mason III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Kevin Forbes' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] POLL: rustiest most unstable known For what it's worth I have taken the NANTAN and have treated it and it's the fifth year and NO RUST. Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Forbes Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] POLL: rustiest most unstable known A P.S. to my last, a Nantan, Nandan, near corroded in front of me in 1 week, I cleaned off some of the Goethite, Iron oxide, and away it went, 25% of the rotten thing turned into a pile of scale where it sat. Brr. I should have left it alone, it had sort of already stabilised over 500 years. From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] POLL: rustiest most unstable known Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:24:21 + MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [68.219.175.75] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from six.pairlist.net ([209.68.2.254]) by mc3-f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:24:29 -0700 Received: from six.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 713478C656; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23])by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BFC8D8C140for [EMAIL PROTECTED];Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78996 invoked by uid 7111); 7 Oct 2005 14:24:24 - Received: (qmail 78989 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 14:24:23 - Received: from mailwash5.pair.com (66.39.2.5)by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 14:24:23 - Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by mailwash5.pair.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 35FBF8D723for meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f27.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.37])by mailwash5.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84428D65Efor meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:24:21 -0700 Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:24:21 GMT X-Message-Info: APgguKHtcSDs7SZiuHrLTjtU0kNsogYSgTN5yB7rpL4= X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 14:24:21.0910 (UTC)FILETIME=[CF7E3360:01C5CB4A] X-BeenThere: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com List-Unsubscribe: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list List-Post: mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] keep 'em coming! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] POLL: rustiest most unstable known Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:39:31 -0700 (PDT) nantan's gotta be #1 --- harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! you georgia skyrockers- keep it to yourself until we wind this down (i already know what YOU are think of). i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expert opinion
I agree with you Rob. It is the same with the losses in Iraq. The military has accidents every year, even when not at war. Where are the protestors when marines die from hypothermia in a swamp, where are they when men die jumping from an airplane and crash into the desert? Why is it a needless death when they die in Iraq and not when it is a training exercise. Many in America are bitching about the time it is taking to help the stranded. If I remember correctly they were told to EVACUATE New Orleans. It is not like the problem with the levees is newTHEY HAVE BEEN INADEQUETE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. I do not remember seeing throngs marching in the city prior to the storm TRYING TO ESCAPE, yet they can sure get out in horrible conditions to loot, rob, rape and murder now. If 30,000 people were in the streets trying to evacuate I think someone might have noticed Why is not the ever present and all knowing Michael Farmer running the damn show if he is so freaking smart? Farmer your mouth is always running about the wrong shit. If you know so damn much get your ass to the region and help our president do it right. Where is all your massive fortune Mike? Lets see a public contribution, other than your witty bullshit here on the list. How many families from the region are living with you? I HAVE AN OFFER ON CRAIGSLIST TO TAKE A FAMILY OF 4. MIKE, SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR A CHANGE. I do not care what you did in the past...THIS IS HERE AND THIS IS NOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THEM LATELY? I do not make enough money to save the world. My family has already donated $300.00, and my brother in law who is the biggest DJ in Arizona on KMLE in Phoenix is on the air raising money and starting a clothes drive. My sons class is taking contributions of school supplies for the children of the disaster including giving up some of there own badly needed supplies. At my office we all paid for a week($2.00 a day) of casual dress(jeans) and this week we will all wear our dress clothes and send the money to the red cross. YES things were done wrong, and yes they could have been done betterTHAT DISCUSSION IS FOR A LATER TIME AND ON ANOTHER LIST. If anybody HERE thinks you can do better get your boots on the ground...if you can help, then do it. You know that $5.00 is not much today NOT EVEN 2 GALLONS OF GAS, but if all of us sent $5.00 to the Red Cross it will make a difference, all your bitching is doing is wasting air and creating greenhouse gasses. Our people...AMERICANS, need us now. Later we can get together and discuss what we need to do to fix what happened. Now we just need to open our homes our wallets and our hearts and helpwho cares who screwed this up, lets just fix it and hang those that be damned later. No one on earth could have stopped this storm, no one on earth is responsible for the storm, everyone can have a hand in fixing it. Alot of people here bitch that there is too much government in America, and then expect that same government to pick their asses up out of the thick of things when ultimately the responsibility for your OWN LIFE RESTS WITH YOU. Next election get out and vote, get involved, your government is YOU when you participate. Thats my look on the issue. My challenge to everyone is to quit looking for the devil to hang and get your asses in gear, give money, give clothes, start auctions to benefit the people that need it most, offer to take in a family if you can do it. JUST DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN ARGUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENED. To everyone that has given already...THANK YOU and find a way to give some more. Thanks for listening, and please find a way to help. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Sterling K. Webb' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability Sterling makes some excellent points about the psychological impact of tragic deaths attributed to various flavors of Mother Nature flexing her muscles. When it comes to fear and risk, humans can be very irrational. They worry about tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanoes, supervolcanoes, tsunamis, global warming, airplane crashes, lightning, shark attacks and bear attacks, not to mention whatever the latest fear of the week might be (e.g. anthrax, dirty bombs, West Nile virus, Ebola). The common factor in all of these fears is that the probability of dying from any one of them is practically zero. In fact, if you add up all the probabilities of dying from each of these, the chances are still next to zero. But this is what people worry about because it's reported each and every day on their TV sets. They think nothing of getting in their cars each day and driving to and from work (perhaps smoking a cigarette or wolfing down a supersize meal from their favorite
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Ebay fraud?
2 words.MILL BALL. Used to crush ore in days of old. You can find them all over the US if you know where to look. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Ebay fraud? Hello Darren, Pete, Jörn and List, ... my opinion this is a fraud. This sphere rather looks like some terrestrial ore. My guess is that what the seller is offering is a (partially corroded) Nantan (IIICD). partially corroded ... this would explain the lower than expected density of the item offered. We all know what the ultimate fate of most Nantans is, so the big eye or the interior of the sphere might be a corrosion product. Any further comments? Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights
Tom, Nasa stopped painting the fuel tank after the first flight or two to cut down on weight. Any kind of netting that would survive the king of vibration, sonic stress, and stress from drag would probably add substantial weight to the tank. And as I think Chris mentioned the last thing they need is a piece peeling away and flapping in the supersonic breeze. STS has always been a dangerous, experimental, system. Making the orbiter reusable is still not something easily done even with the advance of technology. Nasa will probably find a workaround for the troublesome foam but I think that it will be only a bandaid. We need a new and better way. Some at NASA must have known this all along. They have been very lucky to fly the STS as much as they have with as little though far to many deaths. The nation as a whole has to make a commitment to fly in space and then be prepared to pay for it. Space is quickly becoming the high ground. What will we do if communist China has bases on the moon and decides to start controlling things here on Earth. How do we stop the kind of exploitation that will inebvitably occur? There are no easy answers, and no one seems ready to invest in space, other than billboards. I love space, I grew up as many did with the beginning of the Space program and have always wanted to go. I truly wish that we would mothball the shuttle and stop flying the damn thing. The money could be better spent finding a better way. In the meantime I am encouraged by the strength and conviction that NASA is now showing. Keeping the shuttle on the ground is the worst thing that could happen to the program, but the best thing for the heros we have been putting in the thing. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights Hi John and list, I have to wonder why they do not use some kind of netting imbedded in the foam so if it does break off, then it can't go anywhere. Kind of like the wire you see in some security glass or the same way they use chicken wire under plaster on houses. If I remember right they spray the foam on? If so the can loosely cover the parts with a netting and then spray on the foam? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights SPACE CENTER, Houston - NASA officials said Wednesday they are grounding future space shuttle flights because foam debris of the type that doomed the shuttle Columbia is still a risk. Read the full article here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8720825/ Regards, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Farewell, Scotty
Tracy, I have a CD of some of the greatest bagpipe players in the world. Slow, soulful music. Right after reading this I put the CD in my player, opened the front door to my home and let all 800 watts of sound system flex its musical muscle for all to hear. I am not sure if Scotty/James heard it in his location, but 30 minutes into the CD the Phoenix PD was at my door with my warning to turn down the tunes. I briefly contiplated explaining to them that it was a tribute to Scotty, but it is 110 degrees here today and they looked like they would not need much in the way of a reason to cart me off to jail, so I said sorry and turned it down as I know I do not look good in pink underwear and wide pin stripes and have no desire to taste the green bologna they serve in our jails. So long Scotty Mark - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Farewell, Scotty James Doohan passed away early this morning: http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=196936 Anyone know how to play bagpipes? Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Deep Impact from Earth
My son and I spent the night fishing Bartlett Lake in Cave Creek Arizona last evening with my best friend in our float tubes. The sky was incredibly clear. We saw 20 or more shooting stars but even with 10 power binos we were unable to see anything of the comet. It may be because the largemouth were biting like crazy and we really could have spent more time skyward. On a sadder note the Cave Creek Complex fire has devastated the area. We were there after the first part of the fire and though the undergrowth had been burned there was lots left to recover. After the fire worked its way back through the area last week it is a virtual moon scape. Only badly browned Saguaros and the remenants of trees are left. My 11 year old son cried when he saw the destruction. It is very unlikely that anything will recover from the burn and it will take 20 years or more to regrown the desert here and we may have lost 1000's of Saguaros including the largest ever on record the Grand One which was badly scrorched and burned. Anyone on the list that has ever been to Arizona or hunted in our deserts will tell you there is nothing like it in the world. Two lightning strikes rekindled what some moron with a car originally started when they parked on dry brush. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Deep Impact from Earth Darren G. wrote: Any word yet on wherther Earth based mere mortal back-yard telescope observers were able to make out any sign of the impact? Hola Darren, Luck was pretty bad for most in the Americas due to cloudcover and being low onthe horizon. Down here in Northeast Mexico it was an obligatory futility that none-the-less was great fun to participate in, with a 15 degree above the horizon impact (I had my 16X binoculars:-)). It looks like a backyard astronomer needed a 10-12 Dobsonian or so for a decent chance in the Southern portion Pacific US time zone. Reports that the comet it was so diffuse at around 11 magnitude, that it couldn't be seen even when 12th magnitude stars were discernable. But that right after the impact, it in fact appeared like magic with averted vision, comments of a 1.5 or 2.0 magnitudes before and after in the two hours. The Hubble images showed that the tektites produced were racing out at 1800 km/hr, and there are hopes of something better tonight as it expanded, though I haven't seen any reports posted from Asia, and it is a little discouraging from what Rosetta said according to Sky and Telescope: That they saw the 2 magnitude increase, but then it was losing a two-thirds of the increase within a five hours. So not so great a forecast on one hand, but that I'm sure won't stop the legions of us who hope to get lucky tonight... Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the 3 million dollar ebay Mars rock
This is one of the latest scams. Buy a high priced item, send too much money and get a refund with the item. EXCEPT that you will find that the money order is counterfeit and will cash for about a week, or the PayPal account is stolen or the cards on it are bogus. If you received this email from the bidder through the ebay mail system, then report it and get this ahole off of ebay. Save some poor unknowing fool some monetary loss. We have had 3 bidders try this this yearthey were all sent packing. Pay the amount requested...pay too much and you will not only not get your item, you will get a visit from ebay support and if I can find your address a visit from the local police. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] the 3 million dollar ebay Mars rock I just noticed that the auction is back yet again with new descriptions now-- and it looks like he has dropped his demand that it not be cut and that it be placed in a place that is God centered. Plus, he is answering questions on the auction page! Anyone want to ask him anything? Hello, I am the former Difince Menister of Zimbabwae, and I wish to purchasing your MARS ROCK. Please giving me the address to send the INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDER for this MARS ROCK. It is for $4,000,000. Please ship this MARS ROCK to me along with the remaining $666,667 in cash... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6541382951 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List as bad as blog!
My real name is Mark M. in Phoenix AZ for the record. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List as bad as blog! Congrats! Good work. Now you know at least that that name is setting you up. I do similar things with addresses that move freely amongst the many free and throw away accounts Over the years has anyone else ever wondered if and why so many of the So n So's Our Hero, Stop Bashing Him !, Enabler Society-- have throw away email addresses (e.g. yahoo, hotmail etc.) with ISP access in, for example--the Chicago, Illinois area? Or why they only post to support the Hero, and never answer questions put to them? Maybe it is just that I am paranoid... The subscribers to this list are SOooo played and many so gentle and trusting they are oblivious. Giving things away seems, on the surface, as a noble mangamous behavior until you remember that Jim Jones gave away free kool-aid , Thalidimide was a free sample given to pregnant women, and your neighborhood drug dealer frequently starts a new customer with a free bag. I think you are right--we shouldn't tolerate fake identities, we shouldn't tolerate being played, and when the liars are found out we shouldn't tolerate their deceit. An apology is ok once but when it is used over and over as a get out of jail free card, how do we expect that the apology is ever sincere ever? In the long run, as was said long ago on the list,--this trade is based on the trust and integrity of the person's claim of provinence-that the material is what it is represented to be. If they are deceptive in other matters why do we want to believe that they are suddenly wholey honest in their sales weights, sizes, and representations. How would we know the material was even from the meteorite they claim it is? I want to apologize for this post, and I want to apologize in advance for the next one--it won't happen againand in case it does, I want to apologize for that one too. Oh did I tell you I apologize for this post? (rolling my eyes) Elton Tom Knudson wrote: (snip)... Devon Slater that quickly turned into an argument complete with insults. Later today I checked the blog, and sure enough, he took it over to the blog. Then, I noticed that his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also looked in the List Archives and found out in the past three months, he has only posted a few times and each time it was to fight with someone. I am thinking that with an address like his, he is not a real person, just another person that has to hide behind a fake identity so he can be hateful. I think, as a list we should not tolerate fake identities on the list or it will end up as bad as the blog. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation, Evolution andIntelligent Design
I think that there is a bit of truth to all of it, Creation, Evolution and Intellegent intervention/design. Your examples of Fallen arches, acid reflux, cancer, failing eyesight are not part of the design. They are the result of using a given design beyond the operational envelope of the particular design. Cancer, I believe is a product of our 5000 years of cesspool environmental practices, add the industrial revolution and the millions of tons of toxins that are in the lifecycles of this biosphere and cancers are inevitable even in the best design. Most people I know with foot problems are either out of shape or overweight, acid reflux is simply another example of operation of the design outside its capabilities. Unless you are getting naturally grown food from OFF of this planet then I do not care if you are a herbivore, carnivore or and omnivore you are ingesting filth, toxins and decay of the past 3 centuries at least. Add to that the processed crap that most people gorge themselves on and it is no wonder that our stomachs work at all. No you will have to make a better arguement against intelligent design than that. I personally like to call it intelligent Intervention, perhaps God/the intellegence did not stick around to perfect the design. Instead this God/the intelligence , found something already in the process...maybe from evolution. Seeing that it could use some seasoning, like all good chefs added some spice to the life already beginning on this planet. Maybe that is where creation comes in. Who knows, maybe we will find out someday that our double helix DNA is responsible for all of itmore than half of all the material that makes up our DNA does nothing but insure the replication of itself, then we share almost 95% of the stuff with all other living things here. Sounds pretty suspicous to mesomething that devotes more than half of its structure and operation to its own self preservation and is intimately linked to everything on this planet...if that is not intellgence I do not know what is and that leaves out the fact that 4 simple chemicals is all this stuff is made of and all you need to is combine the stuff correctly and it can make anything out of itself(cue twilight zone music). Too many missing links in evolution, too much take it on faith in religion and way too many wonderful things that we can not explain, that I will not hold up to chance happening. I like to believe, no matter what faith, with or without religon, that all of us will know the wonders of us, our world and the universe someday and it will all be revealed when we leave this existance...until then we get to debate. And that leads me to communication, another part of the designthink for a moment how lousy life would be if we had not developed our communication to level beyond common mammals. You did make a good point though when you said that the ways of God are myterious and not within mortal understanding? What fun would it be and what would anyone have to look forward to if we had all the answers. Our suffering here, our experiences here, are all preparation for what is ahead. Till then we get to wonder and talk about it! Thanks for listening Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Treiman, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:25 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation,Evolution andIntelligent Design Hi, all -- Here's my two cents on Intellegent Design. It adopts the worst aspects of science and religion, and ends up being bad science, bad theology, and bad engineering. Intellegent Design is bad science, because it makes no testable predictions about how the universe does or did operate. Intellegent Design is bad theology, because it assumes that humans are clever enough to understand God's design of the universe and his intentions. Don't our preachers always tell us that the ways of God are myterious and not within mortal understanding? Intellegent Design is bad engineering, because so many parts of the design work poorly. What is the design purpose of acne? Fallen arches? Acid reflux? Cancer? Failing eyesight? Etc, etc. These are not intellegent designs, they are sloppy, foolish, stupid designs. FWIW. Allan Allan H. Treiman Senior Staff Scientist Lunar and Planetary Institute 3600 Bay Area Boulevard Houston, TX 77058-1113 281-486-2117 281-486-2162 (FAX) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Southern Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:02 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation,Evolution andIntelligent Design interesting point of view Phil... Bill - Original Message - From: Phil Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Re:
Re: [meteorite-list] Don't worry, I am leaving.
Tom, Get over itit is not changing the way anyone here feels about you or your daughter. If anyone here or anywhere else is stupid enough to believe the crap that is posted then they are on the same level as the poster. You are letting the buttlicker win by letting his posts bother you. The person is obviously a spineless coward sissy-mommy boy that hides from those he would attack like some little wussy. IF YOU WERE A REAL MAN YOU WOULD FACE TO FACE TOM AND GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO BEAT YOUR ASS. INSTEAD it is someone on this list that is a spineless little wimp that can only hurt people with lies. They would NEVER HAVE THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SAY THEY DID ITTHAT IS WHY THEY ARE A COWARD AND A LURKERS. YOU KNOW who you are and if I knew who you were I would personally kick your wimpy little ass and dress you in a skirt and panties like the sissy you are. WHY not stand up and be recognized for the spineless wimp you are? Because you are a gutless little sissy that hides behind your mommy when the real men show up. Come onI am no powerhousereveal yourself so I can personally deliver a message to youREDNECK STYLE! Mark M Arizona - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't worry, I am leaving. Hello List, many have said I should not leave the list due to the blog. Yesterday I posted a real question, what is the draw back to a .006 blade and got the answer. That post was copied to the blog, it was not a dumb question, but someone on the list hates me so much that any post I make offends him and he has to take it over to the blog. And from the blog; As long as Ssteve and Tom continue their ways, this blog will be fueled. What asking serious questions? Some of the people on the blog can not see why I would get offended that they drag my daughter into it, maybe they don't have kids, or they just don't care about theirs? They wrote; Tom Ks daughter said... Yeah, if Ssteve moves here with Tom K he can bring his Dell and then Tom and he can share. Also I wont have to pretend to be interested in dads meteorites; and I can get my home work done on time. To me that is insulting, for one, they have no right even mentioning my daughter, second, the blog can be found using google and the whole world can read this crap and they are making my daughter out to be a selfish phony. They do not know my daughter, she is one of the most generous people you could ever know. She does not pretend to anything, she is a very real person, allot more than the people who hide behind the anonymity of the blog and insult innocent people. And just a side note, she is the type of student that gets her homework done while still in school and is one of the top students in her school. So, I do need to leave the list, any post I ever make will just give the bloggers something to talk about and a excuse to put my daughter down. And, the owner of the blog was asked nicely to take the posts about my daughter down by a couple of people, but he will not, what a nice guy, a kid hater no doubt! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Very OT: New pope selected
Lets hope this Pope does something tangible and REAL to protect the little children in this world from all of the Catholic Child Molesters the last pope supported with his inaction! My pennies. - Original Message - From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Very OT: New pope selected ...and as a Bavarian he has a large heart. Hopefully not an enlarged heart from too many Bratwursts and Schnitzel. ) Sorry, I couldn't resist. Please forgive me. Ryan -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 19, 2005 1:06 PM To: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very OT: New pope selected Well, he's so conservative, but don't be afraid, he was my bishop in Munich and as a Bavarian he has a large heart. And today it's Einstein's jubilee and I visited the same school in Munich as he did, sooo omens and wonders, you all better should bid on the solidarity meteorite for Lars (who is at the moment at half a Bessey price). Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Very OT: New pope selected Quick message for those that hadn't heard -- Joseph Ratzinger from Germany (who just had his 78th birthday three days ago) is the next pope. He's chosen the name Benedict XVI. -Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Virgin Mary meteorite/anyone good at readingspectra?
I have actually seen this before. Years back someone from Texas was selling some as a meteorite. I wrote him and asked him if he had it tested, he said no. It did not sell. He wrote me and asked for my address and actually sent it to me. With the help of the fine people on this list it was identified as some kind of iron precipitation that occurs naturally in this lumpy type form. I forget what everyone said it was but all the replies were unanimous that is was something common to Texas and it was iron, the oxygen, I am guessing is due to oxidation of the iron. As for seeing the Virgin Mary in this lump, I do not think so. What is with all these images? Did I miss the memo about the second coming or the end of the world? What good god fearing people will do to exploit their faith, bilk their own kind, and make a buck. Hell my dogs make free form fine art sculptures all over my back yard, perhaps there is one of jesus back there. Do I here $40.00? Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Virgin Mary meteorite/anyone good at readingspectra? So that Virgin Mary meteorite is back on Ebay, and this time the seller has including a picture of a card with what appears to be the results of some sort of spectroscopic analysis of the piece. Anyone know what kind of 'wrong it is from the card, just for curiosity's sake? Its showing up strong for Oxygen and Iron, but I don't see any nickel on the card. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6155546569 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] you got to see this!
The photos suckI can not see anythingmaybe I need a new monitor. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tom AKA James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] you got to see this! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=13770item=6145295027 rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] about this list and everything inbetween
Welcome aboard and with your vision of things here you will get along fine!. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] about this list and everything inbetween Everyone cross your fingers for me today I am sawing off a piece of my rock to see the inside. Not knowing what I might of had everyone laugh at me I had scrubbed the rock with Dawn dish washing liquid and and a vegetable scouring brush. I thought I was getting creek crud off the rock at the time I had not even thought of fusion crust! LOL Then I took it an threw it out in my yard because I did not see any fossils in it. I kept it because it was a heavy bugger and unlike any others I had from this area. By the way, I do not mind the public outbursts and name calling. I am new to the group and thus just beginning to learn. Now I know that all you old timers to the list are probably rolling your eyes heavenward, but hang with me and hear me out. Seeing some people making arses of themselves on here allows me to realize who I would like to do business with and not do business with. I will learn who to ignore and not ignore. And yes, these things are important to learn as expand my rock collection to include meteorites. What I have come to realize the more and more I read about meteorites is the collection of great minds that have come together here. Granted great minds working in the field will clash, anyone who is unable to see this is not in my personal opinion of great intelligence themselves. Also standing around b!tching about others having a dispute on the list is in no way going to make this group look any better either or help to resolve the issues that inflamed someone. Also I have never not once had a ton of junk mail because I subscribed to this list. If this is happening to you perhaps you should subscribe in the daily digested form instead of the individual emails. I stand back looking at this large group of really interesting people and still think this is a great group in spite of a few flaws. Basically, I am happy just to be here. Anyone who doesn't feel the same need not gripe just unsubscribe. Dana Hawn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] shipping
Tom, Ebay will tell you and do so in their user agreements that they Only Provide The Venue for the auctions/sales to occur. They do not police their site for everything that goes onmore and more they have to rely on the users to police themselves. Go look at antique/Persian rugs on Ebay. Lots of dealers that are very reputable. Look at the pricingsome start at a dollar and have a fixed shipping cost of $199.00, others have starting prices at $150.00 and up and have a $45.00 or more depending on where you live shipping cost. I have bought several rugs online from both types. The average 8 x 12 foot rug is about $45.00 to ship to me. I look for the reasonable shipping terms and then go for the item I want. As a seller on Ebay (desertcrystal) starting my 6th year I can honestly say that bidders do not read auctions and they do not ask questions. I do not care if the item sells for one pennyTHAT IS NOT what it is going to cost. Shipping should be your first concern anytime you are buyingnothing is a deal if the seller is making money on the shipping and by bidding on an item and then arguing about the cost is wasting time. Ebays rules are if you bid...you agree to the terms STATED in the auction at the time you bid. Anyone that bids should have first read the entire auction, they should UNDERSTAND what they read and if they still have questions they should ASK first before bidding. Simple common sense. I can not tell you the number of bidder I have had that never asked a single question about an item or the shipping until the auction was over and at that point, at least as far as this seller is concerned your pissing up a rope with me. You bid, you won, you pay, I ship, transaction over plain and simple. I answer 30 emails a day on average, many asking about the item, most about the shipping. I answer every question, I offer alternatives to issues, I try to accommodate any bidders reasonable request, special handling, really anything, as long as it is BEFORE the auction ends. I also charge a handling fee because we pack very well and professionally and that costs money and that cost we pass onto our bidders as a handling fee. BUT every seller that packs fragile items has to recover their costs for materials and they either do it in the starting price or in shipping/handling fees. I prefer to be upfront and say there will be a handling fee, I only ever charge EXACT shipping costs, plus handling25 cents a sheet for bubblewrap and $1.00 a cubic foot for peanuts and that is EXACTLY what I pay. If you look at my feedback our customers love our shipping and packing. I do not sell meteorites. If I did I would charge exact postage for whatever service they bidder wanted and only $0.12 - $0.25 cents for bubblewrap and only if it was really needed to protect the stone. I have used bubblewrap here that is not good for antiques but is great for metal and other things that won't shatter and since I get it free I give it away. My whole point is...90% of the problems on ebay is a lack of communication and understanding. Bidders need to ask questions, know the terms and understand what the costs will be. REPUTABLE sellers will have no problems answering questions, they will have reasonable costs and they will work with the bidder. IF every bidder did this the bullshit sellers that charge $25.00 to ship a thumbnail size piece of stone will not be on ebay long...they would not have bidders because the bidders would have asked questions and found out that the seller was screwing them and then would not bid. Please...everyone, If you are going to buy on ebay, ASK questions of the seller BEFORE you bid. Know what it is you are buying, what it will cost to ship and be sure you have no lingering questions. IF the seller does not answer the first email, send a second as lord knows how reliable email is. IF the seller does not answer or does not have the answers that make YOU feel good about the sale DO NOT BID. There will always be another chance at ANY item on ebay...all it will cost you is the time to find it. Nothing will ever replace the time spent arguing about something that could have been avoided 9 times out of 10 with a simple question before that mouse goes click. Mark Miconi Phoenix AZ Mark M. Phoenix AZ At least once every human being should have to run for his life, to teach him that milk does not come from a supermarket, that safety does not come from policemen, and that news is not something that happens to other people. - Robert Heinlein - Original Message - From: Tom AKA James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] shipping I don't get ebay, one well known over seas seller has a $25 shipping fee, that's fine, but if another seller sells an identical meteorite at the same starting price, but with $2 shipping, form what I have seen
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom
Here HERE! I second that motion. Please old wise and wonderful Proud Tom, grace us with your vast knowledge. Mark M. Phoenix AZ At least once every human being should have to run for his life, to teach him that milk does not come from a supermarket, that safety does not come from policemen, and that news is not something that happens to other people. - Robert Heinlein - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Dear Proud Tom: Greetings comrade, and congratulations on your well-deserved 2004 Harvey Award. I'm sorry you weren't able to accept it in person. Steve Campo Sales sale now on Arnold Chicago USA! is keeping it safe for you, in a box under his bed, next to some radioactive Brahin. I emailed you a question ages ago -- a really important one -- and have yet to receive a reply. Oh woe is me! We need information, and by hook or by crook we'll get it. I think the Meteorite List truly needs your wisdom and nitric acid wit, oh wise Proud Tom. What with the American election coming up, the uproar about the alleged Campo Sales/Pultusk/Tessera de Bastardo fraud and all the rest of it, where is a collector to turn for reliable info and really good Photoshop caricatures? Gasp! I was speaking with Island Meteorite owner, Geoff Cintron -- just yesterday -- and he told me he would even consider re-joining the Meteorite List if Proud Tom were to post another one of his phantom websites. Whaddya say? = Geoff N., Tucson, AZ 85741 The Radioactive Collector Proud Tom Fan #0001 website url http://www.rathergood.com/punk_kittens/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chinese satellite slams apartment building
Well at least they had the switches DRAWN correctly on the schematics and they did not need to worry about Metric or English mearsurements. Now they need to work on accuracy. At this rate they may never be able to HIT the moon. Mark M. Phoenix - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chinese satellite slams apartment building Heads Up! http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-10/17/content_2102407.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] alien brain
So Really what is it? It is interesting looking. I know it is not a meteorite. So can someone give me a guess? Thanks in advance, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] alien brain on 10/10/04 12:45 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is even more cool. An petrified alien brain !! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3220item=2275966026; rd =1 Skol Martin __ Don't be silly, Martin, Any paleontologist worth his salt can tell you that is the fossilized brain of Tchdensis bicuspid (alienensis variety) - a rare shark eating sea turtle common to the Triasic period. Professor Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sheath
Sterling, Silica dust is certain types of fine sand is deadly. Just breathing the stuff into your lungs can cause permanent damage to your lungs. The Silica dust in the sand has shown to cause cancer. Unfortunately for lots of children scientists/doctors figured it out too late. Thousands of playgrounds once used that sugar fine powdered white sand in sand boxes and under jungle gyms. It caused a cancer rate 18 times the normal rate in children that had exposure to the sand. It was tragic. As soon as they banned the crap from playgrounds the cancer rate dropped in those same areas within 2 school years and now the cancer rate is back to normal...if that is any good since there should not be a cancer rate for any children. California got sued for lead poisoning by some dude that played with lead, breathed the fumes and got cancer from it. His lawyers used case law to show that California was negligent by not warning people about lead and the danger exposure to lead can cause. Next time you are at Wal-Mart do me a favor. Go to sporting goods, go to the fishing section and find the plastic worms. Look for Berkley Power Bait in any style worm.LOOK at the front of the package and you will see a label that says...NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. I try to imagine what kind of MORON needs to be told that they are not real worms, they are plasticnot that I know many people that eat worms on a regular basis but if I did I hope they would be smart enough to know the difference between real worms and PLASTIC worms. Then before you put the package down, run it under your nose and take a sniffBerkley Power Worms smell like the Devils feet to humans...FISH love the smell. Then try to imaging what kind of bathwater drinking bozo would be dumb enough to need a label to tell him not to eat these nasty smelling pieces of plastic in the first placethey STINK! This world is slowly dumbing down as a wholebefore long most of the people in this world will need stupid laws to keep them safe...to quote that movie...Stupid is as stupid does. Make stupid laws to protect stupid people from their own stupidness...that's what we pay politicians for isn't it? Thanks, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Heider [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteor List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sheath Hi, Kevin, I see you live in California, which is what I suspected as I began to read your message. California has a state law requiring this labeling on all products containing any of a 600-item-long list of potential carcinogens. Many substances on this warning list are common and harmless in everyday use. For example, if you go to your garden supply store or building materials store in California and buy a bag of sand, it will display this same warning, because silica, otherwise known as sand, is considered by the State of California to be a carcinogen. My God! The whole planet is contaminated! Surely there must be someone we can sue for having dumped trillions of tons of dangerous cancer-causing sand all over our pristine planet! No doubt Sheath contains petroleum distillates; that would trigger the warning label. Is there a warning on that can of motor oil you compared it to? Is it just that the State is being particularly protective of its citizens? Not really. There are no restrictions on the sale of products with the warning label. But it does mean that if, in the year 2047, you decide to sue the manufacturer of Sheath for a cancer you believe to be caused by your exposure to his product 43 years earlier, he can point out that you were duly warned and it ain't his fault if you ignored it. Sterling K. Webb -- - Kevin Heider wrote: I went to my local gun shop yesterday to purchase some Sheath and I noticed on the side of the can that it says it contains chemicals know to cause cancer. Is Sheath any more dangerous than motor oil? I assume that I should wear gloves while applying it?Will the Sheath bound to the iron and be safe to the touch 24 hours later? I want to know just in case the kids (or I) handle the New Campo after applying the Sheath. The gun shop also carries Gun Reel SILICONE Cloth. Will this be good for applying the Sheath or is the SILICONE bad for my 5.81kg New Campo? Thank you for your time,Kevin Heider __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: GPS Recommendations
I vote for the RHINO series of personal communicators. They have 2-5 mile walkie talkie range and built in 12 channel WAAS GPS. The BEST part is that they can signal each other and relay the GPS coordiantes to one anotherreal handy if your separated into groups and out of line of site. With this you will know exactly where the other parties are. They are also reasonably priced considering you are getting two devices in one waterproof, armored, very compact unit. www.cabelas.com for the BEST price and a 30 day, NO QUESTIONS ASKED return policy for a full refund. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: GPS Recommendations Hi John, Bob and List, As Bob mentioned, I'm using an old dinosaur of a GPS -- one of the old Garmin 45's. While this unit has served me well for a decade, it has many limitations which are forcing me to get a replacement this year. Its most important drawback is pitiful memory -- it will only hold 1000 combined waypoints and track points. This is fine for a 1-day trip, but no good for a multi-day trip without a computer. So I'll be shopping for a unit that can store at least 10,000 points. (Probably all of today's units can easily handle this.) I also want it to be WAIS-enabled. Maps are nice, but not really necessary since most of the places I would meteorite hunt are pretty much featureless (by design!) anyway. Finally, I'd like it to be able to output data in a human-readable protocol (as the Garmin 45 does). That way I can easily convert it into any other protocol that mapping software (or my own software) requires. If someone has already done the legwork on evaluating Garmin and Magellan models and knows which units are compatible with these requirements, I'm all ears. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Piper, I agree...I am however being very practical. It seems that the terrorists and muslim fanatics in this world are dead set on killing all of the infidelsThat would be about 90% of the earths population(read that as you and I). I am settling on the lesser of 2 evils. Since I kinda like the way we live in the US and since I wish to remain free to worship as I see fit and since I believe that all humans should have the same rights and freedoms we have in the US I figure that it would be best if WE control the world...or at least the parts that need controlling. Otherwise you can start today, if you are a female...cover your head and face at all times in public and home, shut up as you have no opinion and are not allowed to speak unless told to, you can not have an education, you can not hold down a job or have a career. You will worship only Allah, read only the Koran and be willing to be a martyr on a moments notice. NOW doesn't that sound stupid? Let The Bin Ladens of the world run amock and that is the world. As for the Chinese going to the moonif you think there is no military strategy involved you are ignorant. We brought down the Soviet Union by developing technology for war faster than they couldStealth was the straw that broke their already broken economy. By forcing the Russians to keep up with us they could not spend enough on their population and their military at the same time. Citizens need to eat and when their form of socialism couldn't do that because the military machine needed all the money...the citizens brought about change. By launching a man into space and saying that they will go to the moon, the chinese have already succeeded in causing us to react. Already one billion dollars is being asked forgetting back to the moon is a half trillion dollars easy. Already the chinese have our population discussing how we can afford that. It could force the US into further deficit spending...which would be worse for our economy than a Chinese base on the moon. The Chinese will also be trying to secure contracts for the building of their spacecraft. Contracts with companies that may help them by giving them restricted technology. Technology that could end up in the hands of people that may use it against the world. Hell the mere fact that the Chinese put a payload big enough to carry a man into orbit means they can now EASILY deliver a nuclear warhead ACCURATELY ANYWHERE in the world...even EUROPE. Not that they couldn't already but they had not tested that yet...now they have tested their heavy lift vehicles and can put a payload into orbit and they can do it accurately. Next bollide seen over Europe could be a nuke on reentry. I am sorry if my opinions and thoughts offendit is not meant to. It is a wake up calllook aroundwe have a small number of idiots trying to kill all of us. The US does not want to control the world...we want it to be safe and FREE to control itself. As for the moonit will be a sad day in the WORLDS history when ANYTHING even remotely military is on the moonbut that day is coming. PARDON me if my selfish interests would feel better and be better served if that military is flying the good ole STARS and STRIPES! Mark Miconi Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Piper R.W. Hollier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative At 12:40 15-1-04 -0700, you wrote: I for one will feel much better if it is the good ole USA in control of the moon. If US citizens and their (p)resident were less obsessed with unilaterally dominating and controlling EVERYTHING that God has created, on the earth and off of it, they would have less to fear from the Chinese. Piper Hollier US citizen resident in Europe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
BRAVO! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative "MommyMommywhat are those?" "Don't stare sweetiethey're just angry liberals. They don't know any better." * EVERYBODY read Howard's links. Do it now. Don't just read the Mars story, read them all. I can't wait until Nov. to vote (again) against this idiot Chimp some call the President of the US Randy From: Howard Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:47:05 + (GMT) Haliburton and Mars? http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=8473 Howard Wu
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Bush is looking at one contigency onlyand that is if China beats us back to the moon we will have the largest COMMUNIST NUKE owning country in command of the moon. Our strategic command of the skies will be gone, as will the safety of our satellites, both commercial and military. Possesion is 99% of the rule. Once any country sets up a permanent base on the moon they will have command of the high ground. I for one will feel much better if it is the good ole USA in control of the moon. Just my paranonia showing through. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: Martin Altmann ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be left behind, so says Bush's science advisors. Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one way. Howard WuMartin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Christopher Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour
Well Then. Get walking and leave the Hupes alone. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour I just can't imagine anyone complaining about eyestrain after a cold find. I'd walk through hell and smile afterwards. Dear Mark and List Members, You are not kidding when you say most of the dry lake beds have black and red volcanic rocks everywhere. We literally had to search through tens of thousands of these black rocks to find the unreported strewn field. These dry lake expeditions are not for the faint-of-heart. To be somewhat successful you have to hike at least 10 miles a day zig-zagging from black rock to rock. Separating meteorites from the lava stones can cause eye strain and the cold wind howling through these areas can cause wind burn. We searched seven dry lake beds, drove over 800 miles and must have hiked at least a hundred miles to find three stones so an extreme level of patience is required. In other words, these dry lake finds do not come easy. All the best, Adam Hupe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Group
How Mussolini of you.Who would want to associate themselves with you. Why not take a big deep breath and hold it till we all apply to be on your list? Here is a hintyour dirty bathwater is not for drinking. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Collectors [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Collectors Associations [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Group Hello to all ( nearly ) I have open a new meteorite group where nearly all it invites to participate. Many have received the demand via email, the others will be able to be enrolled visiting the site here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RealMetCollectors/ for subscribe send a email to this address and I see if accept or not the person: [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks and Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom is Back!
Matteo, You could not be more wrong about anything and everything. You have clearly shown that there is no limit to human ignorance and no matter what I will NEVER buy a single thing from you. You have absolutely no credibility with me or most of this list. Why do you not just crawl back into what ever rectum you slid out of. I am personally sick of you...and have permanently added you to my blocked list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom is Back! if you like many this joke, send to me a your photo and a build for you a similar Tom Idiot site therefore then you laugh of taste --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks like Proud Tom is NOT back. I tried to go to the site and got an error message. It WAS back, but Matteo no like joke and apparently had it shut down. Evidently he feels comfortable pronouncing what is Acceptable To Be Seen and what isn't, and we must all bow to him. Gregory = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saw One Fireball
That was my wife's wallet re-entering the atmosphere after her out of this world spending spree for Xmas! Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Saw One Fireball Well, I finally got to see a small fireball during twilight tonight at 5:26 PST. In the NE Quad about 15 deg. above the horizon and streaking due East. After it entered the atmosphere, it lasted for about 3 seconds and I saw a few particles fall off and trail behind. Bright green and white glow. It extingquished about 5 degrees above the horizon. Location, Barstow, CA. Really nice sight that was. John
Re: [meteorite-list] US going back to the moon????
Oh no not another Democrat! When you all gonna quit SNIVELLING and find a real candidate for the election? Look at it as another reason for you all to tax and spend. At least Al Gore finally got out from under the bed he climbed under on 9/11now if he only knew the difference between Leiberman and Dean. The moon is a place to startMaybe when we get there we will be able to find a Democrat to run for President. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] US going back to the moon Top 11 reasonsBUSH wants to go to the moon: 11. Even his imagination is 40 years behind. 10. His ranch has even more barren landscapes than those used to film the "moon landings" at LBJ's. 9. Just finished reading "Goodnight, Moon." 8. Halliburton lobbying to "rebuild" it. 7. Running out of places not to find Saddam Hussein, bin Laden, the Anthrax killer, the White House traitor, the Prescription Drug Plan briber... 6. No need to set up free speech zones when he arrives. 5. Couldn't think of a less useful scientific endeavor. 4. Need to find more places to export American jobs. 3. Scientists whom Bush cites to refute global warming also believe the moon is made of crude oil and beer. 2. It's the perfect test for his hydrogen-powered car. 1. It's faster, cheaper and easier than getting out of Iraq. Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: EBay analysis (preliminary)
Out of the electronic darkness echos a voice of reason. I have got news for all of you...there are companies compiling this data and selling it to ebay sellers. I received an offer in my email about a month ago. They offer several levels of data, you pick the categories and they supply the data. I do not sell meteorites...we do antiques, collectibles and other stuff. You can be sure that I am watch every dealer I have identified that is in the Phoenix area. Many of them I am bidding against at local auctions, not too mention estate sales. I also watch the heavy hitters on certain high end items to see the current price trends...who is selling what and who is buying at what price. In antique cut glass item prices can fluctuate $100.00-$300.00 in only weeks. Nothing like paying $300.00 for a piece that was selling for $800.00 only to find that this week/month it will only fetch $400.00. Not that $100.00 profit is bad...but tying up $300.00 to make $100.00 is not the way to make money. What is everyone so uptight about is beyond me. Seems like a perfect waste of stress time. Again...this is my opinion...I am a privacy freak, but this wouldn't and doesn't bother me. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: EBay analysis (preliminary) Jamie, Mike all list members, Any and all of you may be as offended as you please, however, Jamie has done absolutely nothing to violate anyone's privacy. All data he has provided IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. All he has done is organize it in a more comprehensive manner for the meteorite community. If you have an issue, it is with eBay, not with Jamie. Additionally, I find this information both interesting and informative and appreciate reading it. It IS one of the many topics appropriate to the list - it is a definite indication of one level of the meteorite market and, therefore, totally appropriate for the list. Those who feel otherwise can always use the old delete key. Other than my statement that I, personally, enjoy having this information provided, the statements contained here are not a matter of opinion, they are matters of fact. This is public information and appropriate for the list. People can have all the opinions about that they want, it still won't change the reality that those are facts. I can be of the opinion that 2 + 2 = 3. I can be offended that 2 + 2 = 4. That does not mean that 2 + 2 does not = 4. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/29/03 4:53 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just saw this in Prague. I am quite offended by the public posting of my information. If you want to take the time and do that research, ok, but making it public here is no one's business. DO NOTY put me in that information again. It might even be against ebay policy. I will research that when I get home. Mike Farmer --- RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should this be considered a true invasion of privacy even if all the information that was used in the analysis is available to anyone who wants to obtain it? It's not like this is confidential information being spewed without the persons consent. Or is it? : / -Ryan - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Let me be the first to agree that this is an invasion of privacy. This is also not the place for ebay analysis. We have been there and done that with another former list member Randy From: Jamie Stephens To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:06:43 -0600 Listees, On the dealer/collector spectrum, I'm at the collector end. I haven't yet sold any meteorites (but I do need to thin out my collection a bit). Anyway, I am interested in the meteorite market dynamics. It's fun. Targeting Ebay, I exercised some software tools I have. I looked at completed Meteorites, Tektites category completed sales from 2003-10-10 to 2003-10-25 (the data that Ebay keeps easily available). Here are some interesting stats: [CAVEAT: I haven't thoroughly validated these results. Please consider them preliminary.] Items ended: 2036 Items sold: 1035 Number of unique sellers: 169 Number of unique winners: 413 Number of unique bidders: 815 Total sold: $57,951.60 Most expensive item sold: $6,736.00 More data below. I plan to start collecting data over time to see trends. If you're interested in the result, let me know. I'll post if there's sufficient interest. I'm mostly interested in the demand side. Are more people bidding on meteorites? What else are they
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: EBay analysis (preliminary)
Thank you - Original Message - From: Grant L. Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: EBay analysis (preliminary) MIKE, Tax returns are not public information- GRANT ELLIOTT - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: EBay analysis (preliminary) Well, in that case, We could look up all oyoiur information that is publicly available and post it here. taxes, etc etc etc. Just because it is public if you want to try, does not mean that it should be posted for all to see. Mike Farmer --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie, Mike all list members, Any and all of you may be as offended as you please, however, Jamie has done absolutely nothing to violate anyone's privacy. All data he has provided IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. All he has done is organize it in a more comprehensive manner for the meteorite community. If you have an issue, it is with eBay, not with Jamie. Additionally, I find this information both interesting and informative and appreciate reading it. It IS one of the many topics appropriate to the list - it is a definite indication of one level of the meteorite market and, therefore, totally appropriate for the list. Those who feel otherwise can always use the old delete key. Other than my statement that I, personally, enjoy having this information provided, the statements contained here are not a matter of opinion, they are matters of fact. This is public information and appropriate for the list. People can have all the opinions about that they want, it still won't change the reality that those are facts. I can be of the opinion that 2 + 2 = 3. I can be offended that 2 + 2 = 4. That does not mean that 2 + 2 does not = 4. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/29/03 4:53 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just saw this in Prague. I am quite offended by the public posting of my information. If you want to take the time and do that research, ok, but making it public here is no one's business. DO NOTY put me in that information again. It might even be against ebay policy. I will research that when I get home. Mike Farmer --- RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should this be considered a true invasion of privacy even if all the information that was used in the analysis is available to anyone who wants to obtain it? It's not like this is confidential information being spewed without the persons consent. Or is it? : / -Ryan - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Let me be the first to agree that this is an invasion of privacy. This is also not the place for ebay analysis. We have been there and done that with another former list member Randy From: Jamie Stephens To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:06:43 -0600 Listees, On the dealer/collector spectrum, I'm at the collector end. I haven't yet sold any meteorites (but I do need to thin out my collection a bit). Anyway, I am interested in the meteorite market dynamics. It's fun. Targeting Ebay, I exercised some software tools I have. I looked at completed Meteorites, Tektites category completed sales from 2003-10-10 to 2003-10-25 (the data that Ebay keeps easily available). Here are some interesting stats: [CAVEAT: I haven't thoroughly validated these results. Please consider them preliminary.] Items ended: 2036 Items sold: 1035 Number of unique sellers: 169 Number of unique winners: 413 Number of unique bidders: 815 Total sold: $57,951.60 Most expensive item sold: $6,736.00 More data below. I plan to start collecting data over time to see trends. If you're interested in the result, let me know. I'll post if there's sufficient interest. I'm mostly interested in the demand side. Are more people bidding on meteorites? What else are they bidding on? Etc. Of course, I'm only looking at EBay -- as opposed to the large number of direct deals that I can't see. Some folks might gripe that I'm invading privacy. Yes? If so, lemme know. I can obfuscate identities. But folks can
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis
Sterling, Great piece...but you forgot one thing...Ebay gets paid for each transaction that occurs and for every item listed...therefore it is reasonable that the listing and transaction data at some level is recorded and retained for their own income/tax purposes. At some level ebay has to be able to account for every penny they make...they are afterall a PUBLICLY HELD company. That alone makes every inch of their bookkeeping and what happens on their site open to public scrutiny. Now I doubt they keep individual records of every seller for listing fees, but at some level every penny they receive is recorded and REPORTED. Ebay does not make all there money from auctions either...they are a branded name and sell those rights, they allow third party advertising and popups, and they want to sell their product as a whole to investors/advertisers so you can bet that what happens on their venues is collected, analyzed, manipulated, scraped and made available in many forms and if they are smart they are charging for it to offset the cost of producing that data. I enjoyed reading your post...you made lots of good points. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jamie Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis This is a re-post of a message I sent yesterday. It never showed up on the List back to me. If you did get a copy, please delete, as it's the same. Sorry if I clutter your Inbox. Hi, I too am not-a-lawyer, but there are a couple of points worth considering. 1) eBay does indeed position itself as a venue. It is the original primordial marketplace, where sellers from far-away lands spread their wares on their saddle blankets and wait for a buyer, so to speak, like the bazaar in Timbuctoo, brought to the Web. The WWW is a VERY PUBLIC PLACE. It was intended to be, continues to be, and (hopefully) will continue to be. Whether one comes to it as a business like eBay or as a private citizen, there is NO REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY for either party. To demonstrate that this is a fact one has only to consider that all transactions on the WWW which are desired to be PRIVATE are accomplished by secured documents, like when you dash off to PayPal to pay for that newly acquired treasure. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy and there is none (privacy, that is). Just as if you were walking down a major thoroughfare and someone pointed a camera at you. Is there anything you can do to prevent it? No. It's a public place. 2) eBay makes plentiful provision for anyone who truly desires privacy. Both sellers and buyers have user id's which could be kept completely isolated from their identities if the user wished it so. Very few do. A seller, for example, who has a catchy user id but also has prepared and presented an About ME! page which has their actual name, address, phone number, age, career highlights, hobbies and interests, and flattering photos, and which looks like a resume, can hardly protest that being publically observed is a violation of their privacy! All they are actually saying is that they wish to control their public relations, to have you know what they want to be known about them but nothing else, however public it may be. Doesn't work that way... in public. 3) Jamie refers to the data that eBay keeps easily available, that is, transactions within the past thirty days but seems to believe that older data still exists. I suggest that he is mistaken in this and that the primary data of item sales is largely gone. eBay may store data back 90 days or even six months in some form, but I would be willing to bet that longterm data is not kept, nor is it legally required to be kept, as eBay only facilitates a transaction between other parties and does not conduct that transaction itself, as they take great pains to explain to the users. Does the man who rents the stalls in the bazaar keep track of every detail of a vendor's sales? Remember that eBay tells you if you want a record of a transaction, it is your responsibility to print it out, which implies the non-existence of any permanent record and their non-responsibility to provide one. And if it is true that eBay does not hold proprietary accumulated data of the sales, it follows that either they hold it to be of no worth or that they hold it to be strictly a matter between other parties. Either way, they cannot argue that they then have a compelling interest in it, its accumulation, dissemination, etc., etc. eBay, after all, is not selling nor buying anything. They ask only to wet their beak as the goods and money are carried in and out of the marketplace. Apart from the technical means used to collect the data (robots), the only provision Jamie might have been
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary)
John, You are comparing apples to oranges. If someone is so concerned that others might now what they are buying on ebay they should not buy on ebay. Hearing about the sordid details of a divorce or a DUI is hardly the same as Ebay data. Mark - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jamie Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mark Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteoritelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary) List Members, I've been sitting back quietly watching this thread get over-baked over the past few days and finally decided I'd step in a make a comment. In his remarks, Jamie talks about his potential right to publish data that is extracted from publicly available documents. Personally, I believe that with this right comes a lot of responsibility. For example, did you know that if you've ever been a party in a divorce, arrested and charged with a crime, or been to Tax Court, the written records of those proceedings are public information? That is, unless the judge in the case sealed the records, which is rarely done. That means that I, or someone else, could access all court records involving Meteorite List members throughout the United States and publish those findings. Now wouldn't that be lovely? We'd know who the drunk drivers and the wife beaters were and we could sit in our chairs and snicker about all the nasty accusations that are part of every divorce trial. No thanks, I don't need to see it...even if it is publicly available information. You see, there is no beneficial value in doing so. Rather, it sounds like a good way to loose a bunch of friends to me. I don't see any real value to compiling information about Ebay sellers and purchasers either. Sure, you can figure out what's been selling well and what hasn't, and you can find out who has been spending the most money on meteorites lately...so what? Do you contact these buyers and offer to sell them more meteorites? I'm pretty sure that would be a violation of Ebay rules. How many list members are forty-hour-a-week Meteorite Market Analists anyway? Someone else mentioned something about getting a life. I vote for that. Best to all...but tired of the thread, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
I thought I would chime in on this subject...while reading this keep in mind that I do not sell meteorites on any kind of regular basis. One point that is the MOST important that I did not see in this discussion (might have missed it) is that it is the BUYERS responsibility to ASK about the shipping costs before bidding. Email the seller, ask how it will be shipped, ask the cost, and if you do not get a satisfactory answerGO SOMEWHERE ELSEit is that simple. Tell the seller if they tell you it will be shipped by Priority Mail and it is shipped first class that you will notify the Postal Inspector. If you are charged for a certain mail class and they ship by another cheaper mail class that is mail fraud...a Felony. I know this as I have the regulations here because I am licensed to print my own postage. I also know that the USPS takes this seriously as I have reported just such a violation on 2 cases and both times received a refund from the seller. You have to ask questionspin down the seller as to the type of postage and the amount and then make them stick to it. If they screw you even after doing that...leave a negative and contact the postal inspector. Bidders do not like to see negative feedback comments about being overcharged for a mail class that the seller did not use. By emailing the seller and having them reply to you about the type of shipping you will be using you have in writing their admission to the crime when they ship with a different mail class. That is all the postal inspector needs and that is the only evidence I needed that and the box with the postage and addresses on the box. What I do not understand is how anyone can buy anything on Ebay without emailing the seller if they have a question. Would you buy a car that is missing a door if the saleman acted as though the door was there? Of course not...you would ask if the car will have the door if you buy it. Would you buy a house without asking questions about it? If you would contact meI have some property JUST for you. Everyone using ebay has to use the gray matter in their head. Look at the item, know what it is you are buying, know what the cost will be, and then ASK lots of questions if you have them, if you do not ask then it is YOUR fault if you get shafted. In the case of our items...mostly all fragile..we charge a handling fee. The fee covers our cost of packing materials. We also state very clearly that we charge a handling fee. That is where we differ from most sellers that charge more than the cost of the postage. On fragile items we charge for the popcorn and the bubblewrap per usage. On non breakable items such as books we use media mail and charge only postage. We use mainly Priority Mail...if you pay for priority we use priority. On item that require a special box we charge for the box and say so in the description. We pack items with great care and use only the proper materials...that costs us money and we pass the cost on to the consumer. We could add it to the starting price of the item, we prefer to charge it after the sale and tell the bidder the extra costone bidder in 100 complains and they are usually the type that would have us ship a glass plate in a padded envelope. Most people opt out of insuring their item and our extra care means that their risk is lessened. We finally had our first item damaged this year by shippingit was insured and the buyer will have the claim money in less than 10 days. If the item does not need bubblewrap and popcorn...such as linen...then you pay what my scale says in my postage software and that is all. Now that I have typed too much on the subject my point is ASK the proper questions, if you do not get the proper responseSAVE your money for another day. Thanks for listening, Mark M. Phoenix AZ Ebay ID = desertcrystal - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Hi Tom and all, Most meteorite dealers I know charge EXACTLY the cost of shipping. Some use 3rd class mail - others 1st class - others priority. Some include the cost of shipping - most pay for shipping on orders over $1,000. But I know of NO meteorite dealers who charge handling fees - which are nothing less than, I got you and there isn't anything you can do about it - it ticks me off no end. If a dealer INCLUDES shipping, you can be SURE you are paying for it in the price - he can't stay in business without covering costs - that is as fundamental as it gets. However, I got the impression your gripe was mostly with non-meteorite dealers - and I'm with you, charging a handling fee is charging you for buying from them ON TOP of the item cost and shipping costs. Now, a packaging fee is different, and in SOME instances can be warranted - when the
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: latest virus wave
I must be lucky, I have not received a single email with the virus. It must be a credit to my ISP and the fact that I am behind a firewall. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'M come Meteorite Meteorites ' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Pekka Savolainen ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Meteorite List ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: latest virus wave Hi All, Regarding sobig.f and the latest wave of viruses, Matteo wrote: I am full of this emails in my ebay email, at 20 for day. Consider yourself fortunate. At the peak, I was getting 30 per hour. It is clear from the pattern of spoofed sender e-mail addresses that at least one of our list members was infected, and still is. Unfortunately, this virus takes advantage of the six degrees of separation theory -- that we are all connected to every other human being on the planet by only 6 connections. (It's probably more than this when confined to the internet -- perhaps 7 or 8 -- but you get the idea.) Just consider how many addresses you have in your e-mail address book and raise that to the 6th, 7th or 8th power. Even allowing for redundancy and the (now) small fraction of vulnerable computers, it doesn't take long before every e-mail address is covered. Given the loss in worldwide productivity, the culprit or culprits if ever caught should be sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dBay screwed up
In defense of Ebay they were back up in record time, with little or no database degredation. How many of you can say that about the system were you work? Try walking into your computer center and pulling the plug with no warning and see how long it takes to recover. After 10 years in the IT industry I can tell you that Ebay has their system architecture well designed. Think for one moment about the size of the server farm they have. And they stand by it...if at any time they are down for two hours or more they credit the fees and extend the auctions. I for one take my hat off to them. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] dBay screwed up Hi, Remember, the new eBay pages say very prominently: POWERED BY IBM I believe it... Sterling K. Webb -- --- Adam Hupe wrote: Ebay suffered a total power outage at there main hosting facilities. They are slowly coming back online but things probably will be screwed up for days. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check]
Ken, The actual email to forward this to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Ebay will send it through if you used [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is for when another ebay user spams you about their auctions through ebays mail system. Thanks for the heads up. Mark M. - Original Message - From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check] All, Sorry for this being OT, but I just got this scam in the mail. The quality is EXCELLENT. It is so good, I had to check the header - Bucharest, Romania Newbies take note! Best, ken newton (PS - Yes, I did forward this [EMAIL PROTECTED]) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nice ebay meteorites ending tonight $10,000 worth of meteorites ending
Nice AuctionsAs for the spam Virtually 99.99% of it comes from outside the US. Go to www.spamcop.net sign up for free. Use the service and they show you exactly where it comes from. Most of it comes from .HK (HongKong) or .BR(Brazil). One of the bigeest offenders in the world is an ISP that is www.nic.br. About 75% of the email I report is from there. Lots from Hong Kong, Russia, and a few from countries I can not figure out yet. As long as overseas users will signup to send spam...there will be nothing done about it...off shore users can not be touched by our courts and the offending complanis using spammers will not be bother as they pay for websites and no ISP will sever the hand that pays their bills. Sending Spam is a fairly lucrative jobsome spammers make as much a $10K a monthmost make more in a month than they can in a year doing regular work in their country...beats sweat shop work making NIKE sneakers. Some of MCI's biggest routers are on the East coastMCI is the largest internet connectivity provider in the world...when they get everything back online there will most likely be a huge flood of queued spam that will hit mailboxesit is only a temporary reprive. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Nice ebay meteorites ending tonight $10,000 worth of meteorites ending I have loaded a few large and very nice pieces, Several for one cent that are worth over $1000 each! Don't miss this one. Thanks Mike Farmer http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Here is a 9 plus KILO Henbury http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2187672722category=3239; rd=1 And a Meteorite that you would never recognize! It is identical to a metal-rich brecciated Portales Valley, but isn't! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2187641659category=3239; rd=1 They all end this evening. On another note about the blackout, I hope everyone isn't suffering too much. One good thing that seems to have come of it is that SPAM virtually stopped for me over the last 30 hours. That tells me that most of it comes from the east coast! Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any Perseid reports?
I spent from sunset until 11:30pm Bass Fishing on Bartlett Lake, about 40 miles northeast of Phoenix AZ. Before the moon rose we saw approximately 20 good long streaking meteors. Once the moon rose that number dropped to 5 total until we left. Mars was awesome! For those that might be interested: The lake was glass calm, air temp near 100, water temp surface 89 degrees at sundown, 86 when we left. Fishing from float tubes...9-25 feet of water, 12 bass 2 lb range all on dropshot rigs and 4 inch texas rigged senkos. Cuban rum and cuban cigars...flat waterbats and nighthawks...good friends...lots of laughs. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Any Perseid reports? Hello List, Does anyone have any reports on what the Perseids were like last night? We've had a lot of clouds this week here in Little Rock, and were completely socked in, with light rain off and on. It doesn't look much better tonight for any after-the-peak stragglers, either. I hope others of you had better conditions (in spite of the full moon) and had a good show to share with us! Thanks. Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD
Steve, For the sake of killing any reason to argue on the list over this subject I will be clear. I WAS the person that chastised you for offering to have a seller end an auction and sell you the item off of Ebay. Thanks, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD Humm, Didn't Mike Farmer chastise me for this practice when I asked sellers of something I wanted to remove the item from Eay after I made an offer, or in right words, let's make a deal then remove it? Something about Ebay's rules. BTW-- I still hate ebay, and will always try to make a reasonable deal without it. Steve Schoner/ams --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, For those interested in astronomy and telescope equipment please read on . I have listed a pristine condition Televue 22mm panoptic eyepiece on ebay , Item # 2942995111 with no reserve. I would be willing to end the auction and sell it to someone on the list for the right amount. If anyone is interested with an offer , please let me know. Thanks Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD
Mike, I already admitted that it was I that chastised Steve. This is going on for now reason now, he has submittedsee that is him in the corner, belly up with his tail between his legs. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD Steve, you need to step back, read your emails, and punctuation markes and study what they mean. The argument started here this is your reply to me when I asked you to check your history to see it wasn't actually me. You say sorry, but then you add some conversations that had NOTHING to do with your email. It is like saying sorry, but you deserved it anyway. ] Good night Steve. (Sorry for accusing you, but I somehow I remember you chiding me for having bought meteorite slides from ebay, and thought that the remark was yours.) - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD Boy, Mike, Please do a reality check; step back from an argument that you are creating... I am sorry for the initial misquote... I wrote it several times since, and how many times do I have to continue writing it? With your correction of my memory, you are right. An apology(s) from me, and there was no malice involved, as you seem to have percieved it... So there? Where is the argument? Steve Schoner/ams --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, THAT IS EXACTLY what I did, here is my first reply. (Steve, actually it was not me, I suggest you go back and look in the archives before you accuse me. thanks Mike Farmer) Now, I suggest you look at this very simply, and not say another friggin word about what I might have said in different conversations. My points made simple 1. you used my name, and said that I said something which I did not. 2. I called you on it and said that you should go review the emails and see that I did not say what you said. 3. You got really pissy and jumped me acting as though I really jumped the gun and took it the wrong way. 4. There is only one point to this. You said I did something that Idid not, and instead of simply correcting yourself, you went into another accusation. Simply put, I don't like to be falsly accused of saying somthing that I did not. So don't turn this around on me. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD Boy, Mike... You boggle my mind... You seem to be in a bad mood today. Really, I have no argument with you... About anything, and right now, at this point in my life, I have better things to consider. Nor will I get into an a stupid argument about statements made about who said what in an argument over Ebay (which I hate). Sorry to have riled you. I honestly trusted my defective memory and attributed a statement to you which you did not make... Sorry, sorry, and really sorry. But really, the best thing to have done with me is point (politely) that I was mistaken in attributing the statement to you. No argument, and end of story... Sorry... Really. Steve Schoner/ams --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Steve, Jesus, Ill start accusing you of things you didnt do, then when you speak up, Ill try to make you look like a crybaby. That is exactly what you are doing. Hey wasnt it Steve schoner that stole some meteorites from a museum Let's see where this one goes. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Televue eyepiece AD Mike... Hold on ! I am not accusing you, nor am I in any way interested in getting into a argument. You did not say it-- fine. No problem, I stand corrected. And your argument against my stand on Ebay was noted as you said that I had bought samples there, and that my argument was against Ebay was stupid. My response was that I did that only when I had no other choice. In other words, offering to buy them after the item was removed
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay and website
Steve, Thanks for the many updatesI do believe these type of posts are supposed to have some reference to AD in the subject line. Thanks Mark M. - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay and website Hi there list.I have updated my website with 6 new specimens, NWA 1698,GUJBA, MONUMENT DRAW,GIBEON, CANYON DIABLO,and DALGARANGA.I also put a new pick of DEVIL PEAK.Also I added 4 new items to my ebay page.You can go there by clicking on the ebay link on the end of this email down by my signature.Have a great weekend all. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteoites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another ebay giggle
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] another ebay giggle The dog deaths sound like La ChupacabraGoat killer and dog shredder. The sad part of all this is at least a few have believed this story. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] another ebay giggle Not to mention the two torn apart dogs and all those chickens! Michaelon 7/26/03 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upon investigating, the grandfather found his his prized work horse dead in the coral and it's head was smouldering! When he looked closer at the horses head, he found this very meteorite lodged in the animals skull! Evidently a rare specimen of the much-prized "Equine Muerta" meteorite. ;-)http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2185278550 Gregory"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."...George W. Bush to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93--Worth Seeing:- Earth at night from satellite:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg- Interactive Lady Liberty:http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm- Earth - variety of choices:http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html --Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/MeteorCraterRimL.html--Cool Calendar Clock:http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html--Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at:http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA LOGO / E Bay
Tom, You inserted a link, not the logo. You will need to revise your auction and put the proper HTML string in place. Be careful to to violate Ebays size limit on logos. You will also have to upload the corresponding GIF or JPEG that goes with the logo. If it is not uploaded to whatever image manager you are using to store your image it will not show up. That is why the red X is showingyou have referenced an image that it can not find. If you need more help contact me directly. Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA LOGO / E Bay Hello List, I hope this is on topic enough, might be the wrong list, but the fastest responses come from this list. : ) I want to get my problem fixed as fast as possible. I copied my IMCA logo to an ebay auction and it only partly came in, any body know why? You can see the problem at; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2184983664 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Boom Rattles New York Neighborhoods
I used to live two miles from the intersection 23 years ago. Used to be housing interspersed with wooded areas. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Boom Rattles New York Neighborhoods http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/0714MH16LFJ_boom14_news.shtml Mystery boom rattles Greece neighborhoods Democrat and Chronicle (Rochester, New York) July 14, 2003 A loud sound shook houses in town Sunday morning and sent some residents scurrying into the street. However, area fire departments reported that there was nothing wrong on the ground. Several area residents in the Ridgewood Road and Benjamin Avenue area said they heard a house-rocking sound about 10:47 a.m. Sunday. Calls to two area firehouses turned up no known source of the noise; no fire calls were received at North Greece fire stations No. 1 and No. 2. One fire department member speculated that the noise was a sonic boom -- which can be generated when a plane travels faster than the speed of sound (about 742 mph at sea-level) -- and could have been created by a jet either from the U.S. or Canadian air forces. No one was available for comment from either agency on Sunday. The U.S. Coast Guard in Rochester had no information about the source of the noise. Neither did the air traffic control supervisor at the Greater Rochester International Airport. Carrie Ringland, a member of the 1941 Historical Aircraft Group in Geneseo, Livingston County, said the noise was not from a jet involved with Sunday's annual air show. We had no jets go by this morning,'' she said. We had one scheduled to fly over at 1 o'clock,'' Ringland said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] etching solution
If you dilute the acid always add the acid to the waternever the otherway around. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Pekka Savolainen To: Mark Jackson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] etching solution Hello, Mark and the list,think ferric chloride is not strong enough to etch Fe / Ni, but haven´tever tried...;-You can find a quite good recipe for the etching solution from R.O.Nortons book Rocks from Space (page 415). There is also advised,how to check Ni from the potential meteorites (page 417).You should have the nitric acid from the drug store, but if possible,please, check the recipe first, you need also some other componentsto make the mix. If you use 100 % nitric acid, the result may be, ifnot a catastrophe, but quite near to that.And even with not so strong solutions, latex gloves and goggles shouldbe worn to avoid to hurt yourself.take care,pekkaMark Jackson wrote: Dear List, I'm trying to locate etching solution capable of etching Widmanstatten patterns to view on meteorites. I understand it's nitric acid? I got the "bright" idea of checking my local electronic supply house for PC board etching solution and it seems that ferric chloride is used to etch copper from the breadboards. I got a B in college chemistryand that makes mequestion theusefulnessof using ferric chloride on a meteo(rite/wrong). Am I correct in questioning this practice? Where can I find, or how can I extract, nitric acid to use if I am correct? Many thanks, Mark Do you Yahoo!?Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic possible eBay scam
Dave and all, This is called spoofing. Immediately forward the email with the headers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and they will deal with it. I get 3 or 4 of these a month, they seem to increase with the more feedback points you have. That is all I will say ion the usbject as there has been a rash of off topic posts on the list. If anyone needs help finding the headers contact me directly. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic possible eBay scam Greetings listees. Sorry for another off topic subject, but I just received an apparent e-mail from eBay [safeharbor] stating that I have had my rights to eBay suspended for a violation of trying to log into eBay using a bogus ID, which there was no way that I did. I e-mailed eBay about this possible scam or misunderstanding and await thier reply. Has anyone else been banned lately by them or possibly been sent a false e-mail from someone else masquerading as eBay asking for your personal account information? Could someone be trying to steal our accounts since that eBay list was posted here? Maybe that wasn`t such a good idea afterall! Thanks, Dave. [indy1996] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay Likes and Dislikes
Steve, You said: I e-mailed the seller to find out if they would take it off auction so that we could work out a reasonable deal. I only bought-bid via E-bay (which I hate), because they wanted their auction to progress to conclusion. What you did by emailing a seller and asking to buy off of ebay is against the very user agreement you accepted. Most sellers will not comply with a request like this as it could mean permanent suspension. I do not know what your reason is to hate ebay and do not have the time to go through the archives to find out. Ebay is unique, it is supply and demand free market capitalism at its best, with a very healthy dose of buyer beware for good measure. My wife and I sell alot of items on Ebay...if it weren't for ebay we might not still have our home. When the dot-com bubble burst and the economy went south I was laid off. The IT/Computer industry in Arizona went south with it. My old job now has 2 or 3 other jobs lumped into its description and no company offering the postition is paying anywhere near what I used to make for the original job, let alone the extra responsibilities. Ebay has its drawbacks and yes you can get fleeced if you are stupid. However I have never had more fun at working in my life except when I was a professional gunsmith. I have never worked harder either. With Circle K, 7/11, Walmart, Kmart, Dominos, Subway, Midas, and all the other chains out there tell me where can an American these days start there own business? With Mall space leasing at $1000.00 of dollars per SqFt, Strip Malls, Chain Stores, mini-marts and million dollar franchises the country has gone to the big money. Most people think about starting their own business sometime in their livesgone are those days unless you have saved enough to buy a franchise or subscribe to the No Money Down way of buying real estate. I lost my job in the worst possible climate for doing so in this country I did not take government handouts, no welfare, no food stamps...instead I followed my immigrant heritage and have persued the American dream My wife and I took a bad situation, pooled our knowledge of computers, shopping, antiques and collectibles and added lots of hard ass work, sweat and on a couple of occasions a little blood and turned it into Desert Crystals Emporium. No Brick and Mortar, no lease for a mall space, no boss thinking about the cutting my wages, no long meetings where my upgrade proposal gets strangeled into a comprimise that will never work...no one thinking of the stockholders before the employees. I am not getting rich, not yet at least...but I do not have some goon doing his best to make me look stupid in order to get my position or make himself look better. I can look anyway I like when I go to work...no monkey suits here. My job is a full time treasure hunt...sorta like looking through a strewn fieldsometimes I find a real treasure...This year so far it was a 85 year old Bacarrat Crystal Perfume bottle...found at an estate sale for $8.00...two hours of research...20 photos and 7 days at auction to bring us $7996.00. It was once a bottle that held the most expensive perfume made...during the 1920's...lots of people collect old bottles...especially Bacarrat Crystal. Everytime I go to an auction or estate sale I look for my next treasure...to some on the list it is the next lunarto me it is the next empty bottle, 100 year old decoy, or 25 cent item that no one wants anymore. I answer only to ME...I am responsible for my own success. Could we have done it without Ebay?sure, maybe we could. But it would have meant risking alot more than we did. To those that do not like the fact that ebay eliminates the face to face businessI can tell you from many years of working in my uncles resturant, and a gunshop that face to face isn't all it is cracked up to be. Most of the people I dealt with in both of those businesses were always trying to get over, get something for next to nothing or for free. They always wanted to be treated like they were the only customer we ever had and without their income we would be out of business. Well let me tell you...Ebay eliminates all of that crap. My rules for my auctions appear on every auction...they are as simple as I can make them, they apply always...my customers either follow them or they auction is void. I have plenty of repeat customers, but they do not keep me alive...they get discounts, they get notices ahead of time telling them items are in that they may want to buy. But they do not keep me alive in business. Ebay gives me worldwide exposure7 million potential customers everyday. No where on earth is that possible and for all of its minor hassles and costsIt is still the way to having your own business. That is my take on itplease in the future try to obey the rules if you use ebaysome of the reasons people do not like ebay is that they think some are getting away with NOT following the
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Likes and Dislikes
I do $80,000.00 gross a year on Ebay. It beats the hell out of the Computer/IT work I was laid off from. I would do much better if the economy would ever pickup and we only began allowing itnernational bidders this summer, we had to stop after 9/11 as there was a serious slowdown in customs after the attack. Ebay has its pros and cons, some things need improvement. I am enjoying working again. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Likes and Dislikes Adam and list, I saw a segment on the Today Show, I believe it was yesterday's edition, about a guy who lived out west, and who was selling a theme park that had been owned and operated by his family for years. He chose eBay over any number of local real estate agents. When asked why, he replied because eBay allowed him to reach the entire world. As of the airing of the Today segment, bidding had reached 4 million dollars. As a result of listing his property on eBay, interested parties with a serious interest were flying great distances to inspect the property and business. Ebay brought those interested parties to his doorstep. It's been called the world's largest fleamarket. Somewhere in excess of 100,000 people earn a full time living off eBay. And with the introduction of the buy-now option, it's not just an auction format anymore, but a world-wide virtual retail shopping mall as well. And it let's the little guy, not just the full-timers, earn a buck now and then with an ease never before possible before this virtual market existed. Well, I don't own stock in eBay, and a person's likes and dislikes are their own business But clearly, in the internet era, eBay was an idea waiting to happen. Wish it had been my idea. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chicago Country Club Letters
Mark, I can not help in the search but will suggest one thing. In your letter I would suggest some sort of language that releases them from all liability if someone falls in a hole. Most places of this type want responsibility from you for damage and to be released from any liability from injury or loss of any type. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Mark Jackson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chicago Country Club Letters Dear List, I am drafting letters to the Calumet, Ravisloe, Cherry Hills, Flossmoor, Idlewild and Olympia Fields Country Clubsseeking official permission to conduct scientific, non-destructive searches of thier groundsafter the first snow of the season. I will emphasize our interest in leaving everything as carefully restored as possible, with no searching or digs in important areas such as fringes, greens and teeboxes. I will also intimate some monetary benefit to the Club depending on what is found on thier property. Does anyone wish to be included as participants for purposes of this search? Regards, Mark Do you Yahoo!?Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
[meteorite-list] OT- BUT IMPORTANT Ebay problem with feedback
Sorry that this is off topic but I though I would share this for the sellers on the list. I have found that feedback that I left for bidders on 7/4/03 did not show up on their feedback comments in at least 2 occasions. It shows in my feedback that I left for them in my "Feedback Left For Others" but not on their files, anywhere. The count did not change, the comment did not show up. It happened on one of my best repeat spends alot customers...which is par for the course. Anyone that left feedback for clients on 7/4/03 I suggest you check to see if it showed up on their account. Go to your feedback fileunder the box with the numbers closest to the right marging is "Feedback left for others" click on that and scrool down to 7/4/03 and then click on the feedback number for each of your customers and check to see if the comment you left showed up. I have reported this to Ebay tonightOne has to wonder if it happened to one seller twice...did it happen to other sellers. To me feedback is the part of ebay that separates it from all the other sales sights on the net and I leave it for every bidder...without it you might as well just send your money to strangers at random. I will update anyone that requests to be updtaed when I get a response from Power Seller support. Sorry to post off topic. Thanks Mark M. Phoenix AZ
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
Rob, AOL and MSN both sell email addresses to companies to offset costs of their services. MSN is in court now due to their PC discount offers they were using in the statesbasically when you bought a PC at Best Buy or Circuit City you would get $400.00-$700.00 off the price of the PC if you signed up for 2 years of MSN. My mother fell for this and she was receiving 50-80 nasty emails a day from spammers. I tried everything I mentioned in my last email to eliminate the poblem. She hardly uses the internet and had no cookies. Somewhere there is a class action suit filed against MSN for selling email addresses during that discount program...MSN claims that they were forced to sell the email addresses to offset the costs of the discounts. Both AOL and MSN are trying to makeup for their selling email addresses by offering their new versions with SPAM Filters. NOT very effective if they are still selling your email addressthat is why your sons email had spam in it 12 hours later. Try using the software I suggested in my last email and that should help, but it will never go away while you are using AOL or MSN...especially AOL as they are doing everything they can to keep from going bankrupt. If you need tech support email me and I will help where I can. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change In a message dated 08/07/03 17:09:51 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About six months ago, I was getting as much spam as I was getting mail from this list. I changed my ISP and started off with a different email address and had remarkable results. For the first three months, I got almost no spam. Then the numbers started increasing. Maybe the solution is to change your email address a couple of times a year.Hi John and all.A few weeks ago, I was looking over my 16 year old son's shoulder while he was online, and noticed that he was deleting several spam emails from his mailbox..some of which had some pretty ominous sounding subject lines!! Not wanting him to be exposed to this kind of stuff, I insisted that I closed his AOL email address and opened up a new one for him. He wasn't particularly impressed by this idea, but I had the last word on the matter ;-)His new AOL email address took only a few moments to set up and everything seemed fine. Unfortunately, when he went online with his new email address the very next morning, the spammers had already left him a couple of emails.Given that his new email address had only existed for a matter of 12 hours or so and that he hadn't sent any emails yet, it looks as though the spammers are always one step ahead of us!Cheers,Rob.Rob Elliottwww.meteorites.uk.comFernlea Meteorites,The Wynd,Off Dickson Lane,Milton of Balgonie,Fife. KY7 6PYUnited KingdomTel: +44-(0)1592-751563Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991Mobile: 07909-773929Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
Marcie, The URL you gave below is wrong...it should be: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/. Mark - Original Message - From: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change Dear Walter and John and List, The U.S. Dept. of Energy since 1995, has had a Hoax page, that covers every known and updated scam letter scheme and who you can report these to, to eliminate them. It's good to keep and check in with every now and then, and be aware of, Before you become a victim. The letters you are both mentioning come under the corruption scams, in their CIAC Catagorie Page. They stay right on top of everything . Two of the newer scams listed, in this catagorie, are the Pay-pal update scam, and the E-Bay scam. The address is : http://hoax-busters.ciac.org Definatley worth checking out for nuisance letters or other questionable chain letters. Hope this helps. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
Marcia, Thanks by the way...it was an interesting site. Mark - Original Message - From: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change Dear Mark and List, As Mark was so kind to inform me, I gave out the wrong URL earler today, for hoaxbusters. It is actually : http://hoaxsbusters.ciac.org/. Thank you Mark, and please excuse the error folks. I'm not working off a home p.c., but snailing it through with webtv, so alot is different. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay theft! My description.
Mike, If you did receive a payment through PayPal and do not intend to keep the moneygo to the payment, click on it to show the details and at the bottom there will be a "REFUND" link that will instantly refund the payment to the buyer. That way it shows that the money was returned and you do not get charged any fees. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Ryan Darby ; MARK BOSTICK ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay theft! My description. I dont think that will happen, I reported the guy to ebay, and through powersellers, we have opened an investigation. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Ryan Darby To: MARK BOSTICK ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteorite List Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay theft! My description. Is there any risk that Mike can get into trouble as the buyer isnt going to receive anything, but has paid and the money has ended up with Mike? This could turn out to be a problem if ebay starts investigating, and does not know Mike or his good reputation. At the very least they may freeze his account. The risk here is that ebay thinks the seller and Mike are in cahoots. Id get in touch with this seller really quickly. -Original Message-From: MARK BOSTICK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 7 July 2003 3:53 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite ListSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay theft! My description. Dave wrote: Again Mike got payed for it via his PayPal link. I think I'd swap personal info with this bozo just to see who it is. Strange indeed. Hello Mike, David, Gregory and list, That is really kinda funny. His meteorite auctions seem to have went well...maybe we should submit him to one of the stupid criminal things...if the bidder did use pay pal. Let hope he gets stopped before he starts thinking too hard and figures out his error. Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
Steve, The request is unreasonable. I have a house full of items I paid too much for, I have no expectation of getting my money back from the palces I purchased them from. One example: Cabelas...I bought Abu Garcia's New EON Baitcasting reel the first year it came out...I am a southpaw so I had to wait for a left hand version. I paid $119.00, which was below retail.One month later the price dropped to $89.95. Cabelas offers a 60 day guarantee no questions asked refund policy. I actually could have returned the reel saying it did not feel right, waited a couple of weeks and bought the same reel for less. I did not do that because it is wrong. Now they make a better model in a low profile design that is $89.95. Is it right for me to ask for a new model and a refund? I think not. You sold the item, the person bought the item. The item is real, you guarantee it is real. Just because he can get the same thing for less does not make it your responsibility to refund him. People all over the world buy items that are not worth what they pay for them, or that loose value or that can be had for less money from another dealer. Unless you guarantee the price, you are not obligated in any way to refund his money. Tell him to drain his bathwater and stop drinking it. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds Hello List,I have an ethical question I would like to get some feedback on.I just got a request from a customer that I give him a refund for a specimen he purchased a month or so ago from me that he wants to return now. His request was not based on the fact that the specimen was damaged or otherwise in a different condition than described when it was sold to him.The request he felt was justified because he thinks the specimen is now not worth as much as he paid for it bach then. He seems to think he can get the same thing for a lower price elsewhere. So I assume he wants the refund to go buy the other cheaper specimen to replace the one he wants to give back to me.While I do guarantee authenticity and that the specimens are as described on all my specimens I sell, I do not have a Walmart style lowest price guarantee, that the person cannot find a similar specimen somewhere else in the present or in the future for a lower price. If someone bought something and didn't like it for whatever reason and wanted to return it promptly for a refund, that would be one thing but this is another.I find this refund request unreasonable and bordering on unethical. A similar but opposite request would be if I would contact buyers a month after I sold them a specimen and demanded that they let me buy back a specimen I sold them a month earlier because new information tells me that I sold it to them too cheap and that if I had it back at the price I sold it, I could turn around and sell it to someone for an even higher price. That request would be absurd.As I recall, there is just one dealer that offers a written lifetime guarantee to buy back any specimens at the customers purchase prices. However, one would expect that having a stated guarantee such as that would help such a dealer to generate more than enough extra sales to cover the losses when a meteorite genuinely drops in value and a few people decide to take that dealer up on his offer. But without offering that incentive to make all the extra sales along the way, a dealer could go bankrupt giving refunds on demand for price fluctuation reasons.I guess my question is, how would some of the other dealers respond to such a request? Has anyone had such a request nade if them? And for collectors out there, do you feel making such a request (and expecting it to be fulfilled) is reasonable? Would a direct purchase be different from an ebay purchase?Steve Arnold
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
You could also charge him a restocking fee of 35%. I think that if you do that you are adding validity to his claim. Bottomline is he has no right to ask. Mark M. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds Hello List,I have an ethical question I would like to get some feedback on.I just got a request from a customer that I give him a refund for a specimen he purchased a month or so ago from me that he wants to return now. His request was not based on the fact that the specimen was damaged or otherwise in a different condition than described when it was sold to him.The request he felt was justified because he thinks the specimen is now not worth as much as he paid for it bach then. He seems to think he can get the same thing for a lower price elsewhere. So I assume he wants the refund to go buy the other cheaper specimen to replace the one he wants to give back to me.While I do guarantee authenticity and that the specimens are as described on all my specimens I sell, I do not have a Walmart style lowest price guarantee, that the person cannot find a similar specimen somewhere else in the present or in the future for a lower price. If someone bought something and didn't like it for whatever reason and wanted to return it promptly for a refund, that would be one thing but this is another.I find this refund request unreasonable and bordering on unethical. A similar but opposite request would be if I would contact buyers a month after I sold them a specimen and demanded that they let me buy back a specimen I sold them a month earlier because new information tells me that I sold it to them too cheap and that if I had it back at the price I sold it, I could turn around and sell it to someone for an even higher price. That request would be absurd.As I recall, there is just one dealer that offers a written lifetime guarantee to buy back any specimens at the customers purchase prices. However, one would expect that having a stated guarantee such as that would help such a dealer to generate more than enough extra sales to cover the losses when a meteorite genuinely drops in value and a few people decide to take that dealer up on his offer. But without offering that incentive to make all the extra sales along the way, a dealer could go bankrupt giving refunds on demand for price fluctuation reasons.I guess my question is, how would some of the other dealers respond to such a request? Has anyone had such a request nade if them? And for collectors out there, do you feel making such a request (and expecting it to be fulfilled) is reasonable? Would a direct purchase be different from an ebay purchase?Steve Arnold
Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson
Actually Steve we are in a cycle. I just watched a show on Cox Channel 9 and this drought is just one of many that occur in cycles. Arizona has seen much worse droughts in the past. We are currently 60% through this cycle. Our wildfire problem is due to very poor forest management by humans who have traditionally tried to stop wildfires. Our forests have been saved from small fires for so long that they are no clogged with fuel that would have normally been cleaned up by small fires. Our tree density is way past what it should be for healthy forests. Global warming remains an issue for the Earth as a wholebut it has very little to do with what is happening here in Arizona. If you review the climate data for Arizona and this region of the US you will see a cyclic pattern that has existed since before the industrial waste was a problem. The west has had droughts thoughout time, just ask the native americans...the Anazazi probably suffered through many and finally succumb to an extended drought. The really pressing issue in this state is our water conservation. Arizona is the leading producer of Cotton in the USthat is stupid, cotton is one of the highest water consuming plants there is to produce any profit per acre. We have more golf courses in this state than most any state in the country, why? There are 68 more golf courses that have been approved to be built in Arizonaseems like alot of wasted water to me and I can not remember a single program involving a Golf Course that sends money into any community programs. People stand in the driveways every weekend using water to wash their concrete drivewaythat makes them stupid. Buy a freaking broom. Lake Powell is at 55% of capacity and it will be fifteen rainy years to refill it, Roosevelt Lake is at 33%, Arizona has already received their allotment of the Colorado river water this year and the other states are threatening lawsuits if we ask for more. What is needed to stop the wildfires is proper forest management, clean up the undergrowth, let fire work like it is supposed to as nature intended. Choked up forests like ours will never be healthy until they are burned to a crisp, then nature will take over and they will stay healthy until someone else interferes. Yellowstone is a classic example, since that fire the forest is back on track and they have not had another as bad since. It is too easy to blame our weather on Global warming. I believe that global warming is already beyond fixing and is a far more serious problem than anybody realizes, I just do not think we have begun to feel any of the real effects of the problem yet. I also think when the effects come that changes in our weather patterns will be the least of our worries, I believe that a complete crash will occur in the earths climate, possibly wiping out 90% of life. Then and only then will anyone listen. Thanks, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ari machiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson Global Warming does not exist... That is what the some of the Bushites say. But I think the pattern is clear. Greater global temps mean drastic changes in weather, and we have had some very strange dry weather here in Arizona over the years. Had a tornado at Winslow the other day, and that is a very rare event here in the high country. Gee... too bad it was not headed for Meteor Crater visitor center... he he h. (No I should not wish that) Steve Schoner/ams --- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve: Sure wish we could send you folks some of the rainy weather we have had in the Eastern Seaboard area since March. We have had probably less than a dozen or two clear days since then. It seems to rain constantly. Best wishes for some change in the weather pattern for you folks. Dave Pensenstadler - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson Let's hope we get some rain out here. I have lived her in Flagstaff for 33 years, and I have never seen it so dry. Trees are dying throughout the Coconino National Forest, and the situation is more dire now than last year when the fires were huge in this state. We must keep our eyes open, and ready to act at signs of first smoke. Steve Schoner/ams --- ari machiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list. Has anyone heard about our friends in Tucson? Is anyone losing their home? Are collections being lost? Just curious. I hope all is well. Ari Ari Machiz TVBTITU - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! __
Re: [meteorite-list] usps insurance is fraud
Harlan, Everything you have said is completely wrong. I have been in business 4 years and I ship 2000+ items a year and ALL of them are very fragile. I have never had a single customer have a problem with any of the 29 damaged items they have had. Everyone has collected their claim. There are something's I do to ensure that they do not have a problem. I use only new boxes, USPS boxes when possible. I use only USPS approved materials to pack...newsprint is not approved. I use the proper size box and lots of foam bubblewrap and peanut foam. When a problem occurs and there have only been 29 because I keep track. The procedure is simple and is as follows: Customer contacts me I tell them they need to KEEP all of the materials and box...Throw out nothing. I print out their invoice, their proof of payment and a copy of the auction page. I have the USPS Claim forms here, I fill in my part of the form as the seller and sign it. I put the claim form, the print outs and the POSTMARKED insurance receipt in an envelope and mail it to the customer. When they receive my envelope, they take it and the item in the box it came in with the packing materials to their local post office. Generally it will take 15 minutes for the clerk to complete the claim and then 10 days to receive the check. NONE of my customers ever received one cent less than they paid for their items. THERE ARE PRINTED approved packing material lists available from the post office...I know because I am a post office, I have a USPS Postal License and am approved to print my own postage and to accept items for shipping from third parties. NOW if you want to talk about the private sector...lets do that. In 4 years I have had to file suit in court against Federal Express3 times in order for them to pay any insurance claim on 5 out of 6 damaged items. They are matters of public record and I can send you the case numbers. FedEx once took a wooden magazine rack that had been scratched during shipment when the box was pierced by their machinery. They had the item 4 months and reduced it to kindling, completely destroying the item. All they were supposed to do is inspect it. It took 2trips tocourt before they finally paid my customer. I have 3 additional trips to court to file suits before they finally decided to pay on other claims. FedEx simply does not cover any items over $100.00 in value even though they will allow you to insure them for up to $500.00. You have to prove in court that they were negligent in their handling and that if the negligence had not occured the item would have not been otherwise damaged during normal shipping. That was how I won. I also refer you to FedEx.com at http://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/ground/liabilitylimits.html?link=4 They do not cover and are not liable for any item on their list which is the following: Packages (including freight shipments) containing all or part of the following items are limited to a maximum declared value of $100: Artwork, including any work created or developed by the application of skill, taste or creative talent for sale, display or collection. This includes, but is not limited to, items (and their parts) such as paintings, drawings, vases, tapestries, limited-edition prints, fine art, statuary, sculpture, collectors' items, customized or personalized musical instruments. Film, photographic images, including photographic negatives, photographic chromes, photographic slides. Any commodity that by its inherent nature is particularly susceptible to damage, or the market value of which is particularly variable or difficult to ascertain. Antiques, any commodity which exhibits the style or fashion of a past era and whose history, age or rarity contributes to its value. These items include, but are not limited to, furniture, tableware, glassware and collectors' items such as coins, stamps, sports cards, souvenirs and memorabilia. (Collector's coins and stamps may not be shipped.) Glassware, including, but not limited to, signs, mirrors, ceramics, porcelains, china, crystal, glass, framed glass, flat panel display screens (all types), plasma screens, and any other commodity with similarly fragile qualities. Jewelry, including, but not limited to, costume jewelry, watches and their parts, mount gems or stones (precious or semiprecious), industrial diamonds and jewelry made of precious metal. Furs, including, but not limited to, fur clothing, fur-trimmed clothing and fur pelts. Precious metals, including, but not limited to, gold and silver bullion or dust, precipitates or platinum (except as an integral part of electronic machinery). Stocks, bonds, cash letters or cash equivalents, including, but not limited to, food stamps, postage stamps (not collectible), traveler's checks, lottery tickets, money orders, prepaid calling cards, bond
Re: [meteorite-list] saluting mike farmer
This brings to mind that tune from 15 or so years ago..I wanna be like Mike..Mike.I wanna be like MikeMike I wanna be like Mike. - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] saluting mike farmer Hey list, goodmorning.I just want to salute mike farmer for all the hard work he has done in the meteorite realm.He has gone to places where most people dont even want to go to.I'm happy just to stay around home and let the meteorite hunters do there job, so we can enjoy our collecting, while they go out and do their's.Sometimes I think they do not get the credit they deserve.Just for instance, PITINO!I just got my 11 gram slice.It is a real nice piece.He saw an unusal stone and bought it.H e was quick to the draw.And that idiot who say's he should not have done it, is a moron.Mike jumped at the right moment and seized the day.Way to go mike.I have met the man , and he is alot like me in someways.He goes after what he likes, no matter what it will take to get the prize.FEARLESS AGGRESSION!So I salute you mike, go after whatever you can, life is short.It is people like mike that keep the meteorite business booming.Have a great day all!! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ot ebay reporting?
Tom, I sell antique Ivory all the time. If you want to know if it is allowed and to report it to Ebay if you believe it is not allowed the link is: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-items.html Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ot ebay reporting? Hello List, This seller is a crook. Now she is dealing in illegal animal parts, I think. Is it not illegal to sale ivory on ebay? I was going to report it to ebay just in case, but I could not figure out how. Any helpers out there? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2637886886 Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ot ebay reporting?
In case the link did not work here is Ebays rule: Ivory - This area is complex, and sellers should consult with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and their state wildlife regulatory agency to ensure that the particular item involved may lawfully be sold. Generally, ivory from African elephants may be sold so long as it was lawfully imported into the United States. Wooly mammoth ivory may be sold inside or outside the United States. Hippo ivory may be sold within the United States, but may not lawfully be imported into the United States. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ot ebay reporting? Hello List, This seller is a crook. Now she is dealing in illegal animal parts, I think. Is it not illegal to sale ivory on ebay? I was going to report it to ebay just in case, but I could not figure out how. Any helpers out there? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2637886886 Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Get rid of all your meteorites before it's too late!
Some people insist on drinking their own bathwater...once consumed they feel the effects and these theories arise. Lets try reality. Here is my formula for the origin of SARS. Take a 3rd world country, add extreme over population, throw in some animals and fowl, next mix all of that with poor sanitation. Put all of that in a place where people routinely allow their animals and livestock to enter their homes and sleep with them, where animals and humans bath, urinate, and deficate in the same water they will all drink out of. Now take away any forms of daily bathing in clean sanitized water. Sprinkle in a dash of the corona virus and bake. Now you have the proper conditions for a virus that is capable of living in humans and animals to cross from one species to another. That virus is also capable of mutating at will and often uniquely in every organism it encounters. Leave all this to fester in a place where the virus has a chance to find a host, mutate and move to another host several hundred times a day and BAM! It does not need a comet from space to bring a new form of the corona virus to the human condition. All it takes is the proper environment, poor sanitation and some willing hosts. MArk M. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Get rid of all your meteorites before it's too late! All,Get a kick out of this;Far-Out Theory Ties SARS Origins to Comet Best Regards,Geoff CintronIsland Meteorite http://www.islandmeteorite.com
Re: Please Unsubcribe... [meteorite-list] avoirdupois ?
With only 5 individual identified Mitochondrial DNA pairs in the human species(thats the kind you get from your mom) they are all related in their basic DNA. So it is possible at a very basic level that they are all related. Mark M. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Please Unsubcribe... [meteorite-list] avoirdupois ? Please unsubscribe me from this List. Sorry to have offended all.Not sure where the "offended" part comes in here, Rosie. I'm somewhat of a genealogical student of European Royalty, and I was just merely stating that it simply doesn't work, to claim that William the Conqueror, Cleopatra, Princess Di, David, Solomon, Eleanor of Acquitaine, Lady Godiva, the Plantagenets, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Lighthorse Harry Lee, James Monroe, Richard Nixon, Robert E. Lee, Lady Godiva, the Pharaohs, Richard the Lionhearted, Ptolemy, and King Olaf are all related to each other. There's no "offense" taken, it's just that such a claim is sorta the genealogical equivalent of the Frass Meteorite. ;-) If you're just kidding around with it, fine, but please don't ask anyone to actually believe it. Don't go anywhere on MY account. And speaking of meteorites.;-) Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite only $5.00 per gram ----- SLICED !!!!!!
Why $5.00 per gram when Ivan is selling the stuff on ebay for a starting price of $1.00. Right now 126 grams for $55.55, that is only $0.50 a gramI have 3 slices of approximately 50 grams each I will part with for $3.00 a gram. In fact a 1260 gram corner cut end slice just went for $900.00. I will sell my slices for $3.00 a gram and pay the shipping to anywhere in the US. I would love to see the price of this stuff go above $1.00 a grambut as long as Ivan(finmet) is selling on Ebay I doubt is will happen. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasite only $5.00 per gram - SLICED !! Hello List, Only $5.00 per gram for this pallasite that reveals a metallic nickel-iron matrix peppered with beautiful olivine crystals this is not a common stone going for $20.00 per gram.. http://www.meteorman.org/Brahin_160.htm http://www.meteorman.org/Brahin_244.htm Tim Heitz __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LET THE HUNT BEGIN
do you ever quit??THIS IS LIKE YOUR 30TH SPAM IN HALF THAT MANY DAYS.BACK TO THE OLD STEVE. HOW ARE YOU PICKING UP STONESAREN'T YOUR ARMS SORE FROM ALL THAT PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. To here you talk you put that stone in the universe and personally guided it to Chicago. - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LET THE HUNT BEGIN It is 6 am. Let the hunt begin.My cell # is on (1-847-804-8810)C YA all there. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite only $3.00 per gram ----- SLICED !!!!!!
I thought you said $5.00 per gram? Even at $3.00 with the free shipping I think we will both have our slices for some time well into the future. With finmet selling them on ebay at the prices he is I doubt anyone will pay anything over a dollar. Like I said he recently sold a beautiful 1260 chunk sliced on 2 sides for $900.00...if my calculator is correct that is a meager $0.72 a gram. If you get any buyers at $3.00 and run out of slices send them my way would you? Thanks, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite only $3.00 per gram - SLICED !! My pieces of Brahin are very stable, and they are not $10.00 per gram only $3.00 :-) M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: I never buy another brahin, all slices buy is go destroy in few months in many pieces..For the moment the unique brahin stable buy 8 years ago I have pay $10/gr. and never see rusty in thisstrange Regards Matteo --- Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why $5.00 per gram when Ivan is selling the stuff on ebay for a starting price of $1.00. Right now 126 grams for $55.55, that is only $0.50 a gramI have 3 slices of approximately 50 grams each I will part with for $3.00 a gram. In fact a 1260 gram corner cut end slice just went for $900.00. I will sell my slices for $3.00 a gram and pay the shipping to anywhere in the US. I would love to see the price of this stuff go above $1.00 a grambut as long as Ivan(finmet) is selling on Ebay I doubt is will happen. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasite only $5.00 per gram - SLICED !! Hello List, Only $5.00 per gram for this pallasite that reveals a metallic nickel-iron matrix peppered with beautiful olivine crystals this is not a common stone going for $20.00 per gram.. http://www.meteorman.org/Brahin_160.htm http://www.meteorman.org/Brahin_244.htm Tim Heitz __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Fireball Over Norway Was ... A Cat
That has to be the best use of a cat I have ever heard of.Norway sounds like they need some better entertainment to cut some of the boredom. - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Suspected Fireball Over Norway Was ... A Cat http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=516591 UFO was ... cat Aftenpoften (Norway) March 26, 2003 Most observations of mysterious flying objects in the sky are eventually identified and explained, but the UFO and suspected meteorite over Lardal, Norway got the highly unusual solution of being attributed to a cat. Observers heard an explosion and spotted a fireball in the night sky over Lardal on March 14. Now authorities have managed to puzzle out the evidence, and say a housecat caused the sighting, NRK Vestfold reports. Sheriff Lars Helge Sogn believes a cat climbed up a high-tension power line and burst into flames after striking the high voltage cable with its tail. The heat from the short circuit caused the wooden mast to burn, and it is most likely this that appeared to be a fireball on the horizon on the night of the mysterious sighting. jhe local electricity company recorded no power outage due to the fire, which made it harder to unravel the mystery. But the discovery of a dead cat under the power mast made them double-check, and a four-second glitch in their records was found on the evening of the 14th. Before the feline solution the local sheriff had contacted Oslo University astrophysicists, only to find that eyewitness reports of a fireball lasting up to half an hour could not be a landing meteorite. Cats don't burn so long either, but part of the wooden mast set alight by the unlucky tabby is now considered to be the explanation for the local mystery. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW skyrox?$?$? FP
Harlan, Do not take this wrong as I mean no offense. There has been roughly 300 messages posted to the list regarding this fall in the last 72 hours. If you did not read them you have completely missed the story and the reason why there is not a flood of it for sale. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be asking. It is probably available but I think it will be awhile before any of our guys offer it besides Steve Arnold in Chicago who is selling micros. Some of the dealers did get some and you can figure on it selling for 20.00 dollars or more a gram, probably alot more. To know why the price is so high you will have to go through the 300 plus emails and read what actually went on with the press, the museums and the police. I suggest you go through the archives and read the way things went down and then wait patiently for some to surface. While you are waiting start saving your pennies. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW skyrox?$?$? FP do any of you dealer-types out there have any of this new forest park for sale? Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I heard a crash (Park Forest)
I have two, 180 pound Brazillian Fila Mastiffs that are in charge of investigating all unusual noisesso far the only thing they have returned with is a somewhat bloody back pocket from a pair of blue jeans. We are pretty sure that was terrestrial in origin. Welcome to the group Ryan. Mark M. Phoenix Arizona - Original Message - From: Ryan Darby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] I heard a crash (Park Forest) One thing that strikes me in this story is : if your kid comes and tells you there is a noise, believe them! Could be anything! How many accidents have happened due to telling them to go back to sleep? Has anyone, since it's April fools and everyone is hyped up, tried throwing a brick onto someones roof and seeing what happens? Thanks for the good post of those stories - I've saved them as some collateral to go with my collection - but I still need a piece of the new one! Waiting for the dust to settle! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle
Mike and all the others that went to Chicago, I want to thank you all for your attempts and to say that this will bite the asses of all that have pieces that want too much for them. Let the idiots have there day and think they are going to be rich. Let the museums show their true colors and disappoint those that think they are going to get rich by selling to the museums. Do not let this crap get you mad. I predict that in a month or so this stuff will show up on ebayat first for way too much, then the price will drop. As long as some of our members have some samples they will be able to tell the rest of us if it is real when it hits ebay. In the past couple of years on the antiques road show a man from Tucson had an Indian Chief Blanket on there...valued at $500,000.00+ dollars. My wife and I buy and sell alot of native american blankets. After that blanket aired on the Roadshow every blanket we saw at sales was priced through the roof whether it was native american or made in mexico. We tried to explain to the sellers the differences and they all got mad, said they would rather "donate" to the Heard Museum or what they termed "real" collectors and get the tax break then sell too cheap. Everyone thought they would get rich. For a while you couldn't touch the blankets. We left our cards with everyone and just left them to their own devices. Well then the bubble popped, the museums told them what they had were not the geniune items, and many that were genuine were not "Chief" blankets which are truly rare. Soon after the bubble popped we were bak to buying blankets for what they were worthand we did have the satisifaction of telling those that were truly rude to shove their blankets were the sun don't shine. My point is that these morons with stones that listened to the other morons say it was worth $500 an ounce will soon find out that they can't sell it for that and the museum is not about to pay that much and will be looking to sell the stuff. Afterall, all the museums I have ever dealt with have "limited" budgets. It is not like this is a lunar, how much of it will they actually want to buy? And if you factor in all the "wrongs" that will show up which will probably be 5 times more than the real thing the museum will close shop quickly enough. You guys that went there to get the stuff deserve a huge thanks from all of us for trying. It will show up sooner or later. When people think they have a treasure that will make them rich they are always anxious to get the money. When they find out they are not millionaires they will sell, and then you will be in the driver seat. Hopefully there will be plenty for sale soon Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should "donate all the pieces" to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] atacama meteorites for trade
What I will tell you is that this is looking like the old Steveseven emails offering trades in 2 days. Whats up? Do not tell us you are back to the same old crap SPAMMING US with your trade offers again. Did your new leaf that you supposedly turned over shrivel and go brown? Cool it will ya. - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] atacama meteorites for trade Sometime ago, I put out a post that I had a collection box of atacama desert meteorites for trade.I got only 2 responses, one person said they would trade with me, but that seems to have faded off the face of the earth. The other person I had to tell, sorry there were spoken for.Well they are available again for trade. A $450 value. Let me know. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Having fun in Denver
Anne, I am sending you my hopes for a quick warm up and some relief from the snow. I am happy to see all the snow there as most if not all the moisture will eventually end up in the Colorado river drainage that will eventually end up in Arizona. With the equinox only days away you will soon see warmer times. All of the western states need the water that will melt from all this snow to replenish the aquifers. Lots of hot tea and a few more logs on the fire will help. Stay warm Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Having fun in Denver Hello everybody,If you would like to know what we are doing for fun in Denver today, go take a look at this: http://photos.yahoo.com/impactika and click on "Blizzard 03-03"Back to shoveling. :-)Anne BlackIMCA #2356www.IMPACTIKA.come-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Subterranean Rumblings
Hang on to your hats...today they test the MOAB in Florida. This should tell whether the rumblings were what you felt. I suspect that the earlier rumblings were underground tests, maybe to get the timer or triggering mechanism working. Todays test is to be video tapedpossibly for the benefit of Iraq. You wouldn't want your 21,000 lb MOAB to not go boom during its screen test. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Subterranean Rumblings Readers of the list may recall reports a couple of months ago from several towns in Florida and South Carolina of earthquakes and mysterious, rolling ground waves. At the time, the US Air Force claimed that no craft had set off sonic booms (often done during training over the Gulf of Mexico). No earthquakes were registered on seismometers. It was just something else for the X-Files. I felt three of these rolling quakes here in Fort Myers that approached, rumbled under the house rattling the windows, then passed on. Strange, powerful and unexplainable. This morning's US Today newspaper has an item, dateline Eglin Air Force Base (Florida) - A new conventional bomb capable of releasing shock waves that can be felt miles away is scheduled to be tested at Eglin Air Force Base this week, officials said. The 21,000-pound bomb is known as a MOAB, or massive ordinance air burst. A bomb known as a Daisy Cutter, the 15,000-pound BLU-82, is currently billed as the world's most powerful non-nuclear explosive. Nah, couldn't be thisour Homeowner's Association would never allow it. Shaken, not stirred, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] All Stars
Rand, I think I can spealk for all of us here as I say thank you for your 18.5 years of service. We all know every one of our men and women in the armed forces will serve our country proudly. My blessings for your wife. Stand by her, she is far stronger than all of us, and will still need you for support. I was touched by your words and your devotion to her and you were absolutely correctwe are all stars. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] All Stars Hi everybody. This is Rand. No, I'm not a scientist. I don't work for NASA. I'm not a mathematician. I don't have a collection of meteorites. I'm not wealthy by any means. I'm just a regular, average guy trying to figure things out the best I can. So far I've spent 18.5 years as an enlisted man in the U.S. Army. How ironic! I despise war. I have a profound respect for life and the environment. I saw a military career as an excellent opportunity for me to provide for my family. I served in the war zone, but not as a combatant. I served in a combat support hospital in the Arabian Desert providing humane treatment for fellow soldiers and prisoners of war alike. Recently I was almost deployed again. Officials deemed it best that I stay home this time. I concur with their decision. My wife, Gina is severely disabled in advanced stages of multiple sclerosis. She needs me here. I'd like to share something with the list. One night my wife lay in her bed watching television. Observing the performers on screen she said, I wish I could be a star. I responded, You ARE a star! Right now as you fight this disease with all of your determination, You are a star! As you raised our children and worked to supplement our income, You were a star! As you aided your parents, their lives dwindling in their twilight, you were a star. As you continue your life, doing the very best you can do, you will continue on as a star! So are YOU ALL STARS! Each of you in your own way! Here in this list we have people from many walks of life, from countries around the world. Whatever your strengths may be, in each or your distinct assemblage of personality traits and talents, as you do your bestYou are ALL STARS! I'm honored to be among your associates. Rand Kluge __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unsubscribe, Leave, or Remove from Gene Pool
And add a HUGE banner that says Unsubscribe Here. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Art Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Unsubscribe, Leave, or Remove from Gene Pool Hey Art, You may want to revise your web page: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list to make an obvious mention about the daily digest version of the List messages, as well as the List Archives, so that new members will know that they have various ways to access posts to the List. Bob V. - Original Message - [meteorite-list] Remove,Unsubscribe, Leave Cindy Louis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:32:14 -0700 htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV PSTRONGFONT size=5Please, please, please /FONT/STRONGremove me from this list.BRIn my haste to find out about some meteorites I signed up to metorite-list not knowing I would get so much email to bog down my mail box. I mean this is getting as bad as yahoo. It's kind of rediculous. Please remove me off the list as I don't need thirty to forty emails at one time. Geese. What I had wasn't even a real meteorite but an earth rock./P PThanks all,/P PLouis PerezBR/P/DIV/divbr clear=allhr __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New California meteorite
EXCELLENT IDEA! I am in for whatever type of help I can lend, be it writing a letter, a donation to cover costs of naming the meteorite, any help you may need. I think that it is a great gesture. And IF none of that comes to pass I would like a small slice for my collection with the understanding that I would never try to profit from it. If I can help in any way let me know. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New California meteorite Hi All, As I reported earlier, seeing Columbia reenter this past Saturday was not my primary reason for being in the Mojave Desert -- I was actually heading up there to do some meteorite field recovery work for the day. I did find one new meteorite of just over 100 grams, and have scanned in some images of it at the time it was found: http://members.cox.net/mojave_meteorites/feb1a.jpg http://members.cox.net/mojave_meteorites/feb1b.jpg http://members.cox.net/mojave_meteorites/feb1c.jpg And so a thought has occurred to me: what are the chances of bending the Meteoritical Society rules and giving this meteorite the name Columbia or Columbia 7? I checked the Catalogue, and surprisingly there is no meteorite called Columbia. I would be happy to donate the meteorite to NASA, or alternatively arrange to have it cut into 7 pieces to give to each of the families of the astronauts. It's an ordinary chondrite, probably an H5 or H6 with some black shock veins running through it, so it's not particularly rare or interesting to researchers. It's only claim to uniqueness was that it was found on February 1st at 11:44am PST, less than 6 hours after I watched Columbia fly by. Best, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????
Anyone have a good picture of REAL Esterville? someone should send a link with a real picture to the seller maybe they would consider ending the auction Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ? NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Esterville ? ht tp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365 rd=1 This can be a meteorite? --[ MARCIN CIMAA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]-- http://www.meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vistapro.prv.pl +GSM (607) 535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????
It does look awful close to Haags sample at: http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/esterville.htm Vugs and all. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ? NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Esterville ? ht tp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365 rd=1 This can be a meteorite? --[ MARCIN CIMAA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]-- http://www.meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vistapro.prv.pl +GSM (607) 535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion...
Neither was sailing to the new worldor running down a sand dune at Kitty Hawk, or leaving the earth 250,000 miles behind to explore the moon or running up the stairs in a burning 110 story building. This is why there are heros in the world. If we were to curl up in our safe little worlds, we would all be still living in caves. God Speed to our fallen heros, they gave their lives in a most noble cause, fully aware that the danger exists long before they step aboard. Without these wonderful people our lives would be so much less. I for one would rather die doing what I love then wired to a machine in some hospital. Mark Miconi Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Mark Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion... Feb. 1, 2003 Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts, I just listened to the news right after the post from Mr. John Gwilliam. This is just terrible!! Why must we keep sending people up there? Space travel, no matter how breathtaking and awesome, is still too hazardous and not well thought out yet. People's lives in space are at stake every minute, and there is still no good way for them to escape to earth when a fateful problem arises! It is at all comprehensible that a tiny meteoroid sent the shuttle to earth as a fireball? Sincerely, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner
I want to say something to everyone on this listREGARDLESS if you know or met Steve. Take the 2 minutes it will take to send him an email. Do not put it off, do not wait until later, do NOT make excuses. This is a human being in need of support. Nothing anyone can do including his doctors can do for Steve what Steve can do for himself with your words of encouragement. Healing on any scale for anyone begins within themselves. Take the 2 minutes it will take to send him an email and tell him that you are thinking about him and encourage him to work and fight for a full recovery. Having battled a serious injury myself in my life I can tell you that believing you can recover, knowing that others are pulling for you and hearing and seeing the encouragement of others is what gets you through the toughest times when you feel like quitting...Steve needs that help from all of us... Thanks Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner Insert your own email in that space, Matteo. And thanks so much for writing. I'm confident that by Steve becoming tangibly aware of what we all feel in our hearts will greatly assist in his recovery. As it regards the matter of Steve's recovery, I've received a handful of emails enquiring about Steve's prognosis given the apparent viral source of his illness. Unfortunately, there has been an injury to the brain, and like any other injury to the brain, there must be an extensive period of rehabilitation. The extent and trajectory of Steve's recovery cannot be determined at this time. To echo Walter's sentiments, Steve became a meteorite enthusiast as a teenager. He sought-out Harvey Nininger as a kid and an engaging photo of Steve and Nininger (which appeared in Meteorite) was taken around this time--and understand, this is B.B...Before Bob). Much later Steve became adamant about the existence of a large pallasitic mass in the Glorieta strewn field. Seventy trips of 2-3 weeks in inhospitable terrain over a fifteen year period were spent searching for, among other things, validation. And then he found it. Again, here is the email link to drop a note to Steve, a National Park Ranger, Civil War expert, meteorite hunter extraordinaire, gentle soul and remarkable man: http://www.flagstaffmedicalcenter.com/pp_fmc/fmc_email_patient.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
Yousef, I mean this sincerely...find a library or buy some books. With all the looking you have done in a place where your chances are higher than most to find a REAL meteorite with the proper knowledge(obviously lacking) you could have found a real meteorite. Mark - Original Message - From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia a reay exciting breccia,, any comments are appreciated: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl5/ Mohamed Yousef == _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Mohammed a hoax?
I think we should all just realize that we are in the presense of a true Meteorite HunterMohammed. He not only finds rare lunars with no trouble, he has by now accumulated a collection of the finest and rarest meteorites the world has to find. He by now has far exceeded both Ninninger and the great Mr. Haag, who I hear has heard of Mohammed and plans on erecting a shrine to him. Mohammed has shown us all that we know little or nothing about our passion, that with his knowledge and understanding which far exceeds anyone on this list he can fill a dump truck with meteorites in a couple of hours, compared to the years it has taken some on this list. In a year or so Mohammed will achieve such greatness with his collecting that meteorites will simply give up on hiding from him and only fall within a few feet of his home, thus eliminating his need to search for them as they know that he will inevitably find them anyway. So in conclusion I say ALL HAIL MOHAMMED! Faster than a speeding meteor, Stronger than a rare earth magnet, able to leap upon an unsuspecting lunar in a single bound.. LOOK! out in the desertis it a camel, is it a nomad? Nope it is Mohammed carrying another 40 kilo lunar back to his lab. All in a days work. One thing worries me thoughwith all the rocks falling in his back yard I hope he never finds any ejecta from Planet Kryptonyou all remember what Kryptonite did to Superman! So I humbly retire to my meager collection, a mere 10 meteorites purchased from all of you and cherished and hope someday that I too may reach that spritual high that Mohammed has reached where every stone I see is a rare meteoriteBut first I must find out what kind of HOOKA he is smoking and where he buys his Camel Ghanja! Sincerely Mark Miconi Phoenix, AZ PS...Please be aware that this dilusion is my own and any statements made that might be untrue are of my own creation...the author is not responsible for any damage that might incurr from uncontrollable laughter. - Original Message - From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Mohammed a hoax? Greetings All and Mohamed, I think I first raised that question a year ago. I also thought that M.C. was having his fun. But, Mohamed's e-mails ARE coming from NWA. I also answered my own question when I researched Mohamed and found an old site where he was trying to sell his 'meteorites' before they were classified. (Yes, they were supposedly undergoing classification back then! I wonder what ever happened to the top secret lunar expert who was examining his 'lunar meteorite'?) The site existed long before he approached the LIST. No, he is real, alive , and living in meteorite country. I just hope he accepts Mark Bostick's generous offer and allows real meteorites to fall in his possession! Perhaps THEN he will look for real meteorites and hopefully find some! Otherwise, I fear his desperate HEART will continue to mislead his logical brain. Best, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/webwrongs.html Wrongs on WWW tett wrote: I am not so sure that Mohammed exists. This has been going on for too long and it sure looks like someone is pulling our collective chain. M.C. are you out there? ;) Cheers, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mohameds dream Mohamed has a dream as well - why should we not encourage him ?! Oh jeezyou're comparing Mohamed to Nininger???...this thread oughta get really interesting now !! As best I can recall, NOT A SINGLE PERSON on this list is trying to discourage him from searchingmany/most of us wish him only the best of luck and eventual success. His problem is that he refuses to accept the opinions/feedback he receives from this list, some of whose members are among the leading researchers/collectors/etc. in the field of meteoritics. Essentially NOTHING he has ever posted even remotely resembles a meteorite, but he refuses to accept the opinions rendered. I don't care how passionately he may believe he has found a meteorite, if it ain't, it ain't. There's a saying: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duckit must be a duck. Well, conversely: If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey.it ain't a duck !! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman
Re: [meteorite-list] please please see this
Rock, Terrestrial, Desert Varnish, Probably Granite, Maybe Quartz looks like the stuff the used to make curb stones out of in the good ol days. Definitely not from out of this world and I am the least qualified on this list to say so, but I know an Earth Rock when I see one. Keep tryingby sheer dumb luck you are bound to find a meteorite, in fact the longer you look the better your odds are of actually picking one up. Mark M. - Original Message - From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] please please see this PLEASE SEE THIS: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pln/ Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Did everyone else get 3 messages from Mr. Arnold in one day today? How much longer do we have to put up with his 3-4 email a day habit? It is becoming painfully obvious to everyone BUT Steve that either no one cares to trade with him or that simply everyone is filtering his emails and never reads his constant begging for his coveted trade. I apologize but my delete folder is filling up rapidly with his emails and I remember reading one last night from him apologizing and promising to stop the volume of his emails. If his trades are as good as his promises I would not consider trading anything with him. Mark M. - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) for trade, marjalahti 3.6 gram slice, dhofar 303 and dag 476 micro for trade. $300 value. let me know. Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations
YADA YADA YADAheard it all beforethe proof will be in the lack of puddingor a spam. Steve in your case the horse is dead and the barn burned to the ground. We(including myself) will gladly help you rebuild the barn and find a new horse. Just ease up a bit and stick to your word and do not post trades and deals so much and so often. It is a safe bet that one is enough, most everyone reads every post, if they are interested they will contact you. Since it seems as though contacts have been not coming in by the bucket load it may be that no one is truly interested. We do thank you for your effort, get a grip man and enjoy the list and the hobby and help others that are involved in this list to enjoy it with you. It is a new yeareveryone deserves a new start...I want to be the first to say welcome to the list, live, love your hobby and learn. Bright Blessings, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations Good evening list. I'll try and keep it short. I guess when you let the horse out of the barn, it is stupid to go and close the barn door. Well I want to thank all the decent people who have emailed me about my constant posting of reposting. From now on Iam going to take the advise of all who have gone on before in this great hobby, to think what I am doing before it becomes a habitual nightmare of never ending posts of nothing. Thank you all for the "smart " emails to help guide me and make me think before I act. When I look back at all the same repeats, it boggles my mind why I did it. Well it is a new year, and I guess I just needed to be told and learn, and go from there. Thanks again for getting me back on track. steve arnold, chicago Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] re METEORITE TIMES From Paul and Jim
Title: re METEORITE TIMES From Paul and Jim I like the idea! I think that it would sufficently insulate the magazine from any responsibility especially if it is clearly stated the "the links provided are the sole responsibility of the web page owner and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Meteorite Times, which only provides the forum for the articles and thatany questions, corrections oreditorial issues be directed to the owners of the article in question." That is straight from our attorney who I was fishing with yesterday. He said that clear language explaining that the Meteorites Times is not responsible for what is presented and that the Meteorite Times ONLY provides the forum for it to be presented should be enough to insulate the MT. Again we were fishing miles from his office and I had sort of explained what had happened with the limited knowledge I have of what led to its demise. He pointed out that infomercials are presented on TV stations and the stations are not liable for the information and products that they present because they state that they do not endorse the product/information. Hope this helps Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] re METEORITE TIMES From Paul and Jim Hi all,Below is a post from Paul and Jim. The list is not accepting theirposts, so, Paul asked me to foreword them for him. (another followsregarding the TUCSON SHOW GUIDE).It is a fascinating aside that this idea occurred SIMOTANIOUSLYto both Paul and I completely independently, shortly after a phone call between us yesterday. When I called him to tell him of "my" idea,he laughed and said he had been talking to his wife about it for the last20 minutes. When we compared notes, we had come to the same ideaat EXACTLY the same time. I believe it may be divinely inspired. Theoutcome is, I think you will all agree, a divine one! I don't know what is wrong with the list, but I HOPE everyone isgetting the few posts I see getting through, which include Ron Balke's,Anne Black's, Mark's and mine, but no others since around noon today(Sat,) So, here we go:Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:42:19 -0800To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Please read, discuss, and let us know.Dear List,The closing down of the MeteoriteTimes web site was a preemptive decisionbased upon recent events which demonstrated our high level of exposure tolawsuits. Let us be clear. The magazine was NOT sued. But The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. has in the past had to defend itself on more than one occasion. We've learned through experience how to better protect ourselves from groundless and dropped litigations that only waste money and time.Jim and I are finally sitting side by side and think that we have found asolution to the liability issues faced by the publication of MeteoriteTimes.The possible solution to the vacuum we created by ending MeteoriteTimes,would be the creation of a venue where any person wanting to write a meteorite /tektite related article would be able to send us the link to their article which resides on their own web page.We would provide the shell of structure and organization for this collection of links only. We would not have copyright, nor editorial responsibilities, nor liabilities for the consequences of the contents contained in said linked to articles.We could preserve as much of the look and feel of the original magazine as possible. Links and indexes will function much as before with the linked to articles appearing in the main frame as before. We would also offer technical support and graphics ideas and possibly blank page templates.This venue could have the potential of becoming a greater resource of meteorite related material than could ever have been possible before.Best wishes,Jim and Paul**Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.comPMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA***Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.- Friedrich Nietzsche--Worth Seeing:- Earth at night from satelite:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg- Interactive Lady Liberty:http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm- Earth - variety of choices:http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html --Cool Calendar Clock:http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html--Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at:http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
Re: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Such petty little things, these people that would kill something so valuable due to their own vanity. I have no idea what caused the fight/problem, but feel if the parties causing the problem would SIMPLY PULL THEIR OWN HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES, the world might be a better place. Someone needs to post a sign for this list that says: CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR UPON ENTERING!!! I have been a member of this list for about 3 years, lived through the name calling and arguments about so many stupid petty things. I too have opened my mouth only to put both feet in at times. The MeteoriteTimes was one of the best things to come out of this ragtag group of all knowing egomaniacs in the past 3 years of my existence here, along with the IMCA, which by the way was also almost killed by more STUPIDITY. I loved the MeteoriteTimes, so did my 8 year old son as did many others on this list. Such a shame that a few so called DEALERS again can, with malice and nothing but self centered bullshit drive something good from the group. Paul and Jim Please reconsider. I am not even totally sure what the argument is all about, or who did what to whom or why it was done or what started the whole thing in the first place, I just do not want to see the end of The MeteoriteTimes and hope that you may reconsider. Maybe if you make the readers aware that some articles are the sole work and responsibility of the writer and not necessarily the opinion or endorsed by the editors it will help. If someone wants to contribute in a manner that may/will cause a problem then they should be REQUIRED to post their VALID email address in the article and those that are unhappy with what they say can flame the writer and not the publishers. Whomever is responsible for this lack of sense to cause this much grief the Jim and Paul would end this project you should be ashamed of yourself/selves. Again I ask you both to reconsider and continue the project. I would be glad to help in any way that I can be of any assistance. I know some HTML, I can read and use a spellchecker and have some free time in the evenings being self employed. Whomever started this and caused the end of the MeteoriteTimes you owe everyone on this list AN APOLOGY and most of all you OWE A BIGGER APOLOGY to Jim and Paul. GET A FREAKIN' GRIP ON YOURSELF/SELVES. Last time I looked the universe was not revolving around any particular human and it is wrong for you to think it is revolving around you. Anyone that takes any particular offense to my opinions stated in this email can kiss my *ss. I am so tired of so many petty little things causing the end or near end of the good things that come out of this list. I am tired of the few ruining things for the many. I am tired of having to delete the annual flame wars and name calling sessions that seem to sprout on an all too regular basis. I am only hours from Tucson and was actually thinking of driving down this year to see what it is all about. Now I wonder if it is all worth the effort, will there be all of this petty crap there too? Anyone unhappy with my opinions may email me DIRECTLY, do not waste the time of the others on the list if all you need to do is complain to me. Jim, Paul and anyone I may have left out that was producing the MeteoriteTimesPLEASE, PLEASE RECONSIDER. If I can help just ask. Thanks for listening, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream Dear List and MT Writers, I just got off the phone with Jim and I regret to inform you that MeteoriteTimes.com died tonight. We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of what we have received. Jim and I spent much of what little free time we had on producing the magazine. What we lacked was the time it takes to police each and every word, each and every picture, each and every link. We lacked the time and clairvoyance to realize when material was not mentioned. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to be spoken to as we have been. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to cause infighting between others. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to have to bother the list with e-mails like this. To the vast majority who will miss the magazine, I truly apologize and I'm sorry. Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: The Death Of A Dream
Michael, You sound very sincere and I am now starting to get more info on what happened. Maybe it may have helped to mention your intentions to discuss more items in the next months article. Something like: Next Month...The Complete Listing of All the Tucson Shows Dealers, or something that let others know that there was more and more complete information to come. It seems as though some of the list members need to toughen their skin a little. As for someone saying that someone else's Science was Incomplete that seems to be a dumb and a true statement at the same time. To MEALL Science is incomplete...I am no Scientist, but REAL Science to me should ALWAYS lead to MORE questions than answers and MORE Science. No Study should/could ever be totally complete as I feel, especially with Meteorites that there is a 100 years worth of learning in every stone that is recovered. How could the science about ANY Meteorite be complete when we have so few and know so little about them? I hold no one person to blame for Jim and Paul's decision, but we all need to be a little more understanding, and a little less trouble for everyone on the list...me included. We have one of the greatest conglomerations of minds, talents and ideas gathered here, no one person better or worse than the other, all pursuing something we love. We have the opportunity to spread knowledge, exchange thoughts and ideas in a way and by a method that did not exist even 25 years ago. With that in mind we all need to be more tolerant, more understanding and less easily bruised by others. REMEMBER Humans are PRONE to ERRORS, when you stop making mistakesyour dead. Darryl has offered to send me the email that he sent so that I know more of what this is about so I can learn from it...not blame anybody. I just want the MeteoriteTimes to live on. Its done, lets move on, and lets in return help Jim and Paul as you and others have been to keep the MeteoriteTimes alive. And others on the list TAKE NOTICE!! The info in the MeteoriteTimes may not ALWAYS be complete, NOT ALWAYS tell the ENTIRE story and if you feel that you need to add or correct something, DO IT IN A POSITIVE MANNER. Because as we all now know.The MeteoriteTimes MAY NOT ALWAYS BE Sincerely, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: The Death Of A Dream Dear Craig, Mark, Geoff, Walter and all list members who have benefited so much from the selfless efforts of Paul Harris and Jim Tobin, I am just sick upon reading Pual Jim's posts. I am afraid I was one of the authors mentioned, by citing my auction and not mentioning Darryl's in the same article. Though I have mentioned his auctions many times in my articles, I fear he took great offense at my failure to do so this time. Paul and Jim are the last people on earth I would want to see hurt like this. I feel sick to my stomach. I tend to write about whatever I am feeling enthused about at the time and have always been totally undisguised in openly mentioning what I am up to, myself. I fear this carefree style has resulted in a response that hurt two of the best people I know. This month I focused on new changes that would be at the Tucson Show - and certainly mentioned changes in my own venue. Next month, immediately before the show, I was going to touch on all the standard venues not to be missed. I guess I should have informed Darryl of that in advance. I have, many times, written of how Darryl always brings some of the most beautiful specimens in the world to the show. In this particular issue I also wrote about new ventures of Bob Haag, Eric Olson, Jim Strope, Mike Farmer, the Hupe brothers, Adam and Greg. I guess all other dealers could have been offended. It is difficult to know where such notification is required but, as I said, my plans for the Feb. issue were to address all elements of the show not particularly new this year, but which are, of course, not to be missed. For those who may have not gotten around to reading the article, METEORITE TIMES is now down, so, I have posted the article at which offense was taken. The full article, exactly as published can be seen at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html I would like to propose the following to Paul and Jim: PLEASE DO NOT FOLD YOUR TERRIFIC METEORITE TIMES! Instead, please accept my resignation from my column. I don't know who was accused of bad science or who posted a photo link at which someone took offense, but my guess is they would happily resign, as well, to see the invaluable fruits of your labor continue. Never, ever, would I have exposed you to any grief, had I seen it coming. My deepest regrets are extended to every person who has worked so hard submitting fine articles to the publication
[meteorite-list] Re: The Death Of A Dream
And do not resignthat will not help. Print an explanation and go forward. Resigning only deprives us all of what you have to contribute, it doesn't have to be perfect, but if it is not there, then it is way less than perfect. Mistakes are commonlearning from them so that others benefit from the mistake is very uncommon. Thanks, Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: The Death Of A Dream Dear Craig, Mark, Geoff, Walter and all list members who have benefited so much from the selfless efforts of Paul Harris and Jim Tobin, I am just sick upon reading Pual Jim's posts. I am afraid I was one of the authors mentioned, by citing my auction and not mentioning Darryl's in the same article. Though I have mentioned his auctions many times in my articles, I fear he took great offense at my failure to do so this time. Paul and Jim are the last people on earth I would want to see hurt like this. I feel sick to my stomach. I tend to write about whatever I am feeling enthused about at the time and have always been totally undisguised in openly mentioning what I am up to, myself. I fear this carefree style has resulted in a response that hurt two of the best people I know. This month I focused on new changes that would be at the Tucson Show - and certainly mentioned changes in my own venue. Next month, immediately before the show, I was going to touch on all the standard venues not to be missed. I guess I should have informed Darryl of that in advance. I have, many times, written of how Darryl always brings some of the most beautiful specimens in the world to the show. In this particular issue I also wrote about new ventures of Bob Haag, Eric Olson, Jim Strope, Mike Farmer, the Hupe brothers, Adam and Greg. I guess all other dealers could have been offended. It is difficult to know where such notification is required but, as I said, my plans for the Feb. issue were to address all elements of the show not particularly new this year, but which are, of course, not to be missed. For those who may have not gotten around to reading the article, METEORITE TIMES is now down, so, I have posted the article at which offense was taken. The full article, exactly as published can be seen at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html I would like to propose the following to Paul and Jim: PLEASE DO NOT FOLD YOUR TERRIFIC METEORITE TIMES! Instead, please accept my resignation from my column. I don't know who was accused of bad science or who posted a photo link at which someone took offense, but my guess is they would happily resign, as well, to see the invaluable fruits of your labor continue. Never, ever, would I have exposed you to any grief, had I seen it coming. My deepest regrets are extended to every person who has worked so hard submitting fine articles to the publication, and, of course, to all of you, the readers. We all have benefited so much from the thankless labor of Paul and Jim. Perhaps, if we all let them know they are appreciated and needed they might possibly reconsider? Sincerely, Michael Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gold basin weather
Tom and list, The reverse side of that will be that it will start out in the low 30's upper 20's every morning. Also just after sunrise there will be a breeze as the temperature inversion takes place. The air temps will drop 3-10 degrees until the sun is fully risen. Take this from a 20 year veteran, I have experienced all areas of Arizona, do not take this state lightly, the weather and terrain can be dangerous if you do not prepare. Arizona weather can change quickly, dress accordingly. The inversion in the morning will definitely make it much colder after the sun rises for a half hour or so then it was before the sun came up. Bring warm clothes, dress in layers. Good boots are a must, and have lots of fresh water. Even though it will not be hot, water is always a must. It might be a good idea to bring a loud whistle for signalling, in case one gets lost. I hope I can get up there and enjoy the hunt with you all, if not please be safe and good hunting. Mark Miconi Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Tom aka james Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold basin weather Good new List, It should be mostly sunny saturday and sunday with a high of 58! Nice hunting weather! We seem to be picking up a few more List members for our hunt as the time approaches, the more the merrier! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin hunt!!
By the way everyone, if you go to www.maptech.com you can use their online map server to print fairly detailed topo maps of the gold basin area right on your on printer. Here is the link for the map: http://mapserver.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfm?lat=35.78583lon=-114.17944; scale=10zoom=50type=1icon=0searchscope=domscriptfile=http://mapserv er.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfmlatlontype=DMS I have Topo USA software and I recommend the software for anyone with GPS that wants a good mapping program that works well with GPS. You can get Topo USA at www.delorme.com Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tom aka james Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin hunt!! Hello List members! Our Gold Basin group hunt on the 11th 12th is just next weekend! We can meet at 9 AM at the corner of pierce ferry RD and Greg's hideout RD. If you are staying in kingman we can meet in kingman at 7:30 or 8:00 and drive out there together. Every one is invited! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gold Basin Aerial Photos - TerraServer
Tom and List, I have found a source for aerial photos. Aerial Photos are available for Gold Basin on TerraServer. The link is: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/geographic.aspx Enter the coordinates in the Geographical Search as follows in degrees, minutes and seconds: 35 47' 9" North 114 10' 46" West The aerial photos are available down to 1 meter resolution, topo maps are also available. Though I did not try it, the photos are in black and white and should be printable. It is starting to become apparent that my schedule is going to interfere with my attending the hunt, I have a client that seems dead set on wasting their money on software they do not need and on paying me way too much to install it. I am trying to get it rescheduled. Sniffle sniffle cough coughI might even be coming down with a cold.I would hate to get all their employees sick! Hope to make it for the hunt. Mark M. Phoenix AZ
Re: [meteorite-list] highly weathered chondrites
They look like ordinary sedimentary rocks to me with grains of quartz. I am no expert but it would take alot to convince me these are anything but Earth rocks. Keep trying though, sooner or later your luck is bound to change. Mark M. - Original Message - From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] highly weathered chondrites Hiii and happy new year,,, I have recently found few rocks (over 5 Kg total) that I believe is chondrite. The bottom half of one of these rocks (~1.5Kg) was (for long time) inside the hot and wet soil and was highly weathered that it became very soft and can be crushed very easily. I could separate the chondrules (that are still very hard, milky, glassy, and well in shape). Whereas the upper side of the rock is very hard and it seems that the chondrules have been melt away and left behind semi spherical holes on the surface. My questions are: do you think that this is a meteorite at all? Why the surface chondrules melt away whereas they are very hard and stronger than the bulk material in the bottom half; as if the effect of high temperature is opposite to the effect of wet soil? Can we estimate the age from this highly weathered state? I have also found inside this rock white crystalline pieces of irregular shape, 3-5 mm wide, any idea what are these? see nice pictures here: http://www.alifyaa.com/mf/cndrl/ Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic : HTML vs plain text, and virus spreading.
Lars, Using a good Anti-virus program that is properly updated on a regular basis is a much simpler solution. Most of the listees are very virus conscience and few have ever spread anything of any magnitude. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic : HTML vs plain text, and virus spreading. Some list members send HTML formated messages to the list, this can be a probleme when it comes to spreading virus. On most lists it is not allowed to send in HTML format. Will it be a probleme to ask members to send plain txt only ? Happy new year from Denmark Lars Pedersen __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Large *unknown* iron?
At the top of the page click on view all lots from this catalog or go to: http://search.liveauctions.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResultht=11ctlgid =3107lc=0ccn=Miscellaneous There are more meteorites including a gibeon with a nice thumbhole. ALL over priced if you ask me! Mark M. - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Large *unknown* iron? Hi All, What's up with THIS auction? http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1577754265 It's obviously a meteorite, but Location unknown --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: meteor photo - OT Question about another photo on the same site....
Title: meteor photo Thanks Mike for the great link. I have a question that my son asked and I could not answer. If someone on the list could answer this I would really appreciate it. In the photo list there is a shot of the shuttle docked with Mir, you can view it at: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021020.html Who or what took this photo? I know it is not Hubble, I have a hunch it is a little too far away to be an astronaut in an MMU. How did they take this photo? Thanks in advance. Mark M Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteor photo Hi all,Below is the link to a terrific meteor photo I thought most of you would enjoy:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
I am sending this to the listit is part of what I sent to Rosie after reading this post. I am by far not the smartest person on this list, nor do I have all the answers...I do know that there is NOT a single individual on this list that can claim either of those titles. I have always thought that anyone could express an opinion/idea to this list and it could/would be acceptable. I do not have any idea what was sent to Rosie that made her run away with such force, but I wonder if it was really necessary to say. Here is part of what I told her. I hope that everyone on this list will take the time to read it. It probably isn't that profound, but it is my thoughts on the matter. Rosie, I for one will not accept your bowing out. Do not let those intellectual mental midgets push you out! Your opinion is guaranteed by the constitution of the USA and you have the same right to give your opinion...Right or Wrong. TWA 800 was a tragedy...that much is indisputable. Our Navy/government has made grave errors in the past and have shot down civilian targets by mistake in the Persian Gulf so it is not like it could never happen. And with so many 747 type aircraft flying for over 30 years I think it is also possible that this electrical problem would have cause a major problem already. Our government keeps us in the dark about alot of issuesmaybe for our own good. Too many of us want to know the truth and maybe sometimes the truth is so much simpler than any of us would be willing to believe that it would only make things worse if we knew. Other truths maybe be so much darker than any of us would care to hear or even need to hear. Imagine for a moment if you willRoswell DID happen and we are not alone...what would happen to organized religion? The Pope would be out of a job, ALL religions would be nothing more than fables, billions of people all over the world would lose the faith that gives them the only hope they have sometimes in a otherwise hopeless world. Now that is not to say that even with the presence of other more/less intelligent life forms in the universe that there is not still a "God" that created it all. Hell if I were omnipotent with the power of God I know I would surely create many types of life in many placesbeings and being alive is much too special to give to only one smelly ape-like creation on one world. To guarantee success of any type of creation one would have to create many forms, for surely many would doom themselves to extinction. Yet should Roswell or any other encounters be true all governments would have to be very careful with that knowledge. Many people fear that our/their government can not guarantee their safety now, how would it be if they knew that beings existed that had knowledge and technology far beyond our own comprehension? Again mass panic would ensue, others would be desperate to exploit that technology to enslave the masses and profit for themselves. I am not making a case for ET's, or conspiracies, the existence or non-existence of a God or proving or disproving evolution. I am saying that NO ONE person can HONESTLY say they have all the correct answers. My point to all this is that some people are never willing to accept any ideas, opinions, or concepts beyond their own. If everyone with differing views hid their heads in the sand when they were shouted down there would be no freedom, no evolution, no advancement of anything. Cherish your freedom, shout back when necessary, stand your ground, you are a human, and an American and by those measurements you have a right to any opinion you like and as long as our flag flies over this land you have a right to speak your mind. Keep in mind all those many that gave their lives to preserve that right, you owe it to them to practice what they died for. Those that shout back are entitled to do so, they are not however allowed to quiet those that differ from their narrow view of the world, sometimes the smartest among us are the least knowledgeable...Flatlanders is what I call them. They live in their own little worlds, a nice and tidy, made to order so that they can cope with their own insecurities. I ask that you reconsider your silence, RosieI for one would be less knowledgeable without your opinion. Maybe some on this list will get something out of this. I do not know who killed JFK, whether ET exists, or if we are the product of creation or evolution. I do know that anything is possible and would like everyone to remember that no matter how indisputable some facts have been over the eons, there have been some facts that turned out to be not so factual after all. Nothing is for sure, and it is not right for anyone to feel that they can belittle another human being because their beliefs are not yours. Lets stick to meteorites, there is always alot about them that none of us are for sure about, and that means we all have alot we can
Re: [meteorite-list] Pay Pal update
Matt, PayPal is and will be the cheapest way to accept credit cards now and in the future. We have for our business researched nearly every other method of accepting credit cards and PayPal beats the others fees by at least 5%. That does not include the charges for epuipment the others charge that paypal eliminates also. Accepting personal checks may be your choice for accepting payments from customers, in our experience checks are an unnecessary hassle. How many times will you have to pay your bank for bad checks that you deposit and never recover the money for the check or for the item? We are charged $20.00 for checks that we deposit that bounce on our business accountafter the first 3 that we lost a total of $60.00 on we said no more checks. None of our fine customers that sent us the bad checks ever saw fit to make the checks good or cover our charges. And waiting for a check to clear while holding inventory is not practical for the amount of volume we movemaybe it is not a problem for you. PayPal will come through for Mr. Bostick - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pay Pal update Just think...you could have kept that 500 clams PayCrap stole from you and bought more meteorites with it!! Matt At 06:29 PM 10/23/2002 -0500, MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello List, Thanks everyone for the e-mails. From the best I can tell, they were able to open a credit card through my Pay Pal account, as I recieved an e-mail from Pay Pal, too late to react, asking me to verify my membership number with the new card. My talks on the phone with Pay Pal did not bring this up through them so I really dont know. But funds where taken from my account and put into someone else's. From there Pay Pal should have no problem figuring out where they went, although I think I reacted fast enough there is a hold on it. They are suppose to investigate and contact me so we will see. Either way, it was strange enough for Pay Pal to put a blanket on the account and they did reverse one charge, so there should be no doult that it is fraud of some type. Pay Pal probley makes about $500 a month from me so you would think they will try to make this go away for me. It is frustrating that with the account frozen I cannot touch the funds that are in there now, nor can I recieve payments. This will of course make me think about dropping Pay Pal. With so many eBay users using it, it will be a hard thing to do. So we'll see. If they work everything out, I will probley foolishly keep them. But I have done about all I can and the rest is now up to Pay Pal so I guess I move on and wait. So with that in mind, stay tuned tonight for Meteorite Contest #8... Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
