Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my mind software quality also depends on ease of use. So I would be
happy to help improve OpenBSD by making it easier to install and use.
But I don't know if you
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 02:25:21AM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Otto Moerbeek wrote:
I'm only talking about the tear-down. The three-way handshake happens
before that, both sockets are in ESTABSLIHED state. You have to read
half-close as a verb (action), and half-open as a description of the
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my mind software quality also depends on ease of use. So I would be
happy to help improve OpenBSD
Yes, I did test it many times.
login_radius as it is in current does not work
for me at all.
Did I test it for all cases/scenarios..?
No, I doubt it.
-Brad
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:00:46 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
Yes, I did test it many times.
login_radius as it is in current does not work
for me at all.
Did I test it for all cases/scenarios..?
No, I doubt it.
-Brad
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:00:46 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
Sorry I missed the point...
Yes, you are correct about 'passwd != ' my mistake.. I should have be using
strncmp.
This is what the diff should be:
--- raddauth.c 2007-12-13 00:38:24.0 -0800
+++ login_radius/raddauth.c 2007-12-13 00:31:35.0 -0800
@@ -117,6 +117,7 @@
int
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
ever used in my life. On the another hand KDE is 200m very elaborate GUI
coded for mostly with Linux in mind. I am not aware that one can use any
Well, AFAIK they're actually very open to !linux systems, much more than
GNOME for instance.
of
On 12.12-16:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried using pkgsrc-2007Q3 but it sucks. Updating userland in
production environment with pkgsrc on a non-NetBSD platform is a
nightmare.
i'm working on this. will post when significant progress has been
made. in my opinion having a working pkgsrc
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:20:51 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: login_radius possible changes.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
so spake Brad Arrington (bradla):
Would it be possible to change login_radius.c actually
Raimo Niskanen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:35:50AM +0100, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
This was announced on ports@ IIRC.
So if there are security bugs in a package or port shipped with OpenBSD
4.2, there will be no updated package or updated port available?
That is correct.
Now, this
Thanks a lot,
it gives the opportunity to read something new.
Now I know better about it.
I think it's a good idea to share our current reading.
On Dec 13, 2007 12:25 AM, badeguruji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/tutor/
for all new Openldap users.
thx, and sorry if
On (2007-12-13 10:28), Janne Johansson wrote:
The solution is very simple though. Everyone has been told what was
lacking in order to keep it up, so just make those resources available
and it will spring back up again. Simple as that.
Noone said we dont want stable packages.
It's
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:44:35 +0100
Mathieu Stumpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I agree easy to use and sample are not the same for everyone. That's
why, to my mind, a good installer should provide several methods to
install.
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to
On 2007/12/12 14:54, Unix Fan wrote:
Why even have a -CURRENT ports tree?...
So that there are updated ports/packages for people running
-current, and quite importantly, for the next release.
IME it's a lot easier to run snapshots than -stable.
Have you tried it, or did you just decide you
On 2007/12/12 16:18, Prabhu Gurumurthy wrote:
bge0: flags=8943UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet 172.21.171.6 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 172.21.171.255
bge1: flags=8943UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet 172.21.71.2 netmask
Hi,
mixerctl output has some duplicate entries (duplicated names, but
different values), which leaves me confused. Here is the output:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $] mixerctl
outputs.dac.source=hdaudio
outputs.line.source=dac2
outputs.line.mute=off
outputs.line=124,124
outputs.line=85,85
Greetings,
Replaced the suspected CDR/DVD drive with another (known good working
condition) Panasonic DVD (SATA) drive, the same result, install fails at the
point of accessing the CD to install the software sets, so I swapped
back the
original (TSSTcorp) CDR/DVD drive.
Below is the the full
On 2007/12/13 09:09, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
It's depening on the application if sockets staying in CLOSE_WAIT are
a problem or not: it might be intentional (in the hulp duplex case),
or it might be a program forgetting to do a close.
Does select() notify the application of FIN from the other
Hi!
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:10:51AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2007/12/13 09:09, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
It's depening on the application if sockets staying in CLOSE_WAIT are
a problem or not: it might be intentional (in the hulp duplex case),
or it might be a program forgetting to do a
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:10:51AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2007/12/13 09:09, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
It's depening on the application if sockets staying in CLOSE_WAIT are
a problem or not: it might be intentional (in the hulp duplex case),
Strange typo by me... that's a Dutch word,
Mats Erik Andersson wrote:
Hello,
three weeks I set up a Subversion/Apache2 on my private
OpenBSD 4.2 to be publicly available. It was not migrated
from an earlier system. Doing this I hade cause to restart
Apache 1.3 and Apache 2.2 repeatedly until my access control
worked correctly. This
On 2007/12/13 13:22, Mats Erik Andersson wrote:
# apachectl configtest
# apachectl restart
claims to restart httpd, but in fact only kills off the
previous service without starting a new one. However,
# apachectl configtest
# apachectl stop
# apachectl start
is perfectly in order.
Hello,
three weeks I set up a Subversion/Apache2 on my private
OpenBSD 4.2 to be publicly available. It was not migrated
from an earlier system. Doing this I hade cause to restart
Apache 1.3 and Apache 2.2 repeatedly until my access control
worked correctly. This disclosed a shortcoming in Apache
First, I'd like to thank those who provided useful responces to my
query (which started this thread), both on- and off-list. I had missed
the announcement (http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=119347390302171w=1)
that -stable ports packages are no longer maintained.
Because -stable ports/packages
On 13/12/2007, Alexander Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apache is chrooted by default, making `apachectl restart' unusable for
quite some time.
It should be in the archives and possibly in the FAQ.
/Alexander
This comes up a lot. Perhaps `apachectl restart` should display a
message as a
Rob Lytle wrote:
Predrag Punosevac to me, misc
Rob Lytle wrote:
I searched back through the archives using KDE as a keyword and as
far as I can tell I am the only OpenBSD post.
This is typical for me. I end up with a unique problem that no one
can solve because it never came up before.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:35:03PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:10:51AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2007/12/13 09:09, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
It's depening on the application if sockets staying in CLOSE_WAIT are
a problem or not: it might be intentional (in
Now that I have established that KDE is not the source of my
occasional distorted Xorg display I noticed several things in the
Xorg.0.log: (Windowmaker has the problem too)
(ww) xf86AcquireGART: AGPIOC ACQUIRE failed (inappropriate ioctl for
device) and
(ww) GARTinit: AGPIOC_INFO failed
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Edd Barrett wrote:
This comes up a lot. Perhaps `apachectl restart` should display a
message as a reminder...
What is wrong with reading the FAQ?
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#httpdchroot
--
Antoine
On Dec 13, 2007 1:59 AM, visc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a mix of HP models depending on purchase date - 1300n, 1320n,
etc. Also had about 10 HP 2015s that were working FINE...
...until they upgraded their server to the most recent Redhat/Linux
kernel. Forgive me for not knowing
Alexander Hall wrote:
...
Apache is chrooted by default, making `apachectl restart' unusable for
quite some time.
It should be in the archives and possibly in the FAQ.
it is (and has been for quite some time)...
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#httpdchroot
Nick.
Hi all,
I'm trying to install httpd-2.2.6 on my openbsd 3.9 from source. I get the
following error when I run make
Making all in support
make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mbaki/httpd-2.2.6/support'
make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mbaki/httpd-2.2.6/support'
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Monah Baki wrote:
I'm trying to install httpd-2.2.6 on my openbsd 3.9 from source. I get the
following error when I run make
[snip]
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lexpat
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
You are missing expat (or the linker can't find it). pkg_add it.
Yup ... apparently it is now just a Checkpoint ...
Thanks for the catch ..
Michael
Steven Surdock wrote:
Michael Gale wrote:
Hey,
I have been asked if we can setup an IPSEC connection
with a Checkpoint
Sonicwall.
Currently I have NO information on the remote end except that it is
The ports tree is there for a reason.
On 2007/12/13 08:39, Monah Baki wrote:
/usr/local/apr/lib/libapr-1.la -lpthread
^
this is wrong, it should be -pthread.
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lexpat
in 3.9 this was in a separate port. In 4.2 it's in xbase.
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12.12-16:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried using pkgsrc-2007Q3 but it sucks. Updating userland in
production environment with pkgsrc on a non-NetBSD platform is a
nightmare.
i'm working on this. will post when significant progress has been
made. in my opinion
Hi All,
I'm compiling httpd with the following:
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache2 --enable-ssl --enable-dav
--enable-dav-fs --enable-vhost-alias --enable-rewrite --enable-so
When I run make I get the following error:
Making all in support
make[1]: Entering directory
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill, would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should help her to make the most accurate choices. Because I
think my
I've been asked to deploy an openldap server so that we can test our
software's authentication layer against it. I've never messed with LDAP
before now, so I look forward to going through this tutorial. I read the
first few slides last night and it looked pretty good.
Thanks!
Tom
On Dec 12,
On Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill, would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should
On Dec 13, 2007 12:41 PM, Antti Harri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Andris wrote:
there's already games/prboom, so why another Doom-engine?
Because someone ported it?
I don't get this there's already a ported implementation of idea.
Sounds like monopoly.
IMHO, any
Interestingly enough, if you specified that as the reason you recommend
against using OpenBSD, this thread would have been a lot shorter.
Maybe it would have led to a shorter thread, but it would not have
been accurate. My decision not to recommend OpenBSD was not based on
From license.txt in the unrar source archive:
-
The UnRAR sources may be used in any software to handle RAR archives
without limitations free of charge, but cannot be used to re-create the
RAR compression algorithm, which is proprietary.
-
UnRAR seems to be a
If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads the
book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
the citizenry? Absolutely not.
A system distribution is
Richard's words are the essence of the Free Software Foundation and
the GNU General Public License: people _must_ use free software,
people _can_ decide whether to use free software or not, but people
_must not_ be free to exercise that desire.
That is not what I said. See
LAME is free software, but distributing it may be dangerous. I do not
criticize those who distribute it. Meanwhile, the FSF support efforts
to reject MP3 format and adopt OGG formats.
his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a problem, a
social failure.
If some people think that, they did not get it from me. I do not call
BSD either of those things. I say that releasing free software under
a non-copyleft free software license is basically good (i.e., not
However, if distribution D includes this easier way to install in
its ports system, by doing so distribution D endorses it and takes on
the ethical responsibility for it.
Using the same argument I can say that gcc isn't ethical because it allows
compilation of non-free
gNewSense uses the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel facilitates utilization of
non-free blobs.
gNewSense does not include, or refer to, or tell people about
the drivers that use non-free blobs.
Torvalds's decision to put blobs into Linux was a bad one, but
gNewSense is ok because it does
Users have responsability for what they do. We do not take responsability
for them. We give them enough information to make their informed decision.
In my opinion, that's the ethical way to do things.
In my opinion, we ought to take responsibility for the recommendations
and
So, it would seem that (barring human error) the primary philosophical
difference between the packaging systems of OpenBSD and gNewSense is
that gNewSense tries to prevent you from seeing any packages they
consider non-Free, while OpenBSD directly provides only Free software
As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying
to police users by forbidding them to maintain and retrieve port
metadata about unfree software via this adjunct service (that is not
included in the OS) would be a restriction of the users' freedom.
Obviously
Users have responsability for what they do. We do not take responsability
for them. We give them enough information to make their informed decision.
In my opinion, that's the ethical way to do things.
In my opinion, we ought to take responsibility for the recommendations
and
However, it is trivially easy to use the
gNewSense apt system to install unfree software.
Any general-purpose system can run non-free software, but that's not
the issue. The issue is whether a distribution refers people to the
non-free software or not.
Since so many messages have been
Do you believe that The Pirate Bay is guilty of copyright infringement?
That is a legal question, not an ethical question. I do not know what
the law of any given country would say about the Pirate Bay. You
would need to ask a lawyer.
Instead of that legal question, we could ask an ethical
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:06AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
Maybe it would have led to a shorter thread, but it would not have
been accurate. My decision not to recommend OpenBSD was not based on
personalities.
Interesting.
So have you sent these types of unrecommendations to other
Your definition of free is replete with chains; you would deny the
freedom of choice in the name of freedom.
Freedom means having control of your own life; Freedom of choice is
a partly accurate and partly misleading way to describe that, and
taking that expression too literally leads to
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote:
If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads the
book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
the citizenry?
Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports
system includes non-free programs. Is that accurate too?
Strictly speaking, no. If you unpack ports.tar.gz
you will find a bunch of makefiles, packing lists,
c., all of which are free.
I should
Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
way longer than really needed.
RMS has his viewpoint and would prefer to defend it.
We have our own war cry, Shut-up and hack :-)
Best,
On Dec 13, 2007 10:22 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LAME is free
On Dec 13, 2007 9:51 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You cannot claim the credit for letting them, because it is a fact
that they can do so in any case. It is misleading to speak of letting
or stopping the users from installing non-free software.
What's really going on is that
On 12/13/07, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being petty to make an issue out of it.
I don't think it is wrong in general to relicense code
Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the
conversation/technical details at hand, would be much more friendly..
even considering friendship wasn't the subject of discussion in the
first place.
Someone else attacked me on this list for not discussing this with
On Dec 13, 2007 5:52 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
gNewSense uses the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel facilitates
utilization of
non-free blobs.
gNewSense does not include, or refer to, or tell people about
the drivers that use non-free blobs.
You manipulate my
However, if distribution D includes this easier way to install in
its ports system, by doing so distribution D endorses it and takes on
the ethical responsibility for it.
Using the same argument I can say that gcc isn't ethical because it
allows
compilation of
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 01:07:17PM +, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:
First, I'd like to thank those who provided useful responces to my
query (which started this thread), both on- and off-list. I had missed
the announcement (http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=119347390302171w=1)
that -stable
On 2007-12-13 17:51, Richard Stallman wrote:
If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads
the
book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
the
As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying
to police users by forbidding them to maintain and retrieve port
metadata about unfree software via this adjunct service (that is not
included in the OS) would be a restriction of the users' freedom.
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everything.
-Bob
Do you apply this reasoning to
On 13/12/2007, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads the
book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:14AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying
to police users by forbidding them to maintain and retrieve port
metadata about unfree software via this adjunct service (that is not
On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:40 AM, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my mind software quality also depends on ease of
Would everyone in the room who maintain a complete, working operating
system please raise their hands?
would everyone who is forced to co-opt or recommend other people's
operating systems... because their own is unfinished... please go away
and write some code or something?
thank you
On 2007/12/13 11:51, Richard Stallman wrote:
I'm talking about something else: what the system distro suggests
that the user do.
OpenBSD does not suggest that people use ports. We suggest people
use binary packages.
With two exceptions (which look like they're marked in error since
their
If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads
the
book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
the citizenry? Absolutely not.
A system
Even the Xorg list archives don't contain any thing like my warnings,
so I guess I will just live with it.
Rob
--
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free
our minds Bob Marley, Redemption Song
On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
way longer than really needed.
I'm enjoying watching RMS struggle and fail to make any headway with his
argument.
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:52:01 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
However, it is trivially easy to use the
gNewSense apt system to install unfree software.
Any general-purpose system can run non-free software, but that's not
the issue. The issue is whether a distribution
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:52:10 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Your definition of free is replete with chains; you would deny the
freedom of choice in the name of freedom.
Freedom means having control of your own life; Freedom of choice is
a partly accurate and partly
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports
system includes non-free programs. Is that accurate too?
(William Boshuck replied:)
Strictly speaking, no. If you unpack ports.tar.gz
On 13/12/2007, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you believe that The Pirate Bay is guilty of copyright infringement?
That is a legal question, not an ethical question. I do not know what
the law of any given country would say about the Pirate Bay. You
would need to ask a
Hi,
Amarendra Godbole writes:
mixerctl output has some duplicate entries (duplicated names, but
different values), which leaves me confused. Here is the output:
I see... this happens when an item has both input and output
levels that can be adjusted.
Could you try this diff please? It
Theo de Raadt wrote:
... your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
There's one for usr.bin/mg/theo.c
--
Jack J. Woehr
Director of Development
Absolute Performance, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
303-443-7000 ext. 527
Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
thing yourself.
Please see
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
And
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
What's
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everything.
I love this one. May be will need a
Richard Hypocrite Stallmann,
we, OpenBSD, are endorsing non-free software?
what is that: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html ?
old man, stop trolling.
Richard,
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
(while others promise the moon, we deliver.)
- Marc
http://xkcd.com/356/
--
Christopher Linn celinn at mtu.edu | By no means shall either the CEC
System Administrator II | or MTU be held in any way liable
Center for Experimental Computation | for any opinions or conjecture I
Michigan Technological University | hold to or
Hi,
mixerctl output has some duplicate entries (duplicated names, but
different values), which leaves me confused. Here is the output:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $] mixerctl
outputs.dac.source=hdaudio
outputs.line.source=dac2
outputs.line.mute=off
outputs.line=124,124
outputs.line=85,85
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:58:51AM -0700, Tom Rosso wrote:
On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
way longer than really needed.
I'm enjoying watching RMS struggle and fail to make any
On 12/10/07, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Nick, sorry to go against you, but do take a look at;
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/sudo/
It's been eliminated since there's a replacement by Todd under a
non-GNU license.
~Mayuresh
Crazy, but
On Dec 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If OpenBSD could spin off the ports system (perhaps people could put
it on the Pirate Bay), and break off connection with it, then it would
cease to convey any message from OpenBSD to the users. Then I could
recommend OpenBSD
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
:
It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
tree has no non-free software in it at all.
Does that make it non-free?
On Dec 13, 2007 12:53 PM, Tom Rosso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 13, 2007 9:51 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's really going on is that you are helping them use the non-free
software, which grants it legitimacy. That is what I object to.
I don't believe anybody who
yes,that is the result of games carp plays with routes (which it
shouldn not, imo, but anyway). it should finally work as advertised in
-current even with unnumbered carpdevs.
Hi Henning,
Updating to -current did the trick. Thanks very much.
What was the problem here?
Charlie
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:35:03PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
:
or it might be a program forgetting to do a close.
Does select() notify the application of FIN from the other side?
If not, that would explain things, it wouldn't be reasonable for
httpd to manually try and receive
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
and thus contradicts the idea that software should be free.
there are reasons for the saying
Hello,
I've just installed OpenBSD current on an Intel DQ35MP motherboard with a Quad
processor, this is the
dmesg log. Some devices are not recognized (PCI slot, ethernet, etc)
OpenBSD 4.2-current (GENERIC) #558: Tue Nov 20 10:36:15 MST 2007
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On 12/13/07, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
and thus contradicts the idea that software should be free.
Dadgummit! Now we're going to have to tell
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a problem, a
social failure.
If some people think that, they did not get it from me. I do not call
BSD either of those things. I say that releasing free software under
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