[JOB WANTED] !

2002-03-27 Thread brian moseley
hiya. quick note to let folks know that i am once again available for work in the sf bay area. i'm finally all settled in san francisco and am eager to get back to the craft after several months off. my resume is located at http://www.maz.org/bcm/resume.pdf (text, html, word versions also

Re: Caching LDAP connections

2002-02-08 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Remi Godin wrote: Is there an Apache::Net::LDAP type module that would cache LDAP connections? Something that behaves in the same manner as Apache::DBI how about ResourcePool? it includes a ResourcePool::Resource::Net::LDAP class.

Re: mod_perl version for Tomcat

2002-02-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brett W. McCoy wrote: Why would you need mod_perl with Tomcat? You can use Tomcat with Apache using mod_jk, and get the best of both worlds. presumably so that he doesn't have to port his cgi programs to servlets. i'm pretty sure tomcat has the capability to execute cgi

RE: mod_perl version for Tomcat

2002-02-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Stathy G. Touloumis wrote: Hmmm, from what I've read of Tomcat it is recommended to use it in conjuction with apache and just proxy specific requests to Tomcat. that's why i recommended he spend his time getting apache working with ssl. ps: you don't proxy requests to

Re: New mod_perl Logo

2002-01-31 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Paul Cotter wrote: Give it some other marketting name, even if it keeps its original name in places like this. didn't you people read perrin's message? do you think this is the first time this topic has been discussed? do you think it's gonna change doug's mind /this/

Re: kylix: rad!

2002-01-14 Thread brian moseley
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Daniel Aldham wrote: Slashdot and Freshmeat ran a story on the weekend about the Borland/Kylix license. Pretty draconian stuff. that's where i heard of it.

Re: kylix: rad!

2002-01-13 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Perrin Harkins wrote: Well, does this product actually have any users to compete for? unknown. i figure a large established software company isn't going to spend time developing a product for a market that doesn't exist, but you never know. GUI builders usually don't

Re: kylix: rad!

2002-01-13 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Gunther Birznieks wrote: OK, I learned mod_perl, now where are my hot chicks! :) no, no, you have to pledge the frat! I think a UI tool would help a bit, but it wouldn't necessarily solve the hard part of mod_perl which is the lack of Interpreter cleanup between

kylix: rad!

2002-01-12 Thread brian moseley
have you folks seen kylix? http://www.borland.com/kylix/ check out this white paper that describes how to create cgis and modules for apache: http://www.borland.com/kylix/papers/apache_development.pdf kylix looks pretty much like ye olde application framework, just like what many of us

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::AppCluster 0.2

2002-01-09 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Mark Maunder wrote: The difference is that AppCluster allows you to call multiple remote methods on the server (or on multiple distributed servers) simultaneously. However, I wasn't aware of PlRPC and I really like the interface i.e. the way it creates a copy of the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::AppCluster 0.2

2002-01-09 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Mark Maunder wrote: Well, I guess two methods could be added to the client object. One to add a concurrent request to be called (register_request()) and one to send all registered requests concurrently. I'm not the author though, so you'll have to chat to Jochen about

Re: irc

2001-12-26 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Philippe M. Chiasson wrote: I am usually on rhizomatic, and #mod_perl sounds pretty good to me. there's folks on both #mod_perl and #modperl. let's drop #mod_perl, cos the other is easier to type. who runs rhizomatic? do they have a standard channel registration process?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::Singleton 0.03

2001-12-22 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Tatsuhiko Miyagawa wrote: Note that multiple process cannot share blessed reference without serialization, so *One instance for one server* is just an idea. What it means is, one instance for one process, and multiple instances with shared

transient object data

2001-12-22 Thread brian moseley
doesn't it seem like there should be a way to denote object data as transient so that it doesn't get serialized by Storable, etc? i've solved this problem in the past by writing a class-specific serialization method that undefs things i don't want serialized. but it seems like something that

irc

2001-12-22 Thread brian moseley
i can't believe i never thought to ask this in 4 years, but: do any of you hang out on irc anywhere in particular? shouldn't there be a #mod_perl somewhere, if there isn't already?

Re: transient object data

2001-12-22 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, brian moseley wrote: doesn't it seem like there should be a way to denote object data as transient so that it doesn't get serialized by Storable, etc? dammit, i keep deleting peoples' replies before i am able to reply to them myself. gunther's suggestion was to use

RE: mod_perl vs. C for high performance Apache modules

2001-12-14 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Thomas Moore wrote: I spoke to the technical lead at Yahoo who said mod_perl will not scale as well as c++ when you get to their level of traffic, but for a large ecommerce site mod_perl is fine. the old memory is cheap rationalization doesn't go over very well at that

Re: Apache::Registry HTTP HEAD feature fix ;-)

2001-11-25 Thread brian moseley
instead of redirecting stdout to /dev/null, how about redirecting it to a temporary buffer? that way you can calculate the size of the output and set the content length on the response. On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Hi guys, As promised I have been producing a fix for

[JOB WANTED] looking for a job!

2001-11-15 Thread brian moseley
hiya. after almost a year off for good behavior in australia, i'm moving back to the states. anybody want to hire me? :) preferred locations include the sf bay area (but not the south bay), portland, and seattle. i'd also consider vancouver and toronto, visa issues permitting. i'm looking for

[ANNOUNCE] Wombat and libservlet releases

2001-11-06 Thread brian moseley
(apologies to those for whom this is a cross-post) after many months, i'm finally able to announce releases of my various servlet packages. - libservlet 0.9.2 (servlet api) http://libservlet.sourceforge.net/ - Wombat 0.7.1 (servlet container) http://wombat.sourceforge.net/ -

Re: perl.apache.org / apache.perl.org

2001-10-11 Thread brian moseley
On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Stas Bekman wrote: can you please post the URL again? thanks! http://thisishomemade.com/for/modperl/site/ like he said before, it's really just a reorganization of the available information, rather than a complete site architecture with fancy rollover navigation, huge menu

Re: perl.apache.org / apache.perl.org

2001-10-11 Thread brian moseley
On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Stas Bekman wrote: We have had two new designs worked out long time ago, but one has been picked by take23.org and the other wasn't applied. (hi brian) :( sorry! i have this tendency to bite off more than i can chew. i have 10 projects and none of them will ever be

Re: [OT] What hourly rate to charge for programming?

2001-10-10 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: At 05:14 PM 10/10/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know where I can get paid more than AU$10/hour (US$4.90 to US$5 per hour) for my mod_perl programming... You guys in America get $100US per hour?! My god, I'm in the wrong country...

Re: [VERY OT] What hourly rate to charge for programming?

2001-10-10 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And imitation Guiness. Also Tooheys, (Four-X, rednecked Queensland favourite), Hahn, etc. Home-brew imitation guinness is still better than any of the rest. altho when it's not available i a quite happy with vb!

Re: server log oddness

2001-08-26 Thread brian moseley
was there ever a response to this message? i don't recall one, but i may have missed it. thanks. On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, brian moseley wrote: when exactly is the server log (Apache-server-log) shut down? i've registered a server cleanup handler that, among other things, tries to write some

Re: odd behavior with Cache::Cache

2001-08-04 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, DeWitt Clinton wrote: Can you check the actual data contained within the object? If I understand things right, there is a chance that the data itself is indeed the same. However, the instance containing the data (in your case, an instance of Wombat::Core::Session) will

Re: odd behavior with Cache::Cache

2001-08-04 Thread brian moseley
to ignore for now but would be nice to eventually prevent. On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, brian moseley wrote: On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, DeWitt Clinton wrote: Can you check the actual data contained within the object? If I understand things right, there is a chance that the data itself is indeed the same

Re: odd behavior with Cache::Cache

2001-08-04 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, DeWitt Clinton wrote: Excellent, this is the right approach. Sounds like I need to update the documentation to say that objects retrieved from the cache are not 'live,' they are clones. If you want to save modifications, remember to store them again in the cache.

server log oddness

2001-08-04 Thread brian moseley
when exactly is the server log (Apache-server-log) shut down? i've registered a server cleanup handler that, among other things, tries to write some debugging messages to the server log. however, it seems that calling $slog-debug somehow silently dies; my code stops executing at the point i

Re: dbi abstraction layer on perlmonks

2001-08-02 Thread brian moseley
for the next perl conference i'm writing a do everything abstraction layer. it will provide a do_stuff routine that will, out of the box, do your laundry and perform oral sex. scalable, robust, state of the art technology for e-businesses. On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, clayton cottingham wrote: hey

Re: note on wombat

2001-07-31 Thread brian moseley
next month and a half free. you'll get your answers then :) On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Jeremy Howard wrote: brian moseley wrote: for those of you who were at the presentation this morning and wanted more info on wombat - here are the urls: http://libservlet.sourceforge.net http

note on wombat

2001-07-26 Thread brian moseley
for those of you who were at the presentation this morning and wanted more info on wombat - here are the urls: http://libservlet.sourceforge.net http://wombat.sourceforge.net i'm working really hard on getting everything pulled together so you can download and run the thing. the actual

libapreq build error

2001-07-24 Thread brian moseley
hiya. trying to build the latest cpan version of libapreq with perl 5.6.1 + use5005threads, apache 1.3.20, mod-perl 1.25. got this error: Request.xs: In function `upload_hook': Request.xs:230: `thr' undeclared (first use in this function) attached full script of build attempt and perl -V. any

Re: BOF?

2001-07-19 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: Sunday evening where? sounds like the hotel bar is the only real option. i'll be there 8.30-9pm i guess.

Re: BOF?

2001-07-16 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Eric Cholet wrote: --On 16/07/01 16:48 +0200 Robin Berjon wrote: I arrive on Sunday evening too, is there a good way to recognize a bunch of modperlians ? I've only ever seen two people on this list so if they aren't there I won't recognize anyone :) don't worry,

Re: BOF?

2001-07-14 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Ken Williams wrote: I just noticed that there's no mod_perl BOF listed at http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/pub/10/bofs.html . Is one scheduled? If not, let's get one together. speaking of which. there should be an opening night piss-up, eh? somebody that

Re: BOF?

2001-07-14 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Richard Dice wrote: Which opening night would that be? I'm not getting in until Tuesday noon. At the same time, I'm recovering at the moment from last night's piss-up... I don't think I'll need a repeat anytime soon. Still, I'm sure the company would be fun. :-) umm,

Re: tying STDIN/STDOUT

2001-07-13 Thread brian moseley
hmm... i think i have a similar question. i want to prevent people from writing data directly to the apache connection and instead force them to use an object i provide for generating output. they can call $obj-print() directly, but i also want them to be able to use 'print foo\n' as is

Re: detecting ssl

2001-07-13 Thread brian moseley
implementation. João Pedro brian moseley wrote: warning: these may be silly questions. but i've looked through the guide and not found the answers, so hopefully they're not that silly. how can i test in a content handler if the request was received over an ssl connection? do i have to look

custom config directives

2001-07-13 Thread brian moseley
is there any good thorough documentation on building custom config directives other than what's in the eagle book? i left mine back in au and i don't really want to buy another one :)

detecting ssl

2001-07-10 Thread brian moseley
warning: these may be silly questions. but i've looked through the guide and not found the answers, so hopefully they're not that silly. how can i test in a content handler if the request was received over an ssl connection? do i have to look for an environment variable? is there a test that

Re: The latest templating system: PSP in DDJ

2001-07-08 Thread brian moseley
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: Good grief! This sounds exactly like Apache::ASP with its XMLSubs feature. except with asp you get the whole asp web application environment as well.

Re: Apache::SimpleTemplate

2001-07-07 Thread brian moseley
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Text::Template probably is the most similar existing package, but it is not made for mod_perl. someone well- versed in mod_perl could build a mod_perl wrapper of it fairly quickly, but they or especially someone new to mod_perl shouldn't have to.

Re: Apache::SimpleTemplate

2001-07-07 Thread brian moseley
On 7 Jul 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Yes. Writing a templating system in Perl is trivial. Writing a *useful* templating system in Perl is demonstratably hard. unless you keep application features in a separate layer from the templating system (eg the servlet api ;)

server tokens

2001-06-23 Thread brian moseley
is there any way to access the server tokens in mp 1.24? i'd like to use them at server startup time.

Re: server tokens

2001-06-23 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, brian moseley wrote: is there any way to access the server tokens in mp 1.24? i'd like to use them at server startup time. You have to use XS. AxKit does it this way. I'd paste the code here but it's a bit all over

fancy perl2html replacement

2001-06-19 Thread brian moseley
warning: these questions are completely off list topic, but i bet they're still interesting to lots of you. does anybody know if nice fancey pod2html replacements exist? specifically, i want a tool that generates framesets with package and class indexes like javadoc does. also, what's the

Re: [OT] Re: fancy perl2html replacement

2001-06-19 Thread brian moseley
neat! thanks for the info. On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Stas Bekman wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, brian moseley wrote: warning: these questions are completely off list topic, but i bet they're still interesting to lots of you. You want to take these questions to a list designed especially

[JOB] looking for one

2001-06-10 Thread brian moseley
hiya. time to pimp myself out again! i'm looking for full time or contract work beginning in july. the catch of course is that i'll need to be able to telecommute from melbourne, australia at least 50-75% of the time. i have no special requirement for the remainder :) i'll be in san francisco

[ANNOUNCE] libservlet 0.9.1

2001-06-10 Thread brian moseley
The URL http://www.maz.org/libservlet/dist/libservlet-0.9.1.tar.gz has entered CPAN as file: $CPAN/authors/id/I/IX/IX/libservlet-0.9.1.tar.gz size: 79634 bytes md5: b091b143fe57bc05214ec9db6eb40d6d This is the first public version of libservlet. You can't do much with it yet,

Re: Real Widgets and Template Languages

2001-05-31 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Let's put it this way, I have actually used widgets for the last 6 months in real world applications using JSPs and widget libraries in Java. I can't tell you what a joy it is to work with something so relatively simple and just easy to put

Re: Real Widgets and Template Languages

2001-05-31 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: I think it can be supported through a custom subclass of what you have been describing as a container/controller for the widgets. I think if it is done at the widget level it is bloating the widget set and I honestly don't see why a widget

Re: Real Widgets and Template Languages

2001-05-31 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Hmmm, I don't know about memory savings. But the feature you've outlined here could be taken advantage of by widgets but I don't think it should be part of the widget library. I think it's better as a separate CPAN module for dealing with I18N

Re: unsubscribe remove

2001-05-29 Thread brian moseley
unsubscribe remove what goes on with all this unsubscribe remove crap i'm seeing on multiple mailing lists? is this the magic phrase for some new mlm i haven't seen yet? for god's sake people, look at the message headers: list-help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] list-unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Real Widgets and Template Languages

2001-05-25 Thread brian moseley
On 25 May 2001, Chip Turner wrote: My only objection to this (as I stated in another email) is that it leaves things largely unspecified. It's similar to the old perl problem of passing big hashes around; you assume the data is there, but there's no real way to find out without checking

Re: Appending Sessionid to all the urls

2001-05-25 Thread brian moseley
On 25 May 2001, Chip Turner wrote: The problem you mention is real, but in real world scenarios it can typically be avoided. About the only thing you can't avoid is if the user wants to log in simultaneously as two different users. Most normal users don't want to do that, though :) only

Re: Real Widgets and Template Languages

2001-05-25 Thread brian moseley
On 25 May 2001, Chip Turner wrote: Code is cleaner if you can say the nth parameter is derived from the base class Foo::Bar as opposed to the nth parameter is an object that must support the baz, blah, foop, and fitz methods that accept parameters in the following way... you can certainly

ANNOUNCE: Soup (0.2) (fwd)

2001-05-24 Thread brian moseley
so who's doing the perl wrappers? -- Forwarded message -- Date: 22 May 2001 23:48:06 -0400 From: Alex Graveley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ANNOUNCE: Soup (0.2) Ximian is happy to announce the first release of Soup, a Simple Object Access

Re: Exception modules

2001-04-30 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: type of exception. Right now I cannot in fact think of any program I have written that branches on the type of exception. Java encourages this with multiple catch in CP Web Mail, the underlying libraries throw typed exceptions so that the

Re: Exception modules

2001-04-30 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: I've tried that, but last time I went with more general classes of exceptions containing unique error IDs (defined in a constants module) to indicate the exact type. Not as Java-like, but it did save me from creating dozens of classes with no

Re: Can AxKit be used as a Template Engine?

2001-04-23 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Matt Sergeant wrote: The alternative of course it to just plug them both together - AxKit and Mason play nicely together using Apache::Filter (though it's a bit slow). with version 2.3 of the java servlet api, you can now create input and output filters, just like the

[JOB] for hire

2001-01-21 Thread brian moseley
hi folks. i've recently moved to melbourne, australia, and pretty soon now i'll be looking for consulting work. i've been working at critical path for the last 3+ years. i was lead developer on the cpth webmail product for the first year, after which i joined the core architecture team whose

Re: [JOB] for hire

2001-01-21 Thread brian moseley
a month, so if you've got some projects on the horizon and i look like a good fit, drop me a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] cheers! On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, brian moseley wrote: hi folks. i've recently moved to melbourne, australia, and pretty soon now i'll be looking for consulting work. i've been

Re: Upgrading mod_perl on production machine (again)

2001-01-16 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, David McCabe wrote: From: Steve Reppucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've always handled the support of multiple perl versions by installing new versions of perl using a prefix like /usr/local/perl/5.6.0, etc., (I also place CPAN's build directory under that tree.) That

Re: Apache::LogSTDERR

2000-12-20 Thread brian moseley
no worries. i'll go put it on cpan. On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Kees Vonk 7249 24549 wrote: Stas, I am sorry I didn't see the 'it has not been released yet' bit of your message. I read Doug's note, which says: it's in our cvs tree here at CP, not on CPAN. it shouldn't be a problem to

Re: Email (mod_perl) Apache module?

2000-12-15 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: I have this dangling idea of building a TWIG lookalike (in Perl), with a 'plug-in'/'module' structure, so I may write the email client, and others fill with their desired modules. Anyway, it's a seriuos undertaking, but it's in my plans to

Re: Email (mod_perl) Apache module?

2000-12-15 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: brian moseley wrote: (speaking as the author of a proprietary mod_perl webmail...) DO IT!! my fear is that writing it as a mod_perl app, it'd be terribly niche, and we wouldn't get it rolling. I'd rather write a bunch of modules

Re: Email (mod_perl) Apache module?

2000-12-15 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: Is there a reason you don't want to just hack on WING? It's a pretty powerful system and it was designed for mod_perl. Look it up on CPAN. it's an option, but it's got a large amount of dependencies, which makes it a tremendous effort for me to

Re: Email (mod_perl) Apache module?

2000-12-15 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: Wing has been widely tested in the field iirc, it's probably a good idea to base anything in that domain on it. possibly. groupware applications aren't that complex really, tho (except for calendaring and scheduling); the main problem is that they're

Re: Email (mod_perl) Apache module?

2000-12-15 Thread brian moseley
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: Perrin Harkins wrote: Is there a reason you don't want to just hack on WING? I've seen TWIG and its *very* clever, if ugly. It'll let you authenticate against a lot of things. Use IMAP or POP. Use News. Use mysql, Postgres, MySQL, or none.

Re: Article idea: mod_perl + JSP

2000-12-14 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Chris Winters wrote: I think a *really* good Perl person can be faster, but that's just a gut instinct. Most of us mortals don't qualify. i used to think that, until i watched a set of really good *engineers* move quickly inside and between c++, java and perl. i no

Re: Article idea: mod_perl + JSP

2000-12-13 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: So I guess it's a matter of degree. I simply do love Perl, but I don't hate Java, I just merely really like it. I guess you could say I cheat on my Perl gf all the time. :) But unlike in life, I don't think a monogamous relationship with my

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-13 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: really notice or care. Most of the content is more or less static, at least it doesn't change all that often. yah. i'm sure wml or it's like would work just as nicely for managing the site. it's just, as everybody on this list knows, a gigantic pain in

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-13 Thread brian moseley
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: I didn't mean to target you particularly there brian :) i know :) But indeed I bumped into the same problem. Back then my todo list included writing Pod::SAX and pod2sax (a pod translator that woudl generate SAX events) and an XML publishing tool,

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread brian moseley
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though, I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely because of the C++/Java bias. you sure are missing out. - To unsubscribe,

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Has anyone written a Perl IDE in Perl? i goofed around with a class browser/code generator a while back, but i lost interest. as i recall, #perl laughed at me when i suggested it :)

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written components. I don't believe shipping all those components in AxKit (and there are a fair number required) is the right solution. Maybe I'm mistaken. that's why Bundle::AO is

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: I quite like the Zope model - a single distribution which just includes and installs everything you need in a single place. You get python, the httpd, the database, everything. Of course if you have more complex needs, like running Zope from within

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote: I know that you can communicate with the server in the request, it's not totally stand-alone. But I haven't looked into putting in handlers in other phases... i believe with mod_jk there is a callback model, yes. but given tomcat's valve architecture,

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: What does Bundle::AO give you that setting PREREQ_PM correctly wouldn't? i don't know :) i use them both. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matthew Kennedy wrote: ActiveState has built an Perl/Python IDE out of Mozilla: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/index.html too bad it's windows only :/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matthew Kennedy wrote: from CPAN, then good for you. I'm sure you can in some cases. I think mod_perl has done an excellent job of conquering the the two-teir web-based problems. I love tools such as Mason and Apache::ASP which ride on mod_perl. Perl-DBI is an excellent

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Aaron E. Ross wrote: while the install and auto configure part is not very glamorous, the possibility of being able to untar one package to get mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, transaction management, data relational modeling/objects and a nice

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: But, you all know that php pretty much takes over. Why? For two reasons: 1) initial corporate pushing (press/ads) 2) once well known, the word of the mouth does the rest. oh, there's also the part about php being so much easier to setup and to program

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote: I picture only 10% of people who build web sites ever needing to use mod_perl directly. I think they're more likely to use the systems that are built *in* mod_perl, like Mason, AxKit, and so on. If there's a with a lot of information about

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Aaron Johnson wrote: I am all for advocating the use of mod_perl, but the basics of setup, install and usability are always going to be key. really? how many people actually need to configure and install mod_perl itself? how many people simply need a really simple

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Gerald Richter wrote: I know that S.u.S.E. Linux (at least the german version) include a Apache with mod_perl as DSO ( but I never have tried it, I always compiled Apache/Perl/mod_perl etc. from the source), but they neither have included any of the Apache::* modules or

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
people won't use the software if you don't give them a compelling reason. mod_perl and the higher layer systems that use it are not as easy to configure or program as php, and they have a lot less support from external software vendors or relevance inside engineering shops than java. we are

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: Therefore if the same job can be done with Perl and Java, why not to have your staff happy? That's the main point I think. Of course if the bussiness suffers because Perl is not good enough, that's a different point. Given that at least the same

Re: [OT] mod_perl longevity [Was: mod_perl advocacy projectresurrection]

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ajit Deshpande wrote: Well, the above question pre-supposes that Java is inherently *better* than mod_perl for some definition of "better". it's true. i stayed away from defining better in that msg, but explored in a separate one in this thread. suffice to say, the wealth

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: Perhaps if someone makes a mod_perl based embedded scheme like Cold Fusion or PHP, that has some special hooks into Apache for performance that the other solutions don't offer. . . how is mason not like this? Honestly, though, I didn't believe the

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dave Rolsky wrote: Each has its advantages. Perl is good for real programmers who are going to write code to actually solve a problem. Java is good for monkeys who think that buying a $100k app server and tweaking it via a monolithic API will give them what they want.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ajit Deshpande wrote: IMHO, it shouldnt be that difficult if you make some good assumptions. For example, how difficult will it be to maintain the following package: 1. Assume Perl 5.5.3 OR 5.6.0 2. Assume latest Apache and static mod_perl 3. Assume latest

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: the availability of application server products in the java world is another example. go look at enhydra enterprise (http://www.enhydra.org/software/enhydraEnterprise/) and tell me that something like

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, kevin montuori wrote: i'm not sure about "all handlers, all the time" but a good deal of what i'm using mod_perl for is session management, credential maintenance, custom logging, on-the-fly compression, and other "housekeeping" tasks. i think

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: But I'd really love to hear some rational discussion on transaction object support. There are open source J2EE implementations - would it be possible to look a porting the transaction management components of that to Perl? Would this be desirable?

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: Transaction support for your business logic is easy in J2EE. It's not clear how you do this in Perl? Use an RDBMS. what about transactions that span data sources? yes, this does happen.

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: Brian, you've been taking a beating on this thread. I don't want to add to it, but you did raise a couple of interesting questions in this post. a beating? i don't think so at all, it's been one of the most restrained threads on this range of topics

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: Someone else brought this up with me off the list. Briefly, I said that this doesn't usually happen with web sites for performance reasons and that major RDBMS the world doesn't revolve around two tier web sites. consider a scenario in which

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: I think the issue is Perl for web applications advocacy rather than mod_perl advocacy. If more people thought using Perl for web apps was cooler and easier than using PHP, then they would use Perl and then graduate to mod_perl when they were

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