Hi Jesse,
1. What's the difference between getting the texmf tree using rsync, as
you suggest, and using ctxtools --updatecontext? Are those equivalent?
You might read the underneath thread from here on, as well as its later
posts...
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Jesse Alama wrote:
Mojca Miklavec writes:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jesse Alama wrote:
Thomas A. Schmitz writes:
The basis for my own comments in this thread do not lie in a preference
for graphical tools, but rather for a straightforward way to stay
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Mojca Miklavec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Jesse Alama wrote:
Mojca Miklavec writes:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jesse Alama wrote:
Thomas A. Schmitz writes:
The basis for my own comments in this thread do not lie in a
Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jesse Alama wrote:
Thomas A. Schmitz writes:
The basis for my own comments in this thread do not lie in a preference
for graphical tools, but rather for a straightforward way to stay
up-to-date with the whole of
Furthermore let me doubt that a simplified installation it's enough to
persuade new users since ConTeXt requires manuals reading which is
universally considered a waste of time.
Hmm, Diego, that's not the point IMHO.
We have to decouple installation from use. I'm an example of a user
who
If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running
ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the
solution than ever.
:-(
Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell
(AKA
command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box).
Otherwise we get a
Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to
properly interact with TeX is via the command line.
In fact you gain a lot when trying to
track down a problem ...
Furthermore, in my humble opinion interaction with TeX should
concentrate on programming the actual
On Saturday 14 June 2008 07:07:53 am Oliver Buerschaper wrote:
Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to
properly interact with TeX is via the command line.
The amount of interaction with TeX in any form is minimal. If it runs
to completion fine, if it stalls one
What I said is: you can provide all the GUI tools you
want, at some point (and this will be rather sooner than later)
problems will crop up, and these problems will be impossible to
resolve if you don't want to use the command line, don't want to learn
about PATH settings, don't want to learn
Who said that the only way to properly interact with TeX is via the
command line? What I said is: you can provide all the GUI tools you
want, at some point (and this will be rather sooner than later)
problems will crop up, and these problems will be impossible to
resolve if you don't want to
Thomas A. Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Jun 14, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Oliver Buerschaper wrote:
Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to
properly interact with TeX is via the command line.
Counter example: in Mac application development your IDE of choice
will
On Jun 14, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
Thomas, I do not know what Oliver is actually doing.
But just 2c:
- suppose you have a ConTeXt distro (the minimal) inside a mac app.
At the end a mac app is typically a folder containing different
programs/libraries etc
- suppose you
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jesse Alama wrote:
Thomas A. Schmitz writes:
The basis for my own comments in this thread do not lie in a preference
for graphical tools, but rather for a straightforward way to stay
up-to-date with the whole of ConTeXt in a way that ctxtools does not
Am 2008-06-14 um 19:36 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:
bundle that does just what you like is lilypond. A wonderful
typesetting application, all in one installer, not complex to install.
It has been broken on intel mac for half a year now. Nobody has the
knowledge or the time or the energy to fix
What could perhaps occur is this:
Get PC-BSD's PBI technology working with something like DarwinPorts or
whatever BSD ports tree exists for the Mac. IIRC, they now have a
relatively automated way of getting from ports to PBI's.
But you would need cooperation, legal protection or licensing for
2008/6/14 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That's not a general solution, but if you need it for yourself, you
can put the following to some file and execute it whenever you want:
rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/current/context/beta/
/path/to/your/texmf/
rsync -av
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 01:05 +0200, Diego Depaoli wrote:
Furthermore let me doubt that a simplified installation it's enough to
persuade new users since ConTeXt requires manuals reading which is
universally considered a waste of time.
In many cases, the nouveau Linux culture or Win/Mac users
For a while I thought it doesn't make sense for me to add to this
thread, but there appears to be
a complete ignorance among many power ConTeXt users about abnormal
ways to
use ConTeXt, and maybe even computers.
I believe that there are keyboard people and mouse people. I myself
am mostly
Am 2008-06-12 um 11:00 schrieb Andrea Valle:
The fact IMHO is that there's a potentially large base of ConTeXt
users which are willing to learn the syntax but are scared about
terminals, setting paths etc
(well, me too: knowing substantially nothing of unix I'm never
comfortable with
If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running
ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the
solution than ever.
:-(
Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell (AKA
command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box).
That's not true.
On Jun 13, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2008-06-12 um 11:00 schrieb Andrea Valle:
The fact IMHO is that there's a potentially large base of ConTeXt
users which are willing to learn the syntax but are scared about
terminals, setting paths etc
(well, me too: knowing
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
Note also that from the previous posts I still have not exactly understood
what I have to do to install Luatex (the famous minimals),
cd /path/to/some/folder
rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
Am 2008-06-13 um 19:08 schrieb Andrea Valle:
Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell
(AKA
command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box).
That's not true.
Installing mactex doesn't require you to use terminal.
It comes with TeXShop. Works out of the box. That was my first
On Jun 13, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Even with GUI layout projects I normally have a Terminal open - e.g.
for quick (batch) renaming (renaming is one of the few really annoying
mis-features of MacOS X - YES I REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE EXTENSION
AND I KNOW WHAT I DO,
Am 2008-06-13 um 20:26 schrieb Matthias Weber:
Even with GUI layout projects I normally have a Terminal open - e.g.
for quick (batch) renaming (renaming is one of the few really
annoying
mis-features of MacOS X - YES I REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE EXTENSION
AND I KNOW WHAT I DO, DAMNED!).
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:22 AM, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:37:11 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Andrea Valle wrote:
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
yes, if you set up
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Olivier Guéry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:22 AM, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:37:11 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Andrea Valle wrote:
Hmm, with
The fact IMHO is that there's a potentially large base of ConTeXt
users which are willing to learn the syntax but are scared about
terminals, setting paths etc
(well, me too: knowing substantially nothing of unix I'm never
comfortable with unix aspects of my system)
So, an installer is
Oliver (who's comming to the meeting with the same probability as you
are :) is preparing an installer for Mac, but his last notification
was: I have put it aside for a while since the tools for packaging
are buggy.
Well, now that this Mac installer project of mine has been made semi-
Hi Oliver,
I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the minimals
that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will provide
the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from
the MacTeX package and, in fact, as known from any decent Mac
software.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
Hi Oliver,
I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the minimals
that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will provide
the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from
the MacTeX package
Wow, much needed.
Looking forward to see it.
Best
-a-
On 11 Jun 2008, at 18:05, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
Hi Oliver,
I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the
minimals
that installs via the Apple installer. In other
I second Andrea's opinion -- I'm also looking forward to a
straightforward way of updating ConTeXt and kin. I'm comfortable with
ctxtools --updatecontext,
but much less comfortable updating binaries and fonts, based on my
experience screwing up my installation; a nice Mac OS X interface to
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:37:11 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Andrea Valle wrote:
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR
I would like to set up OSFONTDIR, but I don't
Hi to all,
I've briefly presented ConTeXt to the students of my course in Visual
Identities.
They were all enthusiastic. So they asked me if I can give an
introductory but real seminar.
At my lab the students are all on macosx 10.4/5.
Now the probem:
All my students comes from humanities,
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
Best
-a-
On 10 Jun 2008, at 16:36, Andrea Valle wrote:
Hi to all,
I've briefly presented ConTeXt to the students of my course in
Visual Identities.
They were all enthusiastic. So they asked me if I can give an
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
Hi to all,
I've briefly presented ConTeXt to the students of my course in Visual
Identities.
They were all enthusiastic. So they asked me if I can give an introductory
but real seminar.
At my lab the students are all on macosx 10.4/5.
Now
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Andrea Valle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
Yes but some fonts use AAT feayures rather than OpenType features
(take a look at the Arabic thread), so don't worry if you want to use fonts
for foreign
Andrea Valle wrote:
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Andrea Valle wrote:
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR
I would like to set up OSFONTDIR, but I don't know how or where or when
to do so. I've tried setting it in my bash
David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Andrea Valle wrote:
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR
I would like to set up OSFONTDIR, but I don't know how or where or when
to do so. I've tried setting
(thanks to all)
Oliver (who's comming to the meeting with the same probability as you
are :)
(eh, I'd like to come...)
TeX Live 2008 will include LuaTeX, and so will MacTeX (if they
create it).
That would be great
Have you ever tried to install minimals (http://
In my experience the font switching issue (complicated for newbies)
is the only relevant negative feature in ConTeXt.
So, if I have Luatex I can forget xetex?
Best
-a-
On 10 Jun 2008, at 19:37, Hans Hagen wrote:
David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Andrea
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
Have you ever tried to install minimals
(http://minimals.contextgarden.net/)?
No, frankly I am a bit scared of tweaking my actual distro...
You don't need to tweak it. You just download it and run
. setuptex
whenever you need it. If you
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