On Wed Aug 24, 2022 at 11:32 PM CEST, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 8/24/2022 10:21 PM, Michal Vlasák via ntg-context wrote:
>
> > Or rather no solution would be needed at all, since the "mtxrun" and
> > "context" wrapper commands and "texmfcnf.lua" files will be probably
> > specific for each packaging
On 8/24/2022 10:21 PM, Michal Vlasák via ntg-context wrote:
Or rather no solution would be needed at all, since the "mtxrun" and
"context" wrapper commands and "texmfcnf.lua" files will be probably
specific for each packaging target (different directories on different
distros, and Unix vs
On Tue Aug 23, 2022 at 3:11 AM CEST, Max Chernoff wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 21st, 2022 at 7:13 PM, Michal Vlasák > gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is documentation about how it can be used. I hope its obvious how
> > > I got "texmf" (texmf-context.zip, unzip, delete some files I didn't
That's great, bro.
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On Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 at 7:13 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2022, amano.kenji via ntg-context wrote:
>
> > Wuh. That's a bit complex.
>
>
> If you are packaging any flavor of TeX, you need to
On Mon, 22 Aug 2022, amano.kenji via ntg-context wrote:
> Wuh. That's a bit complex.
If you are packaging any flavor of TeX, you need to understand TDS (TeX
Directory Structure):
https://tug.org/tds/
ConTeXt distributions are TDS compatible, but simplify certain aspects.
Essentially,
> https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb34-3/tb108preining-distro.pdf
Somebody needed to update TeX Live on Gentoo Linux. I'm going to read it.
> From a developer perspective, this is essentially just the base ConTeXt
> files, a modified texmfcnf.lua, and a fairly basic makefile.
I'm going to read
> they are unlikely to spend much time making a package for a fairly unpopular
> distro where the official installer already works.
If someone adds something like installation.md to the root directory of ConTeXt
source archive or git commit, anyone can read it and translate it into one's OS
Hi Amano,
> Wuh. That's a bit complex.
Not really. From a user perspective, all that you need to run is
make install
From a developer perspective, this is essentially just the base ConTeXt
files, a modified texmfcnf.lua, and a fairly basic makefile.
> For distribution packages that
Note that each system is different.
- FreeBSD is posix and follows different packaging conventions from
various linux distributions.
- MacOS has MacPorts as well as Brew, different systems with different
packaging conventions.
etc.
A package maintainer knows the requirements of the system being
Wuh. That's a bit complex.
For distribution packages that depend on context for generation of PDF
documents, having context as a system package is essential.
And, distribution maintainers can make things work if they understand TeX
directory structure and texmfcnf.lua.
It comes down to care.
On Mon Aug 15, 2022 at 2:03 PM CEST, amano.kenji via ntg-context wrote:
> TexLive has texmfcnf.lua that doesn't really work with texlive-context
> installed by linux distributions.
>
> Arch Linux has its own patched version of texmfcnf.lua.
>
> It seems I'd be better off with a linux package for
On 8/19/2022 3:18 PM, amano.kenji wrote:
Okay. An installation guide for package distributors may appear in the future.
But, it's not going to appear anytime soon.
For now, I'm going to fix up texmfcnf.lua in Gentoo Linux texlive package for
using stable releases of ConTeXt and use install.sh
Okay. An installation guide for package distributors may appear in the future.
But, it's not going to appear anytime soon.
For now, I'm going to fix up texmfcnf.lua in Gentoo Linux texlive package for
using stable releases of ConTeXt and use install.sh for testing the latest
changes.
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On 8/19/2022 3:03 PM, amano.kenji wrote:
Wait. Are you actually saying that no one who has write access to ConTeXt
source is going to write documentation that describes manual offline
installation for package distributors?
Not sure what you mean here but basically a (future) installation is:
On 8/19/2022 2:51 PM, amano.kenji wrote:
You don't have to install anything.
What I'm asking is documentation of offline installation instructions. Offline
installation means downloading all required archives in advance and then
installing them without internet access.
Translation of what
Wait. Are you actually saying that no one who has write access to ConTeXt
source is going to write documentation that describes manual offline
installation for package distributors?
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On Thursday, August 18th, 2022 at 5:16 PM, Hans Hagen
wrote:
> On 8/18/2022
You don't have to install anything.
What I'm asking is documentation of offline installation instructions. Offline
installation means downloading all required archives in advance and then
installing them without internet access.
Translation of what install.sh roughly does into a documentation
On 8/18/2022 4:08 PM, amano.kenji wrote:
Sorry for spamming the list a little bit.
If there was something like
https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter06/ncurses.html for
ConTeXt and luametatex (binary), then distribution maintainers can make
packages for ConTeXt easily.
I
Sorry for spamming the list a little bit.
If there was something like
https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter06/ncurses.html for
ConTeXt and luametatex (binary), then distribution maintainers can make
packages for ConTeXt easily.
I don't know TeX/TeXLive/kpathsea/ConTeXt
Imagine installation instructions given by linux from scratch.
install.sh is like `apt-get install ConTeXt`.
Linux from scratch would document the following commands.
```
tar xf luametatex-2022.06.tar.xz
cd /path/to/luametatex-2022.06
make
cp luametatex /usr/bin
tar xf context-2022.06.tar.xz
I really don't understand how TexLive is installed. On Gentoo Linux, the code
that handles TexLive installation is complex. I can't reuse code that I don't
understand.
I came from LaTeX background. I got sick of handling incompatible modules in
LaTeX and decided to try ConTeXt. I had used
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:42:18 +0200
Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> sorry, i just can't spent time on all the possible variant ways of
> installation .. that is up to volunteers
OS distribution packages are the responsibility of maintainers.
"Upstream" developers can, and do, respond to
By the way, all POSIX-like opearting systems including BSDs and linux
distributions share one way of making system packages.
For all POSIX-like operating systems, a simple Makefile can build LuaMetaTex.
Since each linux distribution may have a slightly different directory
structure, it would
Okay, TexLive will get ConTeXt LMTX.
If TexLive was the official way to ship stable versions of ConTeXt, I am okay
with having TexLive ConTeXt as a system package and using ConTeXt LMTX portable
installer for testing bleeding edge features.
Still, there are a few ways to ship latest changes in
Am 18.08.22 um 02:51 schrieb Max Chernoff via ntg-context:
I think all that Amano is asking for is for older versions of the
zips/binaries to be kept available. Right now, the only files available
for download that I'm aware of are the latest versions.
There's an archive at
On 8/18/2022 2:51 AM, Max Chernoff wrote:
Hi Amano(?), Hans
Can you make it easier to make an OS package for ConTeXt LMTX by
releasing versioned (source) archives, including BUILD/INSTALL
instructions in the versioned archives, and so on? I wish I could just
extract a versioned binary
>
Hi Amano(?), Hans
> > Can you make it easier to make an OS package for ConTeXt LMTX by
> > releasing versioned (source) archives, including BUILD/INSTALL
> > instructions in the versioned archives, and so on? I wish I could just
> > extract a versioned binary archive into certain locations or
On 8/17/2022 3:09 PM, amano.kenji wrote:
* Will TexLive replace its own ConTeXt Mark IV with ConTeXt LMTX?
at some point we will switch to lmtx and mkiv is than just there and can
be used but basically it is frozen (already for a while, apart from fixes).
* context lmtx binary installer
* Will TexLive replace its own ConTeXt Mark IV with ConTeXt LMTX?
* context lmtx binary installer archive is not versioned. I can't use
unversioned archives in OS packages.
* Is it actually possible to present a separate override file for
contextcnf.lua? If not, I would need to patch
On 8/16/2022 1:43 PM, amano.kenji via ntg-context wrote:
Even if I put the installation in an archive and make a linux package that
installs the archive, I still have to modify contextcnf.lua which isn't
intended to handle differing system-wide installation paths of various
POSIX-like
Even if I put the installation in an archive and make a linux package that
installs the archive, I still have to modify contextcnf.lua which isn't
intended to handle differing system-wide installation paths of various
POSIX-like operating systems.
And, I don't really know
* what the variables
The problem is that I read that ConTeXt Mark IV will be phased out in favor of
ConTeXt LMTX.
If TexLive ConTeXt is outdated, I will want to use ConTeXt LMTX.
I want ConTeXt installed as a linux distribution package.
I think LMTX should accommodate linux distributions as well as portable
http://lmtx.pragma-ade.nl/install-lmtx/texmf-context.zip is not versioned.
If the file changes later, linux distributions refuse to use the file.
I wish ConTeXt and LuaMetaTex were versioned and provided `offline` build
instructions. The vast majority of programs are versioned and can be built
Okay, I'm seeing a few separate issues here.
1. Gentoo expects to compile everything from source.
This isn't an option here since LuaMetaTeX doesn't have any source
available (yet). So for the time being, you'll need to use the provided
binaries. These support pretty much every
I believe that you are missing the point of LMTX.
LMTX Context is intended to be a self-contained AND PORTABLE directory
tree. It does not need system installation paths and such and is
designed to happily co-exist with system installed TeX (using packages)
or TeXlive or others, without
> On 15 Aug 2022, at 13:19, amano.kenji wrote:
>
> I was trying to translate instructions in install.sh and dependencies of
> install.sh into shell commands in a Gentoo Linux package.
>
> Gentoo Linux downloads all dependencies and builds a package in a network
> namespace where there is no
From my perspective, a few optimizations for system installation need to happen
for ConTeXt.
contextcnf.lua needs to support system installation paths.
Arch Linux texlive-core packages has its own patched version of texmfcnf.lua
that sets TEXMFSYSVAR=/var/lib/texmf, TEXMFOS=/usr/share,
I was trying to translate instructions in install.sh and dependencies of
install.sh into shell commands in a Gentoo Linux package.
Gentoo Linux downloads all dependencies and builds a package in a network
namespace where there is no internet access.
Thus, install.sh cannot be directly used in
> On 15 Aug 2022, at 13:03, amano.kenji via ntg-context
> wrote:
>
> TexLive has texmfcnf.lua that doesn't really work with texlive-context
> installed by linux distributions.
>
> Arch Linux has its own patched version of texmfcnf.lua.
>
> It seems I'd be better off with a linux package
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