Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Huh, you started again with this failure thing. Start to learn something, or you will always be a failure. I'm patiently seen you make same noise you made in NetBeans mail lists... I think you want a wizard that make all you want withou knowing anything about java - except that there is a language with this name - and get a full-java-system-working-with-database-and-cross-plataform-plus-setup cookie recipt. If someone else seen your requirements about what you really want to do in the NetBeans list, will know that are impossible to meet your requirements (except about a hundred years ahead - where AI will came to machines ;-) ) I'll be happy if you start to learn, and polute less our lists... After that, I'll happy sharing my knoledge about OJB, including how to run OJB inside NetBeans (that you not asked yet - but soon or later will ask too). Best regards, Richter Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is only true, if the ojb-developers fail to encapsulate the domain knowledge. No, OJB helps you with some of the technical knowledge (i.e. databases) but not with domain knowledge (e.g. finance, e-shop ...). And OJB does not away with all technical knowledge. You're still required to be able to program in Java, use Ant etc. (as I've already written). Context of my statement (as the context of this thread): the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). We are talking about a run and a deploy abstraction. Which you have finally created, but not posted to the threads where i've asked for it. In case you forgot: Jakob created this run 'abstraction' for you days ago, but you kept demanding something better or other. I did not forget. This was not for obj-blank, but for something without sources (the result of the ojb-quickstart target). [again: my context is ojb-blank with the tutorial1 sources] All I did was make the generation of these run.bat and run.sh files automatic within ojb-blank, as you could have known when you had actually read my mail and would have bothered to check out the changes (btw, the dev-mailing archive is easily accessible from the OJB homepage, all info about the change are there). So please stop this accusing. You are accusing. Me, that I am accusing. Which is false. again i remind you the context: addition/change to ojb-blank And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. Requesting is not rude. RFC = Request For Comments. - I'm afraid you're confusing requesting with demanding. Requesting: means in German: Bitten, Anfragen. Thanks, but I know the difference. Rather, I think you mistake demanding for requesting, judging from the tone in your mails. So, you don't want to apologize for saying to me that i behave rude based on an faulty interpretation of yours? I see. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. I don't think that the people on this list (especially you) are very polite. Otherwise you would not hide changes, which were initiated by an individual (me) behind necessary domain-knowledge (CVS acess). You wrote this large message here, but you've still not posted the corrections to the list, thus the thread becomes usable in the archives (and i get my solution). Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. As said again: I depend on a minimum assistance from the developers. But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. And we are unpolite? Yes. But i've cooled down now. Come on, in every answer that you've got to your not exactly polite mails, you've got constructive and polite help from users and developers of OJB, and you still keep on insulting people although you cannot base your
RE: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. What??? OJB is most definately NOT designed for people without any domain knowledge! What use is OJB to someone who doesn't have a decent knowledge of java? None! OJB is only used by end users when it's embedded into some larger application - and they should never know it's using OJB unless there's an ackoledgement of some kind! OJB is targetted at the developers of such applications. A java application developer with no knowledge of java is a fairly useless commodity (i can think of the number of vb/access programmers who know nothing about general programming, sql, etc - and it shows in their work!) This is like saying that you shouldnt need to have driving lessons to drive a car! Madness! I agree that a good introduction to OJB is important, but to be frank, i found the written tutorials and their uncompilled code far more useful than running them! In order to use OJB productively you MUST spend time understanding how it works. Running the tutorial doesnt do that. Your comments regarding the OJB team are very unfair. I wouldnt consider myself part of the 'team' as i do very little towards development of OJB, but i feel angry at your comments. I (and i am sure this goes for the other OJB developers) have a day job, and a life outside of work. I find it almost insulting that you insist on someone mailing you a cvs checkout after several people have pointed out how you can do this yourself, and hopefully learn somthing in the process, without us wasting time doing it for you. Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. I'll do this because, as occured at other mail list, communications starts to degrade, making too much noise for about nothing. This info was shared from another user, in another mail list. Who is bored by Mr. Laziradis comments about failures and so on, check this link: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html I still trying to argue with him, with reasonable arguments, and asking him to learn java before judge, but his always start saying that learn Java isn't important... Best regads, Edson Richter Daniel Perry escreveu: the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. What??? OJB is most definately NOT designed for people without any domain knowledge! What use is OJB to someone who doesn't have a decent knowledge of java? None! OJB is only used by end users when it's embedded into some larger application - and they should never know it's using OJB unless there's an ackoledgement of some kind! OJB is targetted at the developers of such applications. A java application developer with no knowledge of java is a fairly useless commodity (i can think of the number of vb/access programmers who know nothing about general programming, sql, etc - and it shows in their work!) This is like saying that you shouldnt need to have driving lessons to drive a car! Madness! I agree that a good introduction to OJB is important, but to be frank, i found the written tutorials and their uncompilled code far more useful than running them! In order to use OJB productively you MUST spend time understanding how it works. Running the tutorial doesnt do that. Your comments regarding the OJB team are very unfair. I wouldnt consider myself part of the 'team' as i do very little towards development of OJB, but i feel angry at your comments. I (and i am sure this goes for the other OJB developers) have a day job, and a life outside of work. I find it almost insulting that you insist on someone mailing you a cvs checkout after several people have pointed out how you can do this yourself, and hopefully learn somthing in the process, without us wasting time doing it for you. Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Daniel Perry wrote: the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). = given context of this thread. If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. What??? OJB is most definately NOT designed for people without any domain knowledge! [...] - (some comments which do not affect the given context) Please decouple with precision. I'm not talking about OJB but about OJB in the above given context of this thread. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [...] - (some irrelevant comments) I'll be happy if you start to learn, and polute less our lists... you polute this thread with your off-topic comments. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. After that, I'll happy sharing my knoledge about OJB, including how to run OJB inside NetBeans (that you not asked yet - but soon or later will ask too). I am not interested in knowledge of ungentle people. Thus I am not interested in any of your knowledge. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Daniel Perry wrote: I would suggest you look in the CVS - there seems to be a newer version of build.xml that does more for automating the tutorials. Thank you! I cannot access CVS for now. I hope someone will sent me the complete new ojb-blank archive. I got the ojb-blank via email. http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. I'll do this because, as occured at other mail list, communications starts to degrade, making too much noise for about nothing. This info was shared from another user, in another mail list. Who is bored by Mr. Laziradis comments about failures and so on, check this link: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html I still trying to argue with him, with reasonable arguments, and asking him to learn java before judge, but his always start saying that learn Java isn't important... Once more: your suggestions related to my processing model are irrelevant to me. More and more, any of your suggestions becom irrelevant to me. - You have 'warned' this communtiy, so it's fine. Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with [OT]. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all, i think it's time to stop this thread. jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. I'll do this because, as occured at other mail list, communications starts to degrade, making too much noise for about nothing. This info was shared from another user, in another mail list. Who is bored by Mr. Laziradis comments about failures and so on, check this link: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html I still trying to argue with him, with reasonable arguments, and asking him to learn java before judge, but his always start saying that learn Java isn't important... Once more: your suggestions related to my processing model are irrelevant to me. More and more, any of your suggestions becom irrelevant to me. - You have 'warned' this communtiy, so it's fine. Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with [OT]. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Ok, my patience is over limit. I was contrary to your baniment from NetBeans maillists. I defended you right to express your self. I've tried to help you with usefull information. Right now, I'll recommend every mail list where I find you to ban you. It's incredible your capacity to be unglentle with people trying to help with usefull information. Dozen of people (including myself) made research, analized, and spent time to respond you, to you say it's irrelevant or it's a failure. Look yourself in a mirror, and thing again. You is a walking failure, going from maillist to maillist, getting people hungry against you. Be happy ignoring usefull things I said. And NEVER tell me what I can or can't post as response to the thread. AFAIK my comments about learn Java it very topic-related - since your question is very basic about how java.exe works. This maillist isn't to teach Java. If you don't like it, ignore it. It's your problem. Just to let you know, I'm a regular member of this list, and NEVER was told ungentle with nobody. At contrary, I spent some hours discussing things and how to get it working, and contributing code to the project, and sharing experiences with begginers. Best regards, Edson Richter Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. I'll do this because, as occured at other mail list, communications starts to degrade, making too much noise for about nothing. This info was shared from another user, in another mail list. Who is bored by Mr. Laziradis comments about failures and so on, check this link: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html I still trying to argue with him, with reasonable arguments, and asking him to learn java before judge, but his always start saying that learn Java isn't important... Once more: your suggestions related to my processing model are irrelevant to me. More and more, any of your suggestions becom irrelevant to me. - You have 'warned' this communtiy, so it's fine. Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with [OT]. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry, I sent additional response before read your ask. I'm stoping right now. Best regards, Edson Richter Jakob Braeuchi escreveu: hi all, i think it's time to stop this thread. jakob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with [OT]. [...] And NEVER tell me what I can or can't post as response to the thread. [...] [OT]Sorry to the community http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12159.html Thank you very much. The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. [...] http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html [...] [...] You have 'warned' this communtiy, so it's fine. Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with [OT]. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. hi all, i think it's time to stop this thread. jakob of course. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
ukasz Korzybski wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisa:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB:
New Project - Java Project with Existing Ant Script
We need to choose project location and select build.xml
After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc.
targets.
[...]
thank you [note: the ant-target run works from the command-line, too]
Please use this slight corrected version for Tutorial 1:
target name=run depends=compile description=Run Application
java classname=org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
[...]
the application runs withing [root].
the application needs to access files within /build/resources
Can one make the necessary modification to the above ant-target run?
the modification: add dir=.\build\resources to java...
target name=run depends=compile description=Run Application
java classname=org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application
fork=true dir=.\build\resources
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
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Command Line: ant clean build setup-db run
Problem:
application starts ok, with some debug output.
Then it enters a loop [must abort with CTRL-C]
[java] [0] List all product entries
[java] [1] Enter a new product
[java] [2] Edit a product entry
[java] [3] Delete a product entry
[java] [4] Quit Application
[java] type in number to select a use case
[java] null
-
Any ideas?
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
the modification: add dir=.\build\resources to java...
target name=run depends=compile description=Run Application
java classname=org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application
fork=true dir=.\build\resources
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
-
Command Line: ant clean build setup-db run
Problem:
application starts ok, with some debug output.
Then it enters a loop [must abort with CTRL-C]
[java] [0] List all product entries
[java] [1] Enter a new product
[java] [2] Edit a product entry
[java] [3] Delete a product entry
[java] [4] Quit Application
[java] type in number to select a use case
[java] null
-
Any ideas?
You cannot start commandline applications (that want input from console)
from within Ant, neither with the java nor with the exec tast (see
Ant doc for details). That's why I modified ojb-blank and ojb-quickstart
in CVS to create run.bat/run.sh for the apps.
Tom
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Thomas Dudziak wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
the modification: add dir=.\build\resources to java...
[...]
Command Line: ant clean build setup-db run
Problem:
application starts ok, with some debug output.
Then it enters a loop [must abort with CTRL-C]
[java] [0] List all product entries
[...]
[java] type in number to select a use case
[java] null
-
Any ideas?
You cannot start commandline applications (that want input from console)
from within Ant, neither with the java nor with the exec tast (see
Ant doc for details).
= {the highly flexible build and automation tool ant cannot start
command line applications which depend on console input}
ok
That's why I modified ojb-blank and ojb-quickstart
in CVS to create run.bat/run.sh for the apps.
You have modified it?
Why don't you post a notification to ther user forum?
How can I obtain the new version without CVS access?
I would like to start my intro apps.
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: That's why I modified ojb-blank and ojb-quickstart in CVS to create run.bat/run.sh for the apps. You have modified it? Why don't you post a notification to ther user forum? Because it is only in CVS and will be in the upcoming 1.0.2. But the developer list contains a notification. How can I obtain the new version without CVS access? I would like to start my intro apps. You have to get it from CVS or wait for the 1.0.2. But why would you need a quickstart anyway ? OJB is a system for developers not endusers, and all that the quickstart shows is that it works, nothing more. I think , the ojb-blank is much more interesting to you as it is a blueprint for an OJB project. Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, well, actualy it's possible to do something like this java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is but the classpath will be quite long ;) java -cp classes;lib\antlr-2.7.3.jar;lib\commons-beanutils.jar;lib\commons-collections-2.1.1.jar;lib\commons-dbcp-1.1.jar;lib\commons-lang-2.0.jar;lib\commons-logging.jar;lib\commons-pool-1.1.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1-junit.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1.jar;lib\hsqldb.jar;lib\log4j-1.2.8.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application [...] Now I understand! Thank you! What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application or something similar is invalid? Erm, have you actually tried it ? It's because java.exe *cannot* do this ! Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). As I said before, is hard to tech Java in some kind of mail lists (as either in NetBeans mail lists)... First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. Best regards, Edson Richter Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, well, actualy it's possible to do something like this java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is but the classpath will be quite long ;) java -cp classes;lib\antlr-2.7.3.jar;lib\commons-beanutils.jar;lib\commons-collections-2.1.1.jar;lib\commons-dbcp-1.1.jar;lib\commons-lang-2.0.jar;lib\commons-logging.jar;lib\commons-pool-1.1.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1-junit.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1.jar;lib\hsqldb.jar;lib\log4j-1.2.8.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application [...] Now I understand! Thank you! What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application or something similar is invalid? . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application or something similar is invalid? Erm, have you actually tried it ? It's because java.exe *cannot* do this ! Yes, i've tried it. And it does not work. And I just asked, _why_ this is invalid (or: why java.exe cannot do this). Possibly one can point me to a location, where I can find the rationales behind this behaviour. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Read basic Java documentation from Sun (link Tool docs). Edson Richter Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application or something similar is invalid? Erm, have you actually tried it ? It's because java.exe *cannot* do this ! Yes, i've tried it. And it does not work. And I just asked, _why_ this is invalid (or: why java.exe cannot do this). Possibly one can point me to a location, where I can find the rationales behind this behaviour. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] As I said before, is hard to tech Java in some kind of mail lists (as either in NetBeans mail lists)... First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. - If you like to assist me, please focus on the questions I raise and avoid off-topic comments. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: That's why I modified ojb-blank and ojb-quickstart in CVS to create run.bat/run.sh for the apps. You have modified it? Why don't you post a notification to ther user forum? Because it is only in CVS and will be in the upcoming 1.0.2. I've asked for a modified run and deploy to start the tutorials in another thread. [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application ! http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12029.html A team member suggested me to wait for your results. Thus, I expected of course a notification on this forum. But the developer list contains a notification. I am a user - and as such I monitor only the user forum. How can I obtain the new version without CVS access? I would like to start my intro apps. You have to get it from CVS or wait for the 1.0.2. I think the team should post the relevant files within the relevant threads (this way, the mail-archives value is increased, too). But why would you need a quickstart anyway ? To learn and use OJB quickly, and to enable other people to learn and use it quickly, thus its userbase increases, thus its evolution is faster, thus its usability for me becomes better: [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage QuickStarts http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11948.html OJB is a system for developers not endusers, I am currently an enduser of OJB. I'm not interested in developing OJB itself, but in using OJB. I like to do this, without loosing much time and energy to get it running. and all that the quickstart shows is that it works, nothing more. I think , the ojb-blank is much more interesting to you as it is a blueprint for an OJB project. The ojb-blank that i've download is not convenient - and i've lost many time with it. Other people have lost time, too: FW: Newbie Question : There was no default-PBKey specified http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12053.html - I suggest you to do what you can do best: developing on the OJB core. And I will take care of the Convenience Challenge. http://lazaridis.com/core/product/case.html - But I depend (at least a little bit) on the teams assistance. Please let me know if I can expect some minutes of the teams time, thus I can serve your furture users with convenient intro's. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You raised an off topic question when you asked why not java -cp .;lib\*. It denotes completelly lack of important knowledge about Java plataform, absolutelly needed to work with OJB or ANY java library. My answer isn't off topic. You asked, I answered. But as always, when you receive and email suggesting you learn Java, you start to defend yourself, and to say that learn Java is irrelevant. It isn't. As I said before (and I said in NetBeans mail list too), you MUST start learning Java. After that, you could use tools for Java development, and libraryies to do that. Until there, anything else you say is irrelevant to me. You make too much noise without knowing what you are doing. Sometime you shot the target, but it's just lucky. Learn Java. After that, you will find that OJB is too easy to work! And you should be interested in Java documentation. Without them, you could not startup anything in Java land. Edson Richter Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] As I said before, is hard to tech Java in some kind of mail lists (as either in NetBeans mail lists)... First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. - If you like to assist me, please focus on the questions I raise and avoid off-topic comments. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] I've often wondered if sun just got lazy :) I think it's just that its another layer of complexity in looking for classes/resources. I'm sure that many many java users would like is to specify a directory that contains JARs that should be searched. In fact it is pretty straight forward to write a classloader that searches all the jars in a directory. The only one problem i came up with is precedence. Take an example classpath: classes\;lib\a.jar;lib\b.jar This tells it to look in classes folder, then a.jar, then b.jar. This might seem insignificant, but it can make a real difference if a.jar and b.jar have two versions of the same file. As I said before, is hard to tech Java in some kind of mail lists (as either in NetBeans mail lists)... First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. Knowing the basics of java, ant, etc will certainly help you in developing these kind of projects, and help you to keep questions on this list OJB specific! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A team member suggested me to wait for your results. Thus, I expected of course a notification on this forum. But the developer list contains a notification. I am a user - and as such I monitor only the user forum. Your trying to contribute to the enhancement of OJB??? that makes you a developer :) How can I obtain the new version without CVS access? I would like to start my intro apps. You have to get it from CVS or wait for the 1.0.2. I think the team should post the relevant files within the relevant threads (this way, the mail-archives value is increased, too). That;s what the developer list is for - notification of changes to OJB, etc. Posting that stuff to the user list generates too much noise. The users list is for supporting people who are using OJB in their products, not supporting developers in their development of OJBs code. (Although, i do occasionally post bug-fixes, etc to this list as i'm not on the developers list - i get too many emails that i dont read already!) But why would you need a quickstart anyway ? To learn and use OJB quickly, and to enable other people to learn and use it quickly, thus its userbase increases, thus its evolution is faster, thus its usability for me becomes better: [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage QuickStarts http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11948.html OJB is a system for developers not endusers, I am currently an enduser of OJB. I'm not interested in developing OJB itself, but in using OJB. I like to do this, without loosing much time and energy to get it running. and all that the quickstart shows is that it works, nothing more. I think , the ojb-blank is much more interesting to you as it is a blueprint for an OJB project. The ojb-blank that i've download is not convenient - and i've lost many time with it. I can see where you're coming from, but i disagree. I started out with OJB a long time ago, and i learnt it off of the examples, and whatever documentation was available at the time - particularly the getting started guide, and the PB API tutorial, and the tutorial example code. As with most technologies, i had a play with it and picked it up. Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: [...] What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application [...] And I just asked, _why_ this is invalid (or: why java.exe cannot do this). Possibly one can point me to a location, where I can find the rationales behind this behaviour. Read basic Java documentation from Sun (link Tool docs). Cannot find it. I would be gentle [against me and future readers] to point to the resource (which you seem to be familar with). Best would be, if you point to somethin like: Java Classpath Parameter - Design Rationales . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel Perry wrote: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] I've often wondered if sun just got lazy :) [...] - (further explanations) I tend to agree with the laziness. [...] You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. Knowing the basics of java, ant, etc will certainly help you in developing these kind of projects, and help you to keep questions on this list OJB specific! To develope the project i like to develope, I need to have as less domain-knowledge as possible. My questions _are_ OJB user specific, affecting the tutorials and the [QUICKSTART]. As you can see within this thread, the team had some difficulties to provide me the solution. Now I know the reason! - But my main interest are of course the intros. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Read basic Java documentation from Sun (link Tool docs). Cannot find it. I would be gentle [against me and future readers] to point to the resource (which you seem to be familar with). Best would be, if you point to somethin like: Java Classpath Parameter - Design Rationales Why don't you do what we would have to in order to find something about it: enter this into Google and see what you find ... Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Read basic Java documentation from Sun (link Tool docs). Cannot find it. I would be gentle [against me and future readers] to point to the resource (which you seem to be familar with). Best would be, if you point to somethin like: Java Classpath Parameter - Design Rationales Why don't you do what we would have to in order to find something about it: enter this into Google and see what you find ... I am aware about google. Are you aware about the hit-ratio of google? I've simply asked is someone is aware about an _specific_ resource. This here is not my primary issue in this thread. - Why don't you sent me simple the changes that you've made via email, thus I can clean-up this thread (whilst posting the solutions to opened questions, thus future reader of the archives have the answers) and continue my work on the intro's? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: [...] First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. - If you like to assist me, please focus on the questions I raise and avoid off-topic comments. You raised an off topic question when you asked why not java -cp .;lib\*. It denotes completelly lack of important knowledge about Java plataform, absolutelly needed to work with OJB or ANY java library. My answer isn't off topic. You asked, I answered. But as always, when you receive and email suggesting you learn Java, you start to defend yourself, and to say that learn Java is irrelevant. It isn't. As I said before (and I said in NetBeans mail list too), you MUST start learning Java. After that, you could use tools for Java development, and libraryies to do that. Until there, anything else you say is irrelevant to me. You make too much noise without knowing what you are doing. Sometime you shot the target, but it's just lucky. Learn Java. After that, you will find that OJB is too easy to work! And you should be interested in Java documentation. Without them, you could not startup anything in Java land. [...] I'm afraid you repeat yourself. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Daniel Perry wrote: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] I've often wondered if sun just got lazy :) [...] - (further explanations) I tend to agree with the laziness. [...] You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. Knowing the basics of java, ant, etc will certainly help you in developing these kind of projects, and help you to keep questions on this list OJB specific! To develope the project i like to develope, I need to have as less domain-knowledge as possible. Hmm, that is a strange remark from somebody trying to develop a project. On the contrary, you should try to get *as much* domain knowledge as you can (as time and budget allow) because you need it to develop the correct system (as specified by the customer) and to do so in the correct way (i.e. technical and environmental constraints, e.g. Java, the database etc.). My questions _are_ OJB user specific, affecting the tutorials and the [QUICKSTART]. As you can see within this thread, the team had some difficulties to provide me the solution. Now I know the reason! Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is all basic stuff that you should be familiar with for about, I guess, 90-100% of the open-source Java stuff for developers out there. And there is no point in asking about Java or Ant on this mailing list, there are other well-known places for this (see http:://www.java.net and http://java.sun.com and http://ant.apache.org). If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel Perry wrote: [...] - (comments) Sorry, i cannot discuss essential project mechanics again. - [general remark] My main questions here is: Can the team provide me with the targets run and deploy in a way that i don't have to invest more time, thus I can continue to invest my time where i can be productive? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would suggest you look in the CVS - there seems to be a newer version of build.xml that does more for automating the tutorials. Daniel. -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ilias Lazaridis Sent: 23 November 2004 18:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate Daniel Perry wrote: [...] - (comments) Sorry, i cannot discuss essential project mechanics again. - [general remark] My main questions here is: Can the team provide me with the targets run and deploy in a way that i don't have to invest more time, thus I can continue to invest my time where i can be productive? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: My main questions here is: Can the team provide me with the targets run and deploy in a way that i don't have to invest more time, thus I can continue to invest my time where i can be productive? No, because we *cannot*. Both run and deploy are highly dependant upon your environment which we simply cannot know anything about. You really have to do that yourself because you're the only one who knows about your environment. The best that anybody can offer is ojb-blank upon which you should base your project: Btw, you will find that the same holds true for other libraries/frameworks (e.g. 4 of the 9 'first steps' in the Hibernate getting started doc require you to adjust the Hibernate environment to suit your needs). * Download OJB stable from CVS. You should look up in the NetBeans manual how to check out a project from CVS. The general mechanics of accessing Apache CVS repositories are described here: http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html. The ojb repository is called db-ojb, and you have to checkout the OJB_1_0_RELEASE branch there (again, see the NetBeans manual on how/where to specify these settings). * Run the Ant 'ojb-blank' target (see the NetBeans manual on how to do that). This will give you a fresh ojb-blank.jar in the dist subfolder. * Now follow the getting-started documentation at http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html This way, you will get the newest ojb-blank which will among other things generate run.bat and run.sh for you if you specify your main class in the build.properties Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Daniel Perry wrote: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check Java Tools documentation in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] I've often wondered if sun just got lazy :) [...] - (further explanations) I tend to agree with the laziness. [...] You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting the process of learning java and the process of contributing to projects did not have any relevance for me. Knowing the basics of java, ant, etc will certainly help you in developing these kind of projects, and help you to keep questions on this list OJB specific! To develope the project i like to develope, I need to have as less domain-knowledge as possible. Hmm, that is a strange remark from somebody trying to develop a project. My project is a newcomer tutorial. On the contrary, you should try to get *as much* domain knowledge as you can (as time and budget allow) because you need it to develop the correct system (as specified by the customer) and to do so in the correct way (i.e. technical and environmental constraints, e.g. Java, the database etc.). I want to develope an ojb-intro, which is usable by total newcomers. [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application ! http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12029.html This way necomers, which are attracted by a main-page which is similar to the suggested one... [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage QuickStarts http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11948.html are not disapointed. My questions _are_ OJB user specific, affecting the tutorials and the [QUICKSTART]. As you can see within this thread, the team had some difficulties to provide me the solution. Now I know the reason! Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is only true, if the ojb-developers fail to encapsulate the domain knowledge. This is all basic stuff that you should be familiar with for about, I guess, 90-100% of the open-source Java stuff for developers out there. And there is no point in asking about Java or Ant on this mailing list, there are other well-known places for this (see http:://www.java.net and http://java.sun.com and http://ant.apache.org). So, why the OJB-team has not asked there, when I raised the question about _ojb's_ ant scripts. At one point, i've asked the list: should i ask on the ant list? If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). We are talking about a run and a deploy abstraction. Which you have finally created, but not posted to the threads where i've asked for it. And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. Requesting is not rude. RFC = Request For Comments. - I'm afraid you're confusing requesting with demanding. Requesting: means in German: Bitten, Anfragen. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. I don't think that the people on this list (especially you) are very polite. Otherwise you would not hide changes, which were initiated by an individual (me) behind necessary domain-knowledge (CVS acess). You wrote this large message here, but you've still not posted the corrections to the list, thus the thread becomes usable in the archives (and i get my solution). Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. As said again: I depend on a minimum assistance from the developers. But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: My main questions here is: Can the team provide me with the targets run and deploy in a way that i don't have to invest more time, thus I can continue to invest my time where i can be productive? No, because we *cannot*. Both run and deploy are highly dependant upon your environment which we simply cannot know anything about. You really have to do that yourself because you're the only one who knows about your environment. I need them just for the ojb-blank thing... The best that anybody can offer is ojb-blank upon which you should base your project: [...] - (further process of how to get it via CVS) Can _please_ someone send me this new ojb-blank thing as a zip/jar or similar? [I assume that ojb-blank is similar to the downloadable, with the additional stuff] Come on people, i'm not an open-source parasit. I like to contribute back! - [i promise: I'll go into the CVS / apache stuff later] . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel Perry wrote: I would suggest you look in the CVS - there seems to be a newer version of build.xml that does more for automating the tutorials. Thank you! I cannot access CVS for now. I hope someone will sent me the complete new ojb-blank archive. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [..] But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. Please stop insulting the people that have shown significant patience in explaining you the simple truth. There are other ojb users, which might really need their help. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Christian Pesch wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [..] But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. Please stop insulting the people that have shown significant patience in explaining you the simple truth. You are late, things have already cooled down. Egoism and Stuborness are human characteristics. No need to feel insulted. I am sure the everyone has understood the tenor of my message. There are other ojb users, which might really need their help. I (and other future newcomers) need the help. Really. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dnia wtorek, 23 listopada 2004 19:30, Ilias Lazaridis napisa: Unbelievable - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ukasz Korzybski wrote: Dnia wtorek, 23 listopada 2004 19:30, Ilias Lazaridis napisa: Unbelievable yes, I agree. The thread has become unbelievable big - and i've still not an ojb-blank (whilst using only the ojb website). can you please get the new ojb-blank from the cvs and mail post it? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is only true, if the ojb-developers fail to encapsulate the domain knowledge. No, OJB helps you with some of the technical knowledge (i.e. databases) but not with domain knowledge (e.g. finance, e-shop ...). And OJB does not away with all technical knowledge. You're still required to be able to program in Java, use Ant etc. (as I've already written). If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). We are talking about a run and a deploy abstraction. Which you have finally created, but not posted to the threads where i've asked for it. In case you forgot: Jakob created this run 'abstraction' for you days ago, but you kept demanding something better or other. All I did was make the generation of these run.bat and run.sh files automatic within ojb-blank, as you could have known when you had actually read my mail and would have bothered to check out the changes (btw, the dev-mailing archive is easily accessible from the OJB homepage, all info about the change are there). So please stop this accusing. And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. Requesting is not rude. RFC = Request For Comments. - I'm afraid you're confusing requesting with demanding. Requesting: means in German: Bitten, Anfragen. Thanks, but I know the difference. Rather, I think you mistake demanding for requesting, judging from the tone in your mails. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. I don't think that the people on this list (especially you) are very polite. Otherwise you would not hide changes, which were initiated by an individual (me) behind necessary domain-knowledge (CVS acess). You wrote this large message here, but you've still not posted the corrections to the list, thus the thread becomes usable in the archives (and i get my solution). Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. As said again: I depend on a minimum assistance from the developers. But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. And we are unpolite? Come on, in every answer that you've got to your not exactly polite mails, you've got constructive and polite help from users and developers of OJB, and you still keep on insulting people although you cannot base your accusations with any facts ? (and from what I gather from another mail in this thread, this is not the first time that this has happened ?) No one hides anything here (remember that this is an open source project ?), but rather you seem to refuse to use the help that you've been given already. How are we supposed to help, then ? I would like to politely ask you to stop accusing people and actually use the help that the people on this list gave you (read the docs and mails, follow the pointers, etc.), so that you and we can start getting work done again. Tom PS: I will send you the ojb-blank.jar directly, as this is not possible within the mailing list (list restrictions). Be aware though, that it a hefty 4.5 MB download. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
All, This has been an interesting thread. I was tempted to rename it to, How to kill a good idea. :) First, I want to say that I think OJB is a great O/R framework and I really appreciate the careful thought, thorough design, and hard work that the contributors and related community have put into it. The documentation and example code that exist today have enabled our team to learn how to use OJB AND to deploy a major application into a production environment. It works great!!! Thank you. However, I agree that it would be in everyone's best interest to make it easier for general users (less-technical developers) to come up to speed quickly on OJB. I think it is a critical component of *one of the next* stages in the maturation process of this project. While I shudder to think of the horrible designs and less-than-perfect uses of OJB that are possible by less-technical developers, this segment of the user community remains very important to the success of OJB... as is proven out by major closed source products. I think good progress has been made due to this very request, but I think, as Ilias is attempting to communicate, more needs to be done to make it simpler. I would suggest, since this component is focused on less-technical folks, that it would developed by less-technical-, more-training-oriented people that have learned the technology. Do we have some of those type of people on the list? (I'm sorry to say that I'm not one of them.) Any thoughts? Any ideas? The benefit that Hibernate has right now is the access they have to JBoss' bank account; they can employ training-oriented people to develop these components. Ilias, I really don't want to offend you, so please do not take my suggestions as such. First of all, you really need to be willing to read the responses to your requests carefully. You have been given much help in this thread... some of which you seem unwilling to acknowledge. Secondly, you must be willing to work within the current culture of the group. Right now, thankfully, it is a very technical-oriented group. I don't believe it is rude for them to expect you to be willing to learn other technologies, such as ant, CVS, java, etc. If it is something you are not willing to do, you may not be in the right place at the right time. The fact is that the QUICKSTART doesn't exist in the form you want. If you are unwilling, or unable, to put in the time to learn the technology, I would suggest you may not be the right person to develop the QUICKSTART. I think you have honorable intentions, but am not sure about your willingness or ability to make good on them through hard work. Sincerely, Mitch -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is only true, if the ojb-developers fail to encapsulate the domain knowledge. No, OJB helps you with some of the technical knowledge (i.e. databases) but not with domain knowledge (e.g. finance, e-shop ...). And OJB does not away with all technical knowledge. You're still required to be able to program in Java, use Ant etc. (as I've already written). Context of my statement (as the context of this thread): the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). We are talking about a run and a deploy abstraction. Which you have finally created, but not posted to the threads where i've asked for it. In case you forgot: Jakob created this run 'abstraction' for you days ago, but you kept demanding something better or other. I did not forget. This was not for obj-blank, but for something without sources (the result of the ojb-quickstart target). [again: my context is ojb-blank with the tutorial1 sources] All I did was make the generation of these run.bat and run.sh files automatic within ojb-blank, as you could have known when you had actually read my mail and would have bothered to check out the changes (btw, the dev-mailing archive is easily accessible from the OJB homepage, all info about the change are there). So please stop this accusing. You are accusing. Me, that I am accusing. Which is false. again i remind you the context: addition/change to ojb-blank And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. Requesting is not rude. RFC = Request For Comments. - I'm afraid you're confusing requesting with demanding. Requesting: means in German: Bitten, Anfragen. Thanks, but I know the difference. Rather, I think you mistake demanding for requesting, judging from the tone in your mails. So, you don't want to apologize for saying to me that i behave rude based on an faulty interpretation of yours? I see. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. I don't think that the people on this list (especially you) are very polite. Otherwise you would not hide changes, which were initiated by an individual (me) behind necessary domain-knowledge (CVS acess). You wrote this large message here, but you've still not posted the corrections to the list, thus the thread becomes usable in the archives (and i get my solution). Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. As said again: I depend on a minimum assistance from the developers. But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. And we are unpolite? Yes. But i've cooled down now. Come on, in every answer that you've got to your not exactly polite mails, you've got constructive and polite help from users and developers of OJB, and you still keep on insulting people although you cannot base your accusations with any facts ? I do not insult people. And I have stated facts. I you like, stop ignoring them. (and from what I gather from another mail in this thread, this is not the first time that this has happened ?) You have enouth material within this group. No one hides anything here (remember that this is an open source project ?), but rather you seem to refuse to use the help that you've been given already. How are we supposed to help, then ? I do not refuse any help. I refuse help which is given in a false context, simply as it has no relevance to me. I just request specific help, within a specific context, within a specific medium. I would like to politely ask you to stop accusing people and actually use the help that the people on this list gave you (read the docs and mails, follow the pointers, etc.), so that you and we can start getting work done again. I write my findings down, backuped by rationales
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Mitch Norby wrote: [...] - (many comments, some suggestions) I have the basic estimation, if the project is able to assist me with simple answers to simple questions, thus I am able to produce the newcomer threads. The estimation is: no. But i will give it a try. Hopefully the team and the community can understand, that their excessive amounts of domain-knowledge makes is nearly impossible to them to give concise answers. I have what I wanted in my inbox (an modified ojb-blank, which contains a run.bat). So much effort for such a simple thing. - Please reread this thread after a week. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] PS: I will send you the ojb-blank.jar directly, as this is not possible within the mailing list (list restrictions). Be aware though, that it a hefty 4.5 MB download. Thank you very much. I was able to run tutorial1 without problems within 2 min., based on the new obj-blank. Once more, thanks very much. I can start now based on this ojb-blank. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [move down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] An ant target jar is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\targetjava -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar [...] Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make the produced jar file start correctly? hi ilias, you have to add a proper manifest-file to your jar. see http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html jakob Thank you for the link. The current ojb-tutorials should be corrected, to produce a launchable jar-file. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
[...]
Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make
the produced jar file start correctly?
hi ilias,
you have to add a proper manifest-file to your jar.
see http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html
jakob
Thank you for the link.
The current ojb-tutorials should be corrected, to produce a launchable
jar-file.
I've added this one into the build.xml ant-target jar after /fileset:
manifest
attribute name=Main-Class value=${jar.mainClass}/
/manifest
And this one to the build.properties:
jar.mainClass=org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application
and finally this one into the build.xml :
target name=run-jar depends=jar description=Run JAR Application
java jar=target/my-project.jar fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
-
Error:
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/apache/ojb/broker/PersistenceBrokerFactory
at org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application.init(Unknown Source)
at org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application.main(Unknown Source)
...
-
I cannto go at this moment deeper into Ant and into this issue, as I'm
risking to get trapped.
Can anyone please tell me, what is wrong?
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the [...] http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html [...] Many documentation, many manual steps. Actually there are only few steps. [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is Some additional ant-targets would make the tutorials simpler: - run (running the app) - run-jar (runs the jar which is created by ant-target jar) - full-jar (creates a jar including the relevant runtime-libs) - run-full-jar (runs the jar created by target full-jar) - Some relevant information is within this thread, but I depend on the answers/contribution to complete them. At this point, I cannot look deeper into ant. - A tutorial with those additional targets would run within the command-line and within a NetBeans 4.0 free-form project (very easy teach-in due to the IDE view of all the files). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/db-ojb/build.xml?r1=1.144.2.1r2=1.144.2.2diff_format=h I've now understood what you've done. To be of general use, the quickstart must be generated out of the ojb-blank (the users personal project template). Thus you should make the quickstart target-addition to ojb-blank build.xml. I still need the commandline / ant-target new addition to start the tutorial (see the other messages). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ilias, i cannot confirm this. with the ojb-quickstart target you can run tutorials 1 and 2 with a single command line tutorial1.bat or tutorial2.bat. jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 Can one please give me the exact command-line i have to use for the tutorial 1? I have the feeling, that it is not possible to use a single command line, as it was suggested above. Can I please have a confirmation on this? . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 Can one please give me the exact command-line i have to use for the tutorial 1? I have the feeling, that it is not possible to use a single command line, as it was suggested above. Can I please have a confirmation on this? i cannot confirm this. with the ojb-quickstart target you can run tutorials 1 and 2 with a single command line tutorial1.bat or tutorial2.bat. I am in the context of this thread. I refere to the above single command line, which was suggested within this thread: java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is Using this (like suggested from a team member) is not possible. Of course this was for me (as a newcomer) very confusing. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/db-ojb/build.xml?r1=1.144.2.1r2=1.144.2.2diff_format=h I've now understood what you've done. To be of general use, the quickstart must be generated out of the ojb-blank (the users personal project template). Thus you should make the quickstart target-addition to ojb-blank build.xml. the quickstart i provided is a simple way to build and run the tutorials 1 and 2. I understand. You have posted it within this thread, and of course I connect it immediately with my problem, which is starting the obj-blank generated application. it was not my intention to create anything else, ok but afaik tom is working on an enhanced ojb-blank. Ok, that's fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ilias, well, actualy it's possible to do something like this java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is but the classpath will be quite long ;) java -cp classes;lib\antlr-2.7.3.jar;lib\commons-beanutils.jar;lib\commons-collections-2.1.1.jar;lib\commons-dbcp-1.1.jar;lib\commons-lang-2.0.jar;lib\commons-logging.jar;lib\commons-pool-1.1.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1-junit.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1.jar;lib\hsqldb.jar;lib\log4j-1.2.8.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 Can one please give me the exact command-line i have to use for the tutorial 1? I have the feeling, that it is not possible to use a single command line, as it was suggested above. Can I please have a confirmation on this? i cannot confirm this. with the ojb-quickstart target you can run tutorials 1 and 2 with a single command line tutorial1.bat or tutorial2.bat. I am in the context of this thread. I refere to the above single command line, which was suggested within this thread: java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is Using this (like suggested from a team member) is not possible. Of course this was for me (as a newcomer) very confusing. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, well, actualy it's possible to do something like this java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is but the classpath will be quite long ;) java -cp classes;lib\antlr-2.7.3.jar;lib\commons-beanutils.jar;lib\commons-collections-2.1.1.jar;lib\commons-dbcp-1.1.jar;lib\commons-lang-2.0.jar;lib\commons-logging.jar;lib\commons-pool-1.1.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1-junit.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1.jar;lib\hsqldb.jar;lib\log4j-1.2.8.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application ah! I see! ok. Now I understand! Thank you! - I leave the machine. Good night to all. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] An ant target jar is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\targetjava -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar [...] Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make the produced jar file start correctly? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [...] this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application = missing cp.bat content of cp.bat set CP=%CP%;%1 hi ilias, this is correct! cp.bat is only used add all jars to the classpath jakob ok. I've documented this, for the case someone hits on this thread in future. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ilias, you have to add a proper manifest-file to your jar. see http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] An ant target jar is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\targetjava -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar [...] Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make the produced jar file start correctly? . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ukasz Korzybski wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisa:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB:
New Project - Java Project with Existing Ant Script
We need to choose project location and select build.xml
After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc.
targets.
Open build.xml and add run target:
target name=run depends=compile description=Run a main class.
java classname=ojbtest.Main fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
thank you [note: the ant-target run works from the command-line, too]
Please use this slight corrected version for Tutorial 1:
target name=run depends=compile description=Run Application
java classname=org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
And everything should fly.
problem:
[root]/build.xml
[root]/build/classes
[root]/build/resources
the application runs withing [root].
the application needs to access files within /build/resources
Can one make the necessary modification to the above ant-target run?
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. I still need the commandline / ant-target new addition to start the tutorial (see the other messages). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ilias, this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application hth jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. I still need the commandline / ant-target new addition to start the tutorial (see the other messages). . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application = missing cp.bat . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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it's in bin\ Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application = missing cp.bat . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [...] this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application = missing cp.bat content of cp.bat set CP=%CP%;%1 . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ilias, this is correct! cp.bat is only used add all jars to the classpath jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [...] this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application = missing cp.bat content of cp.bat set CP=%CP%;%1 . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. I've compiled the code within netbeans, but i'm not able to start within the IDE. can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? ? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. I've compiled the code within netbeans, but i'm not able to start within the IDE. can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? update: An ant target jar is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\targetjava -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar I really think your quick-start application needs to be updated a little, thus it is easier for newcomers to understand. I can assist you to make a netbeans 4.0 project and a very compact document, which will be usable for total newcomers. [but first, please let me know how to start my OJB tutorials] I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? ? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ilias, any help will be really appreciated. i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know. jakob Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. I've compiled the code within netbeans, but i'm not able to start within the IDE. can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? update: An ant target jar is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\targetjava -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar I really think your quick-start application needs to be updated a little, thus it is easier for newcomers to understand. I can assist you to make a netbeans 4.0 project and a very compact document, which will be usable for total newcomers. [but first, please let me know how to start my OJB tutorials] I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? ? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, any help will be really appreciated. ok, very nice. i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know. The command line parameters would fine (or even better), too! I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? [...] Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\targetjava -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, any help will be really appreciated. ok, very nice. i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know. The command line parameters would fine (or even better), too! Its all explained in the getting started guide: After you executed 'ant build' and 'ant setup-db', you simply add all jars in the lib folder to your classpath as well as the compiled classes (build/java I believe), and the run your main class (depends on the tutorial) in the build/resources folder. Btw, I don't know whether a netbeans project can include run configurations, Eclipse project files at least cannot include these. Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisa:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
hi ilias,
any help will be really appreciated.
ok, very nice.
i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from
within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know.
The command line parameters would fine (or even better), too!
Its all explained in the getting started guide:
After you executed 'ant build' and 'ant setup-db', you simply add all
jars in the lib folder to your classpath as well as the compiled classes
(build/java I believe), and the run your main class (depends on the
tutorial) in the build/resources folder.
Btw, I don't know whether a netbeans project can include run
configurations, Eclipse project files at least cannot include these.
NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB:
New Project - Java Project with Existing Ant Script
We need to choose project location and select build.xml
After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc.
targets.
Open build.xml and add run target:
target name=run depends=compile description=Run a main class.
java classname=ojbtest.Main fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
And everything should fly.
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hi all,
i'm currently working on a new ant-target ojb-quickstart to make it really easy
for beginners.
jakob
ukasz Korzybski schrieb:
Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisa:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
hi ilias,
any help will be really appreciated.
ok, very nice.
i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from
within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know.
The command line parameters would fine (or even better), too!
Its all explained in the getting started guide:
After you executed 'ant build' and 'ant setup-db', you simply add all
jars in the lib folder to your classpath as well as the compiled classes
(build/java I believe), and the run your main class (depends on the
tutorial) in the build/resources folder.
Btw, I don't know whether a netbeans project can include run
configurations, Eclipse project files at least cannot include these.
NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB:
New Project - Java Project with Existing Ant Script
We need to choose project location and select build.xml
After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc.
targets.
Open build.xml and add run target:
target name=run depends=compile description=Run a main class.
java classname=ojbtest.Main fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
And everything should fly.
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hi all,
i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch.
please check it out !
jakob
Jakob Braeuchi schrieb:
hi all,
i'm currently working on a new ant-target ojb-quickstart to make it
really easy for beginners.
jakob
ukasz Korzybski schrieb:
Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisa:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
hi ilias,
any help will be really appreciated.
ok, very nice.
i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from
within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know.
The command line parameters would fine (or even better), too!
Its all explained in the getting started guide:
After you executed 'ant build' and 'ant setup-db', you simply add all
jars in the lib folder to your classpath as well as the compiled classes
(build/java I believe), and the run your main class (depends on the
tutorial) in the build/resources folder.
Btw, I don't know whether a netbeans project can include run
configurations, Eclipse project files at least cannot include these.
NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB:
New Project - Java Project with Existing Ant Script
We need to choose project location and select build.xml
After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc.
targets.
Open build.xml and add run target:
target name=run depends=compile description=Run a main class.
java classname=ojbtest.Main fork=true
arg line=${application.args}/
classpath refid=runtime-classpath/
/java
/target
And everything should fly.
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the ojb-blank.jar file which contains a ready-to-use base environment (including an Eclipse project), and then drop in the files of one of I would prefere a netbeans 4.0 project. the tutorials (tutorials-src.jar), probably tutorial 1 or 2. You can get all of them in the binary download area. A description of this is in the Getting started page: http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html [...] http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/summary.html Many documentation, many manual steps. Actually there are only few steps. Which I have difficulties to detect within the large document [as most possibly every newcomer would have]. Most of the getting started doc just explains what the files mean and what settings there are. I see. And IMO its better to be detailed (and explicit) than to be overly short. You are of course right. But the user should decide about the detail increase. Solution: hierarchical document, which is compact, with links to more details. If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. - I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the ojb-blank.jar file which contains a ready-to-use base environment (including an Eclipse project), and then drop in the files of one of the tutorials (tutorials-src.jar), probably tutorial 1 or 2. You can get all of them in the binary download area. A description of this is in the Getting started page: http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html and the tutorials at http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/summary.html Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the ojb-blank.jar file which contains a ready-to-use base environment (including an Eclipse project), and then drop in the files of one of the tutorials (tutorials-src.jar), probably tutorial 1 or 2. You can get all of them in the binary download area. A description of this is in the Getting started page: http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html Section Contents of ojb-blank src/java Place your unit tests in here. should be: src/*test* Place your unit tests in here. and the tutorials at http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/summary.html Many documentation, many manual steps. I'll give it a try tomorrow morning (using netbeans 4.0). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the ojb-blank.jar file which contains a ready-to-use base environment (including an Eclipse project), and then drop in the files of one of the tutorials (tutorials-src.jar), probably tutorial 1 or 2. You can get all of them in the binary download area. A description of this is in the Getting started page: http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html Section Contents of ojb-blank src/java Place your unit tests in here. should be: src/*test* Place your unit tests in here. Ok, I'll fix that. and the tutorials at http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/summary.html Many documentation, many manual steps. Actually there are only few steps. Most of the getting started doc just explains what the files mean and what settings there are. And IMO its better to be detailed (and explicit) than to be overly short. If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath the;classpath whatever.you.main.class.is Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
