Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-11-01 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/30/12 12:14 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:19 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: When we have something to announce you can expect to read it in official places. It won't be something we'll be hiding in strange corners of the web. That means if an employee

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-11-01 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 11/1/12, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/30/12 12:14 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:19 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: When we have something to announce you can expect to read it in official places. It won't be something we'll be hiding in

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-11-01 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Roberto, On 12-10-31, at 15:14 , Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/10/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: A more diverse

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-31 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 29/10/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: A more diverse and sustainable project. For example, until few years ago having OOo integrated or at least able to interoperate with SAP was a distinct dream, is there any chance we can have the right SAP people to attend the AOO BoF, and discuss about

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-31 Thread Andrew Rist
On 10/30/2012 5:35 PM, Peter Junge wrote: I will not be in person in Sinsheim, hence we'll need one, better two moderators for that BoF session. The initial tasks seems quite simple. It's just saying hello to the attendees, making a short statement what the session is about, then kicking off

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-31 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/10/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: A more diverse and sustainable project. For example, until few years ago having OOo integrated or at least able to interoperate with SAP was a distinct dream, is there any chance

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-31 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Roberto, On 12-10-31, at 15:14 , Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/10/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: A more diverse and sustainable project. For example, until few years ago having OOo integrated or

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Jörg Schmidt
When we have something to announce you can expect to read it in official places. It won't be something we'll be hiding in strange corners of the web. That means if an employee identifies proposals on XING does not correspond to the opinion of the IBM? Not officially? I think that's a strange

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:19 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: When we have something to announce you can expect to read it in official places. It won't be something we'll be hiding in strange corners of the web. That means if an employee identifies proposals on XING does not

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Jörg Schmidt
If everything is absolutely clear to you then I don't know what you want clarifications on. But if you do have a question then just ask it, here or via private email if that is your preference. Hello Rob, Ok, thank you, I will send you a private email. Greetings, Jörg

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread imacat
On 2012/10/29 23:26, Rob Weir said: Then there is the secondary question of network effect and value of the network. The more AOO users there are they greater the value of skills in AOO extension development, of AOO training and certification skills, and of migration and deployment services,

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread imacat
It's a long list of discussion to read. There seems to be a lot to discuss in our BoF session. So, what is the help we need for our BoF session now? -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News:

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 30.10.12 17:41, schrieb imacat: On 2012/10/29 23:26, Rob Weir said: Then there is the secondary question of network effect and value of the network. The more AOO users there are they greater the value of skills in AOO extension development, of AOO training and certification skills, and of

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/10/29 23:26, Rob Weir said: Then there is the secondary question of network effect and value of the network. The more AOO users there are they greater the value of skills in AOO extension development, of AOO

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Peter Junge
I will not be in person in Sinsheim, hence we'll need one, better two moderators for that BoF session. The initial tasks seems quite simple. It's just saying hello to the attendees, making a short statement what the session is about, then kicking off the discussion with throwing in some key

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Peter Junge
On 10/29/2012 10:16 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: About Peter's point #2...I suppose this is getting kind of abstract, but what is the payoff from expanding AOO's community? Typically marketing is performed to increase sales, which earns money; AOO has no sales, so what should the intended benefit

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread imacat
On 2012/10/31 08:35, Peter Junge said: I will not be in person in Sinsheim, hence we'll need one, better two moderators for that BoF session. The initial tasks seems quite simple. It's just saying hello to the attendees, making a short statement what the session is about, then kicking off the

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread imacat
On 2012/10/31 01:59, Rob Weir said: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/10/29 23:26, Rob Weir said: Then there is the secondary question of network effect and value of the network. The more AOO users there are they greater the value of skills in

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Kevin Grignon
On Wednesday, October 31, 2012, imacat wrote: On 2012/10/31 01:59, Rob Weir said: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.twjavascript:; wrote: On 2012/10/29 23:26, Rob Weir said: Then there is the secondary question of network effect and value of the network.

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-30 Thread Peter Junge
On 10/31/2012 11:11 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote: [...] Great thread. So many interesting topics to explore at a BoF. Here are some thoughts related to broadening our skills set and transforming the project from open source development to open source product design and development. In support of

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello Rob, *, -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] I think the challenge is to change the thinking that says a project can only be successful if it raises money. Yes, you're right. But success is measured, in my opinion, in the dissemination of AOO, for

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Peter Junge
On 10/29/2012 2:22 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello Rob, *, -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] I think the challenge is to change the thinking that says a project can only be successful if it raises money. Yes, you're right. But success is measured, in my

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello Rob, *, -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] I think the challenge is to change the thinking that says a project can only be successful if it raises money. Yes, you're right.

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, The ooo-marketing list is a great place to coordinate international campaigns. And we have a German list for local events, yes? Yes, we have a German list, but there can discuss only. The practical work but needs a lot of different things. First people, but also material things and

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Donald Whytock
About Peter's point #2...I suppose this is getting kind of abstract, but what is the payoff from expanding AOO's community? Typically marketing is performed to increase sales, which earns money; AOO has no sales, so what should the intended benefit from marketing be? How does Apache gain from a

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: About Peter's point #2...I suppose this is getting kind of abstract, but what is the payoff from expanding AOO's community? A more diverse and sustainable project. For example, until few years ago having OOo integrated

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-10-28, at 23:33 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: That's the way to grow. Raising money to send the existing volunteers to travel to more places is only growth for the airline industry. It is not growth

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 10/29/12, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: About Peter's point #2...I suppose this is getting kind of abstract, but what is the payoff from expanding AOO's community? Typically marketing is performed to increase sales, which earns money; AOO has no sales, so what should the

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Shouldnt this be on ooo-marketing? Probably. But it was in response to Peter's questions about ApacheCon EU discussion topics, one of which was about end-user software vs. the typical Apache offering, and how a big

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Customers don't come to IBM looking only for OpenOffice. I mean companies, not simple users. And these companies ask me if they should use AOO or LO and they look around in the market. These companies need my help, but they also need the confidence in the future of AOO and for many companies

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Customers don't come to IBM looking only for OpenOffice. I mean companies, not simple users. I mean companies as well. And these companies ask me if they should use AOO or LO and they look around in the market.

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-28 Thread Peter Junge
On 9/27/2012 8:49 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 9/24/2012 9:46 PM, Peter Junge wrote: Dear OpenOffice Community, During ApacheCon Europe 2012 (ACEU 2012; http://apachecon.eu/), we will hold a 90-minute session on the state of the community. Our topic is as broad as the community and includes

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: On 9/27/2012 8:49 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 9/24/2012 9:46 PM, Peter Junge wrote: Dear OpenOffice Community, During ApacheCon Europe 2012 (ACEU 2012; http://apachecon.eu/), we will hold a 90-minute session on the

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-28 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 12-10-28, at 23:33 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: That's the way to grow. Raising money to send the existing volunteers to travel to more places is only growth for the airline industry. It is not growth for the project. We need to find people who are able to succeed in a

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-09-26 Thread Andrew Rist
On 9/24/2012 9:46 PM, Peter Junge wrote: Dear OpenOffice Community, During ApacheCon Europe 2012 (ACEU 2012; http://apachecon.eu/), we will hold a 90-minute session on the state of the community. Our topic is as broad as the community and includes discussion on how to develop and further

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-09-25 Thread Albino B Neto
Hi On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: During ApacheCon Europe 2012 (ACEU 2012; http://apachecon.eu/), we will hold a 90-minute session on the state of the community. Our topic is as broad as the community and includes discussion on how to develop and