[Fwd: Motivational factors for open source development]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI. Tim - Original Message Subject: Motivational factors for open source development Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:15:19 +0200 From: Daniel Ericsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sir/Madam, We are two students that are currently performing a survey on the motivational factors for participating in open source software development. Through your involvement in this field, we'd like to ask you to participate at: http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=yg100pc6mwvlmgt183037 The survey is anonymous and we've tried to keep the number of questions as low as possible so that it won't take too long. We'd really appreciate it if you took the time to fill out the form and if possible, pass the survey on to others who you know are involved with open source. Yours sincerely, Magnus Daniel Ps. This email is a onetime event and will not be followed by further emails. We apologize for any inconvenience and wish you luck in your projects. Ds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEY4l7MOzvb7luwR0RAhO7AKDGPQ0n0aKW+Lf9gsHrmIfk8haM6QCg4Thr CsDaXgKfyPKdpojlpZVwBKk= =O/b8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Timothy Cook n:Cook;Timothy org:CHASE Health Informatics, Inc. adr:;;11711 27 Ave. NW;Edmonton;Alberta;T6J 3N7;Canada email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant note;quoted-printable:Retrieve my Public Key from:=0D=0A= http://keyserver.veridis.com:11371/index.html=0D=0A= =0D=0A= or = =0D=0A= =0D=0A= http://chasehealthinformatics.comMembers/twcook/twcook.asc/file_view=0D=0A= =0D=0A= Get OpenPGP from:http://www.openpgp.org=0D=0A= =0D=0A= =0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://chasehealthinformatics.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Errant email
Sorry for that. You would think after all these years
Re: Errant email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob James wrote: Sorry for that. You would think after all these years *Stuff* happens they put those two buttons too close together! vbg Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEY5NlMOzvb7luwR0RAgptAJ98tve5YK7C+g0PZDEZK0UKS/hnrgCff037 yzH1zuR7MOS4VfDGwPjy/KU= =aluL -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Timothy Cook n:Cook;Timothy org:CHASE Health Informatics, Inc. adr:;;11711 27 Ave. NW;Edmonton;Alberta;T6J 3N7;Canada email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant note;quoted-printable:Retrieve my Public Key from:=0D=0A= http://keyserver.veridis.com:11371/index.html=0D=0A= =0D=0A= or = =0D=0A= =0D=0A= http://chasehealthinformatics.comMembers/twcook/twcook.asc/file_view=0D=0A= =0D=0A= Get OpenPGP from:http://www.openpgp.org=0D=0A= =0D=0A= =0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://chasehealthinformatics.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Errant email
the fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves.
Re: Errant email
Rob, this is your e-mail speaking: It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to, than I have ever known... On Thu, 11 May 2006 14:43:54 -0500 Rob James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves.
Re: Errant email
On the bright sidewe aren't integrating webcams with email yet Rob James wrote: Sorry for that. You would think after all these years .
ENC: Impact of Open Source on Application Development
Agile Journal from CM Crossroads - May 2006 - Vol. 1 No. 3 Read it online - http://www.agilejournal.com The Agile Journal is a new publication and online magazine from CMC Media focused on providing readers with information and resources they need to develop software for an agile business. Driven by Editor in Chief and noted analyst Liz Barnett, the Agile Journal delivers thought leadership and pragmatic advice from a wide range of industry experts, as well as direct feedback from hands-on developers and project managers. --- This Issue Sponsored by: - LogicLibrary - Achieve Business IT agility through SOA Governance http://www.cmcrossroads.net/go/cid=526mid=949id=80 - Passionate about technology? Come work with us! THOUGHTWORKS http://www.cmcrossroads.net/go/cid=507mid=929id=637 - Scale Agile from small projects to multi-team programs! http://www.cmcrossroads.net/go/cid=528mid=952 = In this Issue = 1. The Growing Influence Of Open Source Projects 2. The Agile Manager: The Economic Impact of Open Source 3. Tools and Technology: Open Source Tools for the Agile Developer 4. Intellectual Property Management Issues for Development 5. Supercharge Your Application Development Open Source Strategy with an Architecture-centric Approach 6. CASE STUDY: VA Software 7. FEATURED BOOK: Practical Development Environments *** Sponsored by - LogicLibrary Achieve Business IT agility through SOA Governance LogicLibrary: the only company that seamlessly brings together the architectural, development and operational views of services without compromising choice. LogicLibrary's integrated design-time repository/registry functionality and configurable governance policies make it possible for organizations to actively track and manage services, delivering those services to the developer's desktop through its deep IDE integration. Read More Http://www.cmcrossroads.net/go/cid=526mid=949id=80 = Editor's Note Liz Barnett = Impact of Open Source on Application Development How is it that the geeky, non-traditional world of open source software is having such a tremendous impact on traditional IT organizations? Development teams, and Agile projects in particular, are increasingly looking to the open source community for tools, application components, best practices and even organizational models for software projects. Of all of the influences in the industry, I think that the advent of open source software is by far the most significant that we've seen in many years. In this issue of the Agile Journal, we bring you some terrific and pragmatic advice about open source software from practitioners in the field. Ross Pettit presents explores the economics of open source and how companies derive a range of benefits from leveraging open source software. Kirk Knoernschild recommends a number of open source tools that particularly benefit Agile developers. Greg Cottichia looks at the intellectual property challenges common to many open source projects, particularly those that include offshore partners. Jeff Hodson approaches the use of open source software - for development and runtime environments - from an architectural perspective, advocating that companies invest in architecture-centric environments to best leverage open source components and tools. Brad Appleton reviews Practical Development Environments by Matthew Doer, a truly pragmatic approach to building productive and collaboration tools. And finally, our case study this month comes from VA Software, developer of SourceForge.net and SourceForge Enterprise Edition, and describes its experiences using XP for product development. Please let us know what your teams are experiencing. We're particularly interested in sharing best practices (and even worst practices) so that others can benefit. And, if you'd like to contribute an article to an upcoming Agile Journal issue, please let us know. Send your Letters to the Editor in the forum at AgileJournal.com. Liz Barnett Editor in Chief [EMAIL PROTECTED] = The Growing Influence Of Open Source Projects by Liz Barnett = Two years ago, I began writing about the impact that open source development tools, components, processes and organizational models are having on corporate IT shops. I worked with a range of development managers that shared a very similar point of view: instead of dismissing the so-called renegade open source projects, the managers emulated these projects' activities and hoped to mimic their success. This trend is only growing and I am intrigued by the ways in which IT shops are looking to the open source community for
Re: Important announcement and oshca update
I can host the new website and mailing list for free. -- IV On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:43:39 +0800 Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I am happy to annouce that the transfer of the domain name oshca.org from Brian had been completed. Brian is in the process of creating and signing a document disclaiming rights to the OSHCA trademark. Thank you Brian for these initiatives. I understand that Brian will also make a decision with regards to the fate of the openhealth lists on Minoru and Yahoo by this weekend. I'll leave that to Brian to make that annoucement. As for the status of OSHCA, the protem committee members (volunteers expressed on the list as well as those agreed to serve when requested) are as follows: Joseph dal Molin (Canada/US) Adrian Midgley (UK/Europe) Thomas Beale (Australia/Pacific islands) Nandalal Gunaratne (Sri Lanka/Asia) Molly Cheah (Malaysia/Asia) I hope to keep the protem committee small for quick decision making but hope to add 2 more names, preferably from South America and Africa/Middle East by the time we submit the incorporation documents for registration. Please volunteer. These numbers and representation structure can change after incorporation if members wish so. I don't know how much discussion should go into the incorporation process or how much time should be alotted. My proposed timeline for completion of incorporation is 3 months from 15th April 2006 - tentative date for submission of papers. We should have OSHCA ressurrected by 15th July 2006, barring unforseen circumstances. Here are my assumptions in order to realise this initiative: 1. Provisions in the constitution/MA of OSHCA is a living document and can be changed by members' majority wishes. For purpose of incorporation, we will take into consideration past discussions (2002-2004) and make the provisions as general and flexible as possible to meet incorporation requirements. 2. There is no objection to incorporate ina developing country like Malaysia. There will be provisions for setting up geographical sections/branches etc with as much de-centralization as possible. 3.The Vision, Mission Statements, Principles and Activities as discussed earlier this year will be included in the incorporation papers. Any suggestion of changes posted on the Yahoo list by 15th April will be taken into consideration by the protem committee for incorporation. Procedures will be provided for amendments to be made after incorporation. 4. Elections for new committee members can take place immediately after incorporation. Provision will be made for the protem committee to stay on for a defined number of months to attend to teething issues that may arise. 5. The yahoo list will continue to discuss organising the 1st post-incorporation OSHCA meeting scheduled for later part of 2006 to kick-start/launch OSHCA. This may not be in the form of a full conference. I would like to see presentations of current status of open source healthcare solutions/applicaions. It should also provide the opportunity to include indepth discussions on planning for the future of OSHCA so that its resurrection becomes meaningful - reflecting more than just a community of open source enthusiasts in health care. If there are no other bidders, I plan to get funding to do this in Malaysia. Naturally it may be on a modest scale. Please feel free to propose ideas.The protem committee will work on an action plan and invite volunteers to help. Molly
Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update
Hmmm It hadn't crossed my mind at all that discussions on the suitability of the country for incorporation will be approached from those perspectives mentioned. I thought we were approaching this issue (developing vs developed countries) from the funding perspectives (not mentioning developing countries' perception and acceptance of developed countries' agenda). Besides there are more needs by developing countries for open source health care systems as a viable and sustainable alternative which we hope OSHCA can play a significant role as a non-profit, apolitical entity for maximum impact in health outcomes. See global knowledge partnership http://www.globalknowledge.org/ as an example of a similar organisation incorporated in Malaysia to harness the potential of ICT for a sustainable and equitable development globally. Molly Tim.Churches wrote: Richard Schilling wrote: If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia. I would do it in the U.S. first. The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater than in Malaysia. Glad that you have compared US and Malaysian corporate law. Personally I think it is great that OSHCA will finally be incorporated, and given the current Zeitgeist in many rich countries, that it will be incorporated under a flag bearing the crescent and star. Tim C Molly Cheah wrote: Dear all, I am happy to annouce that the transfer of the domain name oshca.org from Brian had been completed. Brian is in the process of creating and signing a document disclaiming rights to the OSHCA trademark. Thank you Brian for these initiatives. I understand that Brian will also make a decision with regards to the fate of the openhealth lists on Minoru and Yahoo by this weekend. I'll leave that to Brian to make that annoucement. As for the status of OSHCA, the protem committee members (volunteers expressed on the list as well as those agreed to serve when requested) are as follows: Joseph dal Molin (Canada/US) Adrian Midgley (UK/Europe) Thomas Beale (Australia/Pacific islands) Nandalal Gunaratne (Sri Lanka/Asia) Molly Cheah (Malaysia/Asia) I hope to keep the protem committee small for quick decision making but hope to add 2 more names, preferably from South America and Africa/Middle East by the time we submit the incorporation documents for registration. Please volunteer. These numbers and representation structure can change after incorporation if members wish so. I don't know how much discussion should go into the incorporation process or how much time should be alotted. My proposed timeline for completion of incorporation is 3 months from 15th April 2006 - tentative date for submission of papers. We should have OSHCA ressurrected by 15th July 2006, barring unforseen circumstances. Here are my assumptions in order to realise this initiative: 1. Provisions in the constitution/MA of OSHCA is a living document and can be changed by members' majority wishes. For purpose of incorporation, we will take into consideration past discussions (2002-2004) and make the provisions as general and flexible as possible to meet incorporation requirements. 2. There is no objection to incorporate ina developing country like Malaysia. There will be provisions for setting up geographical sections/branches etc with as much de-centralization as possible. 3.The Vision, Mission Statements, Principles and Activities as discussed earlier this year will be included in the incorporation papers. Any suggestion of changes posted on the Yahoo list by 15th April will be taken into consideration by the protem committee for incorporation. Procedures will be provided for amendments to be made after incorporation. 4. Elections for new committee members can take place immediately after incorporation. Provision will be made for the protem committee to stay on for a defined number of months to attend to teething issues that may arise. 5. The yahoo list will continue to discuss organising the 1st post-incorporation OSHCA meeting scheduled for later part of 2006 to kick-start/launch OSHCA. This may not be in the form of a full conference. I would like to see presentations of current status of open source healthcare solutions/applicaions. It should also provide the opportunity to include indepth discussions on planning for the future of OSHCA so that its resurrection becomes meaningful - reflecting more than just a community of open source enthusiasts in health care. If there are no other bidders, I plan to get funding to do this in Malaysia. Naturally it may be on a modest scale. Please feel free to propose ideas.The protem committee will work on an action plan and invite volunteers to help. Molly Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group
Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every sense of the word) I've received from many others. Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to keep this incredible community conversation going. I have no intention of fixing the old list. Having two lists is confusing and creates the appearance of division where none exists. Accordingly, I'll be closing down the openhealth mailing list on the minoru site in about a week. For those who have not already joined the Yahoo list, please do so now. There is no need to unsubscribe from the minoru list, as it will be deleted. You will not be transfered to Yahoo unless you indicate that you want this by joining at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ As for the trademark issue, my apologies to the group for forgetting Why I'm here. Openhealth is the name of a conversation and a community. I'll work to be more consistent about this. -Brian Bhaskar, KS wrote: First, I would like to welcome Brian back to the community. Having met him only once, and never having collaborated with him, as a newcomer to the open source healthcare community, I don't know him as well as I perhaps should. But it is always good to have an early active member in a field return to active participation. So, welcome back! I am also very encouraged by the discussion about resurrecting OSHCA. I think it was an important organization. [I do wonder, however, given the subtle changes in language over the last few years, whether FOSSHCA or FLOSSHCA might not be better names to use today...] I was the one that originally created the openhealth mailing list on Yahoogroups, and my light a candle vs. curse the darkness motivation for doing it is discussed in my post (copied below) announcing the list. In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the free and open source software for healthcare community. One suggestion I would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups. Yes, we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be responsible for things like the list below for a server that will sit on the Internet: 1. Backups. 2. Indexing and searching. 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering. 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches. 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations. I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a server that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it. Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous). All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the group. We already have several moderators from the community who are members of the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to serve. I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve the community as moderator. My two bits' worth: let us focus on building the new OSHCA / FOSSHCA / FLOSSHCA community, web page, portal, etc., and leave the mailing list where it is. Regards -- Bhaskar -- Background / motivation: A couple of months ago, as a result of an e-mail server consolidation following a corporate acquisition, my e-mail address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This of course meant that I could not post to the openhealth list, since posting is restricted to members. I have tried a couple of times to subscribe with my new e-mail address, but my attempts went into the bit bucket. This has meant that although I can read posts - e-mail sent to the old address is forwarded to the new one - I cannot post and participate in discussions. Under the theory that it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, I have created a mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) http://groups.yahoo.com%29 is a robust place for mailing lists and electronic communities, including a file repository, searchable web-accessible message archive, online chat, etc. If you would like to join, please send me e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I will send you an invitation from Yahoo Groups. If you click on a link in that e-mail invitation, or reply to the e-mail, you will be subscribed to the group. Alternatively, go to http://groups.yahoo.com and search for openhealth. Ask to join the group, and I will get a message asking to approve your application to join. In an attempt to keep e-mail harvesters off the list, I have created the group requiring administrator approval to join. However, I will
Important announcement and oshca update
Dear all, I am happy to annouce that the transfer of the domain name oshca.org from Brian had been completed. Brian is in the process of creating and signing a document disclaiming rights to the OSHCA trademark. Thank you Brian for these initiatives. I understand that Brian will also make a decision with regards to the fate of the openhealth lists on Minoru and Yahoo by this weekend. I'll leave that to Brian to make that annoucement. As for the status of OSHCA, the protem committee members (volunteers expressed on the list as well as those agreed to serve when requested) are as follows: Joseph dal Molin (Canada/US) Adrian Midgley (UK/Europe) Thomas Beale (Australia/Pacific islands) Nandalal Gunaratne (Sri Lanka/Asia) Molly Cheah (Malaysia/Asia) I hope to keep the protem committee small for quick decision making but hope to add 2 more names, preferably from South America and Africa/Middle East by the time we submit the incorporation documents for registration. Please volunteer. These numbers and representation structure can change after incorporation if members wish so. I don't know how much discussion should go into the incorporation process or how much time should be alotted. My proposed timeline for completion of incorporation is 3 months from 15th April 2006 - tentative date for submission of papers. We should have OSHCA ressurrected by 15th July 2006, barring unforseen circumstances. Here are my assumptions in order to realise this initiative: 1. Provisions in the constitution/MA of OSHCA is a living document and can be changed by members' majority wishes. For purpose of incorporation, we will take into consideration past discussions (2002-2004) and make the provisions as general and flexible as possible to meet incorporation requirements. 2. There is no objection to incorporate ina developing country like Malaysia. There will be provisions for setting up geographical sections/branches etc with as much de-centralization as possible. 3.The Vision, Mission Statements, Principles and Activities as discussed earlier this year will be included in the incorporation papers. Any suggestion of changes posted on the Yahoo list by 15th April will be taken into consideration by the protem committee for incorporation. Procedures will be provided for amendments to be made after incorporation. 4. Elections for new committee members can take place immediately after incorporation. Provision will be made for the protem committee to stay on for a defined number of months to attend to teething issues that may arise. 5. The yahoo list will continue to discuss organising the 1st post-incorporation OSHCA meeting scheduled for later part of 2006 to kick-start/launch OSHCA. This may not be in the form of a full conference. I would like to see presentations of current status of open source healthcare solutions/applicaions. It should also provide the opportunity to include indepth discussions on planning for the future of OSHCA so that its resurrection becomes meaningful - reflecting more than just a community of open source enthusiasts in health care. If there are no other bidders, I plan to get funding to do this in Malaysia. Naturally it may be on a modest scale. Please feel free to propose ideas.The protem committee will work on an action plan and invite volunteers to help. Molly
Eclipse Open Healthcare Framework (OHF)
If you happen to be at the EclipseCon event or just in the area, you are invited to the f2f meeting of Eclipse OHF. For those how are new to OHF (Open Healthcare Framework), it is an open source runs as an Eclipse project. The meeting will be at the NAPA room, from 2 pm on Mon 23. (At the EclipseCon conference center). More info: http://www.eclipse.org/ohf/ http://ohf-dev.blogspot.com/ Eishay
Re: OSHCA Meetings
Mary Kratz had some real good comments about the value of a separate organization (eg: OSHCA) vs working groups in existing ones (eg: IMIA and AMIA) a few years ago. I'm hoping she will chime in here with an update. -Brian Horst Herb a écrit : On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:41, Brian Bray wrote: You should co-ordinate this with the IMIA working group on open source. http://www.chirad.info/imiaoswg/ Will do. Wasn't even aware they existed. Any point in having both OSHCA and IMIA OS WG as separate entities? Should we aim for a joint conference to discuss this further? Horst
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Oz 2007 @ MedInfo? Joseph Dal Molin wrote: should have added to my previous note that. Oz in 07 would be great!!! Joseph Adrian Midgley wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 20:48 +1100, Horst Herb wrote: I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Australia between August 2006 and February 2007 would in fact be personally convenient. As the location of the OpenEHR project which may provide the theoretical underpinning of the world's medical record systems, and the GNU project medical record which has plausible promise, and based on what I hear of rumour about the state of commercial closed source medical record software and the providing companies there, and the press reports of AUstralian federal and state governmental moves in the direction of FLOSS for public administration, an OSHCA conference there might be a useful focal point and be usefully situated to gatehr interest by those who could be involved. Another place of interest is British Columbia which I understand to have actual production FLOSS EHR in use in a small number of general practices, and is grappling with interesting problems over certification and the like whcih have historically been used partly to close markets to new or cash-poor entrants by commercial interests...
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
OSHCA in Oz @ or before/after Medinfo 2007 Mary Kratz wrote: Oz 2007 @ MedInfo? Joseph Dal Molin wrote: should have added to my previous note that. Oz in 07 would be great!!! Joseph Adrian Midgley wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 20:48 +1100, Horst Herb wrote: I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Australia between August 2006 and February 2007 would in fact be personally convenient. As the location of the OpenEHR project which may provide the theoretical underpinning of the world's medical record systems, and the GNU project medical record which has plausible promise, and based on what I hear of rumour about the state of commercial closed source medical record software and the providing companies there, and the press reports of AUstralian federal and state governmental moves in the direction of FLOSS for public administration, an OSHCA conference there might be a useful focal point and be usefully situated to gatehr interest by those who could be involved. Another place of interest is British Columbia which I understand to have actual production FLOSS EHR in use in a small number of general practices, and is grappling with interesting problems over certification and the like whcih have historically been used partly to close markets to new or cash-poor entrants by commercial interests... .
Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Tim, Sorry didn't mean to dampen enthusiasm and imply that a satellite conference in 2007 was impossible to pull offwhat I meant was that in general you need operating capital to be able to pick where you want to hold a meeting. In fact a satellite conference is preferable to imbedding a meeting in Medinfo because of the cost of registration. A low risk strategy is to find a willing host that can provide the space to meet and ideally food services that are within walking distance - a university or something like that. BTWthe London meeting shadowed MedInfo and OSHCA was able to collaborate with the Medinfo organizers advertise our meeting on the Medinfo website and vice versa which generated a great turn out. Joseph Tim.Churches wrote: Joseph Dal Molin wrote: While it makes sense to shadow MedInfo it may be difficult to do anything more than a birds of a feather meeting initially without first establishing self sustainabilitythe critical success factors for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been: - a local sponsor/champion eg. Mike McCoy and Colin Smith (Los Angles and London) - champion(s) and well connected organizing committee in OSCHA The first one was always the most important because it allowed OSHCA to stage a meeting without any financial risk or commitment.something that is absolutely necessary when you don't have operating capital. This also meant that OSHCA had to be opportunistic and follow the money in deciding where meetings would take place. I think it makes sense to seek some seed money for an initial meeting with the goal of self-sustainability through a combination of attendance fees, and sponsorship. OK, no OSHCA satellite conference around MedInfo 2007 then. Anyway, is anyone interested in an open source workshop or BOF meeting as part of MedInfo in Brisbane in 2007? Tim C IMHO meeting every 3 years is setting the bar too lowOSHCA was able to meet every year for four years in a row and clearly was gaining momentum. With the OSHCA.org issue resolved, the integration of the discussion lists and most importantly the renewed spirit of harmony a more ambitious agenda is quite realistic. Joseph Will Ross wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:48:46 -0800 Horst Herb wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:34, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: Adrian, thanks for the smile and words of wisdom.hopefully it won't be long before we have an opportunity to meet again. One of the first things on the OSHCA agenda IMHO should be a conference. Every one we had was unique and inspiring event and essential to community building I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Horst I propose we meet Brisbane in August 2007 http://www.medinfo2007.org/ Meeting in 2006 would also be nice, but may be more difficult to pull off. I have the sense that the scale of our collaboration would be stretched by attempting to meet too often. If we shadow MedInfo's pattern, once every three years, could be a good fit for now, and we can follow MedInfo as it hops about the globe. [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.272.7255 [voice] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - SPONSORED LINKS Software distribution http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+distributionw1=Software+distributionw2=Salon+softwarew3=Medical+softwarew4=Software+associationw5=Software+jewelryw6=Software+deploymentc=6s=142.sig=XcuzZXUhhqAa4nls1QYuCg http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+distributionw1=Software+distributionw2=Salon+softwarew3=Medical+softwarew4=Software+associationw5=Software+jewelryw6=Software+deploymentc=6s=142.sig=XcuzZXUhhqAa4nls1QYuCg http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+distributionw1=Software+distributionw2=Salon+softwarew3=Medical+softwarew4=Software+associationw5=Software+jewelryw6=Software+deploymentc=6s=142.sig=XcuzZXUhhqAa4nls1QYuCg http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+distributionw1=Software+distributionw2=Salon+softwarew3=Medical+softwarew4=Software+associationw5=Software+jewelryw6=Software+deploymentc=6s=142.sig=XcuzZXUhhqAa4nls1QYuCg Salon software http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Salon+softwarew1=Software+distributionw2=Salon+softwarew3=Medical+softwarew4=Software+associationw5=Software+jewelryw6=Software+deploymentc=6s=142.sig=CW98GQRF3_rWnTxU62jsdA
Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:47, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: to hold a meeting. In fact a satellite conference is preferable to imbedding a meeting in Medinfo because of the cost of registration. A low risk strategy is to find a willing host that can provide the space to meet and ideally food services that are within walking distance - a university or something like that. No worries. It is not the first conference I organize here. I was on the committee organizing two RACGP conferences (some 2000 delegates each), and together with another colleague we organized a smaller scale conference (60 delegates) ourselves too - the latter worked out very cheap and flawless. We used no sponsors deliberately - instead we negotiated with a nice resort off season to provide us all facilities for free in exchange for booking a larger number of rooms in block. We got the rooms at 60% regular rate, two large meeting rooms, audiovisual equipment, and they even threw in an afternoon tea. We could use the meeting room even at night, they gave us the key (we used it for a social gathering and watched movies on the big screen). Only thing delegates had to pay for was conference lunch and diner. Would do it the same way again Horst
Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
totally agree about the eggs Tim.Churches wrote: Joseph Dal Molin wrote: Tim, Sorry didn't mean to dampen enthusiasm and imply that a satellite conference in 2007 was impossible to pull offwhat I meant was that in general you need operating capital to be able to pick where you want to hold a meeting. In fact a satellite conference is preferable to imbedding a meeting in Medinfo because of the cost of registration. A low risk strategy is to find a willing host that can provide the space to meet and ideally food services that are within walking distance - a university or something like that. No, I agree completely. BTWthe London meeting shadowed MedInfo and OSHCA was able to collaborate with the Medinfo organizers advertise our meeting on the Medinfo website and vice versa which generated a great turn out. I think that those interested in OSHCA should organise a satellite mtg if they wish, but that an open source workshop or some other meeting under the auspices of MedInfo2007 should also be pursued. Let's not put all our eggs in one basket...
Re: OSHCA Meetings
You should co-ordinate this with the IMIA working group on open source. http://www.chirad.info/imiaoswg/ -Brian Horst Herb a écrit : On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:47, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: to hold a meeting. In fact a satellite conference is preferable to imbedding a meeting in Medinfo because of the cost of registration. A low risk strategy is to find a willing host that can provide the space to meet and ideally food services that are within walking distance - a university or something like that. No worries. It is not the first conference I organize here. I was on the committee organizing two RACGP conferences (some 2000 delegates each), and together with another colleague we organized a smaller scale conference (60 delegates) ourselves too - the latter worked out very cheap and flawless. We used no sponsors deliberately - instead we negotiated with a nice resort off season to provide us all facilities for free in exchange for booking a larger number of rooms in block. We got the rooms at 60% regular rate, two large meeting rooms, audiovisual equipment, and they even threw in an afternoon tea. We could use the meeting room even at night, they gave us the key (we used it for a social gathering and watched movies on the big screen). Only thing delegates had to pay for was conference lunch and diner. Would do it the same way again Horst
Re: OSHCA Meetings
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:41, Brian Bray wrote: You should co-ordinate this with the IMIA working group on open source. http://www.chirad.info/imiaoswg/ Will do. Wasn't even aware they existed. Any point in having both OSHCA and IMIA OS WG as separate entities? Should we aim for a joint conference to discuss this further? Horst
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:34, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: Adrian, thanks for the smile and words of wisdom.hopefully it won't be long before we have an opportunity to meet again. One of the first things on the OSHCA agenda IMHO should be a conference. Every one we had was unique and inspiring event and essential to community building I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Horst
OSHCA Conference was: List future [was: Why are you here?]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Horst Herb wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:34, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: Adrian, thanks for the smile and words of wisdom.hopefully it won't be long before we have an opportunity to meet again. One of the first things on the OSHCA agenda IMHO should be a conference. Every one we had was unique and inspiring event and essential to community building I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Horst Scheduling around MedInfo would be beneficial. http://www.medinfo2007.org/ I would look forward to it and thanks for the offer to organize it. Cheers, Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEHBuAMOzvb7luwR0RAoyvAKCganHp9+zPA3r9BDpdAUyvrxbk1ACguJ8P QtQG1ZZhCUlPQGbL1z+61bQ= =2crZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Timothy Cook n:Cook;Timothy org:CHASE Health Informatics, Inc. adr:;;11711 27 Ave. NW;Edmonton;Alberta;T6J 3N7;Canada email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant note;quoted-printable:Retrieve my Public Key from:=0D=0A= http://keyserver.veridis.com:11371/index.html=0D=0A= =0D=0A= or = =0D=0A= =0D=0A= http://chasehealthinformatics.comMembers/twcook/twcook.asc/file_view=0D=0A= =0D=0A= Get OpenPGP from:http://www.openpgp.org=0D=0A= =0D=0A= =0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://chasehealthinformatics.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 20:48 +1100, Horst Herb wrote: I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Australia between August 2006 and February 2007 would in fact be personally convenient. As the location of the OpenEHR project which may provide the theoretical underpinning of the world's medical record systems, and the GNU project medical record which has plausible promise, and based on what I hear of rumour about the state of commercial closed source medical record software and the providing companies there, and the press reports of AUstralian federal and state governmental moves in the direction of FLOSS for public administration, an OSHCA conference there might be a useful focal point and be usefully situated to gatehr interest by those who could be involved. Another place of interest is British Columbia which I understand to have actual production FLOSS EHR in use in a small number of general practices, and is grappling with interesting problems over certification and the like whcih have historically been used partly to close markets to new or cash-poor entrants by commercial interests... -- Dr Adrian Midgley www.defoam.net
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
should have added to my previous note that. Oz in 07 would be great!!! Joseph Adrian Midgley wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 20:48 +1100, Horst Herb wrote: I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long way from anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be very cheap too once the flight has been paid. Australia between August 2006 and February 2007 would in fact be personally convenient. As the location of the OpenEHR project which may provide the theoretical underpinning of the world's medical record systems, and the GNU project medical record which has plausible promise, and based on what I hear of rumour about the state of commercial closed source medical record software and the providing companies there, and the press reports of AUstralian federal and state governmental moves in the direction of FLOSS for public administration, an OSHCA conference there might be a useful focal point and be usefully situated to gatehr interest by those who could be involved. Another place of interest is British Columbia which I understand to have actual production FLOSS EHR in use in a small number of general practices, and is grappling with interesting problems over certification and the like whcih have historically been used partly to close markets to new or cash-poor entrants by commercial interests...
Re: OSHCA Conference was: List future [was: Why are you here?]
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:38, Tim Cook wrote: Scheduling around MedInfo would be beneficial. http://www.medinfo2007.org/ I would look forward to it and thanks for the offer to organize it. Yes, 2 days before or after HISA would be good timing. Would there be any more takers? If I am to organize it, I need at least 6 months prior to the conference Could somebody please forward the suggestion to the yahoo list? Horst
Re: OSHCA Conference was: List future [was: Why are you here?]
I forwarded it.darnI just realized that this thread is split across two lists. We will have to cross post until unification occurs. Joseph Horst Herb wrote: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:38, Tim Cook wrote: Scheduling around MedInfo would be beneficial. http://www.medinfo2007.org/ I would look forward to it and thanks for the offer to organize it. Yes, 2 days before or after HISA would be good timing. Would there be any more takers? If I am to organize it, I need at least 6 months prior to the conference Could somebody please forward the suggestion to the yahoo list? Horst .
Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
James, Here is a quick review of how past sponsorship of past events came about: Meeting 1 - Rome - Bud Bruegger, one of the founders of OSHCA, was working on an open source lab project for a joint FAO/IAEA initiative. Bud's clients provided meeting space and refreshmentsattendees covered their own expenses. Meeting 2 - London - Colin Smith who at the time was with the UK NHS Information Authority invited me to brief the CEO and executive team on the subject of open source in healthduring the discussion of next steps, sponsorship of the next OSHCA meeting was adopted Meeting 3 - UCLA Los Angeles - Mike McCoy attended the London meeting, someone mentioned that Mike was interested in hosting a meeting, I approached Mike at the meeting and asked if he would commit to hosting which he did Meeting 4 - Geneva - Dr. Osmand Ratib of UCLA invited Dr. Antoine Geissbuhler from the Univ. Hosp. of Geneva to the LA meeting. Antoine was considering hosting the next meeting and confirmed after attending UCLA's OSHCA event. As for 2006, what I think is realistic is a seed meeting. One possibility that comes to mind is the Mednet meeting in Toronto in October. I live in Toronto and know have collaborated with local organizers before.will drop them a line and see if they might be interested in having an OSHCA open source workshop. Joseph James Busser wrote: On Mar 18, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: the critical success factors for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been: - a local sponsor/champion eg. Mike McCoy and Colin Smith (Los Angles and London) - champion(s) and well connected organizing committee in OSCHA Anyone have contacts/ideas for potential sponsor/champions in Brisbane? To what can we credit the past sponsorship/championing of Mike McCoy and Colin Smith? Maybe if we understand that, it will help to sustain reproduce it.
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Completely off topic and hence off list reply ... thanks for the image. I often talk about how management or a new manager needs to pee on the bush (make his/her mark?) and its best just to understand that the ancient ape stuff needs to happen ... Anyway, thanks for a morning smile. Thank you, Brian. What we need to do I think is to all have dinner together one day. An academic and political programme is of course important, but so is the ancient ape stuff. In the absence of that large dinner, let us all behave as if we had been to it, and thus had done the H. Sapiens equivalent of sitting around picking lice out of each other's fur - you know, been introduced. This has been called building a community, but I think we sometimes take ourselves too seriously.
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Adrian, thanks for the smile and words of wisdom.hopefully it won't be long before we have an opportunity to meet again. One of the first things on the OSHCA agenda IMHO should be a conference. Every one we had was unique and inspiring event and essential to community building Adrian Midgley wrote: Thank you, Brian. What we need to do I think is to all have dinner together one day. An academic and political programme is of course important, but so is the ancient ape stuff. In the absence of that large dinner, let us all behave as if we had been to it, and thus had done the H. Sapiens equivalent of sitting around picking lice out of each other's fur - you know, been introduced. This has been called building a community, but I think we sometimes take ourselves too seriously.
Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
I whole-heartedly support combining the two lists and then a group-hug! David On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:53:10 +0800 Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Brian for this timely decision. I sincerely hope this will be a start for a new era for the OSS in Healthcare Community. I have forwarded this e-mail to the Yahoo list for discussion. Many of you who had not signed on the yahoo list may have missed out on the discussion on the ressurrection of OSHCA. I will be moving for the ressurrection quickly now. Barring unforseen circumstances and a change in sentiments, we should see OSHCA back as well as one openhealth list. In the meantime I'm going to post on both lists and I look to getting support for my actions based on decisions made during past discussions for the ressurrection on OSHCA. Molly Brian Bray wrote: Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA). Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved. The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as soon as possible to facilitate this event. This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over the last few days. Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself. -Brian David H Chan, MD, CCFP, MSc, FCFP Associate Professor Department of Family Medicine McMaster University http://oscarmcmaster.org
Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Thank you Brian! This is an excellent solution, and very timely as believe that we are finally at a real tipping point in the adoption of the open source model in the health sector. The existence of a community driven, professional forum is critical to synergy, credibility and success for all of us. Looking forward to contributing in any way I can to both the list and OSHCA's rebirth. Joseph Molly Cheah wrote: Thank you Brian for this timely decision. I sincerely hope this will be a start for a new era for the OSS in Healthcare Community. I have forwarded this e-mail to the Yahoo list for discussion. Many of you who had not signed on the yahoo list may have missed out on the discussion on the ressurrection of OSHCA. I will be moving for the ressurrection quickly now. Barring unforseen circumstances and a change in sentiments, we should see OSHCA back as well as one openhealth list. In the meantime I'm going to post on both lists and I look to getting support for my actions based on decisions made during past discussions for the ressurrection on OSHCA. Molly Brian Bray wrote: Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA). Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved. The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as soon as possible to facilitate this event. This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over the last few days. Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself. -Brian YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group openhealth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. .
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Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Thank you, Brian. What we need to do I think is to all have dinner together one day. An academic and political programme is of course important, but so is the ancient ape stuff. In the absence of that large dinner, let us all behave as if we had been to it, and thus had done the H. Sapiens equivalent of sitting around picking lice out of each other's fur - you know, been introduced. This has been called building a community, but I think we sometimes take ourselves too seriously. -- Dr Adrian Midgley www.defoam.net
The list is a valuable resource
I hope the efforts to renew forums for open health discussions succeeds. The lists are an important reseource for those of us doing IS research on OS for healthcare. I've been lurking this list since I started grad school and I joined the yahoo one to keep up with the community. I'm currently working on a taxonomy of OS software and I hope to eventually get feedback from the community. -Lorie Lorie Obal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly conceptualized and drafted in open source software! ---Begin Geek Code Block GMU/GB d? s: !a C LU+ P+ L++ E--- W++N++!o K- w ! M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+ 5++X+R*tvb+++DI--!D G e++/e++h++ !r z? End Geek Code Block http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html
Re: The list is a valuable resource
Brian, If I recall correctly, the OpenHealth list hosted on Yahoo was started because new people were unable to join the OpenHealth list hosted by Minoru. Could you please comment on whether this is still the case? Thanks, Andrew On 3/15/06, Lorie Obal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope the efforts to renew forums for open health discussions succeeds. The lists are an important reseource for those of us doing IS research on OS for healthcare. I've been lurking this list since I started grad school and I joined the yahoo one to keep up with the community. I'm currently working on a taxonomy of OS software and I hope to eventually get feedback from the community. -Lorie Lorie Obal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly conceptualized and drafted in open source software! ---Begin Geek Code Block GMU/GB d? s: !a C LU+ P+ L++ E--- W++N++!o K- w ! M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+ 5++X+R*tvb+++DI--!D G e++/e++h++ !r z? End Geek Code Block http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html -- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes www.TxOutcome.Org
List future [was: Why are you here?]
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA). Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved. The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as soon as possible to facilitate this event. This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over the last few days. Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself. -Brian
Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]
Thank you Brian for this timely decision. I sincerely hope this will be a start for a new era for the OSS in Healthcare Community. I have forwarded this e-mail to the Yahoo list for discussion. Many of you who had not signed on the yahoo list may have missed out on the discussion on the ressurrection of OSHCA. I will be moving for the ressurrection quickly now. Barring unforseen circumstances and a change in sentiments, we should see OSHCA back as well as one openhealth list. In the meantime I'm going to post on both lists and I look to getting support for my actions based on decisions made during past discussions for the ressurrection on OSHCA. Molly Brian Bray wrote: Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA). Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved. The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as soon as possible to facilitate this event. This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over the last few days. Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself. -Brian
Re: The list is a valuable resource
I was able to subscribe a hotmail account, but there is a problem (see below). I'm still coming up to speed on the list history while I was away, so I'm not sure how long the problem existed. There have been a few people (maybe half a dozen) who were unable to subscribe because of incompatibility with their e-mail systems. In most cases, Dave was able to fix this manually, but I know of at least one where we had to tell the person to subscribe from another account. The problem is that no confirmation message is returned to the subscriber. I can see how this would cause a lot of confusion. Rather than wade through the tortuous documentation for the mailing list software, I will update the instructions on the openhealth site for subscribing to refer to the yahoo list. -Brian Andrew Ho a écrit : Brian, If I recall correctly, the OpenHealth list hosted on Yahoo was started because new people were unable to join the OpenHealth list hosted by Minoru. Could you please comment on whether this is still the case? Thanks, Andrew On 3/15/06, Lorie Obal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope the efforts to renew forums for open health discussions succeeds. The lists are an important reseource for those of us doing IS research on OS for healthcare. I've been lurking this list since I started grad school and I joined the yahoo one to keep up with the community. I'm currently working on a taxonomy of OS software and I hope to eventually get feedback from the community. -Lorie Lorie Obal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly conceptualized and drafted in open source software! ---Begin Geek Code Block GMU/GB d? s: !a C LU+ P+ L++ E--- W++N++!o K- w ! M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+ 5++X+R*tvb+++DI--!D G e++/e++h++ !r z? End Geek Code Block http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html -- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes www.TxOutcome.Org
Re: Why are you here? (was Re: Hello list)
Dear Brian, Your reappearance here, long after the list became functionally useless because new discussants couldn't succeed in joining, reminds me of my great-grandfather. He went off to fight for the Union in the American civil war, leaving behind a general store, a wife, and children. They didn't hear from him for years. None of those touching letters that have been published recently were his. The war ended; nothing was heard. Eventually the statutory limit passed; his wife had him declared dead, and remarried. Then he showed up, surprised that things were not just as he'd left them. His wife had a thing to two to say to him, then gave him a grubstake and sent him off. He went to Arkansas, married again, and became my great-grandfather. But he did not get his old life back. I don't know whether there is any life left in this list. It's worth, I think, finding out. The ONLY reason the yahoo openhealth list exists is because this one wasn't accepting new people. Trademarkianism has nothing to do with it. If you want there to be life in this list, you might start by simply inviting everyone on the yahoo list back to this one. Having a fight, even a desultory diplomatic one, about the use the the trademark is probably not the most effective way to begin this. Recognizing that the yahoo list is merely a functioning substitute for the real thing, and ensuring the continuation of the discussion, free of ads and yahoo nonsense, would, in my own view, be welcome. Best wishes, Dan Johnson On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 04:01 +0100, Brian Bray wrote: Tim Churches a écrit : Hmmm, does Minoru plan to assert its trade mark against the Openhealth list on Yahoo (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ )? I'm not expecting that I'll have to. It depends on the the other list and my decisions over the next few weeks. The way I see it, there are two possibilities for the motivations of the creators of the other list: 1) It really is a question of the technical capabilities of the list and the lack of support. In this case, the folks running the yahoo list will have no problem changing the name to avoid confusion. The two lists will either merge at some point or specialize to meet different needs of the community. The yahoo list has critical mass, so a name change is unlikely to cause its members to leave.
Re: Why are you here? (was Re: Hello list)
Brian Bray wrote: Tim Churches a écrit : Hmmm, does Minoru plan to assert its trade mark against the Openhealth list on Yahoo (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ )? I'm not expecting that I'll have to. It depends on the the other list and my decisions over the next few weeks. The way I see it, there are two possibilities for the motivations of the creators of the other list: Really, you can see only two possibilities? I find your first one to have some probability of contributing to the rise of the new list, but your second possibility, in my opinion has a very low probability of contributing to the rise of the new list. The highest probability of why a new list exists, I believe, is that this list ceased to have any significant value to the list members. 1) It really is a question of the technical capabilities of the list and the lack of support. ... 2) The motivation is to profit from the goodwill that Minoru has in the community on an ongoing basis. It is up to you. Why are you here? Because at one time it was a good place to be and then it ceased to have value. Since it cost virtually nothing to stay the lack of value was not sufficient motivation to attempt to leave. I did notice that others spent some effort trying to leave to no avail, so why bother? And to further my argument, this would not be the first list I have belonged to that just petered out without me having to do a thing about it.
Why are you here? (was Re: Hello list)
Tim Churches a écrit : Hmmm, does Minoru plan to assert its trade mark against the Openhealth list on Yahoo (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ )? I'm not expecting that I'll have to. It depends on the the other list and my decisions over the next few weeks. The way I see it, there are two possibilities for the motivations of the creators of the other list: 1) It really is a question of the technical capabilities of the list and the lack of support. In this case, the folks running the yahoo list will have no problem changing the name to avoid confusion. The two lists will either merge at some point or specialize to meet different needs of the community. The yahoo list has critical mass, so a name change is unlikely to cause its members to leave. 2) The motivation is to profit from the goodwill that Minoru has in the community on an ongoing basis. In this case, the folks running the yahoo list will resist changing the name and it will be necessary to assert the trademark to protect Minoru's interests and reputation. But, as I said, I'm not expecting this to be necessary. I believe that we can come to some understanding that is best for everyone. In any event, the needs of the community have substantially changed since the Openhealth list was created. When we started, there were just a small number of open source projects. They were duplicating each others work, the creators had never met or communicated, and the level of competition was preventing collaboration to move ahead more quickly. Thanks to you and the other members of the Openhealth list, there is much more understanding and appreciation of the merits of different approaches to solve different problems. There is also much more collaboration as projects exchange not only ideas, but modules (such as FreeB for example). Ongoing communication between projects is still important, but there are now many mechanisms and places where that happens. The question I asked in my first reponse to your note Why are you here? This is a serious question we should address to determine the future of the list and whether it still has a value in the community. The increasing number of open source healthcare projects creates a need to objective comparative reviews and critiques to help refine their work. There is also a need for greater communication and colllaboration between physicians and engineers one the one hand, and open source developers and medical informatics research on the other. Can this list help meet these needs? -- In terms of the technical capabilities of the list, the reason for the long delay in upgrading the list is that my internet service provider was not ready. I considered hosting the list on an open source product or moving it to a free service in the past, but both these options had drawbacks. It is just a fact of life that Minoru's sites are subject to attack. My ISPs report that our sites are subject to more security incidents than other sites they host, including e-commerce sites. I have hosted other lists directly, and came to the conclusion that the Openhealth list absolutely needs stronger security support than we could ensure in-house. For example, getting an e-mail saying you have more than 10,000 administrative requests. The current system, while crude and out of date, enables us to have a quiet conversation without hurculean effort. As for hosting the list on a free service, these services are not charities. I notice that the project sites for many open source projects now have advertising for directly competing proprietary products. The archive for the openhealth list suffers from the same blight. Many of the the lurkers on the openhealth list are doctors, a highly prized market segment for advertisers. Another big segment is commercial and non-profit open source enterprises who cannot and should not permit their work to used as advertising media for their competitors. Just this month, my ISP is rolling out a better mailing list service which they will support and protect, so it now possible to provide a friendlier interface without the problems mentioned above. It is up to you. Why are you here? -Brian
Re: Hello list
Right you are about Marvin. There are a million lists on the Internet and a lot of them have signs of life, but there's only one Openhealth[tm] list. Why are you here? -Brian Tim Churches a écrit : Brian Bray wrote: To quote Marvin the paranoid android (Red Dwarf) Life... don't talk to me about life. Marvin was the `droid in the late and much lamented Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Kryten was the `noid on Red Dwarf - sad geezers like me can read more about Kryten at http://www.sadgeezer.com/RedDwarf/kryten.htm Unfortunately, the floor show has already finished at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (also known as openhealth-list@minoru-development.com ). However, if you engage your Infinite Improbability Drive, you may find signs of life over on openhealth@yahoogroups.com Tim C
Re: Question about OIO (was Hello list)
On 3/10/06, Brian Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Denny and Aldric for the warm greeting. There have certainly been some interesting discussions while I was gone. (I'm just up to the end of 2003). Hi Brian, Welcome back! I have a question for Andrew Ho. In the discussion about Vista/OIO complementarity, you discussed the concept that OIO let's users safely customize forms. Each form has an unique form name and version number within each OIO server instance: For example, Psychiatric Progress Note version 1. Customizing a form could mean 1) creating a new version using the same form name, or 2) copying some of the question items into a new form with a different form name, or 3) changing an existing form version, which requires safe migration of existing data. I'm curious how this is done, particularly related to the completeness and semantics of data elements. Completeness can never be assured without significantly restricting customizability. For example, deleting the Gender question from an existing form. Semantic connections between forms (and versions) require translators that are separately defined as necessary. I know I should RTFM, but a discussion might be more interesting...especially if some others with flexible systems can chime in. Sounds good! Best regards, Andrew -- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes www.TxOutcome.Org
Re: Hello list
Brian Bray wrote: Right you are about Marvin. There are a million lists on the Internet and a lot of them have signs of life, but there's only one Openhealth[tm] list. Hmmm, does Minoru plan to assert its trade mark against the Openhealth list on Yahoo (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ )? Why are you here? I tried to unsubscribe from openhealth-list@minoru-development.com but the administrative interface to the list has been broken for several years now - or it was last time I tried it. Is it fixed now? Tim C Tim Churches a écrit : Brian Bray wrote: To quote Marvin the paranoid android (Red Dwarf) Life... don't talk to me about life. Marvin was the `droid in the late and much lamented Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Kryten was the `noid on Red Dwarf - sad geezers like me can read more about Kryten at http://www.sadgeezer.com/RedDwarf/kryten.htm Unfortunately, the floor show has already finished at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (also known as openhealth-list@minoru-development.com ). However, if you engage your Infinite Improbability Drive, you may find signs of life over on openhealth@yahoogroups.com Tim C
Re: Question about OIO (was Hello list)
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Customizability is the main strength of OIO. It's main weakness is its installation! :-) The problem is the psycopgDA adaptor and the permissions having to be changed to postgres user. Can this compromise security? Zope 3 works with python 2.4 and the psycopgDA 2.x version. This version of psycopgDA is more pythonish and the installation is far more transparent as a result. One day if OIO can migrate to zope 3 as a zxcm file, this may solve the problem! Nandalal On 3/10/06, Brian Bray wrote: Thanks Denny and Aldric for the warm greeting. There have certainly been some interesting discussions while I was gone. (I'm just up to the end of 2003).Hi Brian,Welcome back! I hav e a question for Andrew Ho. In the discussion about Vista/OIO complementarity, you discussed the concept that OIO let's users safely customize forms.Each form has an unique form name and version number within each OIOserver instance:For example, "Psychiatric Progress Note version 1". Customizing a formcould mean 1) creating a new version using the same form name, or 2)copying some of the question items into a new form with a differentform name, or 3) changing an existing form version, which requiressafe migration of existing data. I'm curious how this is done, particularly related to the completeness and semantics of data elements.Completeness can never be assured without significantly restrictingcustomizability. For example, deleting the "Gender" question from anexisting form.Semantic connections between forms (and versions) require"translators" that are separately defined as necessary. I know I should RTFM, but a discussion might be more interesting...especially if some others with flexible systems can chime in.Sounds good!Best regards,Andrew--Andrew P. Ho, M.D.OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomeswww.TxOutcome.Org Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Question about OIO (was Hello list)
Andrew Ho a écrit : Completeness can never be assured without significantly restricting customizability. For example, deleting the Gender question from an existing form. In certain contexts, some limits on customizability are needed for safety reasons. Take a case worker with limited screen size in the field -- there should be no customization that eliminates or reduces to illegibility an alert field. More suble is the question of Work flow vs thought flow (I'm only guessing what that means, but it sounds cool) and whether customizability has a medical impact. Since posing the question, I came across: http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk/(dgdmykz4q25ielnzs4drx1q1)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parentbackto=issue,3,6;journal,1,27;linkingpublicationresults,1:102479,1 -Brian
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There has never been an administrative interface. Just send a blank message with unsubscribe as a subject to either the list or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Churches a écrit : I tried to unsubscribe from openhealth-list@minoru-development.com but the administrative interface to the list has been broken for several years now - or it was last time I tried it. Is it fixed now? Tim C
Re: How to (was Hello list)
Brian Bray wrote: There has never been an administrative interface. Just send a blank message with unsubscribe as a subject to either the list or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, that's the administrative interface to which I was referring - you know, it is like a command line interface, but via email, with a set of define administrative commands. That's definitely an interface. Anyway, it wasn't working, but I'll try again now. If it works, so long and thanks for all the fish! Tim C Tim Churches a écrit : I tried to unsubscribe from openhealth-list@minoru-development.com but the administrative interface to the list has been broken for several years now - or it was last time I tried it. Is it fixed now? Tim C
Re: Hello list
Welcome back Brian! Sounds like you are doing a treasure hunt! Are you still based in Paris? David Brian Bray wrote: To quote Marvin the paranoid android (Red Dwarf) Life... don't talk to me about life. I'm catching up on my e-mail. Only 3500 more to go! -Brian Ignacio Valdes a écrit : He LIVES! -- IV On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:19:09 +0100 Brian Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. -Brian -- David H Chan, MD, CCFP, MSc, FCFP Associate Professor Department of Family Medicine McMaster University http://oscarmcmaster.org
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Thanks David, I'm in Vancouver for the moment and I'm planning to move back here, but it really depends on where my next project is. -Brian Dr. David Chan a écrit : Welcome back Brian! Sounds like you are doing a treasure hunt! Are you still based in Paris? David
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Hi Brain, I'm still out here. Busy with work and life, and looking for another job. Wendy, What is your situation, what resources do you have, how many students etc? Alric Hi all. -Brian --
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Never mind the part for Wnedy. Thats for another list. Alric Hi Brain, I'm still out here. Busy with work and life, and looking for another job. Wendy, What is your situation, what resources do you have, how many students etc? Alric Hi all. -Brian -- --
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He LIVES! -- IV On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:19:09 +0100 Brian Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. -Brian
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To quote Marvin the paranoid android (Red Dwarf) Life... don't talk to me about life. I'm catching up on my e-mail. Only 3500 more to go! -Brian Ignacio Valdes a écrit : He LIVES! -- IV On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:19:09 +0100 Brian Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. -Brian
Question about OIO (was Hello list)
Thanks Denny and Aldric for the warm greeting. There have certainly been some interesting discussions while I was gone. (I'm just up to the end of 2003). I have a question for Andrew Ho. In the discussion about Vista/OIO complementarity, you discussed the concept that OIO let's users safely customize forms. I'm curious how this is done, particularly related to the completeness and semantics of data elements. I know I should RTFM, but a discussion might be more interesting...especially if some others with flexible systems can chime in. Thanks. -Brian
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Re: Eclipse open health framework proposal
Hi, I could not subscribe to the mailing list, so I'm sending directly... Answering your question, I am a committer in the Eclipse OHF project. Was there anything you wanted to know about it? Regards, Eishay Re: Eclipse open health framework proposal David Forslund Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:23:52 -0800 I was invited earlier, but was unable to join the initial meeting which set this up. I may yet join the effort. Dave Adrian Midgley wrote: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ohf/main.php anyone involved? yet. begin:vca
Re: VOE and Linux efforts.
On Jan 19, 10:57pm, openhealth-list@minoru-development.com wrote: } Subject: Re: VOE and Linux efforts. Good day to everyone, hope your week is starting out well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the VOE sources seems to be largely locked up inside of the Cache database on Windows As I understand it, the VOE sources are standard MUMPS and the server will therefore run as well or better on GT.M/Linux as it will on Cache/Microsoft. I also understand that VOE is 99% the same as the FOIA version of VistA and the version available now from worldvista.org and sourceforge. The sources do indeed seem to be standard MUMPS or VistA origin. I have not doubt they will percolate just fine under Linux after we get done exporting them from Cache. I have a FOIA implementation up and running but our group is looking at the potential for VOE under Linux. It thus seems prudent to actually run under Linux what is being developed for the Cache/Microsoft environment. One of my goals is to actualy define what VOE is. At the present time it appears somewhat unclear. I haven't been able to find a clear description or strategy for tracking how the FOIA code is being modified to produce VOE. One of the comments I've heard is that 'things are being cleaned up and old cruft removed'. The first set of files were indeed 100% equivalent to the FOIA sources. Since one of the files makes reference to handling special processes for 'Desert Shield' veterans there would seem to be minimal cleanup or de-crufting at this point. It would seem to be to the bbenefit the VistA community at large if there was a common Open-Source repository for FOIA and VOE. I will probably generate GIT repositories after this exercise is complete so we at least have a fighting history of tracking revisions and modifications. The best interests of Linux/OSS/Vista will be best served by having some type of native client capability. After a bit of time studying the FOIA XWB* sources and scrutinizing packet traces we were able to develop a preliminary implementation of a Java client architecture which knows how to talk to a Vista RPC server/broker. Medsphere claims to have made a VistA middleware server and a cross-platform CPRS replacement client that connect via HTTP and SOAP. They have promised to release all of it for use and part of it as Open Source some time in the near future. I hope they do. It seems like a step forward. Based on a 50,000 foot view of all the politics which seem to be in this arena I'm not optimistic to see much in the way of Open Source release coming from the commercial entities. Perhaps we will be surprised. but my sense is that something a LOT like CPRS is needed in the intermediate timeframe to make Linux client implementations a reality. Unfortunately, CPRS only covers part of the functionality of VistA. There is no GUI for administrative functions like patient registration and scheduling. These must be done on terminal emulators unless a new interface is developed for them. Indeed, we perceive this as a significant barrier to VOE. My hopes would be for the VistA codebase to become an important rallying point for community development of an OSS solution to health care informatics. Unfortunately it isn't clear to me how or if a development community will emerge. In this arena there would almost seem to be an economic disincentive for commercial organizations to foster an OSS development community. Linux emerged into its own since there were trained systems people who could manage and integrate the technology into the enterprise. The politics of medicine is there are probably a very minimal number of organizations who will deploy a VistA based solution with a 'professional' services organization. Obviously anything which increases the usability of a VistA based solution would be a market advantage for the service provider. It will be interesting to see where this all plays out. My own belief is that it would be easier to build it on Mozilla and M2Web, but perhaps that varies with your skills and interests. You certainly could be right. I need to spend a bit more time looking on the M2Web stuff and understand how it integrates with VistA and what it represents. If this is the optimum technology for a new interface architecture there still needs to be the emergence of a development community willing to work from and coordinate off a standard source base. If that is happening I'm not aware of it. Jim Self Thanks for the comments. Best wishes for the success of your project and a productive week. Greg }-- End of excerpt from openhealth-list@minoru-development.com As always, Dr. G.W. Wettstein, Ph.D. Enjellic Systems Development, LLC. 4206 N. 19th Ave. Specializing in information infra-structure Fargo, ND 58102development. PH: 701-281-1686 FAX: 701-281-3949 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOE and Linux efforts.
Bhaskar, I followed the link to mgateway but couldn't find anything that said any of their software is Open Source. It appears that you have to register to download and some kind of key is required to unlock it. On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 00:57 -0600, Jim Self wrote: [KSB] ...snip... Meanwhile, I have been thinking that it might not be too difficult to skip the middle ware and serve the HTTP and SOAP and/or JSON from M2Web. [KSB] Jim, although this article (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/wasd.html) is about a SOAP-RPC interface to GT.M on OpenVMS, parts of it are relevant to UNIX/Linux too. Also, note that M Gateway (http://www.mgateway.com) have open sourced their software, which could probably be made to run on GT.M without too much effort. -- Bhaskar --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself)
Re: VOE and Linux efforts.
Jim -- I have not tried to download the software, but was informed about it by one of the people behind MGateway. Possibly he did not appreciate the difference between free software and Free software. Did you try registering to download the software? What are the license terms? Regards -- Bhaskar On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 04:14 -0600, Jim Self wrote: Bhaskar, I followed the link to mgateway but couldn't find anything that said any of their software is Open Source. It appears that you have to register to download and some kind of key is required to unlock it.
Re: VOE and Linux efforts.
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 00:57 -0600, Jim Self wrote: [KSB] ...snip... Meanwhile, I have been thinking that it might not be too difficult to skip the middle ware and serve the HTTP and SOAP and/or JSON from M2Web. [KSB] Jim, although this article (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/wasd.html) is about a SOAP-RPC interface to GT.M on OpenVMS, parts of it are relevant to UNIX/Linux too. Also, note that M Gateway (http://www.mgateway.com) have open sourced their software, which could probably be made to run on GT.M without too much effort. -- Bhaskar
Re: VOE and Linux efforts.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the VOE sources seems to be largely locked up inside of the Cache database on Windows As I understand it, the VOE sources are standard MUMPS and the server will therefore run as well or better on GT.M/Linux as it will on Cache/Microsoft. I also understand that VOE is 99% the same as the FOIA version of VistA and the version available now from worldvista.org and sourceforge. The best interests of Linux/OSS/Vista will be best served by having some type of native client capability. After a bit of time studying the FOIA XWB* sources and scrutinizing packet traces we were able to develop a preliminary implementation of a Java client architecture which knows how to talk to a Vista RPC server/broker. Medsphere claims to have made a VistA middleware server and a cross-platform CPRS replacement client that connect via HTTP and SOAP. They have promised to release all of it for use and part of it as Open Source some time in the near future. I hope they do. It seems like a step forward. Meanwhile, I have been thinking that it might not be too difficult to skip the middle ware and serve the HTTP and SOAP and/or JSON from M2Web. Before we invest any additional time and effort into this I wanted to get a sense of what the community thought about this approach. People are making noises about a WEB/HTML interface to Vista I am one of them. but my sense is that something a LOT like CPRS is needed in the intermediate timeframe to make Linux client implementations a reality. If you can reverse engineer an Open Source CPRS client, that would be a great start. If you continue your efforts in that direction, please share your findings and progress and problems and results with the folks at worldvista.org. Unfortunately, CPRS only covers part of the functionality of VistA. There is no GUI for administrative functions like patient registration and scheduling. These must be done on terminal emulators unless a new interface is developed for them. My own belief is that it would be easier to build it on Mozilla and M2Web, but perhaps that varies with your skills and interests. --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself)
Re: [openhealth] Resurrecting OSHCA - a review
Proposal so far OSHCA Vision OSCHA is a vehicle for people to meet face to face. Mission?? Objectives??? Molly p.s. Previously, OSHCA The Open Source Health Care Alliance is a collaborative forum to promote and facilitate open source software in human and veterinary healthcare. OSHCA is a community of people in the health care and informatics industries that promotes the open source software concept in health care. OSHCA helps policy makers, commercial enterprises, and users take advantage of the benefits of open source. Fred Trotter wrote: I think that Will actually is proposing a vision, one which I whole-heartedly agree. The vision is that OSCHA is a vehicle for people to meet. This list is the best source of meeting of the minds I have found but is nothing compared to face to face. That is really what we do not have... Regards, Fred Trotter On 1/15/06, Dr Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will, When we're discussing resurrecting OSHCA, we're going beyond organising conferences, which organisations like IMIA,AMIA or any organisations advocating open source can do from time to time. We've also gone beyond the debate on the need for incorporation; the issues, pros and cons are in the discussion lists' archives. As pointed out by Christian, the recent discussion had agreed to the idea of resurrecting OSHCA, I wanted some help in refining the Vision and Mission Statements before moving to the structure and governance issues relating to the incorporation processes. Joseph is ahead of me on that score :). As I pointed out to him privately on skype, an example of a successful organisation recently incorporated to address the digital divide and to build a knowledge society is GKP (http://www.globalknowledge.org). I'm not saying we should copy their setup completely, but we can study their concept, structure and governance framework. We can then adapt for OSHCA after we have determined what OSHCA should be. If organising conferences is an agreed activity, the office bearers will do the needful. If the open source healthcare community wish to contribute and make an impact on the WSIS Tunis commitments (http://www.itu.int/wsis/) and the MDGs, three of which are direct health MDGs (http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/), we need to look beyond organising conferences. That's the reason I would like to discuss more widely OSHCA's vision and mission statements (and objectives) first. Molly Will Ross wrote: Christian, Molly All, I'm neutral on the issue of incorporation. If it can help then I'm for it. But I don't want the discussion on incorporation to distract us from the possibility of convening our next OSHCA conference. I'm a strong advocate of having our next OSCHA Conference, with or without incorporation. I've started raising the question of support for a conference with some of the organizations I work with. Here's how I describe it: Can your organization host a three day conference for 150 people, providing auditorium, break out rooms, technical support (wifi + audio-visual facilities with staff), food (continental breakfast plus full lunches) and facilities support (pre-conference planning, attendee registration services, facility access and security, etc). I explain that the conference underwriting has to be substantial because international attendees will need to pay for travel and keep their on site costs to lodging and incidental daily expenses. Consider this post the discussion fork that poses the question: What month in 2006 is best for an OSCHA meeting? I think it goes without saying that many of us will be in Brisbane in August 2007 http://www.medinfo2007.org/ But maybe we can also meet in 2006. As it is still January, now is a good time to focus on this question. With best regards, [wr] - - - - - - - On Jan 14, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Christian Heller wrote: Hi Molly, some weeks ago, about 22 of us mailing list members expressed their support for incorporating OSHCA. I take the liberty to list those: - Molly Cheah - Brian Bray - Adrian Midgley - Fred Trotter - Tim Cook - Christian Heller - Joseph Dal Molin - David Chan - Nandalal Gunaratne - K.S. Bhaskar - Thaddeus N. Albers - Mike McCoy (indirectly through Joseph Dal Molin) - Jubal John (interest in background of the key people involved) - 7 further people who voted on the second mailing list-question - Alric O'Connor - Thomas Beale (here I stopped counting) -- about 22 This is not that many of far more than a hundred list readers. However, it is not few either. It is a start. ... champion, promote, co-ordinate, collaborate etc open source applications in health care. ... The Open Source Health Care Alliance is a collaborative forum to ... OSHCA is a community of people in the health care and informatics Nevertheless, I was asking myself again for reasons to get OSHCA incorporated: A website might suffice to promote OSHCA; a mailing list to
VOE and Linux efforts.
Good afternoon to everyone, hope the end of the week is going well for you. I'm working with a group to study the feasibility of deploying Linux based VOE, if and when it arrives, in our region. We are a rural area and this may be an excellent opportunity for assisting regional healthcare as well as demonstrating the feasibility of Linux/VOE. Since the VOE sources seems to be largely locked up inside of the Cache database on Windows we are studying other issues surrounding complete Linux deployments. One of the most obvious and significant problems seem to be with a graphical client for Linux desktops. We have putzed endlessly with Wine/CPRS and quite frankly it isn't and probably will never be a solution for deployment. Its fine for hacking and experimenting but the unreliability would never support production deployments. The best interests of Linux/OSS/Vista will be best served by having some type of native client capability. To this end we have invested a fair amount of time and effort to understanding the 'RPC' broker architecture being used with Vista/CPRS. Its RPC by definition only since it bears no resemblance to the ONC/XDR RPC we all know and enjoy in the UNIX world. After a bit of time studying the FOIA XWB* sources and scrutinizing packet traces we were able to develop a preliminary implementation of a Java client architecture which knows how to talk to a Vista RPC server/broker. Things are very, very crude but we have gotten far enough to believe this approach is feasible, ie, we can issue 'RPC' requests and get replies back from a Linux based FOIA server. Before we invest any additional time and effort into this I wanted to get a sense of what the community thought about this approach. People are making noises about a WEB/HTML interface to Vista but my sense is that something a LOT like CPRS is needed in the intermediate timeframe to make Linux client implementations a reality. I will look forward to any thoughts and suggestions the collective may have. Best wishes for a pleasant and enjoyable weekend from the northern plains. As always, Dr. G.W. Wettstein, Ph.D. Enjellic Systems Development, LLC. 4206 N. 19th Ave. Specializing in information infra-structure Fargo, ND 58102development. PH: 701-281-1686 FAX: 701-281-3949 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The greatest pleasure in life is doing what other people say you cannot do. -- W. Bagehot
Resurrecting OSHCA - a review
Hi everyone, I must apologise for the lapse in time following the flurry of discussion during the month of November 2005 just before the WSIS in Tunis on the ressurection of OSHCA. I was prompted by Joseph to see if I had recovered from the trip. There was so much to do as follow-up to such a big event, plus the end of year chores. I re-read the postings on the subject and also re-visited the OSHCA.org web-site to see how relevant were the objectives that were set for OSHCA especially in the current context of the open source movement towards mainstream computing. Even Richard Stallman acknowledged that the GPL needs a revision, which its currently undergoing. We're also painfully aware of the lack of responsibility and accountability in dealing with open source applications that can result in the compromise of patient safety and outcomes. Recent postings here on dangerous questions, OSS collections etc. also brought out possible alternatives to OSHCA, but also highlight the absence of an independant global platform to champion, promote, co-ordinate, collaborate etc open source applications in health care. There were also expressions of concerns of various aspects and dimensions, right from the democratic manner of how OSHCA is to be formed to whether we should have a new mailing list... Though I volunteered to move it forward, I also realised that its going to be a very difficult job in order to accommodate all views. As a start, I think its important to review what OSHCA is as stated in its current web-site http://www.oshca.org: The Open Source Health Care Alliance is a collaborative forum to promote and facilitate open source software in human and veterinary healthcare. OSHCA is a community of people in the health care and informatics industries that promotes the open source software concept in health care. OSHCA helps policy makers, commercial enterprises, and users take advantage of the benefits of open source. There is also the Charter found here http://www.oshca.org/charter.html that needs to be reviewed. Here are bits and pieces of statements/questions that were expressed/asked recently... that will help to formulate the Vision, Mission Statements for OSHCA. I would like to get this done with discussions on this mailing list before moving on to listing out the next steps to form the protem committee and get OSHCA incorporated. We also need to decide where OSHCA should be incorporated - developed or developing country and then zoom into deciding the specific country. ... Is anything happening at present with OSHCA? OSHCA is in hibernation or dead In the UK, the British Computer Society has just set up an Open Source Specialist Group (ossg.bcs.org.uk) believe that there is still an international void. I had thought that IMIA might pick it up but .. there is a void and that there is a possibility of a ressurection of OSHCA. There is no record in the trademark office. 11/5/2005 7:40 PM I would be happy to transfer the registration for OSHCA.ORG and to see OSHCA restarted. When OSHCA was formed, there was concern that some governmental organisations could not participate if the organisation was too formal, so it was chartered as a working group and my company agreed to hold the IP rights on behalf of the group. Subsequently, it was overwealmingly decided that the group needed to have a democratic structure in order to grow. Some form of incorporation, probably as a non-profit, is necessary for OSHCA to hold it's own IP rights. I would very much like to see that happen so I can pass control to something durable. If this is what you are proposing, then I'm 100% behind you. -Brian (Bray) ...I would recommend that you consider partnering with the Open Source Working Group of the AMIA. ...I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from AMIA. It would be another thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella organisation of various national organisations ...that OSHCA remain an independent umbrella organization of various national organisations and, of course, of Open Source Software projectsin the healthcare domain. ...The vision for OSHCA when it was first formed was that of a meeting place and a community of communities. This vision is still very valid IMHO, and the need even greater now that there is some real progress and much more credibility for open source in health. and collecting together information on them and sharing them as well as sharing approaches would be a fitting activity for OSCHA. .one of the goals for OSHCA is being a catalyst for change. ...Funding would be nice, but tends to take us into having projects... rather than beeing a meeting of people's projects. ...OSHCA should be an independent organisation / meta-organisation in my view - a forum as others have said. ...There are politics/issues within AMIA that prevent a WG from being all
[Fwd: [his-pt] Help request]
Original Message Subject: Help request Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:23:57 + From: Álvaro Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear colleagues, A student of mine will begin as soon as possible a research about information systems impact on health organisations and professionals performances. Important bibliography indication about this subject will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Álvaro Rocha -- Álvaro Rocha Gabinete: 31 / Cacifo: 163 Faculdade de Ciência e Tecnologia Universidade Fernando Pessoa Praça 9 de Abril, 349 4249-004 Porto Portugal Tel.: +(351) (22) 5071300 Extensão: 2301 Fax: +(351) (22) 5508269 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home-page: http://www.ufp.pt/~amrocha
Re: small practice management programs
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 07:04:58PM +, Adrian Midgley wrote: On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 10:35 -0700, Dr. Matthew Roller wrote: Are you saying to install GNUmed and use it to connect to your database? Yes, that'd be the idea. We set up a public database precisely so that people can test the client without having to install their own database which isn't entirely trivial (but can certainly be done). I'm having a look at 0.1 release of Gnumed at present Please do keep us posted on feedback good or bad on our development list, Adrian. Thanks ! because going to that site with the web browser brings up your apache test page, not knowing GNUmed's model, we need a little more instruction on how to use your testing server. With the port added, I get a zero-sized reply here, it may be a good idea to arrange for the Gnumed back end to return banner if a web-browser connects to it on :5432 telling people what to do next. Well, on that port one connects directly to our public PostgreSQL server. While it's an excellent idea to make that port return a banner if it's not seeing a valid database package that would mean we would have to hack the source of our PostgreSQL instance in the connection sequence. Which from the point of view of security isn't the smartest thing to do, unfortunately. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346
Re: Oacis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you know anything about Oacis (Open Architecture Clinical Information System) by DINMAR, a Sun Microsystems technology partner? Do you mean OACIS in South Australia? See http://www.health.sa.gov.au/oacisprogramme/DesktopDefault.aspx If so, I been to a few talks given by the people who run it. It seems to be one of the more successful population-based clinical data warehousing initiatives, mainly because they didn't have too much money for the implementation and thus the entire thing by necessity is relatively simple in its design and execution, and hence it actually works. It also helps that South Australia has only about 1 million population, mostly in one large population centre (Adelaide), with the rest in the southern eastern corner of the state. Tim C
Re: Oacis
Tim Churches wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you know anything about Oacis (Open Architecture Clinical Information System) by DINMAR, a Sun Microsystems technology partner? Do you mean OACIS in South Australia? See http://www.health.sa.gov.au/oacisprogramme/DesktopDefault.aspx If so, I been to a few talks given by the people who run it. It seems to be one of the more successful population-based clinical data warehousing initiatives, mainly because they didn't have too much money for the implementation and thus the entire thing by necessity is relatively simple in its design and execution, and hence it actually works. It also helps that South Australia has only about 1 million population, mostly in one large population centre (Adelaide), with the rest in the southern eastern corner of the state. Seems that you do mean that OACIS. I was under the (false) impression that Oacis in South Australia was home-grown technology, but it seems that it is not. Or did teh South Australian govt pay for DIMAR to development of the technology but tehn allowed them to reatin copyright on it? Anyway, its not open source. Tim C
Re: Oacis
Hi, Just thought I'd pipe in here as I met these guys in Toronto a couple months ago for a job interview. From what I gathered ... - they seem very much tied with Sun on their efforts -- new research centre co-funded by Sun - OACIS runs on Unix platform, includes Clinical Data Repository (CDR) with Identify Manager (i.e. Regional system) plus HL7 integration - they have a couple of departmental applications too -- care management -- or something like that - I asked about open source ... they said definitely not ... maybe they use open source internally in some ways though??? - seems like a very professional organization that is expanding quickly with their new deals in Ontario - the South Australia connection that was mentioned below all sounds about right FYI, I didn't get that job. Regards, Mike Donnelly Tim Churches wrote: Tim Churches wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you know anything about Oacis (Open Architecture Clinical Information System) by DINMAR, a Sun Microsystems technology partner? Do you mean OACIS in South Australia? See http://www.health.sa.gov.au/oacisprogramme/DesktopDefault.aspx If so, I been to a few talks given by the people who run it. It seems to be one of the more successful population-based clinical data warehousing initiatives, mainly because they didn't have too much money for the implementation and thus the entire thing by necessity is relatively simple in its design and execution, and hence it actually works. It also helps that South Australia has only about 1 million population, mostly in one large population centre (Adelaide), with the rest in the southern eastern corner of the state. Seems that you do mean that OACIS. I was under the (false) impression that Oacis in South Australia was home-grown technology, but it seems that it is not. Or did teh South Australian govt pay for DIMAR to development of the technology but tehn allowed them to reatin copyright on it? Anyway, its not open source. Tim C
Oacis
Do any of you know anything about Oacis (Open Architecture Clinical Information System) by DINMAR, a Sun Microsystems technology partner?
Re: small practice management programs
On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 10:35 -0700, Dr. Matthew Roller wrote: Are you saying to install GNUmed and use it to connect to your database? That would be the thing to do. I'm having a look at 0.1 release of Gnumed at present, but using a different server. I'm fascinated to see how this project goes, I suspect it of being important. because going to that site with the web browser brings up your apache test page, not knowing GNUmed's model, we need a little more instruction on how to use your testing server. With the port added, I get a zero-sized reply here, it may be a good idea to arrange for the Gnumed back end to return banner if a web-browser connects to it on :5432 telling people what to do next. -- Dr Adrian Midgley www.defoam.net
Re: small practice management programs
Karsten Hilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:47:17PM -0600, Ignacio Valdes wrote: Active projects: FreeMed, ClearHealth, OpenEMR, VistA, OSCAR, SQLclinic I'm sure I've left some out. -- IVYes, GNUmed.Yes and it is apt-gettable. NandalalKarsten-- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.netE167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: small practice management programs
Hi all, I can also recommend strongly the openSDE project from Erasmus University Medical Informatics group. It is by far the best structured data entry tool for clinical medicine and is distributed with the GNU Lesser Public license so that it can be integrated with propriety systems (In fact in the Netherlands there are some ongoing projects with the industry) It is again at SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/project/opensde Another good place to check recent open source health/medical apps is to search in sourceforge.net site...It is quite a dynamic and very rich resource indeed. One last comment well kind of seld advertising but I have just published late last nite the true multilingual version of my Anatomic Pathology System, PATHOS-WEB. This project started in 1995 when I was still a med student and grew to an extent that now it is being used in 20+ big centers in Turkey with total record numbers exceeding 1.5 million! Since March 2005 it is Open Source with GPL. It is mostly used in group practice for pathologists and cytologists. PATHOS-WEB URL: http://sourceforge.net/project/pathos-web I am currently doing research to use openEHR archetypes and templates for modeling of concepts and creating dynamic GUIs as part of my Ph.D. work. Cheers, Dr. Koray Atalağ
RE: small practice management programs
Sorry the URLs for projects should be: http://sourceforge.net/projects/opensde http://sourceforge.net/projects/pathos-web -koray
FW: small practice management programs
Hi all, I can also recommend strongly the openSDE project from Erasmus University Medical Informatics group. It is by far the best structured data entry tool for clinical medicine and is distributed with the GNU Lesser Public license so that it can be integrated with propriety systems (In fact in the Netherlands there are some ongoing projects with the industry) It is again at SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/opensde Another good place to check recent open source health/medical apps is to search in sourceforge.net site...It is quite a dynamic and very rich resource indeed. One last comment well kind of seld advertising but I have just published late last nite the true multilingual version of my Anatomic Pathology System, PATHOS-WEB. This project started in 1995 when I was still a med student and grew to an extent that now it is being used in 20+ big centers in Turkey with total record numbers exceeding 1.5 million! Since March 2005 it is Open Source with GPL. It is mostly used in group practice for pathologists and cytologists. PATHOS-WEB URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pathos-web I am currently doing research to use openEHR archetypes and templates for modeling of concepts and creating dynamic GUIs as part of my Ph.D. work. Cheers, Dr. Koray Atalağ
Re: small practice management programs
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:06:37AM -0800, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: Yes, GNUmed. Yes and it is apt-gettable. Sure is ! :-) For testing it out use the public server at server2.gnotary.de. DB: gnumed_v1 user: any-doc pw: any-doc port: 5432 (standard) Or else bootstrap your own local server with our bootstrapper. A local server is several orders of magnitude faster (read instantenous). Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346
Re: small practice management programs
Are you saying to install GNUmed and use it to connect to your database? because going to that site with the web browser brings up your apache test page, not knowing GNUmed's model, we need a little more instruction on how to use your testing server. On 12/17/05, Karsten Hilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:06:37AM -0800, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: Yes, GNUmed. Yes and it is apt-gettable. Sure is ! :-) For testing it out use the public server at server2.gnotary.de. DB: gnumed_v1 user: any-doc pw: any-doc port: 5432 (standard) Or else bootstrap your own local server with our bootstrapper. A local server is several orders of magnitude faster (read instantenous). Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -- Dr. Matthew Roller 9355 S 1300 E Sandy, UT 84094 801-255-3925 http://www.rollerchiropractic.com
Re: small practice management programs
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Dr. Matthew Roller wrote: Are you saying to install GNUmed and use it to connect to your database? Yes. Install any of the available 0.1 packages (Scrollkeeper release), for example the apt-gettable Debian ones. They are preconfigured to allow selection of a public test database hosted at server2.gnotary.de. The database name and port are preconfigured, too, in that server profile. One only needs to supply the user name and password, both being any-doc. Note that the public server is going to be quite slow as it's over here in Germany. A local server is many times faster. because going to that site with the web browser brings up your apache test page, not knowing GNUmed's model, Try: http://salaam.homeunix.com/twiki/bin/view/Gnumed/WebHome if you want to get at the documentation wiki. we need a little more instruction on how to use your testing server. Feel free to come back asking for more if need be. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346
Re: small practice management programs
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:47:17PM -0600, Ignacio Valdes wrote: Active projects: FreeMed, ClearHealth, OpenEMR, VistA, OSCAR, SQLclinic I'm sure I've left some out. -- IV Yes, GNUmed. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346
Re: small practice management programs
Also OpenEMed Dave Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:47:17PM -0600, Ignacio Valdes wrote: Active projects: FreeMed, ClearHealth, OpenEMR, VistA, OSCAR, SQLclinic I'm sure I've left some out. -- IV Yes, GNUmed. Karsten begin:vcard fn:David Forslund n:Forslund;David org:Los Alamos National Laboratory;CCS-DO adr;dom:;;MS B265;Los Alamos;NM;87545 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Laboratory Fellow tel;work:505-665-2633 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: small practice management programs
Dave, I thought OpenEMed was middleware and not an application per se could you tell us more about your clinical/administrative functionality? Joseph David Forslund wrote: Also OpenEMed Dave Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:47:17PM -0600, Ignacio Valdes wrote: Active projects: FreeMed, ClearHealth, OpenEMR, VistA, OSCAR, SQLclinic I'm sure I've left some out. -- IV Yes, GNUmed. Karsten
Re: small practice management programs
Well it is built around middleware but supports a fully customizable clinical functionality. It isn't that much oriented (at this time) to administrative functions, but using XML templates can support just about any clinical information. Because of its customizability, it isn't a turn-key system as it stands, although we hope that to change in the near future. It does come with a simple immunization registry and a bio-surveillance capability. In addition, it now has a fairly complete implementation of the HL7 CTS vocabulary specification. Dave Joseph Dal Molin wrote: Dave, I thought OpenEMed was middleware and not an application per se could you tell us more about your clinical/administrative functionality? Joseph David Forslund wrote: Also OpenEMed Dave Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:47:17PM -0600, Ignacio Valdes wrote: Active projects: FreeMed, ClearHealth, OpenEMR, VistA, OSCAR, SQLclinic I'm sure I've left some out. -- IV Yes, GNUmed. Karsten
Re: small practice management programs
Heitzso wrote: Anyone know the current status of open source small practice management programs? Or what web sites that monitor open source health programs are current? Try http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/chapter/5730 and http://sls.netpatia.com/?q=taxonomy/term/5 J. Antas
Re: small practice management programs
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:33:03 -0500 Heitzso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know the current status of open source small practice management programs? Or what web sites that monitor open source health programs are current? Thanks, Heitzso Linux Medical News frequently has project announcements and press releases: http://www.linuxmednews.com Active projects: FreeMed, ClearHealth, OpenEMR, VistA, OSCAR, SQLclinic I'm sure I've left some out. -- IV
small practice management programs
Anyone know the current status of open source small practice management programs? Or what web sites that monitor open source health programs are current? Thanks, Heitzso
Re: small practice management programs
You may try at SourceForge.net. We have some projects running there. http://sourceforge.net/projects/deardr http://sourceforge.net/projects/saukhyalite http://sourceforge.net/projects/medistore http://sourceforge.net/projects/labrep Note that they are actually developed as per Indian needs and are targeted at developing countries that are less matured to Information Technology usage. All the best. Rajesh We are on a mission http://in.zudha.com Quoting Heitzso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone know the current status of open source small practice management programs? Or what web sites that monitor open source health programs are current? Thanks, Heitzso
Eclipse open health framework proposal
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ohf/main.php anyone involved? yet. -- Adrian Midgley Exeter www.defoam.net
Re: Eclipse open health framework proposal
I was invited earlier, but was unable to join the initial meeting which set this up. I may yet join the effort. Dave Adrian Midgley wrote: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ohf/main.php anyone involved? yet. begin:vcard fn:David Forslund n:Forslund;David org:Los Alamos National Laboratory;CCS-DO adr;dom:;;MS B265;Los Alamos;NM;87545 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Laboratory Fellow tel;work:505-665-2633 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: WSIS Tunis
Hi Molly! I'll be in TUNIS and would love to see OSHCA get together! Will look for you at the exhibit sited below. Best, Mary - Original Message - From: Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:48 am Subject: WSIS Tunis Hi! It's almost 2 years since we last annnouced on this list about meeting up of those who were attending WSIS Geneva Phase. I will be attending the WSIS Tunis Phase from 13th November till 20th November. I am wondering if anyone else from this list is going to be there so that we can meet? This year appears to have more parallel activities on discussing open source. Health MDGs also feature strongly. In order to achieve the targets of the MDGs, we needeffective tools and I wonder if this summit can provide the opportune timing to discuss the ?revival of OSHCA. We need an open source healthcare platform to move the MDGs' agenda. Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA and he has agreed to this. I haven't scheduled a definitive date and time for this meeting and I would be happy to take the lead to organise this and carry it forward, if there is support for the idea. My posting this is to gauge the response to this idea. You can also e-mail me privately. I will be contactable at the Sharing the Future Pavilion No: 1307.1 http://www.mediacoding.ch/ottofrei/tunis/map3/ Rgds, Molly
Re: WSIS Tunis
Looks like there will be strong representations from the US universities. Based on the Sharing the Future Joint Initiative of UNDP Pavilion activiies, MIT and Harvard are presenting with briefing sessions on the MIT100$ laptop and workshop on Roadmap for Open ICT Ecosystems. Which activities are you participating in, Mary? I'm also looking closely at the scheduling of the different activities to choose an appropriate day and time to meet. Any suggestions from those who will be in Tunis? My suggestion is perhaps on the 16th (time to be decided later?) when we have sort of settled a bit? There is a common facility at the Pavilion (1307.1) called *Coffee Point: *Providing a meeting point for the participants and visitors and an opportunity for exploring new encounters which sounds ideal :) I've been booked into the Hotel Khereddine Pacha, 2-4 Khereddine Pacha Avenue, Tunis, Tel +216 71 788 211. See you there Mary. Anyone else going to be there? Rgds, Molly Mary Kratz wrote: Hi Molly! I'll be in TUNIS and would love to see OSHCA get together! Will look for you at the exhibit sited below. Best, Mary - Original Message - From: Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:48 am Subject: WSIS Tunis Hi! It's almost 2 years since we last annnouced on this list about meeting up of those who were attending WSIS Geneva Phase. I will be attending the WSIS Tunis Phase from 13th November till 20th November. I am wondering if anyone else from this list is going to be there so that we can meet? This year appears to have more parallel activities on discussing open source. Health MDGs also feature strongly. In order to achieve the targets of the MDGs, we needeffective tools and I wonder if this summit can provide the opportune timing to discuss the ?revival of OSHCA. We need an open source healthcare platform to move the MDGs' agenda. Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA and he has agreed to this. I haven't scheduled a definitive date and time for this meeting and I would be happy to take the lead to organise this and carry it forward, if there is support for the idea. My posting this is to gauge the response to this idea. You can also e-mail me privately. I will be contactable at the Sharing the Future Pavilion No: 1307.1 http://www.mediacoding.ch/ottofrei/tunis/map3/ Rgds, Molly
WSIS Tunis
Hi! It's almost 2 years since we last annnouced on this list about meeting up of those who were attending WSIS Geneva Phase. I will be attending the WSIS Tunis Phase from 13th November till 20th November. I am wondering if anyone else from this list is going to be there so that we can meet? This year appears to have more parallel activities on discussing open source. Health MDGs also feature strongly. In order to achieve the targets of the MDGs, we needeffective tools and I wonder if this summit can provide the opportune timing to discuss the ?revival of OSHCA. We need an open source healthcare platform to move the MDGs' agenda. Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA and he has agreed to this. I haven't scheduled a definitive date and time for this meeting and I would be happy to take the lead to organise this and carry it forward, if there is support for the idea. My posting this is to gauge the response to this idea. You can also e-mail me privately. I will be contactable at the Sharing the Future Pavilion No: 1307.1 http://www.mediacoding.ch/ottofrei/tunis/map3/ Rgds, Molly
Open roster for open source programmers
I would like to invite any of you with software development, project management, training, OR business consulting experience to submit your vitae/resume to be included in Cognition's open roster. I am also interested in hearing from scientists and those with advanced degrees who are currently managing open source projects. Please send the information below, which will be held in strict confidence, to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This open roster contains a list of people who would be available to hire in the event we begin a project requiring your skills. I opened this work roster about two years ago, and it now needs to be renewed. So, even if you've submitted before, please submit again. When you send in your information, please include the following: * name and contact information * dates of availability * a short list of employers and titles * whether or not you have a security clearance In general, you can expect the following from a position at Cognition Group: * work very closely with/liason/and contribute to open source software. * work on platforms integration and interoperability * some relocation assistance * a reasonable wage and benefits package Thank you very much! Richard Schilling
Re: larger FOSS work.
--- Ignacio Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a remarkably good article called: Barriers to Proliferation of Electronic Medical Records by some guy named Valdes. It is a very good article, and I am happy to say I know this guy from a mailing list. Nandalal http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=pubmeddopt=Abstractlist_uids=15140347query_hl=3 -- IV On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:23:26 -0500 Bruce Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ignacio for those edits and additions. Anyone, Any thoughts on a larger published work either in peer-reviewed or web-published? Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
