[PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Hi folks, is there a way around to have multiple audio inputs, like you can with MIDI? dont ask me why, but I need to use the computer line input and also an audio card. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] [fux_qrcode] - qrcode reader for puredata

2011-09-28 Thread Budi Prakosa
video demo: http://vimeo.com/29644014 have fun hehe On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Ah, cool, now I need to find me some qrcodes to play with :) .hc On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Budi Prakosa wrote: hi list, for a project i have to make a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-27 à 21:49:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34:43AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: The pdextended license (GPL) doesn't say to which parts of the programme it applies, and all the copyright/license notices I can find (in a bêta of 42) are all BSD. Changes

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 03:07:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : Hi folks, is there a way around to have multiple audio inputs, like you can with MIDI? dont ask me why, but I need to use the computer line input and also an audio card. options -audiodev, -inchannels and -outchannels can take

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
hmm, how exactly? didnt work over here :( 2011/9/28 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Le 2011-09-28 à 03:07:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : Hi folks, is there a way around to have multiple audio inputs, like you can with MIDI? dont ask me why, but I need to use the computer line

Re: [PD] pd-extended license WAS: Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 13:47:00, Chris McCormick a écrit : Hm, wait a second. Maybe the pd-extended binary can be licensed GPLv3 which might be what you mean. Can it ever apply to binaries on their own ? I think it only ever applies to source code and only indirectly to binaries made using GPL

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hi Alexandre, On 28/09/2011 08:30, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: hmm, how exactly? didnt work over here :( 2011/9/28 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca mailto:ma...@artengine.ca Le 2011-09-28 à 03:07:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : Hi folks, is there a way around to have

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 03:30:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : hmm, how exactly? didnt work over here :( How am I supposed to know what didn't work on your side ? Or anyone else... __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone :

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
it just didn't, I put the comma and another dev number, but got an error. error: 3: can't open error: -inchannels: can't open error: -audiooutdev: can't open error: 2: can't open error: -outchannels: can't open error: -midiindev: can't open error: 1: can't open 2011/9/28 Mathieu Bouchard

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/11 13:38, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-27 à 21:35:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : Using Shift-Enter for newlines doesn't seem like a very intuitive design to me. It's already used in Skype, but I'm pretty sure that I implemented it before I ever saw Skype, and I'm sure that I

Re: [PD] use VST-Instruments in a PD patch?

2011-09-28 Thread Thomas Grill
Hi all, a short note: vst~ doesn't actually have to be Windows only - it's just a matter of someone stepping in to contribute the code for MacOS. I don't have time to do that, but it would be a worthwhile effort. gr~~~ Am 27.09.2011 um 21:05 schrieb David Schaffer: vst~ is an excellent

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD License, some under the Tcl License (which Pd was originally), some under GPLv2, etc. My

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/11 19:31, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD License, some under the Tcl License (which Pd was

Re: [PD] pd-extended license WAS: Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:47 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hi Hans, On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 05:32:14PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 27, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-27 à 16:41:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : No one is talking about relicensing.

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD License, some under the Tcl License (which

[PD] throw~ / catch~ versus send~ / receive~

2011-09-28 Thread Björn Eriksson
Hello, first time poster here at [PD] list... been following the different threads with big interest last weeks. I am somewhat a beginner at Pd and have therefore maybe some trivial question.. that is .. what are the differences between throw~ / catch~ and send~ / receive~ ? For me they seem to

Re: [PD] throw~ / catch~ versus send~ / receive~

2011-09-28 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hi Björn, On 28/09/2011 15:27, Björn Eriksson wrote: [...] what are the differences between throw~ / catch~ and send~ / receive~ ? For me they seem to work equally well, either as bus sending or single audio signal send. From the Pd Documentation [1]: There can be many throw~ objects

Re: [PD] testtone comments

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Here's a fix for about.pd (Also widened the window a bit so the entire version string can be read on systems with larger fonts) -Jonathan From: tim vets timv...@gmail.com To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [PD]

Re: [PD] pd-extended license WAS: Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Wow, I guess I was wrong about this being off topic. It seems people have a lot of questions about this. In the case of a GPL project including a BSD code, there is not a separate license. Only the copyright holder can change the license. It is just that the BSD license allows you to

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Simon Wise wrote: On 28/09/11 19:31, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 04:31:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : If I can't be sure that other Pd contributors won't claim that the GPL applies to contributions I'm making that are intended for the Vanilla's BSD core, that makes it a lot less attractive to contribute to this project. There you go.

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43:06AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The question with this patch then, is does it work fine on GNU/ Linux and Windows? I don't know. I'm experienced with cross-platform development and I have a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-26 à 20:29:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:26:27AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Check out the GUI plugins, they could be a fun way for you to learn Tcl. Yes, this is actually one of my

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 04:31:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : If I can't be sure that other Pd contributors won't claim that the GPL applies to contributions I'm making that are intended for the Vanilla's BSD core, that makes it a lot less

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 11:00:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is a fork of the pure-data.git repo of Miller, it is largely intended as

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 20:12:00, Simon Wise a écrit : Many parts are more widely usable than the GPL allows, but you would need to check the license for that part before doing so ... the only thing that the distribution claims is that its contents are all compatible with GPL3. I just downloaded Pd

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 11:00:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is a fork of

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 20:12:00, Simon Wise a écrit : Many parts are more widely usable than the GPL allows, but you would need to check the license for that part before doing so ... the only thing that the distribution claims is that its

[PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Ludwig Maes
Im not sure what the best way is to instantiate variable number of objects, for example consider polysynth.pd: Theres a fixed number of manually placed voices, suppose I want to have the top patch to contain a counter through which one may increase or decrease the number of voices, how would I go

Re: [PD] testtone comments

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey Jonathan, Cool, thanks I'll include that. I was thinking, it would nice if the list of credits at the bottom was randomized. Could you add that? Right now its in a pretty arbitrary order and it would be nice to add names without worrying about the order. .hc On Sep 28, 2011, at

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Ingo
To my experience there will be definitely audio dropouts with dynamic voice creation. In the case of my rather complex patch (with currently only 8 voices) I have to wait up to ten seconds until the patch is ready again for playback. I am using a 3.2 GHz Athlon II X2 which is not that slow.

[PD] PD for theatrical use

2011-09-28 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Hi I will be most likely be giving a workshop class for using pure data in theatrical/Dance performance @ SETC this year Some of you might remember last year @ EmillyCarr we demo-ed a 5.1 sound server using pd/pdjimmies/lyon potpourri objects Interfacing with 4 marker less motion capture units

[PD] Fwd: Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Ludwig Maes
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com Date: 28 September 2011 19:29 Subject: Re: [PD] Variable number of objects? To: Ingo i...@miamiwave.com I actually meant more in general, also for non-~ signals (i.e. also control rate .pd patches). I referred to

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Ludwig Maes
Perhaps better rephrased: how does one use arrays of .pd objects? or variable length vectors/lists? On 28 September 2011 19:29, Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com Date: 28 September 2011 19:29 Subject:

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Perfect, didnt know about tis OSX feature, cool! Thanks! 2011/9/28 Jean-Marie Adrien j...@jeanmarie-adrien.net hi possible on OsX with aggregated devices JM Le 28 sept. 11 à 08:07, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : Hi folks, is there a way around to have multiple audio inputs, like you

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 11:31:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Yes, it would be misleading to say Pd is under the GPL. I haven't heard anyone say that. Pd-extended is under the GPL tho. Sorry. I meant that it's misleading to say that Pd-extended is under the GPL.

Re: [PD] Fwd: Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 19:29:00, Ludwig Maes a écrit : How can that take 10 seconds?? I dont see what would cause such a huge overhead, i'd expect an increase in computations memory though (say from 10 voices to 11: 10% increase in cpu workload ram dedicated to these voices..., I fail to see what

Re: [PD] multipe audio inputs

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 03:53:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : it just didn't, I put the comma and another dev number, but got an error. error: -inchannels: can't open error: -audiooutdev: can't open error: -outchannels: can't open error: -midiindev: can't open Those look like

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 11:31:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Yes, it would be misleading to say Pd is under the GPL. I haven't heard anyone say that. Pd-extended is under the GPL tho. Sorry. I meant that it's misleading to say that

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 19:31:00, Ludwig Maes a écrit : Perhaps better rephrased: how does one use arrays of .pd objects? or variable length vectors/lists? [#many tgl] makes mosaïcs of toggles, [#many nbx] makes mosaïcs of numberboxes, like this : http://gridflow.ca/help/%23many-help.html It's

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Charles Henry
I'd really hope to hear from Krzystof on this topic. His [more]/[less] objects presented at the PdCon were really interesting for creating large numbers of voices. The difference in approach embeds the new instances (without having a graphical representation) into the same abstraction and sums

Re: [PD] testtone comments

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: tim vets timv...@gmail.com; pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [PD] testtone comments Hey Jonathan, Cool, thanks I'll include

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-28 à 20:12:00, Simon Wise a écrit : Many

[PD] gdb and Pd WAS: testtone comments

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: tim vets timv...@gmail.com; pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [PD] testtone

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Charles Henry
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com wrote: Where do I learn more about the more/less objects? Here's the abstract: http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Conference/Self-replication:_how_to_do_more_using_less The full conference proceedings are due to be

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Anyone have a link to his paper on more/less? I coudlnt' find it. .hc On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Charles Henry wrote: I'd really hope to hear from Krzystof on this topic. His [more]/[less] objects presented at the PdCon were really interesting for creating large numbers of voices. The

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I don't know if I posted this to this thread already, but try out the 'many' lib, it has a few different approaches to managing many instances of Pd objects. http://download.puredata.info/many .hc On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Ludwig Maes wrote: Perhaps better rephrased: how does one use

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Ingo
Well, as I said in my case the voices are very complex. There are hundreds of audio objects in each voice. It takes a lot of time to adjust all of the signal flow and reallocate the memory I guess. Control objects shouldn't be such a big problem. Ingo

Re: [PD] Variable number of objects?

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com To: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Variable number of objects? Perhaps better rephrased: how does one use arrays of .pd objects? or variable length vectors/lists?

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mathieu

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge,

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 11:12:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Is there a precedent for the phrase Standard Improved BSD License for the three-clause BSD? It seems to be a puckettism that propagated throughout the pd world, including my references to «SIBSD» some years ago. If not, this needs to be

Re: [PD] PD for theatrical use

2011-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rosario
I'm highly interested in the workshop documentation since I can't attend for geographical reasons. Could that be considered? I mainly work for dancers here in Puerto Rico, but there ain't no resources of any kind, available, except what can be found on the internet. thanks, Eduardo On Wed, Sep

Re: [PD] throw~ / catch~ versus send~ / receive~

2011-09-28 Thread Björn Eriksson
Thanks for the info and pointer! Was by that also getting aware about the possible added delay When you send a signal to a point that is earlier in the sorted list of tilde objects, the signal doesn't get there until the next cycle of DSP computation, one block later; so your signal will be

Re: [PD] throw~ / catch~ versus send~ / receive~

2011-09-28 Thread Ingo
I would assume this one block delay could be avoided by „cut” and “undo” of the [catch~] object after creating new [throw~] objects. Right? But how can you time it if they are in different abstractions? Ingo _ Von: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] Im Auftrag

Re: [PD] throw~ / catch~ versus send~ / receive~

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 29/09/11 09:36, Ingo wrote: I would assume this one block delay could be avoided by „cut” and “undo” of the [catch~] object after creating new [throw~] objects. Right? But how can you time it if they are in different abstractions? search the list archives .. this has been answered in

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:00:21AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is a fork of the pure-data.git repo of Miller, it is

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:38 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:00:21AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:44:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In my opinion, using GPLv3 has been the easiest of the options. It means that we can use code that is licensed with a BSD, MIT, Tcl, Apache, GPLv2, LGPL, GPLv3, etc.. So its the most compatible to the code that's