On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Cotty wrote:
Check this out: back in 1984 we had an assistant film editor who was
engaged but the marriage was called off a few days before as the groom
had decided he was gay and ran off with the best man.
Beat that: wedding called off when the bride's father catches the
bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Get yer money up front. I've had marriages end before the album is
delivered.
Hell, I had a marriage end just before the bride walks into the church.
And that was one incredibly funny (to me, but I am a twited pig) day.
William Robb
Yeah but divorces are expensive because they are worth it. ;-)
Len
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From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:52 PM
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In the local VFW hall?
BR
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'll do that. On a Tuesday.
In February .
tv
Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...divorces are expensive because they are worth it. ;-)
Absolutely brilliant!
(But it still ain't gonna make the PDML famous quotations list!)
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Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was:
Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
For those about to venture into wedding photography,
be careful and buy a few books on it. My wedding photos
and planning was much better after some good reading.
I also felt compelled to warn the client up front
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thump.
In the local VFW hall?
BR
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'll do that. On a Tuesday.
In February .
tv
wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off
my high-horse... with a thump.)
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Most of the big photo houses around Salt Lake
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I don't, and won't, be the official photographer at a wedding. Since the
only weddings we attend are those of friends and relatives, my wedding
gift is a set of candids. I always clear what I'm doing with the pro, get
his/her okay, and do my best to stay out of their way. I usually know most
of
Unless I missed it in this thread somewhere, I've seen no one comment on the
staging of the ceremony afterwards to compensate for either the lack of
flash during or no shooting at all during the ceremony. I've had pretty
good success and complete cooperation from the clergy in this matter thus
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Bill Owens wrote:
I don't, and won't, be the official photographer at a wedding. Since the
only weddings we attend are those of friends and relatives, my wedding
gift is a set of candids. I always clear what I'm doing with the pro, get
his/her okay, and do my best to
What are Hot Pockets?
tom wrote:
Anyway, I shoot the wedding, reception is at the VFW hall. Catered by
the VFW - frozen vegetables and those really nasty frozen chicken kiev
patties. Basically Hot Pockets, but not as good. Very inexpensive
wedding.
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Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my
high-horse... with a
thump.
What are Hot Pockets?
tom wrote:
Anyway, I shoot the wedding, reception is at the VFW
hall. Catered by
the VFW - frozen vegetables and those really nasty frozen
chicken kiev
patties. Basically Hot Pockets
Yuck! Probably loaded with chemicals and treated waste products.
tom wrote:
Oh jeez, they have their own site -
http://www.hotpockets.com/
Hot pocket dissection -
http://www.cockeyed.com/science/hotpocket/hotpok1.html
I think a lot depends upon the environment in which the photographer meets
to discuss the booking. If the prospective clients come to the
photographer's studio, they are influenced by what they see there. Pictures
on the walls, diplomas, degrees, memberships in professional societies, the
Hi,
[...]
I also felt compelled to warn the client up front that
photography processes are not 100% reliable and there
is always a small chance of something going wrong. That
way if something did go wrong they would be more willing
to accept it. Also, when things went right ( they always did
I told Rodney Dangerfield the story of my life many years ago and he made a
fortune with it.
Len
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Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...divorces are expensive because they are worth it. ;-)
Absolutely brilliant!
(But it still ain't gonna make the PDML
Steve Sint's book is a nice starting place.
Len
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For those about to venture into wedding photography,
be careful and buy a few books on it. My wedding photos
and planning was much better after some good reading.
I also felt compelled to warn the client up
Similar to Lean Pockets, as advertised, ad nauseum, on the teli.
Len
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004
Yeah, I went to the site Tom mentioned.
Never saw a ... Pockets ad on the telly.
Leonard Paris wrote:
Similar to Lean Pockets, as advertised, ad nauseum, on the teli.
I must admit you are more ascetic than I.
Len
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:56:03 -0800
Yeah
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From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:08 PM
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Hi,
I've been to Mormon weddings and inside Mormon temples, and I'm an
atheist.
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Cheers,
Bob
) married a Mormon and they had a short but
sweet marriage in a Ward house.
Jeff Jonsson
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From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:08 PM
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Hi,
I've
Hello Jeff,
Gee, since I shoot quite of few of them, I term them both. The
wedding is at the temple and the reception is somewhere else. In
fact, I am shooting one tomorrow at the Oakland Temple. In this case,
the wedding is tomorrow, but the reception is next week.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
No, they are not. There is no legal polygamy and those who practice
polygamy are not Mormons.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 12:14:59 PM, you wrote:
JCOC Aren't the mormons the ones that engage in legal polygamy?
JCOC jco
JCOC
, January 07, 2004 1:15 PM
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thump.
Aren't the mormons the ones that engage in legal polygamy?
jco
J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a
thump.
Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS
(Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside
the Temples with temple
Hi,
Wow, must not be in Utah.
France and England. When I was 14 I went with a school friend to stay
with our pen-friends in Reims. We were looking forward to 2 weeks of
binge-drinking and chasing French girls. Turned out our pen-friends'
family was Mormon. We were very disappointed. They
all of the faithful aspire to.
Jeff Jonsson
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From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:52 PM
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Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a
thump.
Hi,
Wow, must not be in Utah.
France
Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, give'em a couple of centuries. They'll thaw up.
Buddhism looks better...:-)
Speaking of which:
Has anyone ever photographed a Buddhist wedding?
And if so, what form of Buddhism? (Tibetan, Zen, etc.)
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
Started to make a long comment to this then realized this definately is a
religous/political issue. Not discussing such is one of the conscenses of the
folks on this list. So I, and I hope everyone else, will forbare.
--
Jeff Jonsson wrote:
The official LDS church based in Salt Lake City does
Hello Bob,
You may be mixing up Temples and regular church buildings. Based on
your description, you went to a regular church, not a temple.
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Best regards,
Bruce
Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 12:51:31 PM, you wrote:
BW Hi,
Wow, must not be in Utah.
BW France and England. When I was 14 I
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Get yer money up front. I've had marriages end before the album is
delivered.
Hell, I had a marriage end just before the bride walks into the church.
And that was one incredibly funny (to me, but I am a twited pig) day.
Which part of our fore should we bare? vbg
Len
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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graywolf, I very rarely shoot the reception. I generally shoot them
entering the reception venue. Some still lifes of the table settings, cake
etc., a mock
this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:28:35 -0500
On 7 Jan 2004 at 16:26, graywolf wrote:
Started to make a long comment to this then realized this definately is a
religous/political issue. Not discussing such is one of the conscenses of the
folks on this list. So I, and I hope everyone else, will forbare.
I hope that we can get off
Frank,
You don't have to be anyone that you aren't to do portrait photography.
I really love shooting protraits of people I know. I try to capture an
image that defines who they are, at least in my estimation. It's a very
satisfying thing when you capture the essence of a friend. I never sell
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:45:37 -0600
Frank,
You don't have to be anyone that you aren't to do
I've agreed to do the photography at a friends wedding this year. It
still has no legal standing here, but the celebrant will still take
their money and do a ceremony. I'm not sure at this stage how many of
the traditional shots will still work without the girl in the white
dress. Fortunately
of our fore should we bare? vbg
Len
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:27 PM
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Down off my high-horse
Amita said:
I think most brides are just ignorant, and they're getting hit with so
much marketing and they have so many details to deal with that their
heads are spinning. They're mostly concerned about how they'll look and
with making sure everything and everyone matches. VBG So something
Yeah, but the point is that in years to come, they will
discover that it was their choice of photographer that
enabled them to SHOW people what they looked like *when* they
looked great, everything matched etc...
I agree completely! I was simply trying to come up with an answer to
Frank's
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From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wonder how many engaged couples (or their families) try to
bargain down
the limosine company? Or the reception hall? (HA! try
that one!)
I think most brides are just ignorant, and they're getting
hit with so
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From: Bruce Dayton
Subject: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a
thump.
One real issue/problem is that the general percieved value of a
photograph has steadily declined as the ability to make/create one has
increased. Many years ago
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography
Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Yeah, but the point is that in years to come, they will discover that it
was
their choice of photographer that enabled them to SHOW people what they
looked
hasn't gained the knowledge of photography was pretty poor. But with
good PS cameras and mini labs, the ability for anyone to create a
passable snapshot has made them feel that the value of the item
(photo) isn't very high. After all, all I did was press a button. I
really didn't have to know
Yeah, but the point is that in years to come, they will discover that it was
their choice of photographer that enabled them to SHOW people what they
looked like *when* they looked great, everything matched etc...
tan.
That is it!
Photographers are there to show what they spent their $200
Why is it the Catholics, who have been around for a couple of thousand
years, will allow me to shoot from the alter, as long as I don't make a
spectacle, but some wannabe cult that was born last week makes my life
miserable?
Go figure. I don't get it.
William Robb
William, it depends on the
Hi,
If the divorce statisitcs in Oz are anything like they are here, there is a
50:50 chance that they won't want to be reminded of that particular day.
Get yer money up front. I've had marriages end before the album is
delivered.
Hell, I had a marriage end just before the bride walks into
Bill said:
On the heels of the AF revolution came the PJ style of wedding
photography, which to me requires as much skill as squishing a wounded
bug.
Jeez Bill, hope tv doesn't read that...
I totally disagree with you on that point. I am hopeless at PJ photography
and I don't really like it
make the money - and you don't have to lug 50 lbs of
Mamiya gear around to do it.
--
Robert
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From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:41 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse
Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
Bill said:
On the heels of the AF revolution came the PJ style of wedding
photography, which to me requires as much skill as squishing a wounded
bug.
Jeez Bill, hope tv doesn't read that...
Yeah, as a tv customer, I'd have to say I hired him for his
promised. Ceremony ends and priest thanks me for my assistance (?!?) and
then congratulates me on a job well done
I think some priests have had very bad experiences in the past and they
prefer to be safe than sorry. We photographed a wedding where apart from us
there were 7 or 8 other people
? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Yeah, but the point is that in years to come, they will discover that it
was
their choice of photographer that enabled them to SHOW people what they
looked like *when* they looked great, everything matched etc...
tan.
That is it!
Photographers
Back long ago when I sold real estate I had all these customers I showed around
and very few sales. Then one day I woke up, and I did some figuring. I found
that for someone to buy a house (and I mean the very cheapest house) in the area
I was in they had to have an income of $50,000/year and
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From: Amita Guha
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a
thump.
The Presbyterian church where we got married (200 year old congregation)
didn't allow photography during the service, but we knew about that well
in advance. I
Bitch and moan, bitch and moan, wah, wah, wah.
Just to counteract the horror stories...
- I like most of my clients. Every once in a while I get hired by a
twit, but generally they're very nice people who treat me well. In
fact, most of them treat me like I'm doing them a favor.
- I shoot what
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