2010/2/26 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
Had (well, I still have it, but it's dead) Unicomp Endurapro; it might
have recovered from the water but not from me trying to get it apart to
dry it.
hmm sounds like they put it together for a reason ;)
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On 2/25/2010 7:05 PM, Bob W wrote:
Piss off little roo eater.;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up
with some egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't
do it again
though -
Yes, but the there were a few manufactures who produced keyboards, that
were not quite as nice as the old IBM's that still had a pretty good
tactile response, yet had the new Windows key. I have use two of them
that I use personally that have that old IBM feel. One is built that
way, the
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
Bob W wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up
with some egg whites and sugar, made a roo
2010/2/25 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
I don't think it's that simple, I have looked at enough RAW files from
the K7/K20D to know what the IQ differences are. The AF still sucks
compared to the competition and the metering is no problem in any
case, if it's critical I use the digital
On 25/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
But I digress, my point is that for K-mount, you'll have to expect the
feature implementation of Pentax to always lag behind the bigger
brands.
I think that they lag behind everyone and by more than a couple of
generations in important areas
2010/2/25 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
The critical qualifier in that argument is compared to the competition.
Take a critical look backwards on Pentax' K-mount camera development,
and you'll find that since the introduction of autofocus, or maybe
earlier, they have never been spitzen
2010/2/25 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
I think that they lag behind everyone and by more than a couple of
generations in important areas such as AF performance and mechanics
and there's really no excuse.
Find another camera maker, then. One that's better at excuses, if
nothing else.
2010/2/25 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
yeah and now they're moving service and manufacturing quality down and
lens prices to meaningless levels - some prices down 20% others up
136% and actually making their products an unjustifiable luxury... I
for one will give them another year to see if
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
I think that they lag behind everyone and by more than a couple of
generations in important areas such as AF performance and mechanics
and there's really no excuse.
I think in AF they are 3-4
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Find another camera maker, then. One that's better at excuses, if
nothing else. :-)
As you may appreciate it's far easier said than done, I currently own
15 pieces of Pentax glass and one nice V125/25 in K mount (though I do
have another in
2010/2/25 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
Meh. Find a justfiable luxury then. One you can enjoy without being
annoyed. Life contains too small a number of 1/125s slices as it is.
:-)
Naaah I don't wanna spend my life being annoyed - I just go out and do
stuff and enjoy it the best I can. If I
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Find another camera maker, then. One that's better at excuses, if
nothing else. :-)
As you may appreciate it's far easier said than done,
I
I hope Jostein does not work in the Customer Service department of his
organization.
Tom C.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:00 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf
Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Find another camera maker, then. One that's better at excuses, if
nothing else. :-)
As you may appreciate it's far easier said than done,
I find these dismissive
William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
being told to go away and stop bitching because I would like a
camera that is as good as what the competition had on the market 5 years ago
is unreasonable.
That's a Mark
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Jostein does not work in the Customer Service department of his
organization.
Tom C.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:00 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf
2010/2/25 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
being told to go away and stop bitching because I would like a
camera that is as good as what the competition had on the market 5 years ago
is unreasonable.
You can bitch about that too if you like, bro. :-)
Jostein
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Bill, I respectfully request that from now on you only say NICE things
about Pentax. Stop blaspheming or you'll be excommunicated.
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:49 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
being told to go away and stop bitching
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
I hope Jostein does not work in the Customer Service department of his
organization.
I knew I could rely on you for changing focus from topic to person, Tom.
Jostein
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Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And how is you're referring to legitimate opinions and complaints as
bitching and suggesting that list members that post such just go away,
find another camera maker, any less person-focused than my
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Bill, I respectfully request that from now on you only say NICE things
about Pentax. Stop blaspheming or you'll be excommunicated.
Cheeky.
Re-examine this thread, and see if you can actually quote me for
praising Pentax. So, in fact you are not only being
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And how is you're referring to legitimate opinions and complaints as
bitching and suggesting that list members that post such just go away,
find another camera
OK, what's the point?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:03 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Bill, I respectfully request that from now on you only say NICE things
about Pentax. Stop blaspheming or you'll be excommunicated.
Cheeky.
Re-examine this thread,
Not guilty.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:06 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And how is you're referring to legitimate opinions and complaints as
bitching
On 25 February 2010 21:10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
I think that they lag behind everyone and by more than a couple of
generations in important areas such as AF performance and mechanics
and there's really no excuse.
Find another
- Original Message -
From: AlunFoto
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
2010/2/25 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
being told to go away and stop bitching because I would like a
camera that is as good as what the competition had on the market 5 years
ago
is unreasonable
- Original Message -
From: David Savage
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
Find another camera maker, then.
I did.
And guess what? The grass IS greener.
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
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On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:06 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And how is you're referring to legitimate opinions and complaints as
bitching and suggesting that list members
I hate Pentax and they're the worst camera manufacturer on the planet. There.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:27 AM, paul stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:06 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you
2010/2/25 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com:
On 25 February 2010 21:10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
I think that they lag behind everyone and by more than a couple of
generations in important areas such as AF performance and mechanics
and
Simply dichotomous - again.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:27 AM, paul stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:06 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And
On 26/02/2010, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Mmmm, Skippy ;-P...
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No. We'd bitch about the crap keyboard mfrs.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:38 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com:
On 25 February 2010 21:10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
I think that they lag
LOL. I love that show.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/02/2010, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Mmmm, Skippy ;-P...
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Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/02/2010, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Mmmm, Skippy ;-P...
Kangaroo and peanut butter - two great tastes that go great together.
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Won't do any good, can't find a decent Keyboard for love nor money any
more. (I keep searching for and recycling oldies with decent tactile feel).
On 2/25/2010 10:39 AM, Tom C wrote:
No. We'd bitch about the crap keyboard mfrs.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:38 AM, AlunFotoalunf...@gmail.com
Listen.
When those of you on the list have nice things to say about Pentax or
your gear, (speaking for those of us involved in this thread), myself
and others with dissenting opinions don't respond with posts
essentially telling you to go away, or stop making such celebratory
posts.
We may
A Kangaroo Peanut Butter Curry would hit the spot right now.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/02/2010, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Mmmm, Skippy ;-P...
Kangaroo and peanut
From: AlunFoto
The critical qualifier in that argument is compared to the competition.
But I digress, my point is that for K-mount, you'll have to expect the
feature implementation of Pentax to always lag behind the bigger
brands.
I think the critical question is how far behind will
I wish Pentax autofocus was better.
And they can implement the mind control focus points anytime now.
I bought into the rest of this stuff, so it is what it is.
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
Listen.
When those of you on the list have nice
- Original Message -
From: AlunFoto
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
Rob has a very salient point, though. To him the fence is a defence of
his investment in glass. That's valid for more people than him!
Well yes, this is my point as well. Do I want to sell the 4
- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
2. Since I'd like to have it, I'm sure there are all kinds of
technological reasons it can't be done, but I'd like to see a Pentax DSLR
with interchangeable viewfinders like the LX. I really
- Original Message -
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Mmmm, Skippy ;-P...
Kangaroo and peanut butter - two great tastes that go great together.
Yup, a roopoo sandwich.
Beats Vegemite any day.
William Robb
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I find your attitude refreshing. :-)
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
2. Since I'd like to have it, I'm sure there are all kinds of
technological reasons
- Original Message -
From: m...@robertstech.com
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
I'm not that familiar with the Canon line-up so this may not be a
valid comparison, but a couple of weeks ago I tried out one of my
students' Canon Rebel T1i (EOS 500D) and the low
On 25/2/10, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
And guess what? The grass IS greener.
BOBW, and I don't mean Bob W !!!
http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/a85ineos.html
*sigh*
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2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And how is you're referring to legitimate opinions and complaints as
bitching and suggesting that list members that post such just go away,
find another camera
On 25/2/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed:
We have other
canikony shooters here. on that note, Dave, Cotty, Mark and whoever
you are: GO AWAY!
I cannot tell a lie - it is not me!
I have no more Canon gear - sold it all a year ago.
I'm not in the market for a still camera (we have the
And guess what? The grass IS greener.
BOBW, and I don't mean Bob W !!!
http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/a85ineos.html
*sigh*
The code name for the mac when they were developing it for intel was BOBW.
Bob W
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On 25/2/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
The code name for the mac when they were developing it for intel was BOBW.
Never knew that. You have a lot to answer for!!!
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Try turning down the default saturation.
On 26/02/2010, at 2:11 AM, David Savage wrote:
Find another camera maker, then.
I did.
And guess what? The grass IS greener.
DS
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On 2/25/2010 12:39 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: m...@robertstech.com
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
I'm not that familiar with the Canon line-up so this may not be a
valid comparison, but a couple of weeks ago I tried out one of my
students
Unclean abomination of miscegenation!
On 2/25/2010 4:12 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 25/2/10, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
And guess what? The grass IS greener.
BOBW, and I don't mean Bob W !!!
http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/a85ineos.html
*sigh*
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On 26 February 2010 05:17, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/25 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Words typically reveal the person. How would you suggest that I
separate YOU from what you SAY?
And how is you're referring to legitimate opinions and complaints as
bitching and suggesting that
On 25 February 2010 23:30, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: On FF and
other must have features
Find another camera maker, then.
I did.
And guess what? The grass IS greener.
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up with some
egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't do it again though - it
kept coming back on me.
Bob
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On 26 February 2010 08:01, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up with some
egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't do it again though - it
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up
with some egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't
do it again
though - it kept coming back on me.
Nice try but, that's a
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message -
From: Bob W p...@web-options.com
Subject: RE: On FF and other must have features
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 08:00:06AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
I find these dismissive comments to be a little less than smart as well.
I've been very good to Pentax over the years regarding supporting their
lens manufacture, being told to go away and stop bitching because I would
like a
Bob W wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up
with some egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't
do it again
though - it kept coming back on me.
Nice try
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:54:03AM -0500, P. J. Alling scripsit:
Won't do any good, can't find a decent Keyboard for love nor money any
more. (I keep searching for and recycling oldies with decent tactile
feel).
These are oldies, but they seem to have a warehouse of them somewhere:
- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
Bob W wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few
On 26/02/2010, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:54:03AM -0500, P. J. Alling scripsit:
Won't do any good, can't find a decent Keyboard for love nor money any
more. (I keep searching for and recycling oldies with decent tactile
feel).
These are oldies, but they
cherry support once told me off record that when they get them back
for cleaning they just put them in the dishwasher - they do have a
special detergent with less acids but he said any mild soap for doing
dishes by hand would do the trick just fine - did it and it work.
caveat, that was early 90s,
From: Graydon
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:54:03AM -0500, P. J. Alling scripsit:
Won't do any good, can't find a decent Keyboard for love nor money any
more. (I keep searching for and recycling oldies with decent tactile
feel).
These are oldies, but they seem to have a warehouse of them
and other must have features
Bob W wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up
with some egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't
do it again
though - it kept coming back
Subject: Re: On FF and other must have features
Bob W wrote:
Piss off little roo eater. ;-)
Hehehe...
Haven't had roo in a few months.
I tried a recipe with it a few weeks ago. Shredded it, mixed it up
with some egg whites and sugar, made a roo meringue. Won't
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:55:49AM +1100, Rob Studdert scripsit:
On 26/02/2010, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:54:03AM -0500, P. J. Alling scripsit:
Won't do any good, can't find a decent Keyboard for love nor money any
more. (I keep searching for and
I think that most photographers would agree that there maybe a dozen
must have features on a camera. I know that I almost never touch
most of the bells and whistles on my K20. The problem that designers
face is that for every person, those dozen features are different.
The problem that
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I think that most photographers would agree that there maybe a dozen must
have features on a camera. snip
I have three must have features:
1) shutter release
2) aperture control
3) focus
The rest is all frippery
cheers,
2010/2/24 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I think that most photographers would agree that there maybe a dozen must
have features on a camera. snip
I have three must have features:
1) shutter release
2) aperture
edit:
2010/2/24 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
2010/2/24 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I think that most photographers would agree that there maybe a dozen must
have features on a camera. snip
I have three must
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:32 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/24 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I think that most photographers would agree that there maybe a dozen must
have features on a camera.
On 2/24/2010 8:28 AM, frank theriault wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote:
I think that most photographers would agree that there maybe a dozen must
have features on a camera.snip
I have three must have features:
1) shutter release
2) aperture
Personally, I need a decent viewfinder, decent AF on the centre point,
good high ISO quality, good metering and compact size. The K-x has the
first 3 (I'm amazed at the high ISO quality, it's closer to D700 than
D300) but is still lacking on metering.
If Pentax did nothing but put the K-x's
On 25/02/2010, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
Personally, I need a decent viewfinder, decent AF on the centre point,
good high ISO quality, good metering and compact size. The K-x has the
first 3 (I'm amazed at the high ISO quality, it's closer to D700 than
D300) but is still lacking on
On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 25/02/2010, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
Personally, I need a decent viewfinder, decent AF on the centre point,
good high ISO quality, good metering and compact size. The K-x has the
first 3 (I'm amazed at the high ISO quality, it's closer
On 25/02/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
The K7 high iSO performance is decent -- at least a stop better than the
K20D. It's quite acceptable at 6400 and darn good at 3200. And it's metering
is apparently far better than the Kx. That counts for a lot at high ISO.
Paul I
On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 25/02/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
The K7 high iSO performance is decent -- at least a stop better than the
K20D. It's quite acceptable at 6400 and darn good at 3200. And it's metering
is apparently far better
Since I didn't buy the K20D at the beginning of it's life cycle, but
near the end, I didn't pay a lot more for it than a K-x is going for
right now. So I guess I don't feel particularly stupid for making the
purchase. I also didn't trade up from a K10D so the improvement in
capability was
On 25/02/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
And I admire your enthusiasm for the KX. But the K7 isn't the K20D, so your
reasoning doesn't make much sense. I think the camera deserves a fair
appraisal. Your evaluation, which is apparently based only on hearsay,
doesn't meet
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:00 PM, paul stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
The K7 high iSO performance is decent -- at least a stop better than the
K20D. It's quite acceptable at 6400 and darn good at 3200. And it's metering
is apparently far better than the Kx. That counts for a lot at
On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:00 PM, paul stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
The K7 high iSO performance is decent -- at least a stop better than the
K20D. It's quite acceptable at 6400 and darn good at 3200. And it's metering
is
I concur with Paul on this. To put it bluntly and unscientifically,
the metering and exposure control on a K20D (and assumed K10D), is far
behind a K-7.
I'm not sure I'd give a friend a K10D or my used K20D.
This is the curse of the digital age. Is giving a friend, a camera
you despise a favor
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