Re: I toot just toot won toot toot !?
Kenneth Waller wrote: Congratulations Francis !!! Feels great doesn't it. Looks pretty nice to me. What were the entry requirements regarding the images? Yachting in general or?? They were quite loose, basically anything that a sailor might see while he's on the water. Cheers, Francis ( http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=211 ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: I toot just toot won toot toot !? / by buy for now
Thanks every one! I'm un-subscribing for a bit while I'm travailing (just so you know I'm not ignoring you on purpose). Have a great time while I'm gone (and get over with all the K10d talk so when I come back I won't feel so under privileged. :-) Cheers, Francis www.islandlight.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
A little *ist D statistics
Hello All Since I am soon to receive my K10D, which will partly replace my *ist D, I guess a little statistics is in it's place. I had it for 29 months. I did 45000 shots I paid app.. 1180 USD incl. CF-cards, for it. That's the total cost - just about. That's in average 52 shots every day. Each shot cost me 0,4 USD or 4.4 cents That's 2.3 USD every day. Something like 5 cigarettes every day (Danish price level). I don't smoke BTW. If I had used film and my MZ-S this figuring would have been very different: I would have taken only 33 % of the number of shots = 15.000 shots I would have been able to use the camera for 29 more months before it got obsolete, reducing the cost of the camera to 50%. I would have used 417 films at a total cost of app. 6000 USD Each shot would have cost me app. 0.5 USD, which is about 10 times the cost of a digital shot ! In total I would have spent app. 7000 USD. About selling photographs: I believe the *ist D did pay for itself - a couple of times actually, during it's 29 months of hard labour. If I had used film I would have lost money - I guess I would have spent perhaps 3000-4000 USD, that no one but me, would have had to pay. No wonder digtal cameras are so popular. Soon I will (almost) retire the *ist D. It will serve as a back-up body - or my wide angle body, when ever I use two bodies simultaneously - one wide angle lens and one tele lens. The final economics of the K10D will no doubt be even better than described above, since the camera is less expensive and more ressourcefull (67% more pixels in each shot and Shake Reduction will probably mean, that I will sell more photographs). The only REAL BIG DOWNSIDE: I will certainly miss TTL-flash!!! Regards Jens -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 01/19/2007 16:46 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Development: Was - Unemployed
Thanks to all who commented. It really was just a grab shot - but then again I always try and make at least one camera reachable. Lighting and furniture compliments of this New York style apartment*. It a beautiful but truly child unfriendly place. Cheers, Simon * http://www.thebiscuitfactory.com.au/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rg2 Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 3:11 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Development: Was - Unemployed so cute! i love the composition of the second one rg2 - Original Message - From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Development: Was - Unemployed Rg2 said every development, every new experience they have, I get to see. Like not having to be strapped in a chair anymore... http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_07.html ...and is he happy about it! http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_06.html Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rg2 Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 8:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Unemployed Scott: I hope you enjoy being a stay at home parent. It is both rewarding and can cause several types of insanity. I am currently on maternity leave, with a 4 year son and a newborn daughter. It is rewarding because every moment, every development, every new experience they have, I get to see. It is also causing me to crave adult companionship and so I turned to this list - and then turned back to watching Blue's Clues with my son. I think he is more mature than some of the grumpy old men on this list :o) I take tons of pictures and show them to my husband when he gets home, who largely misses out on all the great moments. I will be looking forward to more great kid photos. What ages are your daughters? - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Unemployed Christie asked me yesterday if I was going to tell you guys about this. Since I spend more time reading the list than actually talking to my real family I figured I would. I quit my job. Christie is going to start working full-time and I'm going to stay home with the girls. After crunching the numbers a bit, we found that we'd be better off financially, plus I'll be home every evening (first time in four years). So yeah, I'm gonna be a stay-at-home-dad. I've read that Mr. Mom isn't received well by most stay-at-home-dads, but I don't care if anyone calls me that. I've been called worse and gotten over it rather quickly. Brace yourselves. I'm sure there are lots and lots of photos of my kids coming to the list very, very soon. And if you're anything like me, there's nothing you like better than looking at photos of other people's kids. :) -- Scott (Mr. Mom) Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
money shot: Was - Development: and before that Was - Unemployed
Hi Mark, That's a money shot if ever I saw one! Thanks, but I've always taken the money shot to be used in a rather more nefarious context (what can I say, I was young, I needed the money... ). :-) Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 6:14 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Development: Was - Unemployed Cotty wrote: Like not having to be strapped in a chair anymore... http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_07.html FABULOUS shot! As disconcerting as it may be to agree with Cotty g, I have to admit I do so 100% in this case. That's a money shot if ever I saw one! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: I toot just toot won toot toot !?
On 21/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: I really like the shot too, sorry. :-). What did you do, climb out on that pole thing? Don't talk about Sylwek like that ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Development: Was - Unemployed
On 20/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Or perhaps if you just like that sort of thing. (Had to say it before Cotty did...) Not so much like...more a 'need' ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Music and Portraits
On 20/1/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: BBC seems fascinated with America. Fascinated with the world mate ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2007 - 03 - GDG
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/03.htm Cable release or wireless remote? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Anyone heard from our friends in the Northern Europe?
On 21/1/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Thanks Cotty. So would you be the serious weather man or the goofy anchor side kick type? If I get the lottery win, I think it would be a close-run thing to go get a degree in either Meteorology or Biology. Hey, how about both. Otherwise, when I retire. To answer your question, I think a bit of humour is essential in presentation. Goofy doesn't command respect, and serious is boring. There's a nice balance to be found juggling the highs and lows The media here was talking up how powerful devastating it was. It's not like the media to overstate something is it? :-) Jade Goody made bigger headlines. I've seen worse weather here. And we've all seen much worse - devastating - on a regular basis in large oft-ignored parts of the world. We have no right to complain. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Music and Portraits
America IS the world. Everywhere else is just tectonic plates with lumps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 7:54 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Music and Portraits On 20/1/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: BBC seems fascinated with America. Fascinated with the world mate ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Music and Portraits
Hey Cotty, Find the time, and do it now. Time as a way of slipping... BTW, if you get a chance try and have a look at the doc - it's remarkable, and most likely quite salient to plenty here. Will do. Do you get a nod in the credits? Simon On 1/21/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just finished watching a fabulous BBC documentary on the LA music scene from the 60s and 70s - http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/music/features/hotel-california.shtml and one slightly surprising byproduct for me personally was seeing some wonderful monochrome portraits - so much so that it has inspired me to try and do some more portrait work (of course, using the venerable A*85 to keep it on topic). I haven't gotten my teeth into anything decent - photographically speaking - for a long time, what with house moving and work and such. I think I might be on the verge of something big (as the bishop said to the actress). BTW, if you get a chance try and have a look at the doc - it's remarkable, and most likely quite salient to plenty here. Time for some Neil Young. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Music and Portraits
On 21/1/07, Simon King, discombobulated, unleashed: Will do. Do you get a nod in the credits? Sadly not. It's been 27 years since I worked for Auntie. I couldn't afford the drop in pay ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wales redux
Hi Mark, http://www.robertstech.com/wales.htm interesting and encouraging to plan a trip to Wales. Nos 16, 17 and 21 are my favorites. Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Macro stand setup
- Original Message - From: Mark Cassino Subject: Re: Macro stand setup William Robb wrote: It's a bit overkill, but an enlarger chassis makes a great copy stand, and should be fairly inexpensive. Very interesting. I've always wanted a copy stand but it's never made it to the top of the purchase list. But I do have a Bessler enlarger and stand sitting int he basement getting dusty. Thanks for pointing that out. You'll probably find that if you remove the head from the chassis, you can mount a tripod head to it (3/8x20). Some carful levelling and you are on your way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: A little *ist D statistics
Small error: Cost pr image done with *ist D is of course only 0.04 USD. Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. januar 2007 09:26 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: A little *ist D statistics Hello All Since I am soon to receive my K10D, which will partly replace my *ist D, I guess a little statistics is in it's place. I had it for 29 months. I did 45000 shots I paid app.. 1180 USD incl. CF-cards, for it. That's the total cost - just about. That's in average 52 shots every day. Each shot cost me 0,4 USD or 4.4 cents That's 2.3 USD every day. Something like 5 cigarettes every day (Danish price level). I don't smoke BTW. If I had used film and my MZ-S this figuring would have been very different: I would have taken only 33 % of the number of shots = 15.000 shots I would have been able to use the camera for 29 more months before it got obsolete, reducing the cost of the camera to 50%. I would have used 417 films at a total cost of app. 6000 USD Each shot would have cost me app. 0.5 USD, which is about 10 times the cost of a digital shot ! In total I would have spent app. 7000 USD. About selling photographs: I believe the *ist D did pay for itself - a couple of times actually, during it's 29 months of hard labour. If I had used film I would have lost money - I guess I would have spent perhaps 3000-4000 USD, that no one but me, would have had to pay. No wonder digtal cameras are so popular. Soon I will (almost) retire the *ist D. It will serve as a back-up body - or my wide angle body, when ever I use two bodies simultaneously - one wide angle lens and one tele lens. The final economics of the K10D will no doubt be even better than described above, since the camera is less expensive and more ressourcefull (67% more pixels in each shot and Shake Reduction will probably mean, that I will sell more photographs). The only REAL BIG DOWNSIDE: I will certainly miss TTL-flash!!! Regards Jens -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 01/19/2007 16:46 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Does someone know how Shel is doing?
Subject line says it all. He has been absent for a week. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Repose
Don't get any ideas, but this is art. Do you mind if I steal it for my computer desktop? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J and K Messervy Sent: 21. januar 2007 04:47 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Repose Since upgrading my K10D's firmware with the unofficial version on Friday evening, I've been experimenting with wireless flash. This shot had the AF540 on a high shelf above and to the right of shot, firing into the cornice for bounce. I used the built in flash for very subtle fill. Converted to BW in PS CS2 using the LAB lightness channel and softened in Photoshop also. Comment and critique would be appreciated. http://tinyurl.com/2k6wjy Cheers James M -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
Bob W, You know AreTists, they are never bounded by measurements. :-) While you or I were taking hard sciences and math, they were taking...??? I have a quote from Lord Kelvin in my office. To paraphrase it: If you can't measure a thing, if you haven't put numbers to it, your knowledge of it is weak and pitiful. It used to drive the 'focus group' researchers crazy. :-) Regards, Bob S. On 1/20/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is that how one defines an artist, then? Inconsistency in measurement? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 20 January 2007 21:09 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations Anybody else notice, he says cut off TWO INCHES, TWO INCHES, and then measures 2 inches on one side and 1 inch on the other. He is definitely an artist, not an engineer! Regards, Bob S. On 1/20/07, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter and Boris the link for the self made flash diffuser is http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/ greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Lacus Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations David, http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16300full=1 Please comment on the quality of light as I still want to learn more about this light billiard I've been playing yesterday with the diffuser and the flash. Nothing wrong with the lighting of that shot. The subject on the other hand... actually he is doing pretty well after being _shot_, IMHO. ;-) Boris, I think the lighting is as good as it gets from just one light source and I am very interested in the whole setup (I must have missed the original video and as I have a 220S, if potentially might work for me I hope). Does it also work with vertical orientation? Also please share your opinions about 31Ltd., being accustomed to shoot with fast 50s on film this might be way to go for me on a DSLR. And the last but not least congratulations to your anniversary. :-) Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Does someone know how Shel is doing?
As much as I know: He returned home two evenings ago and was feeling a little weak but otherwise ok. We exchanged emails the following morning. G On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Subject line says it all. He has been absent for a week. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations Bob W, You know AreTists, they are never bounded by measurements. :-) While you or I were taking hard sciences and math, they were taking...??? I have a quote from Lord Kelvin in my office. To paraphrase it: If you can't measure a thing, if you haven't put numbers to it, your knowledge of it is weak and pitiful. It used to drive the 'focus group' researchers crazy. :-) I pity those who need rulers and mathmatics to measure the worth of things. They tend to have stunted imaginations. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
Oh yeah, from the guy who like a musician with 'perfect pitch', can color calibrate photo processing machines from memory. You may be an artist, but tell me again you don't measure anything. :-) Regards, Bob S. On 1/21/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations Bob W, You know AreTists, they are never bounded by measurements. :-) While you or I were taking hard sciences and math, they were taking...??? I have a quote from Lord Kelvin in my office. To paraphrase it: If you can't measure a thing, if you haven't put numbers to it, your knowledge of it is weak and pitiful. It used to drive the 'focus group' researchers crazy. :-) I pity those who need rulers and mathmatics to measure the worth of things. They tend to have stunted imaginations. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
I try not to. It gets depressing ;-) Cheers, Dave On 1/21/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be an artist, but tell me again you don't measure anything. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D ordered and paid!
Thanks Godfrey. I doubt it very much. For each face I will have perhaps 200x200 pixel. Most likely less. This Flickr set illustates my point: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ I admit neither of these images are very good, but this is the choise of technolgy I have available today. (Only 6MP camera and only an EPSON 3200 flatbed scanener). And they help payin my bills :-) I still prefere the 6x6 version. Don't you? PS: The scanned image was croped out of a 200x300 mm print version (300ppi) (14 MB). The original scan size is possibly even better. Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Godfrey DiGiorgi Sendt: 21. januar 2007 00:40 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K10D ordered and paid! You'll have no problem. Even 6Mpixel will do that without a problem. G On Jan 20, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Thanks, Godfrey. Regardsless of the print size, the resolution has to be sufficient enough to show each face well in a group of 30 people. IMO 35mm is not good ebough for this - so I normally use 6x6, which is almos good enough (considering my flatbed scanner, an EPSON Perfection 3200 Photo, whic is not really a film scanner. I actually don't do prints (except for exibition og competition), only computer files (jpeg's). The images will be used for the www and for local television. This one wasn done with a Pentacon Six: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Nykoege/images/Byraad-gruppe-20x30-web.jpg Hard to say ... depends on what size print you need to make. 13x19 or 16x20 inch should be no problem. Bigger than that, it depends. I hope to be doing some nice goup shots of the new city council in Koege on January 30th. - in appr. 9 days! For shots like this I'd normally use a 6x6 camera. I hope the K10D can actually compete? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 01/19/2007 16:46 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: One for Annsan
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/one_lane.jpg ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A little *ist D statistics
Jens Bladt wrote: If I had used film and my MZ-S this figuring would have been very different: I would have taken only 33 % of the number of shots = 15.000 shots I would have been able to use the camera for 29 more months before it got obsolete, reducing the cost of the camera to 50%. Jens; I really don't understand your logic here... Obsolete: 1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word b : of a kind or style no longer current : OLD-FASHIONED an obsolete technology The *ist D can still be in use for many years as long as it works properly (exposure, focusing, etc). The only real difference is the MP count (and 6MP WAS enough to sell images) and the AS (you ARE able to make good pictures without it as shown in your *ist D images). The same logic goes for the MZ-S, even more so: As long as it works and film is available it is useful and therefore NOT obsolete. Some of my film cameras were older than me and far from obsolete (they allowed me to produce exactly the same images as a brand new film camera). I guess my real issue is how do you measure a camera's life in months? Unless it just breaks down and the repair cost is too high, it still has useful life. 4 years for a film camera? 2 years for a DSLR? -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: One for Annsan
I'd look, but it's not for me. Cheers, Dave :-) On 1/22/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/one_lane.jpg ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: One for Annsan
On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:06 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/one_lane.jpg Good stuff! G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Macro stand setup
Thanks to everyone for your terrific advice. I've posted infrequently, but I hope to actually post a photo one of these days, when I work up the nerve, and if these macro photos work out, I'll include one of them as part of a first bunch of photos. Thanks again, Micah On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:52 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino Subject: Re: Macro stand setup William Robb wrote: It's a bit overkill, but an enlarger chassis makes a great copy stand, and should be fairly inexpensive. Very interesting. I've always wanted a copy stand but it's never made it to the top of the purchase list. But I do have a Bessler enlarger and stand sitting int he basement getting dusty. Thanks for pointing that out. You'll probably find that if you remove the head from the chassis, you can mount a tripod head to it (3/8x20). Some carful levelling and you are on your way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Does someone know how Shel is doing?
Thank you Godfrey. Good to hear. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 21. januar 2007 15:19 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Does someone know how Shel is doing? As much as I know: He returned home two evenings ago and was feeling a little weak but otherwise ok. We exchanged emails the following morning. G On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Subject line says it all. He has been absent for a week. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Development: Was - Unemployed
Obviously designed and decorated by someone who's never been to New York, (but has visited IKEA). Simon King wrote: Thanks to all who commented. It really was just a grab shot - but then again I always try and make at least one camera reachable. Lighting and furniture compliments of this New York style apartment*. It a beautiful but truly child unfriendly place. Cheers, Simon * http://www.thebiscuitfactory.com.au/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rg2 Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 3:11 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Development: Was - Unemployed so cute! i love the composition of the second one rg2 - Original Message - From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Development: Was - Unemployed Rg2 said every development, every new experience they have, I get to see. Like not having to be strapped in a chair anymore... http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_07.html ...and is he happy about it! http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_06.html Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rg2 Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 8:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Unemployed Scott: I hope you enjoy being a stay at home parent. It is both rewarding and can cause several types of insanity. I am currently on maternity leave, with a 4 year son and a newborn daughter. It is rewarding because every moment, every development, every new experience they have, I get to see. It is also causing me to crave adult companionship and so I turned to this list - and then turned back to watching Blue's Clues with my son. I think he is more mature than some of the grumpy old men on this list :o) I take tons of pictures and show them to my husband when he gets home, who largely misses out on all the great moments. I will be looking forward to more great kid photos. What ages are your daughters? - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Unemployed Christie asked me yesterday if I was going to tell you guys about this. Since I spend more time reading the list than actually talking to my real family I figured I would. I quit my job. Christie is going to start working full-time and I'm going to stay home with the girls. After crunching the numbers a bit, we found that we'd be better off financially, plus I'll be home every evening (first time in four years). So yeah, I'm gonna be a stay-at-home-dad. I've read that Mr. Mom isn't received well by most stay-at-home-dads, but I don't care if anyone calls me that. I've been called worse and gotten over it rather quickly. Brace yourselves. I'm sure there are lots and lots of photos of my kids coming to the list very, very soon. And if you're anything like me, there's nothing you like better than looking at photos of other people's kids. :) -- Scott (Mr. Mom) Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: One for Annsan
Gee, I wonder what made you think of me? :) ann Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/one_lane.jpg ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Help! R2400 printing problem persists
I've checked all the variables numerous times, and to the best of my knowledge, they're correct. The color space of both the file and the working space is correct. I reinstalled the Epson print drivers. Still no luck. Here are my settings (PhotoShop CS): Settings: U.S. Prepress Defaults RGB Working Space: Adobe RGB (1998) Gray: Dot Gain 20% Spot: Dog Gain 20% Color Management Policies RGB Preserve Embedded Profiles Use black point compensation is checked Use Dither (8-bit per channel images) is checked Image Colorspace: Adobe RGB (1998) Print with Preview: Source Space: Document is checked, and ithe indication is Document: Adobe RGB (1998 Pring Space: Profile: Same as source In the print Box The preset is Premium Lustre. If I look under print settings, I see Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster (that's the paper I'm using). The mode is advanced. The print quality is Photo RPM and Finest Detail is checked. Scrolling to Color Management, I see it's set to off. I'm going to try again, changing Print Space in the Print with Preview box to Adobe 98 rather than same as source. I'll set intent to relative colorimetric. But I'd appreciate any feedback on the above settings. If I can't get anywhere, I'm going to change all the ink cartridges. Thanks for any help. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Help! R2400 printing problem persists
Paul, Your Photoshop color settings look fine. I don't have CS on my system anymore so I can't check the print settings in Print with Preview precisely, I don't remember all the differences between CS and CS2. This page shows how I make the settings for the Epson R2400 with CS2 ... note that this example has an sRGB profile embedded, normally it would be Adobe RGB (1998). http://homepage.mac.com/godders/R2400-CS2-print/ I would run the Epson Printer Utility and do a test and calibrate print, see how they come out. You might have a tank gone bad or something like that. Godfrey On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I've checked all the variables numerous times, and to the best of my knowledge, they're correct. The color space of both the file and the working space is correct. I reinstalled the Epson print drivers. Still no luck. Here are my settings (PhotoShop CS): Settings: U.S. Prepress Defaults RGB Working Space: Adobe RGB (1998) Gray: Dot Gain 20% Spot: Dog Gain 20% Color Management Policies RGB Preserve Embedded Profiles Use black point compensation is checked Use Dither (8-bit per channel images) is checked Image Colorspace: Adobe RGB (1998) Print with Preview: Source Space: Document is checked, and ithe indication is Document: Adobe RGB (1998 Pring Space: Profile: Same as source In the print Box The preset is Premium Lustre. If I look under print settings, I see Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster (that's the paper I'm using). The mode is advanced. The print quality is Photo RPM and Finest Detail is checked. Scrolling to Color Management, I see it's set to off. I'm going to try again, changing Print Space in the Print with Preview box to Adobe 98 rather than same as source. I'll set intent to relative colorimetric. But I'd appreciate any feedback on the above settings. If I can't get anywhere, I'm going to change all the ink cartridges. Thanks for any help. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: A little *ist D statistics
52 shots avg. per DAY for 29 months? Thats a quite extreme a bit of shooting isnt it? Are you an everyday pro and what are you shooting that much OF? How do you even find time to shoot let alone post process that much photos for that long a time? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Bladt Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:55 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: A little *ist D statistics Small error: Cost pr image done with *ist D is of course only 0.04 USD. Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. januar 2007 09:26 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: A little *ist D statistics Hello All Since I am soon to receive my K10D, which will partly replace my *ist D, I guess a little statistics is in it's place. I had it for 29 months. I did 45000 shots I paid app.. 1180 USD incl. CF-cards, for it. That's the total cost - just about. That's in average 52 shots every day. Each shot cost me 0,4 USD or 4.4 cents That's 2.3 USD every day. Something like 5 cigarettes every day (Danish price level). I don't smoke BTW. If I had used film and my MZ-S this figuring would have been very different: I would have taken only 33 % of the number of shots = 15.000 shots I would have been able to use the camera for 29 more months before it got obsolete, reducing the cost of the camera to 50%. I would have used 417 films at a total cost of app. 6000 USD Each shot would have cost me app. 0.5 USD, which is about 10 times the cost of a digital shot ! In total I would have spent app. 7000 USD. About selling photographs: I believe the *ist D did pay for itself - a couple of times actually, during it's 29 months of hard labour. If I had used film I would have lost money - I guess I would have spent perhaps 3000-4000 USD, that no one but me, would have had to pay. No wonder digtal cameras are so popular. Soon I will (almost) retire the *ist D. It will serve as a back-up body - or my wide angle body, when ever I use two bodies simultaneously - one wide angle lens and one tele lens. The final economics of the K10D will no doubt be even better than described above, since the camera is less expensive and more ressourcefull (67% more pixels in each shot and Shake Reduction will probably mean, that I will sell more photographs). The only REAL BIG DOWNSIDE: I will certainly miss TTL-flash!!! Regards Jens -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 01/19/2007 16:46 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Help! R2400 printing problem persists
Something I always un-check is the High Speed box found on the Advanced printing panel. (R1800) Didn't do so once and the results were disappointing. This is free!! Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked all the variables numerous times, and to the best of my knowledge, they're correct. The color space of both the file and the working space is correct. I reinstalled the Epson print drivers. Still no luck. Here are my settings (PhotoShop CS): Settings: U.S. Prepress Defaults RGB Working Space: Adobe RGB (1998) Gray: Dot Gain 20% Spot: Dog Gain 20% Color Management Policies RGB Preserve Embedded Profiles Use black point compensation is checked Use Dither (8-bit per channel images) is checked Image Colorspace: Adobe RGB (1998) Print with Preview: Source Space: Document is checked, and ithe indication is Document: Adobe RGB (1998 Pring Space: Profile: Same as source In the print Box The preset is Premium Lustre. If I look under print settings, I see Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster (that's the paper I'm using). The mode is advanced. The print quality is Photo RPM and Finest Detail is checked. Scrolling to Color Management, I see it's set to off. I'm going to try again, changing Print Space in the Print with Preview box to Adobe 98 rather than same as source. I'll set intent to relative colorimetric. But I'd appreciate any feedback on the above settings. If I can't get anywhere, I'm going to change all the ink cartridges. Thanks for any help. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Help! R2400 printing problem persists
I haven't found this to make much difference on the R2400. I've run tests on the same print and the difference is only noticeable with very high frequency, A3 Super sized prints. G On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Something I always un-check is the High Speed box found on the Advanced printing panel. (R1800) Didn't do so once and the results were disappointing. This is free!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE:Subject: OT: Help! R2400 printing problem persists
Hello Paul, I've checked all the variables numerous times, and to the best of my knowledge, they're correct. The color space of both the file and the working space is correct. I reinstalled the Epson print drivers. Still no luck. Here are my settings (PhotoShop CS): Try the printer out on different computers. -- Best regards, Fisomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Another PESO from Florida
I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg K10D, 77 Ltd, ISO 400 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
Mark, Methinks it needs a wider tonal range. Rick --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg K10D, 77 Ltd, ISO 400 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
Bob W, You know AreTists, they are never bounded by measurements. :-) While you or I were taking hard sciences and math, they were taking...??? I have a quote from Lord Kelvin in my office. To paraphrase it: If you can't measure a thing, if you haven't put numbers to it, your knowledge of it is weak and pitiful. It used to drive the 'focus group' researchers crazy. :-) I pity those who need rulers and mathmatics to measure the worth of things. They tend to have stunted imaginations. yes, but on the other hand anything that drives focus group types, marketeers and brand consultants crazy can only be good. I'm reminded of a marketeer at work recently who introduced us to the idea of making our very boring financial services company into a 'love brand'. Marketeer puts a quadrant on the whiteboard with one axis showing a spectrum from rational to love, and explains a lot of fluffy brand nonsense, with examples of different companies in different parts of the quadrant, and tells us we want our customers to love us. Engineering type: ok, where would you put Microsoft and Apple in that? Marketeer puts MS in the rational box, Apple in the love box. Engineering type: which would you rather be? End of presentation as everybody realises they'd much rather make a ton of money than be loved. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: One for Annsan
Put a smile on my face - well named. -- Bruce Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:06:48 AM, you wrote: MR http://www.robertstech.com/temp/one_lane.jpg MR ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 21 January 2007 13:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations Bob W, You know AreTists, they are never bounded by measurements. :-) While you or I were taking hard sciences and math, they were taking...??? well, as a matter of fact I dropped all sciences as soon as I could at school - aged 13 - in favour of languages. I only took maths because I had no choice, and I failed my O-level (exam at age 15) once before scraping through the 2nd time. I was in my 30s before I overcame my priest-induced maths phobia, but I now have a postgrad qualification (with merit!) in discrete mathematics. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg K10D, 77 Ltd, ISO 400 I like it, but it's a little dark overall. Also, a high frequency image like that needs SIZE to work well ... it is too small in this web-size rendering. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
Could also stand a not so tightly cropped view perhaps. -- Bruce Sunday, January 21, 2007, 9:54:29 AM, you wrote: RW Mark, RW Methinks it needs a wider tonal range. RW Rick RW --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg K10D, 77 Ltd, ISO 400 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net RW http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW RW RW Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. RW Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. RW http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Anyone heard from our friends in the Northern Europe?
You mean like standing under the snow machine at a ski resort and talking about the blizzard that is hitting the area? Let's see, I think I still have my photo of the aftermath somewhere Yes, here it is: http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/_images/Misc/Blizzard-of-05.jpg David Savage wrote: The media here was talking up how powerful devastating it was. It's not like the media to overstate something is it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO--Christmas lights
A bit late, perhaps, but anyway: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5458277 This is a photo of the same picturesque porch in Westchester NY that was the subject of an autumn PESO: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5242404 ist D, DA 16-45, ISO 3200, f/4 @ 1/20, RAW via ACR and PE4. Comments appreciated. Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Film vs. Digital - not a religion
To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
Half of your examples are grossly underexposed. I'm guessing those are the digital samples. That makes the comparison irrelevant, because underexposure causes image degradation. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: Film vs. Digital - not a religion To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ The luminous landscape article does something thing I disagree with, which is to compare scanned film to a digital capture. As soon as that is done, you are no longer comparing digital to film. I don't care what sort of scanner it is, you are now making a comparison of a first generation image to a third generation image. The sad fact of life is that if you want to pull the best you can from film, you need to print it optically. For the application you are discussing, I would still use MF film and scan (Ya I know, but try to get an optical print done these days), rather than a small format digital. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Help! R2400 printing problem persists
I will try the test print. I'm also going to try printing with colorsynch. But I'm beginning to suspect it's a printer problem. Good thing I still have the box. I've finished printing my wedding pics and was assembling the book yesterday. I want to reprint one or two shots. I was trying to do that when the printer failed. I think I'll just complete the book and tell the bride that I'll replace two pages later. It's in a binder that allows for page removal. I don't think she wants to wait another couple of weeks. Bad timing for an equipment failure. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Paul, Your Photoshop color settings look fine. I don't have CS on my system anymore so I can't check the print settings in Print with Preview precisely, I don't remember all the differences between CS and CS2. This page shows how I make the settings for the Epson R2400 with CS2 ... note that this example has an sRGB profile embedded, normally it would be Adobe RGB (1998). http://homepage.mac.com/godders/R2400-CS2-print/ I would run the Epson Printer Utility and do a test and calibrate print, see how they come out. You might have a tank gone bad or something like that. Godfrey On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I've checked all the variables numerous times, and to the best of my knowledge, they're correct. The color space of both the file and the working space is correct. I reinstalled the Epson print drivers. Still no luck. Here are my settings (PhotoShop CS): Settings: U.S. Prepress Defaults RGB Working Space: Adobe RGB (1998) Gray: Dot Gain 20% Spot: Dog Gain 20% Color Management Policies RGB Preserve Embedded Profiles Use black point compensation is checked Use Dither (8-bit per channel images) is checked Image Colorspace: Adobe RGB (1998) Print with Preview: Source Space: Document is checked, and ithe indication is Document: Adobe RGB (1998 Pring Space: Profile: Same as source In the print Box The preset is Premium Lustre. If I look under print settings, I see Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster (that's the paper I'm using). The mode is advanced. The print quality is Photo RPM and Finest Detail is checked. Scrolling to Color Management, I see it's set to off. I'm going to try again, changing Print Space in the Print with Preview box to Adobe 98 rather than same as source. I'll set intent to relative colorimetric. But I'd appreciate any feedback on the above settings. If I can't get anywhere, I'm going to change all the ink cartridges. Thanks for any help. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO--Christmas lights
A different and pleasing interpretation of the subject. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Rick Womer wrote: A bit late, perhaps, but anyway: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5458277 This is a photo of the same picturesque porch in Westchester NY that was the subject of an autumn PESO: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5242404 ist D, DA 16-45, ISO 3200, f/4 @ 1/20, RAW via ACR and PE4. Comments appreciated. Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ __ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
I respect your depth of knowledge in regard to optical printing, but I have to say I've never seen an optical print that resolved as much detail as a superb scan. Of course most scans are not superb, and most optical prints are not perfectly executed. This, of course, makes the comparison difficult. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 2:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: Film vs. Digital - not a religion To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ The luminous landscape article does something thing I disagree with, which is to compare scanned film to a digital capture. As soon as that is done, you are no longer comparing digital to film. I don't care what sort of scanner it is, you are now making a comparison of a first generation image to a third generation image. The sad fact of life is that if you want to pull the best you can from film, you need to print it optically. For the application you are discussing, I would still use MF film and scan (Ya I know, but try to get an optical print done these days), rather than a small format digital. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
To start with, he's comparing the scanners capabilities to the direct digital capture more than the actual image on the film. I think I could easily skew a test into the 6x7 column by shooting a nice fine ISO 100 BW film and printing in a darkroom say an 11x14 print on a good paper with a nice Rodenstock lens @ say f8.0 and comparing it to a BW conversion of the 1Ds output printed on say an Epson 2200. I'm betting the Wet print wins hands down, for detail at least. You can say it's not a fair comparison, but neither is his test. I'm not talking religion here either. Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
I completely agree. I've compared a number of images which were pro lab scanned and LightJet printed to prints which had been previously pro lab optically printed. In each case, the scanned image carried more fine detail. Didn't always require a loupe to determine either. Difference was great enough that I re-framed a few. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I respect your depth of knowledge in regard to optical printing, but I have to say I've never seen an optical print that resolved as much detail as a superb scan. Of course most scans are not superb, and most optical prints are not perfectly executed. This, of course, makes the comparison difficult. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 2:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: Film vs. Digital - not a religion To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ The luminous landscape article does something thing I disagree with, which is to compare scanned film to a digital capture. As soon as that is done, you are no longer comparing digital to film. I don't care what sort of scanner it is, you are now making a comparison of a first generation image to a third generation image. The sad fact of life is that if you want to pull the best you can from film, you need to print it optically. For the application you are discussing, I would still use MF film and scan (Ya I know, but try to get an optical print done these days), rather than a small format digital. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Repose
I've got no problem with that mate. James - Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:37 AM Subject: RE: PESO - Repose Don't get any ideas, but this is art. Do you mind if I steal it for my computer desktop? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J and K Messervy Sent: 21. januar 2007 04:47 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Repose Since upgrading my K10D's firmware with the unofficial version on Friday evening, I've been experimenting with wireless flash. This shot had the AF540 on a high shelf above and to the right of shot, firing into the cornice for bounce. I used the built in flash for very subtle fill. Converted to BW in PS CS2 using the LAB lightness channel and softened in Photoshop also. Comment and critique would be appreciated. http://tinyurl.com/2k6wjy Cheers James M -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: See Ya - This is Crazy
It's why JCO should be kicked off... and why, while the list should not be moderated, that there should be, at times, judicial use of cutting someone off. Tom C. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: See Ya - This is Crazy Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:58:49 +0900 Wimp! :-) Dave On 1/21/07, W. Guy Finley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RE: PISS OFF JCO: Camera sold,but worries remain (yet another eBayquestion) I like the digest format, helps me sort through the vast messages on this list. I know I could go to individual emails and filter out children but I don't want the hassle of sorting through all the messages so this relatively new member is going to say adios. It's really sad, there's some good folks providing good resources on this list but with no moderation to control pure and obvious trolling as well as the out of control OT posts I can't handle this and hope to see some of you helpful folks elsewhere. I'm unsubbing, email me off list if you have thoughts (invitation does not extend to trolls). Best regards, Guy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - What is that?
Thanks for your response. I love kiddos :o) I actually composed that one with a purposeful asymmetry, but I appreciate the feedback. rg2 - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: Re: PESO - What is that? All little ones are darling. I would have liked to see her higher in the frame. -- Bruce Saturday, January 20, 2007, 8:32:09 AM, you wrote: r Hi guys r here's a photo of my daughter Bella inspecting the camera r http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo#5022151190239228594 r comments welcome r rg2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
In stead of arguing this and that; show me your digital group images. Crop out one face covering 5-10% of the frame. Lets see and judging for ourselves. Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 21. januar 2007 20:41 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion To start with, he's comparing the scanners capabilities to the direct digital capture more than the actual image on the film. I think I could easily skew a test into the 6x7 column by shooting a nice fine ISO 100 BW film and printing in a darkroom say an 11x14 print on a good paper with a nice Rodenstock lens @ say f8.0 and comparing it to a BW conversion of the 1Ds output printed on say an Epson 2200. I'm betting the Wet print wins hands down, for detail at least. You can say it's not a fair comparison, but neither is his test. I'm not talking religion here either. Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: GESO: McNaught at the beach
Nice job David. I especially like the 1st and last in column 1. Tom C. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: GESO: McNaught at the beach Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:37:09 +0900 G'day All, While everyone is still in a hating mood, I though I'd post a gallery showing 8 of tonight's efforts: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/index.htm The first 3 were shot using the FA* 80-200 @ 200mm F 1.7x AF Adapter. Images 855, 881 890 with the FA 31mm Ltd. Images 865 873 with the FA 50mm f1.4. I promise that's it. No more comet photos :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
No, not really. Digital images of this sort must be underexposed, in order to avoid burned out highlights, to which thery are more prone than film images. regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Paul Stenquist Sendt: 21. januar 2007 20:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion Half of your examples are grossly underexposed. I'm guessing those are the digital samples. That makes the comparison irrelevant, because underexposure causes image degradation. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
Bob W, Good for you! I love the focus group types, such warm and fuzzy thinking! Most of them don't even recognize the sign. Regards, Bob S. On 1/21/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 21 January 2007 13:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations Bob W, You know AreTists, they are never bounded by measurements. :-) While you or I were taking hard sciences and math, they were taking...??? well, as a matter of fact I dropped all sciences as soon as I could at school - aged 13 - in favour of languages. I only took maths because I had no choice, and I failed my O-level (exam at age 15) once before scraping through the 2nd time. I was in my 30s before I overcame my priest-induced maths phobia, but I now have a postgrad qualification (with merit!) in discrete mathematics. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: test
thanks very much for all the responses everyone. I appreciate your time :o) rg2 - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: test I do. rg2 wrote: if you receive this, please respond and let me know -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
No, not really. That's a digital myth. Underexposure is the enemy of good digital photography On Jan 21, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: No, not really. Digital images of this sort must be underexposed, in order to avoid burned out highlights, to which thery are more prone than film images. regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Paul Stenquist Sendt: 21. januar 2007 20:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion Half of your examples are grossly underexposed. I'm guessing those are the digital samples. That makes the comparison irrelevant, because underexposure causes image degradation. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
where to send the money?
Who has the best deal for a package of K10D, grip, kit lens, and a spare battery? I don't what to pay a bunch of shipping and mark-up, ya know? CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg In terms of the tones, I probably would have done something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=364911524size=o Truth be told, this image doesn't do anything for me. There are too many elements to make it a cohesive. I think you would have done well to get a little closer and take pics of the vines and that huge knot on their own. Those would have likely made for better pics. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Epson R2400 problem
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've already made in the neighborhood of 100 prints with my Epson R2400. I'm using the same setup as described by Godders and others here -- Photoshop is determining color. All the prints matched my monitor perfectly. Until today. Suddenly, from one print to the next, I'm getting dark muddy colors. It alsmost looks like I'm printing with a fill layer over the images. I tried files I had already printed. Same thing. I've done a nozzle clean and check and have restarted both computer and printer. Any ideas or suggestions? Paul, I've no experience with your printer. I would make one suggestion. Try printing a purge page: http://www.inksupply.com/purging.cfm It would be interesting to see what each cartridge puts out individually. I wonder if you have a bum cartridge. Just a thought... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: where to send the money?
BH is among the best on price. And they are absolutely the best on return policy and service. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:04 PM, cbwaters wrote: Who has the best deal for a package of K10D, grip, kit lens, and a spare battery? I don't what to pay a bunch of shipping and mark-up, ya know? CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Epson R2400 problem
Thanks Mark, I'll try that. But I already replaced all of the cartridges. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Mark Dalal wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've already made in the neighborhood of 100 prints with my Epson R2400. I'm using the same setup as described by Godders and others here -- Photoshop is determining color. All the prints matched my monitor perfectly. Until today. Suddenly, from one print to the next, I'm getting dark muddy colors. It alsmost looks like I'm printing with a fill layer over the images. I tried files I had already printed. Same thing. I've done a nozzle clean and check and have restarted both computer and printer. Any ideas or suggestions? Paul, I've no experience with your printer. I would make one suggestion. Try printing a purge page: http://www.inksupply.com/purging.cfm It would be interesting to see what each cartridge puts out individually. I wonder if you have a bum cartridge. Just a thought... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
Bruce Dayton wrote: Could also stand a not so tightly cropped view perhaps. The version on line is slightly cropped from the full image and actually works much better than the uncropped version. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg K10D, 77 Ltd, ISO 400 I like it, but it's a little dark overall. I tried a few brighter renderings, but decided this was the more look I was going for. Also, a high frequency image like that needs SIZE to work well ... it is too small in this web-size rendering. Absolutely. I'm looking forward to doing a big print. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A little *ist D statistics
I hear ya Jens! I have had my DL for about 13 months, and shot ~2400 frames (only 6 shots per day :(, but I guarantee that I could not have afforded to shoot that much film. I never got into photography because I could not afford it, then one day I called a shop that had some DL's on 30% off: DL and lens - $605 two cards - $100 (or $50 as one was a gift) rechargeable batteries - $25 (two sets) all USD total - $730 = .30/shot so my shots cost more than yours :) but I have only had mine for a year, and I only shot a measely 6/day. But the point still remains. And in addition to the cost, I have been able to learn much faster than if I had been using film (yay for instant gratification, and for not having to buy a scanner to post on the web). and even if you didn't have a point, just a bit of trivia, yay for digital! russ On 1/21/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All Since I am soon to receive my K10D, which will partly replace my *ist D, I guess a little statistics is in it's place. I had it for 29 months. I did 45000 shots I paid app.. 1180 USD incl. CF-cards, for it. That's the total cost - just about. That's in average 52 shots every day. Each shot cost me 0,4 USD or 4.4 cents That's 2.3 USD every day. Something like 5 cigarettes every day (Danish price level). I don't smoke BTW. If I had used film and my MZ-S this figuring would have been very different: I would have taken only 33 % of the number of shots = 15.000 shots I would have been able to use the camera for 29 more months before it got obsolete, reducing the cost of the camera to 50%. I would have used 417 films at a total cost of app. 6000 USD Each shot would have cost me app. 0.5 USD, which is about 10 times the cost of a digital shot ! In total I would have spent app. 7000 USD. About selling photographs: I believe the *ist D did pay for itself - a couple of times actually, during it's 29 months of hard labour. If I had used film I would have lost money - I guess I would have spent perhaps 3000-4000 USD, that no one but me, would have had to pay. No wonder digtal cameras are so popular. Soon I will (almost) retire the *ist D. It will serve as a back-up body - or my wide angle body, when ever I use two bodies simultaneously - one wide angle lens and one tele lens. The final economics of the K10D will no doubt be even better than described above, since the camera is less expensive and more ressourcefull (67% more pixels in each shot and Shake Reduction will probably mean, that I will sell more photographs). The only REAL BIG DOWNSIDE: I will certainly miss TTL-flash!!! Regards Jens -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 01/19/2007 16:46 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Music and Portraits
Oops, my error - misread watching for working -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:42 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Music and Portraits On 21/1/07, Simon King, discombobulated, unleashed: Will do. Do you get a nod in the credits? Sadly not. It's been 27 years since I worked for Auntie. I couldn't afford the drop in pay ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Found a new model over Christmas
Happy New Year! I found a new model over Christmas. He adopted my parents, but he was getting under foot- an little orange trip hazard. Cheers Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
My experience is more in line with what WR said. A great optical print beats even a drum scan. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Found a new model over Christmas
Well, let's see him. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Beaker wrote: Happy New Year! I found a new model over Christmas. He adopted my parents, but he was getting under foot- an little orange trip hazard. Cheers Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
On 22/01/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml There are also plenty of tests which prove the contrary too and in each case the difference is small enough to be irrelevant at the end of the day. But from an equipment cost perspective it's probably still better value to shoot MF film and scan than to buy a full frame body. That said my SO recently returned from a business conference with a USB memory stick full of shots from the proceedings. A couple of group shots were made using a Canon 5D and they looked good though the faces didn't show quite the level of detail that I would expect from similar shots made using my Mamiya 7. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
Mark Roberts wrote: I've tried color and b/w versions of this one. Not completely happy with either yet... http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg K10D, 77 Ltd, ISO 400 Hard to say, Mark. I htink I'm getting at what you are trying to convey here - the brooding deep ancient tree with clinging vines - like the true roots of civilizations with ephemera sticks onto it that ultimately becomes part of it. Definitely not an image that works well at web size - which of course means nothing since web size is the equivalent of a 4 x6 at best. I'd probably try to play with the tonal ranges to boost the contrast without blowing out that one patch of sky at the top. Maybe play with the curves tool a bit or create a second layer, lighten it up, and get creative with the blending and transparency. - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: where to send the money?
Cameta has the whole package (this includes the kit lens, which I'm not sure you want) for $1099.95, which isn't a bad deal. I've dealt with Cameta before, as have a couple of friends, and they're not bad in the way of shipping and customer service, although I never had to return anything to them; in that regard, BH is the best, even if they end up being a few dollars more. Good luck, Micah On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:04 PM, cbwaters wrote: Who has the best deal for a package of K10D, grip, kit lens, and a spare battery? I don't what to pay a bunch of shipping and mark-up, ya know? CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
You've stated you are producing a group shot for the web, not for printing. You put a bunch of unexposed, crappily rendered JPEG clips up as comparison to your scanned and sharpened 6x7 clips, at double the size they'll appear compared to the illustration here: This one wasn done with a Pentacon Six: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Nykoege/images/Byraad-gruppe-20x30-web.jpg to say that it won't be good enough. That's just ridiculous, Jens. Learn digital exposure and rendering first. Then complain that it won't be adequate quality if it isn't for the purpose at hand. If I had the time, I would set up a test shot and let you be the judge. I have no photographs of 30 person groups to work with, unfortunately ... They're not something I've had occasion to produce in the past 30 years. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Film vs. Digital - not a religion In stead of arguing this and that; show me your digital group images. Crop out one face covering 5-10% of the frame. Lets see and judging for ourselves. I wouldn't consider shooting a group that large on anything other than medium format, so I can't argue anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
Evan Hanson wrote: My experience is more in line with what WR said. A great optical print beats even a drum scan. I have found just the opposite to be true: I've rarely seen an optical print that can compare to a well-done scan and print. Oh, certainly the *resolution* and fine detail will be better on the optical print (at least at large sizes). But that is, IMO, a very superficial way of evaluating print quality. The control you get from levels and curves adjustment is just an overwhelming advantage for digital output. In fact, my dissatisfaction with optical printing is what got me started into digital image technology long before digital cameras of reasonable quality were available for less than five-figure prices. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
I must admit I haven't done much work to the digital files. I did sharpen them, though, but that didin't help much due the the low resolution. These crops were somthing like 100x100 pixel. That's not a lot, is it? Up rez'ing them wouldn't help either, I'm afriad. More exposure would perhaps have helped a too, but still not enough, I believe. Of cource it's not quite fair comparing af 16-24mm sensor image to a 58x58mm slide. I would certainly not have used 35mm film for a group shot like this either. I will, however, try to make group shots with the K10D, just to see how much difference 66,7% more pixels will actually make. I will, however, certainly bring some Velvia, a 6x6 camera with a Xenotar lens too. Just in case :-) Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Godfrey DiGiorgi Sendt: 21. januar 2007 23:13 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion You've stated you are producing a group shot for the web, not for printing. You put a bunch of unexposed, crappily rendered JPEG clips up as comparison to your scanned and sharpened 6x7 clips, at double the size they'll appear compared to the illustration here: This one wasn done with a Pentacon Six: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Nykoege/images/Byraad-gruppe-20x30-web.jpg to say that it won't be good enough. That's just ridiculous, Jens. Learn digital exposure and rendering first. Then complain that it won't be adequate quality if it isn't for the purpose at hand. If I had the time, I would set up a test shot and let you be the judge. I have no photographs of 30 person groups to work with, unfortunately ... They're not something I've had occasion to produce in the past 30 years. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
I spent a lot of time trying to sort out the whole film vs digital thing. A lot of the things I worked through are on my blog, but this link sums up where I finally wound up: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php?title=stuff_per_pixelmore=1c=1tb=1pb=1 Medium format and certainly large format still excel at capturing scenes that require very high resolution, and still do a better job than digital. But, most folks never shoot stuff that really calls for high resolution, so this is a moot point to them. I don't think a group portrait is a particularly high resolution challenge, unless you need to see individual eyelashes. As a practical example - I'm working today on an entry for an art show, hosted by the local at museum. I've been struggling all day to get a decent 12x18 print of this shot: http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/stream/061201/_IGP0058.htm It was taken with the K10D. There is just gobs of data in that image - branches upon branches upon branches. I've tried various raw interpreters but at the end of the day - the data just was not captured on the sensor, so I get jaggies and a loss of detail in the most intricate parts of the image. On the flip side, the other image that I plan on submitting is a 28 x 23 inch print of this framed out generously and sitting in my dining room: http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/asga/asga00.htm That was taken with a 6x7, 55mm f4, and scanned on a lowly Epson 3200. It was shot on Classic Pan 200. But the detail in the enlargement is outstanding. Here's an actual pixels sample: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/67_504_detail.jpg The detail in the enlargement far exceeds the detail in the shot taken with the K10D. I mean - comparing a 12x18 to a 28x23, the latter has more detail. There is no way I could print the K10D shot at that size and get anything but an artifaced mess. On the flip side - I would never try to take snow crystal shots with the 6x7 - trying to enlarge a 5mm snow crystal up to 6 cm would be almost impossible - just enlarging them to fit an APS sensor will capture all of the availble detail. And I have some excellent 28x28 inch enlargements of snow crystals shot with the *ist-D. So - it all boils down to what tool is right for the job. The folks at luminous landscape defined the job a certain way, and came up with their results. It's useful as a benchmark of where digital is in relation to film - I've been surprised at how much more detail the K0D can capture vs the *ist-D. But it's also a bit of a tautology in that if you know the state of current photographic tools, what is right for the job is obvious. - MCC Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
A couple of woo-hoos
A couple bits of good news came this week. On Thursday I got word from one of stock agents that he had sold one of my snow crystals shots to the Sierra Club, for use in a future holiday greeting card. I knew he was working on it but it was great to see the deal close, and obviously it's an honor to have them buy one of my shots. Over the last year another major US snow crystal photographer has pretty much eaten my lunch at every turn, so I was happy to emerge with one success. And (non-Pentax context) yesterday I got word that one of my Holga shots was accepted into the upcoming Krappy Kamera Contest, hosted by Soho Photo Gallery in NYC. That's a pretty competitive show, so I'm glad ot have gotten in. Common theme - both shots are macros. The snow crystal was taken with the extreme close up rig with the *ist-D. The Holga shot was taken with 3 single element closeup filters strapped to the front of the Holga lens, and a lot of guess work as to where to put the camera (since it's not an SLR system.) - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PESO from Florida
Mark Cassino wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/oldtree.jpg Definitely not an image that works well at web size - which of course means nothing since web size is the equivalent of a 4 x6 at best. I'd probably try to play with the tonal ranges to boost the contrast without blowing out that one patch of sky at the top. Maybe play with the curves tool a bit or create a second layer, lighten it up, and get creative with the blending and transparency. I'm working along these lines. I think there's going to be quite a bit of spot burning/dodging involved in the end, too. Still, I think there's a great large print somewhere in this photo trying to get out. I'm going to see if I can find it :) This one *really* needed a large format camera... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Peso - My own HDR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've a problem with this shot. There is this white glow or whatever is the term just above the roofs of the buildings. Then there is same white artifact around the tree branches on the far left. Could be this is some kind of HDR effect. Yet, it makes this photo look unnatural. Thanks for looking Boris. Yes, it seems many, if not all, HDR shots have this glow around areas of high contrast. It must be related to the merge somehow. The composition is right and I generally like the scene, given the same attitude we have towards snow in Israel ;-). But this HDR thingie - it is still very weird to my eyes. Yes, it is kind of weird, but it can have some interesting applications if applied judiciously. In this case, I was going for more weird than normal. Boris Gonz wrote: Had a nice and rare subject: snow in Texas (not north). Thought I would take advantage of that to give HDR a try: http://www.g0nz.com/picgallery/displayimage.php?album=4pos=0 If you click on the thumbnail version you get the bigger version. For those on slower connections, the big version is about 600K bytes unfortunately, I forgot to lower the quality during the JPG conversion. Thanks for looking, rg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO -- Left all alone.
Sitting in the window of the local coffee shop, you occasionally see a bit of pathos. In this case a dog was left tied to a bench out in the cold while her owners went in for a cup. She stood around disconsolate until they stepped out of the door. http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_almostback.html Pentax *ist-Ds w smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Ltd. -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: where to send the money?
Adorama are good, too. And I can (unfortunately) testify to their satisfactory return exchange service; my first AF-540 was defective (probably damaged in transit - I hate UPS), but I now have an exchange unit where the wide-angle adapter and catchlight reflector slide in and out properly. On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 03:27:06PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote: BH is among the best on price. And they are absolutely the best on return policy and service. Paul On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:04 PM, cbwaters wrote: Who has the best deal for a package of K10D, grip, kit lens, and a spare battery? I don't what to pay a bunch of shipping and mark-up, ya know? CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Hello! (introduction)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Hello! (introduction) You can never have too many lenses. That with or without aperture simulators? I don't differentiate. Do you integrate? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: two more
One from Boulogne: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/7757564 and another one from Liège: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/extra/buddies/display/7752110 Enjoy. Comments and suggestions as always most welcome. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: A couple of woo-hoos
Congratulations Mark. Well deserved I'm sure. It's always gratifying to receive some 'official' recognition. Tom C. From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: A couple of woo-hoos Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:02:36 -0500 A couple bits of good news came this week. On Thursday I got word from one of stock agents that he had sold one of my snow crystals shots to the Sierra Club, for use in a future holiday greeting card. I knew he was working on it but it was great to see the deal close, and obviously it's an honor to have them buy one of my shots. Over the last year another major US snow crystal photographer has pretty much eaten my lunch at every turn, so I was happy to emerge with one success. And (non-Pentax context) yesterday I got word that one of my Holga shots was accepted into the upcoming Krappy Kamera Contest, hosted by Soho Photo Gallery in NYC. That's a pretty competitive show, so I'm glad ot have gotten in. Common theme - both shots are macros. The snow crystal was taken with the extreme close up rig with the *ist-D. The Holga shot was taken with 3 single element closeup filters strapped to the front of the Holga lens, and a lot of guess work as to where to put the camera (since it's not an SLR system.) - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: See Ya - This is Crazy
Maybe he should ask Doug for refund. g On 1/20/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wimp! :-) Dave On 1/21/07, W. Guy Finley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RE: PISS OFF JCO: Camera sold,but worries remain (yet another eBayquestion) I like the digest format, helps me sort through the vast messages on this list. I know I could go to individual emails and filter out children but I don't want the hassle of sorting through all the messages so this relatively new member is going to say adios. It's really sad, there's some good folks providing good resources on this list but with no moderation to control pure and obvious trolling as well as the out of control OT posts I can't handle this and hope to see some of you helpful folks elsewhere. I'm unsubbing, email me off list if you have thoughts (invitation does not extend to trolls). Best regards, Guy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion
As always Mark, you make a great point. On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: I spent a lot of time trying to sort out the whole film vs digital thing. A lot of the things I worked through are on my blog, but this link sums up where I finally wound up: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php? title=stuff_per_pixelmore=1c=1tb=1pb=1 Medium format and certainly large format still excel at capturing scenes that require very high resolution, and still do a better job than digital. But, most folks never shoot stuff that really calls for high resolution, so this is a moot point to them. I don't think a group portrait is a particularly high resolution challenge, unless you need to see individual eyelashes. As a practical example - I'm working today on an entry for an art show, hosted by the local at museum. I've been struggling all day to get a decent 12x18 print of this shot: http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/stream/061201/_IGP0058.htm It was taken with the K10D. There is just gobs of data in that image - branches upon branches upon branches. I've tried various raw interpreters but at the end of the day - the data just was not captured on the sensor, so I get jaggies and a loss of detail in the most intricate parts of the image. On the flip side, the other image that I plan on submitting is a 28 x 23 inch print of this framed out generously and sitting in my dining room: http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/asga/asga00.htm That was taken with a 6x7, 55mm f4, and scanned on a lowly Epson 3200. It was shot on Classic Pan 200. But the detail in the enlargement is outstanding. Here's an actual pixels sample: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/67_504_detail.jpg The detail in the enlargement far exceeds the detail in the shot taken with the K10D. I mean - comparing a 12x18 to a 28x23, the latter has more detail. There is no way I could print the K10D shot at that size and get anything but an artifaced mess. On the flip side - I would never try to take snow crystal shots with the 6x7 - trying to enlarge a 5mm snow crystal up to 6 cm would be almost impossible - just enlarging them to fit an APS sensor will capture all of the availble detail. And I have some excellent 28x28 inch enlargements of snow crystals shot with the *ist-D. So - it all boils down to what tool is right for the job. The folks at luminous landscape defined the job a certain way, and came up with their results. It's useful as a benchmark of where digital is in relation to film - I've been surprised at how much more detail the K0D can capture vs the *ist-D. But it's also a bit of a tautology in that if you know the state of current photographic tools, what is right for the job is obvious. - MCC Jens Bladt wrote: To me this question is not a religion - just at matter of choosing the right gear for the job. Well, I know Luminous Landscape says a Canon 1Ds does better than a scan from a Pentax 6x7. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml But paper is patient. So are HTML-files. But what can we do, really? Have any of you guys done group-portraits with a digital camera - APS or Full Frame? If you have such group portraits, showing 20-30 people, I'd love to see one face croped out of it. A crop showing 5-10% of the total frame area. Just to see if you can do this better than me. So, for staters I made a small comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594491741789/ Comments are most welcome Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 01/20/2007 22:31 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Development: Was - Unemployed
On 1/20/07, Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rg2 said every development, every new experience they have, I get to see. Like not having to be strapped in a chair anymore... http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_07.html ...and is he happy about it! http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/sydney/slides/070119_06.html Simon He certainly looks happy. The first one is very, very good. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Unemployed
On 1/19/07, rg2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott: I hope you enjoy being a stay at home parent. It is both rewarding and can cause several types of insanity. I am currently on maternity leave, with a 4 year son and a newborn daughter. It is rewarding because every moment, every development, every new experience they have, I get to see. It is also causing me to crave adult companionship and so I turned to this list - and then turned back to watching Blue's Clues with my son. I think he is more mature than some of the grumpy old men on this list :o) I take tons of pictures and show them to my husband when he gets home, who largely misses out on all the great moments. I will be looking forward to more great kid photos. What ages are your daughters? Thanks, RG. Much appreciated. Megan will four next month. Molly is about 15 months. The next few months should be interesting. I'll be trying to figure out a semi-educational day plan, all the while fitting in as much photography as possible. They're now models, whether they want to be or not. A roll of seamless is on my short list. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Praising K10D performance even with limitations
Boris Liberman wrote: http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16300full=1 Please comment on the quality of light as I still want to learn more about this light billiard I've been playing yesterday with the diffuser and the flash. Happy anniversary. You could have worn a tie. [8-)))] Interesting that the flash has not completely reduced/overpowered the ambient lighting, leaving a touch of modelling. Just about perfect, as far as I can see. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A couple of woo-hoos
Congratulaitions, Mark. You're snow flake shots are certainly worthy of wider exposure. The Krappy Kamera contest is an even bigger win. I've seen that show. It's excellent Paul Go Bears! On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: A couple bits of good news came this week. On Thursday I got word from one of stock agents that he had sold one of my snow crystals shots to the Sierra Club, for use in a future holiday greeting card. I knew he was working on it but it was great to see the deal close, and obviously it's an honor to have them buy one of my shots. Over the last year another major US snow crystal photographer has pretty much eaten my lunch at every turn, so I was happy to emerge with one success. And (non-Pentax context) yesterday I got word that one of my Holga shots was accepted into the upcoming Krappy Kamera Contest, hosted by Soho Photo Gallery in NYC. That's a pretty competitive show, so I'm glad ot have gotten in. Common theme - both shots are macros. The snow crystal was taken with the extreme close up rig with the *ist-D. The Holga shot was taken with 3 single element closeup filters strapped to the front of the Holga lens, and a lot of guess work as to where to put the camera (since it's not an SLR system.) - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A couple of woo-hoos
One more woo hoo. The Bears are going to the Super Bowl! I waited twenty-one years for this WOOO HOOO! Paul PS: Who doesn't care that his printer doesn't work for the moment. On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: A couple bits of good news came this week. On Thursday I got word from one of stock agents that he had sold one of my snow crystals shots to the Sierra Club, for use in a future holiday greeting card. I knew he was working on it but it was great to see the deal close, and obviously it's an honor to have them buy one of my shots. Over the last year another major US snow crystal photographer has pretty much eaten my lunch at every turn, so I was happy to emerge with one success. And (non-Pentax context) yesterday I got word that one of my Holga shots was accepted into the upcoming Krappy Kamera Contest, hosted by Soho Photo Gallery in NYC. That's a pretty competitive show, so I'm glad ot have gotten in. Common theme - both shots are macros. The snow crystal was taken with the extreme close up rig with the *ist-D. The Holga shot was taken with 3 single element closeup filters strapped to the front of the Holga lens, and a lot of guess work as to where to put the camera (since it's not an SLR system.) - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: two more
Ralf, Good pictures, but not as good as your previous stuff. I wish there was a top corner to the building on the left in pix#1. The moving barge in #2 is distracting. Regards, Bob S. On 1/21/07, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One from Boulogne: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/7757564 and another one from Liège: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/extra/buddies/display/7752110 Enjoy. Comments and suggestions as always most welcome. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
