Union activist arrested by UN in E.Timor

2003-10-07 Thread Grant Lee
[I don't believe the occupying forces in Iraq have stooped this low...well not yet anyway.] Australian unionist arrested by UN in Dili October 7, 2003 - 2:14PM United Nations police have arrested an Australian union official in East Timor in what international unions describe as unprecedented

Re: Allen Barra defends Limbaugh's football comments

2003-10-07 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Ed Sullivan was a sports commentator before WW II who said repellent things about Jewish pro basketball players. He was echoing elite Anglo-Saxon opinion about immigrant Jews in America being racially inferior. Some of these folks were socialist. I do not know how much that influenced

crony capitalism in Iraq

2003-10-07 Thread k hanly
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wopent053482066oct05,0,709630,print.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines Iraqi Business Ties Raise Questions By Craig Gordon and Knut Royce WASHINGTON BUREAU; Staff correspondent Andrew Metz contributed to this article from Jerusalem. October 5,

30 yr. bond auctions

2003-10-07 Thread Michael Perelman
What was the rationale (and the real reason) for ceasing the 30 yr. bond auctions? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 30 yr. bond auctions

2003-10-07 Thread nomi prins
The political rationale was that due to the post-Clinton surplus, there was less need to issue as much Treasury debt (corporate debt, however, increased dramatically), so treasury auction sizes were reduced. Both the 3 year note (several years earlier) and the 30 year bond auctions ceased. In

Re: The War on Terror is a war on rights

2003-10-07 Thread andie nachgeborenen
What's yer problem, Hanly, guy's a towlhead, right? All towlheads are terrorists and should be tortured to avenge Syria's attack on the World Trade Center, and also for hiding Saddam Hussein's WMD so we can't find them. If you have done anything, you should't mind being disappeared and tortured

Re: 30 yr. bond auctions

2003-10-07 Thread Michael Perelman
I had heard that it was also a subsidy, since it would raise the demand for long term corporate bonds by removing competing government bonds. Is that true? On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 01:13:40PM -0400, nomi prins wrote: The political rationale was that due to the post-Clinton surplus, there was

internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Grant Clark
Folks, I'm working on a technical book about a new way in which corporations are using the Web to achieve the holy grail, enterprise application integration, using a new family of technologies called Web Services. The book is targeted at working programmers, so it will mostly be that sort of

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Bill Lear
On Tuesday, October 7, 2003 at 13:35:03 (-0400) Kendall Grant Clark writes: Folks, I'm working on a technical book about a new way in which corporations are using the Web to achieve the holy grail, enterprise application integration, using a new family of technologies called Web Services. The

Re: The War on Terror is a war on rights

2003-10-07 Thread Devine, James
JKS, you forgot to mention those nukular weppins. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: andie nachgeborenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Tom Walker
Workin' on it. Tom Walker 604 255 4812 Ian wrote: [cue to the Sandwichman] [New York Times] October 7, 2003 Lumps of Labor By PAUL KRUGMAN

Re: George W. Bush, c'est fini

2003-10-07 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/03/03 11:00 AM Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Bush is finished given that the election is divided along states (ignoring the few states that permit individual electoral votes) --ravi not sure what portion of above in parentheses means... electors are not

Re: PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
Go Tom! Tom Walker wrote: Workin' on it. Tom Walker 604 255 4812 Ian wrote: [cue to the Sandwichman] [New York Times] October 7, 2003 Lumps of Labor By PAUL KRUGMAN

Re: Bush - dolt or ordinary criminal?

2003-10-07 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/06/03 01:58PM old Stalinist dialectical term, a clear jump of quantity into quality. Michael H writes: 'quantity into quality' has bit more history than above comment suggests, as in hegel, marx, engels (real culprit, according to critics, with those 'three laws' - unity

Re: PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Tom Walker
Dear Professor Krugman, The so-called 'lump of labor fallacy' you refer to in your column of October 7, 2003 is a crock (see my The 'lump-of-labor'case against work-sharing: populist fallacy or marginalist throwback? in _Working Time: International trends, theory and policy perspectives_, eds.

Re: Bush - dolt or ordinary criminal?

2003-10-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Hoover wrote: tone doesn't always travel well in this medium, my comment was directed at use of 'stalinist' in relation to concept of 'quantity into quality', while some marxism (various elements to various degrees) became ossified, i don't understand purpose/function of reference to

Re: Bush - dolt or ordinary criminal?

2003-10-07 Thread Devine, James
Michael H. wrote tone doesn't always travel well in this medium, my comment was directed at use of 'stalinist' in relation to concept of 'quantity into quality', I don't know who used the term stalinist here. Jim

Re: 30 yr. bond auctions

2003-10-07 Thread nomi prins
In theory, it could be construed as such. In reality, it only raised demand temporarily. Plus, no one trading believed long term corporate debt would do well if long term government debt wasn't, though it was certainly marketed aggressively and increased in volume. The fact remained that there

Re: PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
The same employers who hailed the downfall of the Socialist Unity Party government in East Germany, where piece wages were a regular practice, also opposed the shorter working week in Western Europe and the USA. In the post-Fordist world within the developed capitalist countries, the majority of

Re: PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Devine, James
I find the lump of labor fallacy discussion to be a bit off the point. The discussion should be restated as simply saying that cutting the legal work-week can distribute more jobs among the entire working class, given the aggregate demand for products. PK seems to be assuming that Say's false

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread joanna bujes
Web Services seems to be just another mechanism for decoupling that allows independent change of implementation, and (supposedly) some sort of dynamic lookup of implementation. You might look at Creating the Computer: Government, Industry, and High Technology by Kenneth Flamm, and also his

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Pen-'Ellers, KGC writes, But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really expected) because of various purely technological ideas (most of which get attributed, inaccurately, to Tim Berners-Lee). I

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 04:25:03PM -0700, joanna bujes wrote: Computing, in general, cries out of standards and openness; capitalism depends upon private property, of which intellectual property is a part. So the development of computing is always pulled into these completely contradictory

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:58:09PM -0700, Doyle Saylor wrote: Me, Clay Shirky writes about the economics of what makes the web work. Has some theories about various ideas floating around about the IT industry that are a starting place to think about what works and doesn't work about Web

Re: Bush - dolt or ordinary criminal?

2003-10-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I don't know who used the term stalinist here. Slavoj Zizek, as quoted by me. Doug

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread ravi
Doyle Saylor wrote: Greetings Pen-'Ellers, KGC writes, But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really expected) because of various purely technological ideas... i could use some clarification of the

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread ravi
Kendall Clark wrote: Yes, there are these tensions which pull in opposite directions; one of the things I do as a weekly tech columnist is try to get it through the default libertarian geek mind haze that capitalism, in fact, sucks. : what does default libertarian geek mind mean? that by

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread ravi
Kendall Clark wrote: Huh? You really lost me here. My question was way simpler than that. The fact that the Web scales to 5B+ documents is a surprise to computer scientists. One of the prevailing explanations is that HTTP got smarter (basically, it became more cachable by intermediaries and

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:16:51PM -0400, ravi wrote: But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really expected) because of various purely technological ideas... i could use some clarification of

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:20:11PM -0400, ravi wrote: Kendall Clark wrote: Yes, there are these tensions which pull in opposite directions; one of the things I do as a weekly tech columnist is try to get it through the default libertarian geek mind haze that capitalism, in fact, sucks. :

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:25:21PM -0400, Kendall Clark wrote: Kendall -- Nobody said it was easy No one ever said it would be this hard Oh take me back to the start --Coldplay, The Scientist ... Oops, my apologies for not trimming my .signature. Kendall

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:25:57PM -0400, ravi wrote: i posted this already, but i will repeat my question: could you explain further what you mean by the web scales to 5b+ documents? and who are the computer scientists who are surprised by this? I've already explained it, so I won't do so

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-07 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Pen-L, KGC writes, Oops, but, but, Clay Shirky is a bit of a moron. Doyle, Couple of things, while for you the term moron is simply a label that indicates you think Shirky is not interesting, for me as a disability rights advocate I find the term anti-disabled. If you read Stephen Jay

Re: PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Mike Ballard
Comrades and friends, The fallacy is in the lumpy pudding which capitalist social relations serve up to us. The size or quality of the pie is not in our power to change. TINA says, Here's your dessert, now eat it you mangy proles. If the work week were reduced in some way by State sanction (

Fannie, Freddie the FHLBs

2003-10-07 Thread Eubulides
Challenging an Empire Regional Home-Loan Banks Eye Fannie, Freddie's Market By David S. Hilzenrath Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, October 8, 2003; Page E01 As Congress considers whether to impose a new regulator on mortgage lending giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the activities of