-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Please feel free to test it, bang on it, etc. I think it works... at
least it seems to work and doesn't seem to break anything...
It requires a bit of a conditional. You cannot use --stayonhost and
- --stayondomain in the same fetch, you
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
For those that are interested in contributing, I've decided to make
my list of PDA-formatted URLs public, but there's one condition... I need
your help maintaining the list.
I decided that a Wiki-based approach was the best format
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
For those that are interested in contributing, I've decided to make
my list of PDA-formatted URLs public, but there's one condition... I need
your help maintaining the list.
DOH! It would help if I actually remember to put the url
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I took a few minutes today and hacked together a perl script that
wraps around wvHtml[1] and the existing Python distiller, and allows you to
fetch remote Microsoft Word documents (.rtf, .doc)and convert them into
Plucker format. It will
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
David, what did you see? What I saw on my system was that it held the
pluck to the host, which is what I would expect given that --stayonhost is
more rigid than --stayondomain. Other than that, it functioned normally.
Look even closer.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
This has now been updated to print a warning that it is ignoring
--stayondomain if --stayonhost is also specified.
Further testing shows that you need yet another conditional, because
- --stayondomain is overridden by --staybelow as well.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I've sent the template again, and got another error message, saying I have
not supplied a doc_name. The template copy clearly shows a doc_name, so
are there requirements for this argument that weren't specified in the
Large Template remarks?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Is there any chance you could send the PDB file on its own? The mail
client I'm using can install PRC/PDB files sent as attachments.
I'll add a template option, 'compress_delivery' or something like
that, and if you say Yes, it will zip
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I've created a new subdomain for the Open PDA URL Wiki. You can now
point your browser at the following website to help us maintain the list:
http://openurls.plkr.org/
We've had many people helping over the past few days,
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hear, hear. Might I also suggest that you blackhole those who start a new
message by replying to another message with a completely different
subject, thereby introducing much confusion to threaded mail readers.
I'll add some blurb to
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I always assumed (I know, ass u me) that the subject would govern the
placement in a thread. Now I know that it's something else, but what is
it? Does this same thing apply in newsgroups?
Typically, the In-Reply-To header (if present)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Ditto. Even a limited copy function would be nice. Perhaps a copy
display to clipboard or even to memo (if that would be easier to
implement).
The problem with this (and this has been discussed dozens of times
over the years on the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I have created this message in Yahoo Mail by clicking on the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] link at the bottom of a message on mail
list etiquette.
There is nothing contained in a mailto href tag that would convey
threading, so clicking on any mailto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
** In newsreaders, I believe there is often some optionality about how the
various methods of threading are used. I think, if attempting to thread
email messages, an email client should allow the same.
News postings are not email, and
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
*** I cannot understand why those who seem to have so much experience,
cannot be more tolerant of others.
Unfortunately, this isn't about tolerance, it's about etiquette.
This problem is so non-obvious, and many many people are totally
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
But you and at least one other Plucker-veteran are not incontrovertably
correct about the top-posting issue being etiquette, which would imply
some sort of universal agreement, and tend to sound arrogant and
patronizing towards deviants.
Okay, how's this for an alternative... leave the current behavior as it
is, with the addition of a new value for alt_maxwidth/alt_maxheight of
noalts or of -1 or of none.
I'm a fan of '0' or 'None' to mean ignore this or disable this.
Using -1 there or noalts will cause
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hmm... I could've sworn I saw it in the What other features can we
expect? section of the FAQ, but obviously I was wrong. Sorry.
(checks the FAQ), dangit, you're right!
I'm surprised that you consider such basic functionality as
Didn't find any more entries with PrefEd. Removed all plkr files, plkrdoc
list file, prefs, etc. Still nothing.
Running any weird hacks or font tools?
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would be very nice if it would take what it has, and put that into a
pdb, as if it had finished properly.
Funny you should mention that..
http://www.plkr.org/list/1Q2000/0179.html
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL
does anybody know if there is the possibility to get rid of the [IMG]
markers ? I have got some pages with an awful lot of smal images in it and
I can hardly find my way round the page with all the [IMG] about.
This thread may help. Make sure to read them all for context:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I frequently get replies to my questions that are top quoted. I like it
because it means that I don't have to scroll down to find the reply.
This is especially nice when when it takes multiple 'exchanges' to remedy
the problem.
Oh,
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Most of the docs I find on the web are zlib compressed. However my Palm
cannot run zlib as it is running Palm OS 2.0 only. Would anyone know how i
can remove zlib compression from these documents? Perhaps an 'uncompress'
utility?
Use the
I just installed plucker desktop on my windows xp machine. When I try to
process a channel to a web page I get the following error message. Does
anyone have any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong or what I need to
do? (My depth level is set to 1):
I just plucked this site with
- Support for high-resolution screens such as those found on the
Sony Clie and the Handera H330 (in the Hi-Res branch, found at
http://hires.plkr.org/)
- JogDial support (also found at http://hires.plkr.org/)
- Expanded font selections (9 for
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
The one site that I have been unable to pluck sucessfully is the Plucker
home site, http://www.plkr.org, the viewer just shows a blank page.
Try pointing to http://www.plkr.org/index.plkr instead, and you may
find better results. For some
I think a simple feature to override page-supplied background and
foreground colours with white and black (or, if you want to get fancy,
user selectable colours) would be a good approach.
How about just emailing the website maintainer and telling them that
their color scheme sucks,
Fighting over all and every idiot in the world is not a practical
strategy. Unfortunately.
..but one idiot at a time =)
Seriously though, the point I was trying to make, is that we're
basically going to end up having overrides for every kind of HTML tag in
Plucker if we keep
That worked a treat, thanks, apart from a load of 404 errors
Retrieval failed: 404 -- Not Found.
359 collected, 12 to do
Processing http://www.plkr.org/alice-start-of-chapter-1.gif...
Looks like Bill's Tour page has some incorrect links. I wonder why
they're pointing
which is the web site for ReadThemAll, a document reader which implements
a much nicer method of scrolling than I've seen anywhere else. Perhaps you
guys could consider implementing such a scrolling setup in Plucker.
It would be hard to implement this without some source code to see
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
The usual procedure is to include username and password as part of the
URL.
...and here's why you should NEVER EVER EVER EVER do this..
The moment you go offsite and follow another link, your username and
password that you used to
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Also, ftp and http use very different user authentication mechanisms.
Yes and no.
The protocol themselves do not adhere to different authentication
mechanisms, but when you're talking about http authentication (i.e. Basic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
We keep our firm's internal phone directory on the intranet as an HTML
table (generated as an .ASP but easily plucked), and am currently
trying/testing/comparing iSilo vs. Plucker for our attorneys to have easy
mobile access to the directory.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
The link for CNN's QuickNews appears to be dead. The last update was
10/17. I really mention this because it is one of the Showcase Channels.
You could probably do some post-processing of this, to turn the
textual links back into normal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
After installing the latest plucker desktop and handheld programs, I can
no longer right-click on .html files in Windows to convert to plucker.
How do I regain this feature?
When you installed Plucker Desktop, did you forget to check the
Rob, I think he also wanted to get Plucker Desktop working too. and was
having problems with the conduit. I was following his thread on another
group and sent him this way.
Which group?
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL
Will this process work for a Handspring Visor using a MemPlug Springboard?
If not, any advice?
..only on Windows, of course.
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
*** Robert, as this has come up a few times, perhaps you could explain why
Plucker has to stay within the 64k limitation, but other readers, like
iSilo, do not?
They do, however they make it seem like they can exceed the 64k
barrier, but
It will be able to do it whenever some enterprising person sits down with
the source and *makes* it do it. So pick up a C++ book and get cracking!
A C book would be more appropriate for a project written in C.
d.
___
plucker-list mailing
So the good news is that 1.2 is in Debian unstable. The bad news is that
it seems to have the same bug I mentioned earlier (RuntimeError: The
collection process failed to generate a 'home' document).
Out of curiosity, are you running Python 2.2? I found a problem
today with using
The text has some illegal tags in it, like ![garbage]. Remove them to
make proper legal HTML to parse.
Sigh, it just became a FAQ item =) I'll update and commit later.
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any interest in an Esperanto translation?
Fire away.. We welcome any contributions you want to make.
Make sure to adhere to the viewer/langs/TRANSLATING file though, if
you wish to embark on this. Are you planning on translating the viewer?
Plucker Desktop? Documentation?
d.
Right now i´m working on a hi-res lollipop (64x64) :D
Lollipop? What would that represent?
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I just wanted to extend a huge thank you to those kind people who
have helped to add, sort, and categorize the urls found on the OpenURLS wiki
page. Lots of new urls have appeared, older ones have been cleaved off, and
hundreds of others have
/usr/lib/palmgray4.map exists on the system. How should I fix it so
that plucker-build can find it? Is this a system configuration problem
unrelated to Plucker?
I suspect your ~/.pluckerrc file is not correctly set up. For
example, here's a copy of one that I use for testing the
I still find that, in the viewer, I get [img] rather than the image.
Read the FAQ but did not find a solution there. The viewer preferences
are set to depth 8. Any other causes for this? The parser does not seem
to have a problem with netpbm2. No error is reported there.
Are you
I was doing my weekly carbon parse of the referer logs, and found
a very neat site, which looks like it is giving a tutorial of Plucker, but I
can't translate it. Can someone on the list translate this page, and give us
a synopsis of what it says?
JPluck is a Java-based toolkit for creating Plucker documents. It
includes the JPluck X GUI for managing and downloading documents. You
can find more info here: http://jpluck.sourceforge.net/
Where's the source for this GPL'd project?
I don't think JPluck is GPL'd, although I do
It is GPLed but the source package has not yet been released. Will do that
once I get beta 3 out the door.
Not to start another tirade here, but you realize that right now,
you are violating the GPL by providing only binaries, and not source?
You _must_ provide the source at
Please give me some time to put everything together nicely. Don't nail me
down on legal details. I'm doing as a hobby.
I'm not on your case, but this is _exactly_ why the GPL exists, to
make sure that the code _is_ available, even when you're not.
Besides, if the code was
To access the leaderboards, please register below:
Email:
First Name:
Postal Code
etc
Yep, they're trying to make it impossible for anyone but AvantGo
users to get to the content. Consider this one a dead-end, it's only going
to get worse.
Does anyone know how to make this work
Does anyone know how to make this work with Plucker?
Silly me.. append 'registration=valid' to the end of each link, and
you'll begin to see it working. I'm not sure how to do that programatically,
but there's your answer.
d.
___
Is there anything that can be done from a code standpoint to increase the
speed of plucker-build? Plucking my normal channels takes all
day(literally 23:50!)
I have yet to see a channel take longer than 4 minutes on my
machine, and I'm only on a piddly cable modem. Are you talking
Try this out, edit you text file and place pre at the begining, and
/pre at the end. Re-parse it and view it. That should work.
..unless of course by columns, he meant tables.
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am using IE 5.5 with Windows 2000. I have tried to load the pages also
using Phoenix, still the usual can't find server etc problem for both
www.plkr.org and desktop.plkr.org
What IP are you coming in from? I do see that the IP you're at right
now (208.59.90.94) is not in the
python version 2.2 ... but I'm betting there's a bug in the parser.
Consider this small example file:
..and I'll bet it works with Python 2.1. Likely something changed in
Python 2.2 that we don't compensate for, hence the problem. Roll back to
2.1, and you'll see things start working
I am still not able to get to the plucker web site. The page loads when I
use a web proxy service I have available so it is not anything on my local
machine.
This is beginning to sound more and more like a local configuration
problem. If you use a web proxy service (local? like
I am having problems accessing your site:
http://plucker.gnu-designs.com/ It keeps timing out! R U having problems?
None whatsoever, but that's not the website, the URL you want is
http://www.plkr.org. Try that and see if that doesn't work better for you.
d.
I was wondering if there are any ideas why this would be. I've disabled
downloading of images and it made no difference.
Is the html using small/small or pre/pre tags for that
material? Can you point me to the HTML itself (or send it to me directly) so
I can try to pluck it here and
It works fine (although it took about 8 hours to parse and compile!!)
I just parsed it, using the url you pasted in a follow-up message,
and it only took me 52.5 minutes to grab all 1,250 links and parse them into
the single pdb. I was on a dual PIII/600 on a fairly slow DSL connection.
Can anyone tell me what tag to put in my home document to have the links
in Plucker Handheld be same as those on the actual web site.
Look at anchor_color in your ~/.pluckerrc
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plucker Desktop (for Windows) has features that can be selected, but are
not yet implemented. This is bad UI design. wags index finger back and
forth
I think there was a problem with my mail, I didn't see your patch to
address and provide fixes for these issues come through the list.
1) The software is free. That does not belittle the amount of work that
David and many others put into it.
I'm just one guy, and I actually don't play around on the viewer end
currently, I do the back-end stuff (parser, web, portals, etc.) right now.
Plucker Desktop is
Personally if someone points out a problem to me but they cannot fix it,
atleast I'm happy that the problem itself was identified.
Exactly, but in this case (I can't believe this is actually spawning
a thread on thsi topic), pointing it out is one thing, wagging your finger
at the
I regret that anyone would have taken that to mean adding patronizing
quality rather than adding lightness.
I agree, let's move onto fixing the problem you identified...
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only unfortunate catch about this app is that it was originally
intended purely for personal use, and as such the code is rather messy,
there's a lot of functionality that could be improved, and worse, the app
uses Microsoft technologies (ASP, and an Access database), because that's
what
Aren't we acting in violation of copyrights by downloading news articles, or
providing the means/instructions to do so?
Not in the law's eyes, no. You aren't actually redistributing that
content, in modified form, to OTHER users, without the permission of the
copyright holders. You are
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
True. But since these are new projects we need a forum to announce new
releases.
Then plucker-announce is the place to send that, or plucker-list,
but having a third-party project that uses Plucker using the lists dedicated
to Plucker's
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
My view is that JPluck and PlkrData are inherently Plucker related.
We definately agree, as is Fling-It, pler, OpenUrls, Plucker
Bookmark Assistant, and so on. The smaller defining line is that discussions
related to the usability of them,
I know Plucker is designed to convert .html, rather than plain text files,
to Plucker format, and so the .txt extension might be upsetting it,
although as I say, 1.2 and OS 4.1 handled it.
The webserver could be offering the wrong Content-Type for that
file, as text/html, instead of
I searched through www.plkr.org and couldn't find a link to the Wiki list
of top plucks. Does anybody know the URL? David?
http://openurls.plkr.org/
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just found out that someone is creating a Mac OS X-specific version of
JPluck based on 0.8.5.
I assume you've been working together with this person, and it's not
a fork of the JPluck code. That would be bad, especially if you weren't told
that they wanted to create an OSX version of
The viewer's telling me Unknown type on document when I try to view
files created with the Python parser. I thought it was sitescooper, but
when I run plucker-build independently I get the same error in the viewer.
This is a new install on a Linux machine with Python 2.2.2.
The
Do you know where can I find this version (already compiled). The Desktop
I have installed has 1.2beta13.
You want viewer_es.prc inside the Plucker 1.2 distributed package.
d.
___
plucker-list mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Obviously, I always thought that that was David's job :)
Hey hey hey... don't drag ME into this =)
Actually, I found a reference to the directories in Viewer.tex, but
nowhere else. I did however update the FAQ in cvs, but I cannot update
the website. I'm fairly certain that David
Would anyone know of some utility that would work like Plucker in
that regard, but would only d/l the HTML? Or is there a way to get
the distiller/desktop interface to d/l the requested sites, but
-not- turn them into the plucker doc? I'm working on some projects,
and I'd love to be able to
wget is one that I use.
Right. But he kept his platform a secret so we cannot be sure.
Ah, but he didn't, if you look closer..
X-Mailer: Opera 6.05 build 1140
There wasn't a built 6.05 of Opera for Linux, but there was for
Windows, so he must be running some
Now I would like to use Plucker with linux and save the database files on
the SD card (since my memory is very limited). Is it possible and if so
how?
Not possible, unless you have an external card reader that can read
and write to SD cards. pilot-link does not support VFS, and can't
Not online anymore ?
Adam could be having problems with his provider, it's happened before.
I'm sure he'll see what's going on and let us know in due time.
d.
signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part
I'm asking this not to scam companies and keep playing shareware
(honestly), but because I'm a bit curious and annoyed that deleting a
program doesn't seem to actually remove it from the system's memory.
What part of this has to do with Plucker?
d.
... I have tried setting the limits at 1,2,3 and 4 - it always lets me
copy the front page but never anything under the front pate.
The old standby... run it through an HTML validator. Their HREF
syntax is questionable (among the 17 other errors the validator found on
their page).
I'm not sure of the status of the plkr.org page which is where the info
originated from - maybe someone else can say?
Plucker works on PocketPC as long as you use the GTK+ viewer, and
install/port the required GTK+ libraries to the PocketPC platform. It also
works on the PocketPC
Thanks, the installer from the mirror location worked fine.
Oddly, they are *EXACTLY* the same file, as verified by md5sum.
Are your sure your browser didn't terminate the download early, or
that it properly understands the file type? The file should be exactly
8045619 bytes.
There is an option to send email from within plucker. Does this actually
work? I've sent a number of test messages... None of them got through. Is
there an undocumented desktop-side setup for this, as I have no idea how
plucker would even determine the smtp server to use... Thoughts? Flames?
Error: Runtime error parsing document file:test.png: call to '( pnmscale
-width 150 -height 169 |ppmquant -quiet -map palmcolor8.map
|pnmtopalm -depth 8 -quiet [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) 2/dev/null' returned
status 256
Does palmcolor8.map exist, and is the right path defined in your
The second prerelease of JPluck 0.9 is available: This is basically a
refresh with many bugfixes and some new features. Thanks to everyone for
their feedback.
I'll add this announcement to the main Plucker website also.
Great work, keep it up!
d.
My question: Does anybody know an open source or freeware media (picture)
viewer (slightly Off topic) or can I manipulate Plucker to act as an image
viewer?
I came up with something back in April of 2001 that takes a
directory of images and creates an album for Plucker, with one image
This is a fair argument. However, rendering the page takes quite a bit
longer than flipping a paper page.
That's also because this isn't a paper book anymore. The concepts
change, as do the methods of reading them. For that, people have to expect a
certain learning curve, and maybe a
Sorry I meant the bugs listed on bugs.plkr.org. I've lost my password and
I see no way of retrieving it. I wanted to check if bug voting was
supported. If it is, users can let the developers know about the issues
they think are most important. When I look at all the bugs I only see
Votes: 1.
How about support for synching to SD cards?
I understand this already works on the Windows side.
Implementing it on the Linux side is going to take a few months,
since I have to debug and fix some existing bugs in pilot-link first, before
I begin adding new features such as VFS
As a suggestion for a future release, it would be nice if a Delete
operation would simply remove the document entry if the underlying
document didn't exist, rhather than leaving a stray pointer to nothing
lying around.
Wouldn't this require Plucker to scan your RAM, ROM, and card(s)
Very interesting threads going on related to screen scraping
(basically unauthorized spidering). Worth a read, follow the threads:
http://www.mail-archive.com/advocacy%40perl.org/msg01755.html
I call it a possible bug because I don't know if it's a problem with
Plucker itself, or is a side-effect of something screwy on my Visor. The
latter case is why I'm tempted to do a hard reset and redo everything from
scratch.
Have you reported it in bugs.plkr.org yet? If not, please
HOWTO Pay for Free Software, http://puzzling.org/pub/HOWTO/Free/
I wrote to Mary on January 4th about this, and was asking if she
would allow me to distribute it in Plucker format at Linuxworld. I asked her
what license she was going to distribute it under and what terms she would
allow
At the time of the execution, I receive a mail telling me the script has
been executed, but I have a GTK Warning at the end of the message (can't
open display).
Sounds like you're trying to run gpilot-install-file as root from
crontab, and root can't run X applications. Run it as a
I think this is the best suggestion for a workaround so far. Let the
viewer jump to the next page if you pagedown at the bottom. For that you'd
need a function code to specify the record ID of the next page, or some
other data structure so that the viewer knows what the next text record
is.
I have been spidering a page that has a very light grey font - unreadable
on my palm. Can someone suggest a tag to place in my home.html document
that will make the font black for just this one site.
You'll have to spider the pages down locally and then change it
inside their HTML
My next step will be a 256MB CF card to replace my 128MB card. With 48MB
of Plucker files and counting, not to mention everything _else_, I'm
running out of room...
256-meg SD cards are now only ~$72.00
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=478689
d.
is the current Python parser (from CVS) and the V1.2 viewer supposed to be
able to handle German umlauts in UTF-8 encoding correctly?
Yes, except the webpage below doesn't properly encode them, so the
parser fails (as does the three web validators I just pointed to the page).
I would
I agree with MJR: my gut feeling is that the whole purpose of choosing a
character set is not having to use entities for characters in the set.
I agree as well, and unfortunately, that page isn't properly using
any encoding, thus the failure. No worries, manually changing all of the
101 - 200 of 602 matches
Mail list logo
