Re: [RDA-L] Collective cities

2013-12-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
  -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: December-17-13 4:46 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Collective cities Heidrun quoted RDA:

Re: [RDA-L] Publication/distribution/manufacturer statement

2013-12-06 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
are lacking, and there's no RDA provision, I suppose you can for the time being at least, go back to AACR: Just use: S.L. : s.n., n.d. Until no mixed record or coding is allowed, or a 264 5 should come along. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor

Re: [RDA-L] reprint relationships

2013-11-18 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Just to add some other details on this topic and the relationship designator “reproduction of (manifestation)” under the broader designator of “equivalent manifestation” (a manifestation embodying the same expression of a work – which covers manifestations in different font sizes of the same

Re: [RDA-L] Qualifying access points

2013-11-04 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: November-04-13 3:50 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Qualifying access points Thomas said: I already make extensive use of that data in the new RDA-based MARC

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
for the work. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-18-13 3:03 AM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references Thomas posted

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
RDA does provide for that in 18.6 when a relationship to a resource requires explanation (this is the closest in RDA to the justify the added entry concept). Of note is that most elements in 18.6 are manifestation elements. In this case that example would likely be mapped to 2.20.3 - Note on

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-17-13 12:36 AM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: Access points vs. cross references Thomas posted: Implementing these access points in a card catalog produces

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-17-13 2:55 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references Thomas said: All cross-references are access points That's a silly

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Considering this authority record for the name-title SEE reference (based on AACR2 22.2B3) ... 100 1# $a Cunningham, E. V., $d 1914-2003. $t Sylvia 400 1# $a Fast, Howard, $d 1914-2003. $t Sylvia I wonder if catalogers are tempted to fix this in bibliographic records. The 400

Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA

2013-10-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: October-16-13 6:32 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA (KC) I am

Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA

2013-10-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-16-13 8:01 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA Thomas quoted an RDA example: Authorized access point: Cunningham, E. V., 1914-2003. Sylvia Variant access point: Fast, Howard, 1914-2003. Sylvia I ain't gwine do dat

Re: [RDA-L] Uniqueness of titles proper

2013-10-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adger Williams Sent: October-08-13 10:01 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Uniqueness of titles proper Thomas said snip No, there is no equation of

Re: [RDA-L] Uniqueness of titles proper

2013-10-05 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
No, there is no equation of 'preferred title for the work' and the authorized access point for the work. The preferred title for the work is one element only. Mapping it in MARC would mean mapping it to 240 $a,$n,$p,$k -- but not to the rest of the 240 subfields. RDA 5.3 says to record

Re: [RDA-L] Uniqueness of titles proper

2013-10-05 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-05-13 6:40 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Uniqueness of titles proper RDA 5.3 says to record additional elements to differentiate identical ?titles

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points - some thoughts

2013-10-04 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
There are two types of relationships being discussed here, in moving 240 to a 700 name-title access point. Primary relationships (RDA 17), such as Work Manifested, are for relationships like work-to-manifestation relationships. Related works (RDA 25) include whole-part relationships, such as

Re: [RDA-L] WEMI and Bibframe

2013-10-03 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
There is a handy diagram, Barbara Tillett's Family of Works that shows the categories for works and expressions, and where the cataloging conventions have put the boundary between new works and new expressions. For a working link, there is page 2 of

Re: [RDA-L] Role of relators and labels in display

2013-09-30 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: September-29-13 7:26 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Role of relators and

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
is that if the data for the reproducer isn't presented, then you use the data of the original. Just saying. Adolfo -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: Thursday, September

Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

2013-09-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
That's similar to our situation. Once we went with a system that used fixed field generated icons, the GMD was a burden. The icon also produces an equivalent term that is appended to titles in the Title Browse index, which means the last place the GMD had any value was gone. In the regular

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Also getting into new territory for me, would the RDA Manuscript-related elements (RDA 3.9.2) apply for a single cataloged print-out of a published electronic resource? Production Method for Manuscript: printout Scratch that idea. Better to apply the basic RDA concept of choosing the right

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Would the scope of privately printed resources under Publication Statement in LC-PCC PS 2.8.1.1 not also cover local printouts of a published online resource? If an organization or individual prints out copies for local use, and these are cataloged, then it seems who issued or released the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
I would tie two RDA instructions together: RDA 1.1.2 The term 'resource' is used in chapters 2-4 to refer to a manifestation or item. RDA 2.8.1.1 A publication statement is a statement identifying the place or places of publication, publisher or publishers, and date or dates of publication of

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
be entered once in the 775 or 776. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library -Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: September-26-13 4:38 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Thomas

Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations

2013-09-20 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Comparing Extent of Text in RDA to AACR2: RDA: Extent of Text is for resources consisting of printed or manuscript text (with or without accompanying illustrations). Further in RDA 3.4.5.1: These instructions apply to text resources in volumes, sheets, portfolios or cases. AACR2: for

Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations

2013-09-18 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-- From that, I suppose I could add another possibility: 300  |a 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) : |b color ; |c 24 cm This I think is a good fit. One could say that neither Extent of Text nor Extent of Still Image apply for a comic book or graphic novel

Re: [RDA-L] Alternate forms of name as access points

2013-09-14 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
: September-13-13 3:12 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: Alternate forms of name as access points Thomas posted: Preferred name basis for authorized access point Variant name basis for variant access point Variant name basis for variant access point Could

Re: [RDA-L] Alternate forms of name as access points

2013-09-14 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Sent: September-14-13 3:53 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Alternate forms of name as access points -Original Message- From: Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:12:03 -0400 2. Establish some identifier

Re: [RDA-L] Displaying media terms

2013-09-13 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
337 Media Type aligns most frequently with the GMD: projected [for moving images] = motion picture Obviously it is not possible to walk from 337 to GMD. This is the way we do it in preparing AACR2 compatible records from RDA records: If 338 is: Export as 245$h:

Re: [RDA-L] YouTube video, Resource Description Access (RDA) Basics for Copy Catalogers available

2013-09-13 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jack Wu Sent: September-13-13 12:05 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] YouTube video, Resource Description Access (RDA) Basics for Copy Catalogers

Re: [RDA-L] RDA cheat sheet request

2013-09-12 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: September-12-13 12:20 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA cheat sheet request ... An idea

Re: [RDA-L] Composite identities/pseudonyms in RDA?

2013-09-10 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
  -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Galletta, Rosanne Sent: September-10-13 3:10 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Composite identities/pseudonyms in RDA?

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication

2013-09-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
This misses the point that RDA always has a date as a core element. The core if... language points to the cascading use of other dates such as copyright date, and then only if a date of publication cannot reasonably be determined. The core if ... instructions provide the sequence of

Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms relation to work

2013-09-03 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Judge and similar relationship designators are already handled quite well in RDA. There are two relationship elements to a work: 1. Creator 2. Other Person, Family or Corporate Body Associated with a Work Under the second relationship element would fall such designators for roles that led

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic 380

2013-08-29 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Large print is mapped to 340 $n, although it hasn't appeared there yet (currently (large print) is free text found after the pagination in 300$a). The RDA element name is Font Size, and this is a manifestation element. It is extremely important that Large print not be used as a work element

Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games

2013-08-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
For Content Type, video games are listed under two-dimensional moving image. Content Type refers to the primary human perception involved. For the authorized access point of the work, video games are treated like motion pictures, and are grouped under collaborative moving image works (RDA

Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games

2013-08-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:25 AM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games For Content Type, video games are listed under two-dimensional moving image. Content Type refers to the primary human

Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games

2013-08-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The two RDA examples for video games on this page are informative: http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/SCT%20RDA%20Records%20TG/ While LDR/06=m is used, treating the video games as a computer file record type, that is not reflected exactly in the 336 Content Types. Both

Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games

2013-08-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: August-28-13 5:58 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games Thomas said: For LDR/06=m

Re: [RDA-L] Extent -- some ideas

2013-08-21 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
that not only text could be carried by a volume. I feel that is why it causes a trouble :-) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.camailto:tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca wrote: Use subelements under

[RDA-L] Extent -- some ideas

2013-08-20 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
On the topic of improving the idea of Extent, this discussion paper is on the right track: http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-ALA-Discussion-1.pdf The main problem has its source in cramming too many overlapping ideas into the 300$a field. There are different things being counted. Extent of

Re: [RDA-L] Extent -- some ideas

2013-08-20 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
and in using DCRM(B)? Thank you, Larry -- Laurence S. Creider Head, Archives and Special Collections Dept. University Library New Mexico State University Las Cruces, NM 88003 Work: 575-646-4756 Fax: 575-646-7477 lcrei...@lib.nmsu.edu On Tue, August 20, 2013 1:53 pm, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote

Re: [RDA-L] recording on unnumbered plates

2013-08-20 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Sian Woolcock [sian.woolc...@adelaide.edu.au] Sent: August-20-13 8:45 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] recording on unnumbered

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

2013-08-01 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
print? -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:26 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

2013-07-31 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Whether or not it has an edition statement, you could (would be advised to) add Font Size (3.13) large print, in either the 300$a or 340$n or both True. But in the absence of a GMD, or a large print icon, a 250 large print edition statement (transcribed or supplied) would give helpful to

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

2013-07-31 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
FRBR user tasks are another way to specify which elements to use. The edition statement is used to identify the resource in two main ways: 1. help identifying the manifestation by recording what's on the manifestation (this should be done if Large print edition is on the resource). 2.

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Content/Media/Carrier types [was: The A in RDA]

2013-07-30 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The main problem with 006/007 add-ons is where they are optional for accompanying material they can really mess up the use of fixed fields to generate icons for type of material. I've frequently amputated these 006/007 fields when they conflict with an icon that represents the primary content

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

2013-07-30 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
I have memories of a job in an interlibrary loan department where I occasionally had to work with whatever scrap of data I could lay my hands on to find the books people had requested. On one occasion, I had limited information to use to search for nearly identical books, which were otherwise

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

2013-07-29 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Ford Davey Sent: July-28-13 9:57 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA ... That disturbs me, a lot! I would like to know how those of you

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

2013-07-29 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: July-29-13 12:27 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA Barbara said: That is not

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

2013-07-29 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: July-29-13 2:31 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA Both RDA and Bibframe follow modern data modeling techniques, such as the entity

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.3.2.9 Resource lacking a collective title

2013-07-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
For example, labeling 100 as Author does not apply to a criminal defendant in 100. Labeling 100 Person adds no useful information. I've seem nothing better than an unlabeled ISBD display. All of those are corrected in RDA, where it is recognized that all the names in a 100 field are not

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.3.2.9 Resource lacking a collective title

2013-07-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Check RDA D.1.2.2 Title and Statement of Responsibility Area for ISBD punctuation Use semicolons to separate titles proper if by same person. Use full stop to separate each grouping of titles proper and statements of responsibility if by different persons. Using the example: Saudades do

Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms

2013-07-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: July-27-13 12:15 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms In he RDA/ONIX framework for Content Type one checks off an attribute for two-dimensional

Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints

2013-07-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kathie Coblentz [kcobl...@nypl.org] Sent: July-26-13 11:58 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume

Re: [RDA-L] RDA media terms

2013-07-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
thomas Brenndorfer said: Generated from MARC codes, objects in my system are flagged as Three Dimensional Object (Artifact) ... Please explain to me how an object could be one, two, or four dimensional. Tooth dentist as my Granny would have said had I used a phrase like that. From

Re: [RDA-L] Designator Relator Code

2013-05-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The RDA-MARC example bibliographic records in the Toolkit have examples with multiple designators after names in the 100 and 700 fields. The designators can fall into any category of relationship element.

Re: [RDA-L] authorized access point for person/family/corporate body

2013-05-13 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
  -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: May-13-13 2:01 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] authorized access point for person

Re: [RDA-L] authorized access point for person/family/corporate body

2013-05-13 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Mon, 13 May 2013, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: If an other person/family/corporate body associated with the work is used to construct the authorized access point representing the work, then that *one* person, family

Re: [RDA-L] Title main entry equivalent in RDA?

2013-05-13 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Shorten, Jay Sent: May-13-13 5:05 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Title main entry equivalent in RDA? I'd like someone to confirm my

Re: [RDA-L] What to include in statement of responsibility

2013-05-12 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
It would be useful to enumerate how RDA treats all the different types of statements of responsibility. In a similar situation, RDA limits the use of the statement of responsibility relating to series. RDA instructs to include it only if necessary for the identification of the series. In many

Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

2013-05-11 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: May-11-13 2:01 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility Heidrun

Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

2013-05-11 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: May-11-13 4:31 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: May-09-13 9:10 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like Board book or Scented book

2013-05-09 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: May-09-13 2:43 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Subject: RE: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like Board book or Scented book From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms in author/title added entries?

2013-05-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: May-07-13 3:46 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms in author/title added entries?

Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms in author/title added entries?

2013-05-06 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: May-06-13 1:12 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms in author/title added entries?

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

2013-04-30 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: April-30-13 1:18 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles But as Deborah

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
You should allow the U.S. Metric Association to provide some assistance. Here’s a quick guide http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/common.html and a set of exercises for those who have trouble with this matter http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/correct.htm One no longer needs to wonder what to

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid relator term and do you have a good example of a DVD + Book RDA record?

2013-04-05 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Browning, Sommer [sommer.brown...@ucdenver.edu] Sent: April-05-13 5:21 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as

Re: [RDA-L] order in 245 when title is more than one language, with bits in each language interspersed

2013-04-04 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Harden, Jean Sent: April-03-13 5:58 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] order in 245 when title is more than one language,

Re: [RDA-L] multiple relationship designators

2013-04-04 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: April-04-13 3:33 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] multiple relationship designators Rochard

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: April-02-13 2:17 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: April-02-13 3:21 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-15 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The RDA Content Type audio does cover MP3 players as the intermediary device (RDA 3.2). Which would result in: Content type=audio and Carrier type=other and which does correspond generally with current Playaway AACR2 record values: GMD = [sound recording] 300$a = 1 sound media player

Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: March-07-13 6:03 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087 Thomas said: The basic problem is then thrown back to MARC

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of James Weinheimer [weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com] Sent: March-08-13 10:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles On

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Really? There is a part 2 to AACR2? I never got that far into the book! ;-) In my opinion, laziness has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Catalogers were always supposed to check to see if there were other editions of the work and relate those editions using a uniform title when appropriate. If

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
In the rare cases when I've seen a [sic] in a display it's been a disservice especially when it's close to the beginning of a title, as it throws off the sort order, and in fact most users are none the wiser and so assume [sic] is part of the title. I have seen titles with unusual spelling

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Re: Thomas' comment, and in fact most users are none the wiser and so assume [sic] is part of the title. I'm curious where you get this fact.  It may be a function of different user bases We serve users of all ages and all walks of life. Probably many who are not good spellers to begin with.

Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087

2013-03-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
In looking at the examples in RDA 19.3.1.3 for Other Person, Family or Corporate Body Associated with a Work there are several instances where a specific relationship designator is not in the initial phrasing for the example. So when one sees Authorized access point representing the dedicatee

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple identities named on same manifestation

2013-02-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Santos Muñoz, Ricardo Sent: February-28-13 6:56 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Multiple identities named on same

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

2013-02-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Of Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: 26 February 2013 15:56 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants Multiple creators and aggregate works are covered in RDA 19.1.2: “If the resource being described contains two or more works associated with different

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

2013-02-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Multiple creators and aggregate works are covered in RDA 19.1.2: If the resource being described contains two or more works associated with different persons, families, or corporate bodies, record the persons, families, and corporate bodies associated with each of the works in the aggregate

Re: [RDA-L] Media type for streaming video

2013-02-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The scope note for two dimensional moving image includes sound. From RDA 6.9.1.3 for two dimensional moving image: Moving images may or may not be accompanied by sound ... Details about sound are covered in the Sound Content element (RDA 7.18). 'Sound content' is the presence of sound in a

Re: [RDA-L] Media type for streaming video

2013-02-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: February-26-13 1:29 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Media type for streaming video Jack Wu

Re: [RDA-L] Scope of Core Element for 17.8

2013-02-20 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
When applying RDA 17.8 to compilations, and having only the first or predominant work be a core element, I think that situation points back to RDA 6.27.1.5 when there is a compilation but no collective title (and therefore no authorized access point for an aggregate work). In the example at

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: February-07-13 11:19 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
of representation better than the second. Heidrun On 07.02.2013 19:50, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: Perhaps, but one should always refer back to the RDA objectives and principles, and FRBR/FRAD user tasks. At one point in RDA development, the statement of responsibility was not going

Re: [RDA-L] When will RDA truly arrive? Will it truly arrive?

2013-01-22 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The confusion around the Rule of Three and RDA's core elements stems from mixing up two different ideas. RDA says the first statement of responsibility relating to the title proper is a core element. Subsequent statements of responsibility are not core elements (which approximates AACR2's

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: January-08-13 3:02 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities Thomas

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
In some ways there is already a simplification in RDA-- the conflation of the FRAD Person and Name Entities. In FRAD, a Person entity has a relationship to a Name entity, and the Name entity has its own attributes, such as Scope of Usage and Date of Usage. In FRAD, Name also applies to titles

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship Designators

2012-11-28 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
There is a hierarchy in the RDA relationship designators, underneath respective relationship elements, which establishes the logical links, as shown in Appendix I: Example: Relationship element: creator Relationship designator: author Relationship designator: screenwriter While the

Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors

2012-11-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The distinction between “artist” and “illustrator” currently exists in the choices for main entry heading. Catalogers have to know that an artist can be a main entry heading, and an illustrator can only be an added entry. The distinction comes down to knowing what is the work and what is the

Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors

2012-11-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
University Las Cruces, NM 88003 Work: 575-646-4756 Fax: 575-646-7477 lcrei...@lib.nmsu.edu On Mon, November 26, 2012 9:19 am, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: The distinction between “artist” and “illustrator” currently exists in the choices for main entry heading. Catalogers have to know

Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors

2012-11-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Good point, and what often gets short shrift is the importance of applying the logic of the user tasks. If the data doesn't help to find, identify, select or obtain a resource, then it's not bibliographically relevant. Beyond that, there is scaling effect in RDA, where essential elements are

Re: [RDA-L] Recording Statements of Responsibility Relating to Series

2012-11-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz [debo...@marcofquality.com] Sent: November-26-12 5:23 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Recording

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-24 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
At one level I don't see the work and instance discussion in the paper of any greater significance than RDA's penchant for preferring a content vs carrier distinction in the organization of the earlier chapters in RDA. In several early chapters in RDA there is only a thin blue line separating

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic

2012-10-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Carrier Type includes Media Type as a constituent attribute, which means Carrier Type volume includes unmediated and would therefore exclude stereographic for the intermediation attribute. One can't combine volume and stereographic, and stereographic by itself would at least point to Carrier

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic

2012-10-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October 27, 2012 1:54 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic Thomas Brennndorfer said: Carrier Type

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
The RDA-ONIX Framework allows for a genre attribute to be part of Content Type. http://www.loc.gov/marc/marbi/2007/5chair10.pdf This has already happened with cartographic and computer (as in computer dataset and computer program Content types)-- see Recommendation #3 in the document. The

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