On 08/03/2013 02:02, Robert Maxwell wrote:
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The one core relationship in RDA is to record the relationship between the
resource being cataloged and the work manifested in it (see RDA 17.3). There
are several ways to do this. One of the ways to do it is by using an
authorized access
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Kevin said:
In this case under discussion, there IS a difference between the
manifestation and the preferred title of the work, so 240
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What may be adding to the apparent confusion about the impact of all
this
is that the LC-PCC PS on Chapter 17 says Do not apply chapter 17 in the
current implementation scenario.
I'm surprised no one else has pointed that out yet.
Kai
On 08/03/2013 17:48, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote:
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You don't seem to be aware that AACR2 has two parts.
Part 1: describe the resource (which could include data about any FRBR entity
in the resource-- work, expression, manifestation, item)
Part 2: provide access to the *WORK*. Catalogers
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RDA follows the representation principle. The data describing a resource should
reflect the resource's representation of itself. The current way seems to be
more
explicit.
Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland
Really? There is a part 2 to AACR2? I never got that far into the book! ;-)
In my opinion, laziness has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Catalogers were
always supposed to check to see if there were other editions of the work and
relate those editions using a uniform title when appropriate. If
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RDA follows the representation principle. The data describing a resource
should reflect
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RDA follows the representation principle. The data describing a resource
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I'm glad this is still being discussed, so I don't feel like a total fussbudget
for pining over a three-letter word.
The issue, in my opinion, is not really whether we
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I'm glad this is still being discussed, so I don't feel like a total fussbudget
for pining over a three-letter word.
The issue, in my opinion, is not really whether we use sic or some other
phrase (though I confess I find sic
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I have always been told that good data outlives poor systems. Still, you seem
to know what you're doing. I'm curious how you're going to manage the
de-siccing. You will have to, I presume, look
Re: Thomas' comment, and in fact most users are none the wiser and so assume
[sic] is part of the title. I'm curious where you get this fact. It may be a
function of different user bases
We serve users of all ages and all walks of life. Probably many who are not
good spellers to begin with.
On 08/03/2013 20:48, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote:
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But they haven't stopped. The choice of main entry (just choosing the main
author responsible) is still part of the choice for identifying the work. The
uniform title choice (or lack of a decision about it) doesn't change the fact
that a
RDA Exercise
A patron asked us to correct a typo in the title page of his
dissertation. The rules are quite clear
on how to handle this situation: transcribe the title page title in 245 and
record the corrected title in 246. But
246 is defined as Varying Form of Title, and a corrected typo is
I guess my attitude is a bit different. I want to make it clear that
there's no attempt on my part to cause trouble, but ...
This is one of the problems with RDA. We didn't connect with non-library
employed users to find out their perspective. I would interpret this
request to mean that the
, March 07, 2013 9:14 AM
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I guess my attitude is a bit different. I want to make it clear that there's no
attempt on my part to cause trouble, but ...
This is one of the problems with RDA. We didn't connect with non-library
employed
As far as I understand it, you transcribe what you see.
Just had one of those. Title was Upnashads. The record also had a 246.
The whole point of a catalog is get the patron to the work he/she wants or
is seeking, or may find while doing a browse by title on the computer.
Do we want to help the
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I think though that what needs to guide catalogers in this case is that the
student who wrote the dissertation is asking for a typo correction. The
rest of the equation such as a (sic) or a 246 is only valid as long as the
student doesn't find the typo important. In this case the student does so I
This is a rule discussion derived from the issue. It is between catalogers.
No indication to quote the rule to the student.
Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Jerri Swinehart swine...@oakland.eduwrote:
I think though that what needs to guide
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I think though that what needs to guide catalogers in this case is that the
student who wrote the dissertation is asking for a typo correction. The rest of
the equation such as a (sic) or a 246 is only valid
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Hello, everyone.
What about the basic question
Of Jenifer K Marquardt
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Hello, everyone.
What about the basic question that was asked? Why is the corrected
version of any 245 with an error put in the MARC field 246 rather than
On 07/03/2013 18:49, Jenifer K Marquardt wrote:
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Hello, everyone.
What about the basic question that was asked? Why is the corrected version
of any 245 with an error put in the MARC field 246 rather than in the 240?
The 246 represents varying forms of the title, yes, but the title of
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And this example is a reflection of orthographic reform. Does it fit the
question asked?
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:03 AM, McRae, Rick
rmc...@esm.rochester.edumailto:rmc...@esm.rochester.edu wrote
Ben said:
I still don't understand why the JSC saw fit to get rid of the
device, [sic] ,for bringing attention to known typos or other
minor mistakes in the title. I think most users understand what it
means, even the ones who don't know Latin.
Ben, I agree with you absolutely that removing the
Jenifer asked:
Why is the corrected version of any 245 with an error put in the MARC
field 246 rather than in the 240?
There is one very practical reason. All of our clients index 246.
Many do not index 240 because of the useless ones for indexes (e.g.,
Works ...). Some clients ask that
In Bib. Format Standards, the section under field 246, 2nd Indicator
blank, use for corrected forms of titles has an example for correction
of mis-spelling, so it does not appear to me there is a problem here.
Even if it goes beyond the spelling out or not of a word, it's still a
variation from
On 3/7/2013 9:47 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote:
This is a rule discussion derived from the issue. It is between
catalogers. No indication to quote the rule to the student.
Might you not find this patron/student asking you to explain *why* you
are refusing to make the
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And this example is a reflection of orthographic reform. Does it fit the
question asked?
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10
RDA-L readers,
Jenifer Marquardt asked Why is the corrected version of any 245 with an error
put in the MARC field 246 rather than in the 240?
Field 240, Uniform Title, is always associated with a 1XX field. If no 1XX
field is present, the data is tagged 130. Thus, field 240 is always an
All I am saying is about a title with wrong spellings in a manifestation.
This is an issue derived from the mentioned thesis. I do not have any
offense on the solution of correcting the title through Graduate Office.
The thing also could happen in other cases in addition to a thesis. Does
that
Perhaps this is a silly question, but suppose the title were repeated
elsewhere in the resource (say, t.p. verso), could that form be used and
the typo-d form on the t.p. disregarded altogether (or referenced in a
246 with a $i indicating its source)?
Thanks, Jasmin
Jasmin Nof
Hebraica
Not to dwell on this overmuch, but, in response to Ian's:
Field 240, Uniform Title, is always associated with a 1XX field. If no 1XX
field is present, the data is tagged 130. Thus, field 240 is always an
appendage to an *author* field, a name heading plus uniform title (in
AACR2-speak), that
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RDA-L readers,
Jenifer Marquardt asked Why is the corrected version of any 245 with an error
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Perhaps this is a silly question, but suppose the title were repeated
Kevin said:
In this case under discussion, there IS a difference between the
manifestation and the preferred title of the work, so 240 should be
used.
The function of a 240 is to unite manifestions of works/expressions
with differingn titles. If this is the only manifestation, we would
not
Mac Elrod wrote:
Kevin said:
In this case under discussion, there IS a difference between the
manifestation and the preferred title of the work, so 240 should be
used.
The function of a 240 is to unite manifestions of works/expressions
with differingn titles. If this is the only
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