Mac Elrod wrote:
> RDA requires only the first author and illustrators of children's
> books as author mainn or added entry.
First author as baseline comes from RDA; illustrators of children's
books as required comes from the LCPS. If we're pointing fingers,
let's point them in the right directio
And wouldn't it help everyone in thier local processing and decision making if
RDA "floor" records were not encoded as "full"?
On 05/20/11, "Adam L. Schiff" wrote:
> >>"I wonder what the faculty would say about the single author rule where
> >>that co-authors can legitimately be left out, alon
I agree with Adam Schiff and Christopher Cronin;
the more we view full-level requirements as floors, not ceilings, the better.
(I'm speaking for myself with that phrase; not attributing it to their
viewpoints exactly.) I've long ignored the rule of three and also the(mostly
unwritten) limita
On 05/20/2011 10:51 PM, Pat Sayre McCoy wrote:
Can we really compare our product (metadata/bibliographic records) to a can of
corn? One is simple--I want a can of corn. Supermarkets are organized with the
canned vegetables together (usually) and for those who cannot read English,
there is a p
One thing that seems to be missing in the discussion of core elements for
relationships in RDA is the massive overhaul to relationships that exist in the
entire second half of RDA, and continued in the appendixes on relationship
designators.
RDA is a powerhouse when it comes to defining and ena
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>Adam wrote: "Where I do have some fears however, is that many libraries,
>including mine, which will very likely choose to provide full access to all
>creators named in a resource when we are doing original cataloging, will,
>because of staffing and efficiency needs, have to accept copy from
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This shows a completely different attitude toward standards than what is
in the other professions. For one thing, newer versions of standards
should seek to provide impr
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This shows a completely different attitude toward standards than what is
in the other professions. For one thing, newer versions of standards
should seek to provide improvements from what they were before, not
s
On Fri, 20 May 2011, James Weinheimer wrote:
I guess we have probably exhausted our respective points. I will only discuss
one here:
Again, RDA's standard was made arbitrarily--unless somebody out there can
point to some kind of research done that showed our patrons wanted only a
single auth
I guess we have probably exhausted our respective points. I will only
discuss one here:
On 05/20/2011 09:17 PM, Christopher Cronin wrote:
Jim wrote:
"I wonder what the faculty would say about the single author rule where that
co-authors can legitimately be left out, along with authors and ot
"I wonder what the faculty would say about the single author rule where
that co-authors can legitimately be left out, along with authors and
other contributors? I doubt if they would like it very much at all."
Exactly, couldn't agree more. And that's precisely why we have CHOSEN
not to apply
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>What would you do if RDA is not implemented?
Ask me
>Mac wrote: Are you considering icons to inform patrons of carrier?
Yes. Iconography and facets are open options. Aquabrowser already does this
by using fixed field coding (not using GMDs). We will be engaging in research
to learn whether the 33X data can either refine or extend icons and
John Myers said:
>So, when AACR2 makes an arbitrary determination that "a single author is
>good enough" when there are more than three, it is OK.
With RDA, a single author is "good enough" even if there are only two
or three authors. A major reduction in access.
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On 05/20/2011 05:34
On 05/20/2011 05:34 PM, Myers, John F. wrote:
So, when AACR2 makes an arbitrary determination that "a single author is
good enough" when there are more than three, it is OK.
However, when RDA affords catalogers the option to follow that
historical arbitrary determination to its logical end (by
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Christopher Cronin said:
>>Mac Elrod wrote: "There needs to be a minimum standard number."
>There is, and you already cited it: the first named. If you would
like to propose a change, then do so through your appropriate JSC
representative. How would you re-write this particular instruction?
So, when AACR2 makes an arbitrary determination that "a single author is
good enough" when there are more than three, it is OK.
However, when RDA affords catalogers the option to follow that
historical arbitrary determination to its logical end (by extending its
application to numbers of authors
On 05/20/2011 04:20 PM, Christopher Cronin wrote:
James Weinheimer wrote: "It is simply unrealistic to think people will do more than
the minimum."
Is is? I have yet to hear of a single library in the test, or that
subsequently implemented RDA, that has made a policy to limit description an
Christopher Cronin said:
>statistically, it is probably close to impossible for any one person
>to even find themselves in a position of browsing through "jumbled
>records" in any given list of search results in our catalog.
This is an important difference between a major academic library, and
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I would just point out that, for most if not all of us, a hybrid catalog is
already the norm. For example, plenty of pre-AACR2 records persist
(particula
On 05/19/2011 07:22 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
Jennifer Sweda quoted the Paris Principles:
... when access is deliberately left out of the record
for a given author, then the catalog will not be an "efficient
instrument" to find out "which works by a particular author ...
RDA requires only the
Jennifer Sweda quoted the Paris Principles:
>... when access is deliberately left out of the record
>for a given author, then the catalog will not be an "efficient
>instrument" to find out "which works by a particular author ...
RDA requires only the first author and illustrators of children's
Agreed [though I'm not sure that's the specific issue Mac was
addressing] -- the Task Force on the Rule of 3 final report (2001) reads:
The "rule of three" was certainly not based on the functions of the
catalog as stated in the basic principles cited above [the Paris
Principles, etc.]; when a
J. McRee Elrod wrote:
There were no main entry changes for monographs as dramatic as the
dropping
of the rule of three.
For me, the most difficult earlier change was entry for serials and
series. I had spent years with "Journal of chemistry" being entered
under title, and "Journal of the Chemica
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Benjamin accurately said:
>I would just point out that, for most if not all of us, a hybrid catalog is=
> already the norm. For example, plenty of pre-AACR2 records persist (parti=
>cularly for serials) in our catalog as in LC&
Benjamin accurately said:
>I would just point out that, for most if not all of us, a hybrid catalog is=
> already the norm. For example, plenty of pre-AACR2 records persist (parti=
>cularly for serials) in our catalog as in LC's and the like.
The differences between the red and green books, AACR
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29 April 2011
EXPORT OF RDA RECORDS TO BE AACR2 COMPATIBLE
If 040$e is "rda"
Export with "a" at the beginning of RSN.
Leave LDR/18 as "i"
I would just point out that, for most if not all of us, a hybrid catalog is
already the norm. For example, plenty of pre-AACR2 records persist
(particularly for serials) in our catalog as in LC's and the like.
Here at MIT we are just at the beginning of the process of thinking about how
we wil
Edit (great name!) asked:
>Do you upload records converting to AACR2 format for now that we are not
>sure we'll be implementing RDA
We are fortunate to so far have derived no RDA records. We tend to
catalogue less usual material.
>Or are you planning on continue doing this even when all the
>li
Mike McReynolds asked:
> ... are going to be using RDA for future records, I am interested
> in knowing what people are planning for their existing records?
We developed a database walk to change existing records, being posted
separately (due to length). But we doubt we will use it. I
29 April 2011
EXPORT OF RDA RECORDS TO BE AACR2 COMPATIBLE
If 040$e is "rda"
Export with "a" at the beginning of RSN.
Leave LDR/18 as "i"
Remove 040$erda
Remove if present 100/110/600/610/700/710$e,
"$4, including $2 if following, le
RDA Global Walk 6 May 2011
These changes to legacy AACR2 records would make them more like RDA,
but perhaps better to export RDA records to be more like AACR2?
I. RDA entry and descriptive changes
In 040 insert $beng (if $bfre not present); add $erda
In
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