Re: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court caseonreligious freedoms

2004-07-01 Thread Paul Horwitz
ownership syndicates and grants co-owners free use and enjoyment of [the] private portion and of the common portions of the condo, provided he observes the by-laws of the immovable and does not impair the rights of the other co-owners Paul Horwitz Visiting Assistant Professor University of San

Re: Dover Intelligent-Design Case

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Horwitz
be surprised if there were not other and clearer examples. Paul Horwitz From: Brad M Pardee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Dover Intelligent-Design

Canadian kirpan case

2006-03-03 Thread Paul Horwitz
argument on kirpans presented by Prof. Hamilton in her valuable book God vs. the Gavel, and respectfully sides with the Court's view. Paul Horwitz Southwestern University School of Law Los Angeles, CA ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw

RE: Missouri declares Christianity its official religion.

2006-03-03 Thread Paul Horwitz
displays, although one set of arguments need not follow from the other. But it seems to me that this resolution is unsure what it wants to say, or unwilling to say it clearly. This strikes me as a remarkably irresolute resolution! Paul Horwitz Southwestern University School of Law Los Angeles, CA

Re: Landmark First Amendment Religion Litigation?

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Horwitz
I honestly can't recall, although I didn't think he had, so this is not too much of a loaded question -- but where in Smith does Justice Scalia expressly carve out the ministerial exception? Best, Paul Horwitz Visiting Associate Professor Notre Dame Law School From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply

Past exams

2007-04-18 Thread Paul Horwitz
As a first-time teacher of law and religion, I would be exceedingly grateful if any list members have any past exams they'd be kind enough to share with me offlist. Needless to say, I'm interested in models, and will craft my own questions. Thanks much in advance, Paul Horwitz Visiting

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Horwitz
: Falwell -- good or bad? Paul Horwitz Visiting Associate Professor Notre Dame Law School From: Susan Freiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Falwell

RE: Mezuzah Suit Sparks Ruckus, Impassioned 7th Cir. Dissent

2008-07-14 Thread Paul Horwitz
Just as interesting, and more disquieting, than the blog post itself are the comments on it. Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:30:30 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Mezuzah Suit Sparks Ruckus, Impassioned 7th Cir. Dissent EMAIL THIS Email

Special pleading

2008-08-04 Thread Paul Horwitz
of these areas, he deserves serious consideration. If you know of any schools that might be looking in these areas, or if you want to reach him directly or have questions, do feel free to email me any time. Thanks and back to your regularly scheduled programming. Yours, Paul Horwitz

RE: Religious exemptions and undue preference for religion/Smith

2009-03-23 Thread Paul Horwitz
Do you mean that Smith as symbol has been important to child and disabled adult victims of church sexual abuse? I guess I have two questions about this. 1) Those movements were becoming increasingly popular in the 1990s. Do you think there's a causal relationship, or merely a correlative

RE: Bus Driver and Women's Interests/ Was Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-26 Thread Paul Horwitz
I've read this long thread with interest. Marci's post evokes some questions from me, as do some of the broader questions raised by the thread. With respect to Marci's post, I confess I am uncertain why this case is presented as an example of men imposing their religious views on the freedom

RE: Hosanna-Tabor and the Ministerial Exception

2011-08-15 Thread Paul Horwitz
-- although they haven't changed my mind. Paul Horwitz From: lederman.ma...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:53:06 -0400 Subject: Hosanna-Tabor and the Ministerial Exception To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Now that all the briefs are in except Doug's reply -- see http://www.americanbar.org

RE: Hosanna-Tabor and the Ministerial Exception

2011-08-15 Thread Paul Horwitz
. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Paul Horwitz phorw...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a brief and basically non-substantive post up on Prawfsblawg today about the Law and Religion Professors brief. Also, the Northwestern University Law Review Colloquy will be running several pieces

RE: Hosanna-Tabor and the Ministerial Exception

2011-08-15 Thread Paul Horwitz
sufficient to do all the necessary work.) But even so, that claim is far more modest than the claim that there is a very different and nearly unanimous consensus about this case . . . On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Paul Horwitz phorw...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm certainly happy to plead guilty

RE: Hosanna-Tabor and the Ministerial Exception

2011-08-16 Thread Paul Horwitz
I think Marci has raised many valuable practical and theoretical questions about church autonomy, both at the level of doctrine and at the level of theory. I'm not trying to address all that here. Nonetheless, I think the argument that the Court has repeatedly followed the principle of

RE: The Two Forms of Ministerial Exception Cases -- a Query

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Horwitz
I appreciate Marty and Rick's conversation. As Rick knows, I tend to share his broad viewpoint and I've published on this issue before. Let me suggest that there's a kind of disjuncture in the conversation, one that might be roughly captured by the difference between thinking locally and

RE: The Two Forms of Ministerial Exception Cases -- a Query

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Horwitz
On the second point only, I can imagine two responses. The first you may find too abstract: that some people may believe that whatever rights Dale secures for churches, they should not have to rely on freedom of association to get there. Maybe they just feel that way for abstract or

RE: Hosanna-Tabor

2012-01-12 Thread Paul Horwitz
leader. At least in some cases, it seems quite relevant to me. Regards, Paul Horwitz University of Alabama School of Law From: dc...@law.usc.edu To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu; conlawp...@lists.ucla.edu Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:56:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Hosanna-Tabor It seems to me

Religion, doctrine, and history

2012-02-15 Thread Paul Horwitz
This has been an absolutely fascinating conversation--heated, yes, but terribly educational. I'm grateful to the many people who have weighed in. Given that I was otherwise occupied during the meat of this discussion I have hesitated to contribute, but I did want to pull together a couple of

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Paul Horwitz
implicitly or explicitly, for ignoring, avoiding, disobeying, or violating rules resembles madness more closely than it does common sense. Best to all, Paul Horwitz University of Alabama School of Law On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: The trouble

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Paul Horwitz
I agree that the word liberty may be problematic here. Of course it depends on the circumstances: some set of facts, or some particular state law regime, might involve a public sports league, or some set of religious rights of non-discrimination in a place of public accommodation. (Although,

RE: Once it took the step of opening play to non-Christians

2012-03-08 Thread Paul Horwitz
be in saying so) – and I would certainly hope that he wouldn’t reward my hospitality with a lawsuit. Eugene Paul Horwitz writes: In this case, it seems to me that the road to a reasonable resolution of the problem lies in the fact that TAPPS opened itself to a situation in which

RE: Statement on Religious Liberty from USCCB

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Horwitz
I'm sorry there haven't been more responses to this thread. May I point out that Mirror of Justice has, unsurprisingly, had some very interesting discussions of the statement in the last few days. I don't agree with all of them but have found the discussion excellent. For myself, I find the

RE: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-06 Thread Paul Horwitz
This has been a very interesting discussion. I confess that at this point, I am quite confused about the meaning of best interests of the child. I understand it is a complex, context-driven, and multivalent test. But it would certainly help to understand the foundational values and defaults

RE: Equivocal evidence, and the right to choose

2012-07-09 Thread Paul Horwitz
I am also curious about roughly the same point Howard raises. I always value the doctrine- and act-specific discussions I get on this list--I learn a great deal from them, and the theory I can more or less do on my own. But these discussions often seem to me to be just one step away from

Re: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-06-29 Thread Paul Horwitz
they must be treated as sectarian, if that is even constitutionally relevant, just because the outcome they suggest is consistent with a prominent sectarian view. Paul Horwitz Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Marci Hamilton hamilto...@aol.com wrote: Of course history (people) can

Re: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-06-30 Thread Paul Horwitz
On the first point only, the reservation is just that--a reservation. For EC purposes, doctrine aside, I'm not sure whether I believe the religiosity of a statement or display can be fixed only by contemporary understanding. I suspect my conclusion would be that both historical and contemporary

Re: Response to Tom Berg (and others)

2013-11-27 Thread Paul Horwitz
Nelson, just on the third-party harm point, do you therefore think that Hosanna-Tabor was wrongly decided? Or do you think that it is something of a misnomer to treat a ministerial employee as a total third party? On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Nelson Tebbe nelson.te...@brooklaw.edu wrote:

RE: Response to Tom Berg (and others)

2013-11-27 Thread Paul Horwitz
a litigation claim. But those harms can't be used to displace an absolute Establishment Clause prohibition. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Paul Horwitz phorw...@hotmail.com wrote: Nelson, just on the third-party harm point, do you therefore think that Hosanna-Tabor was wrongly decided? Or do you

Re: Letter of 16 law professors in support of removing substantial as modifier of burden in state RFRAs

2013-12-02 Thread Paul Horwitz
I'm curious about how this response relates to your response to Chris Lund, in which you cited the Madisonian assumption that every group will seek the maximum amount of power. It reminded me of this profile of Valerie Jarrett:

Re: Letter of 16 law professors in support of removing substantial as modifier of burden in state RFRAs

2013-12-02 Thread Paul Horwitz
University @Marci_Hamilton On Dec 2, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Horwitz phorw...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm curious about how this response relates to your response to Chris Lund, in which you cited the Madisonian assumption that every group will seek the maximum amount of power. It reminded me

Re: Warner v. City of Boca Raton

2013-12-03 Thread Paul Horwitz
involving a clear and present danger or proximate cause or reasonable person inquiry). Regards, Paul Horwitz On Dec 3, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Marci Hamilton hamilto...@aol.com wrote: I find it interesting that Doug concedes in this thread that results in RFRA cases turn on the judge's predilections

Re: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-05 Thread Paul Horwitz
Is that accurate? It may vary, but I thought the privilege could be claimed for any confidential communication made to a clergy member in his/her professional capacity as a spiritual advisor. The person seeking that counsel need not necessarily be a co-communicant. I don't think this is just

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-06 Thread Paul Horwitz
they share. Secular people do not. Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Horwitz Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:33 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: The clergy-penitent privilege

Re: Are large employers really better off dropping health insurance?

2013-12-18 Thread Paul Horwitz
I don't think it becomes the equivalent of the Ninth Amendment, or a shell, without heightened scrutiny as a freestanding principle. And I say that as a fan of the pre-Smith regime. Rather, it becomes an equality/speech provision, like the rest of the modern First Amendment. I am by no means a

RE: courts and lawmaking

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Horwitz
Subject: Re: courts and lawmaking From: phorw...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 23:17:10 -0500 To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu CC: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Although I don't share this orientation, this is certainly an interesting discussion. I'm wondering how New York Times v. Sullivan

Re: Notre Dame-- where's the complicit participation? Sincerity

2014-02-15 Thread Paul Horwitz
In a liberal and tolerant society, I would also suggest that, absent some particularly compelling circumstances, the government should not burden either law professor by making them take the action they believe would render them morally culpable for someone else's wrongdoing. Which again makes

Re: On implausible burdens

2014-02-15 Thread Paul Horwitz
The literature on this question, as a legal question. Is of course growing like Topsy. But I am not sure that you are asking the same question. Because this country does not tend to privilege conscience qua conscience to the same degree as religion, the question usually asked is why religion is

Re: Does UVA have its own Regnerus scandal?

2014-05-25 Thread Paul Horwitz
of academic freedom. Or do you think that, sometimes, it just might? For what it's worth, I agree with you that this story deserves attention. But perhaps not for the same reasons that you do. Respectfully, Paul Horwitz Sent from my iPad On May 25, 2014, at 5:42 PM, jim green ugala

Re: Increasingly implausible theories of complicity

2014-07-05 Thread Paul Horwitz
Just to add one small detail: I have no particular problem with questions or skepticism and agree that they can be put into a legally relevant framework (although in the post-decision commentary, not every such doubt or criticism was so framed). But just as the ACA and its implementation have

Re: Untangling the confusion of the Wheaton College order

2014-07-05 Thread Paul Horwitz
It seems to me the broader debate suggests that *lots* of people these days, and not just the religious, have no sympathy for post-modernist anti-foundationalism--and/or that most of us are capable of moving between legal realism and formalism and back again in a split second, often without

Re: Homeschooling, vaccinations, and Yoder

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Horwitz
Of course, it is also possible that these legislators believe that it *is* unconstitutional to heavily regulate homeschooling, either because it's the best reading of Yoder and Pierce going forward (and given the premise that those decisions leave the point unresolved), or because they are

RE: Homeschooling, vaccinations, and Yoder

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Horwitz
I have no complaint about the way Hillel puts things below. I had no complaint, as such, about the way he put things the first time. And I could think of much worse things to be accused of than naiveté. But I should like to defend myself to a certain extent. Of course I understand that

FW: Town of Greece - Canadian Version

2015-04-16 Thread Paul Horwitz
Ruthann Robson of CUNY has, on the con law listserv, offered a post linking to the issuance of a judgment by the Supreme Court of Canada in the case of Mouvement laique quebcois v. Saguenay (City). [I apologize for not properly accenting it; I am reminded of page 104 of Rick Atkinson's

Re: the unconstitutionality of barring Muslims from entering the U.S.

2015-12-09 Thread Paul Horwitz
I'm sorry not to see reference in the discussion to preexisting scholarly discussions of the question of the extraterritorial reach of the EC or other clauses of the First Amendment. No offense to the worthy statements of those who have posted, or written elsewhere, although I do think

State-sanctioned church "police force"

2017-04-12 Thread Paul Horwitz
the state to empower various entities to have police forces, is it constitutional because respectful of equal access to governmental benefits or privileges? Paul Horwitz University of Alabama School of Law MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) – The Alabama Senate has voted to allow a church to form its

Re: State-sanctioned church "police force"

2017-04-12 Thread Paul Horwitz
ervenor ... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Paul Horwitz <phorw...@hotmail.com<mailto:phorw...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Here's a story from the AP. What do you (or, to use the proper and incredibly useful grammar of my adopted state, "y'all") think? Is it a quasi-Grend