RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Richard
@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Re: the waiver request by ReconRobotics for 420 - 450 MHz operation. Hams get the shaft again... George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band I feel a little pessimistic about this, in that I expect it to happen more frequently as time passes. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help feeling that we are going to gradually lose our spectrum as companies with deep

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread David Jordan
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Henry Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:15 PM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Re: the waiver request by ReconRobotics for 420 - 450 MHz

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Nate Duehr
On 3/3/2010 1:11 PM, Richard wrote: I feel a little pessimistic about this, in that I expect it to happen more frequently as time passes. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help feeling that we are going to gradually lose our spectrum as companies with deep pockets buy our frequencies out from

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Barry
If it crosses international boundries I expect it not to happen To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: gbis-reply-...@gbis.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:11:05 -0800 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread DCFluX
Take that crap up to 2.4 GHz with the rest of the garbage.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Maybe, but in my opinion the foot is clearly in the door. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: David Jordan To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Ah George, Don't

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Mike Morris
At 11:15 AM 03/03/10, you wrote: Re: the waiver request by ReconRobotics for 420 - 450 MHz operation. Hams get the shaft again... George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 Someone needs to turn the tables on the rest of them - file for primary on 220-222 MHz.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Richard
_ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Take that crap up to 2.4

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Brian Raker
...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *DCFluX *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:24 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Take that crap up to 2.4 GHz with the rest of the garbage.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread MCH
*From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *DCFluX *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:24 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread David Jordan
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Since they'd be competing with high powered repeaters and government radars, I thought 2.4 gig would have been a better choice than 70cm, but that's just me... Richard www.n7tgb.net

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Kris Kirby
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, George Henry wrote: Re: the waiver request by ReconRobotics for 420 - 450 MHz operation. Hams get the shaft again... Who wants to be the first to sue the FCC? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread WA3GIN
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread k7pfj
_ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Henry Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:15 PM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Re: the waiver request

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread k7pfj
03, 2010 1:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Ah George, Don't worry! The first time the device fails to deliver the goods to the Public Safety guys, they'll stop using it. Good luck to them. They'll have

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread k7pfj
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band On 3/3/2010 1:11 PM, Richard wrote: I feel a little pessimistic about this, in that I expect it to happen more frequently as time passes. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help feeling that we are going

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread WA3GIN
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band On 3/3/2010 1:11 PM, Richard wrote: I feel a little pessimistic

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread WA3GIN
-- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Ah George

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread WA3GIN
...subjective opinion of one! - Original Message - From: k7...@skybeam.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band This is why public safety has its own band

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Kris Kirby
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, David Jordan wrote: There are plenty of options?the FCC has set aside spectrum just for Public Safety and such devices, but they need input from us or all they hear is the vendor biased story?not sure why the FCC felt compelled to allow this request. Perhaps the vendor

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Mark
I want to see what happens when the USAF complains of interference to the PAVE PAWS system, like they did with the 70cm repeater operators. After all, the coppers in the Bay Area (SF/Oakland) and New York have deep pockets and each will probably buy a few of these at several grand a piece - only

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Mark
Didn't the ARRL do that over BPL? Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Kris Kirby On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, George Henry wrote: Re: the waiver request by ReconRobotics for 420 - 450 MHz operation. Hams get the shaft again... Who wants to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Nate Duehr
Amateur Radio is NOT PRIMARY on 70cm in the U.S.. Never have been. Never will be. We are SECONDARY ...and NTIA let's us behave like we're primary... most of the time. That's why we lost with previous military systems (ask folk near Camp Pendleton about that one), we lost with PAVE PAWS, and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Brian Raker
-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto: repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *DCFluX *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:24 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Take that crap up to 2.4 GHz with the rest

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread WA3GIN
-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Actually, DPL/PL doesn't help. It only signals to the receiver when to open squelch is all. If someone is transmitting and this thing decides

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Nate Duehr
On 3/3/2010 5:29 PM, WA3GIN wrote: That is a real stretch...these things are to be used for incidents that require them...how many many high rise building fires do you have in your town...think you can live with a little interference every 20 yrs. Get real. The numbers are public in every

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Mark Harrison
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 07:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band I feel a little pessimistic about this, in that I expect it to happen more frequently as time passes. I hope I'm wrong

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Richard
Of Mark Harrison Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:40 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band This is already happening in Australia. Amateurs are secondary users for 420-450MHz, with military and radio location being

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread David Murman
, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band So... is anyone gonna buy one of these things to see just what kind of interference it will actually make in the 70cm band? 1 watt max and .25 watt nominal is enough to key up a poorly tuned and set up

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread MCH
- *From:* Brian Raker mailto:brian.ra...@gmail.com *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band So... is anyone

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread MCH
Except for the fact these users will be SECONDARY to US. Still, try telling your local PD they have to shut their robot down because they are causing interference... Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: Amateur Radio is NOT PRIMARY on 70cm in the U.S.. Never have been. Never will be. We are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread WA3GIN
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:24 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band Take that crap up to 2.4 GHz with the rest of the garbage.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band

2010-03-03 Thread Dave Swart
- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: FCC RO Involving the Amateur 70cm Band I want to see what happens when the USAF