Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller question

2006-02-12 Thread Nate Duehr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2/11/2006 19:49, you wrote: Bob Dengler wrote: Where was their web police last FD when we had a simplex IRLP node with a broken RX connected to a reflector TXing all day on 223.50 the reflector admin refused to disconnect it? Quite a mess that was. Who did

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Steve Bosshard
Thanks Jeff for taking the time to do some pretty detailed research. The results seem right in line. In real life the effective sensitivity will be somewhat less due to external noise sources. I usually will terminate a system into a dummy load and take a relative isolated tee measurement, then

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread k1ike_mail
I wonder if the West Mountain Radio Computerized Battery Analyzer, CBA II could be somehow used as a load bank for power supply testing? http://www.westmountainradio.com/CBA_ham.htm 73, Joe, K1ike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re variable power supply load. Info should be in archives

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread Tony King, W4ZT
Here is my version of a 12 Volt dummy load: http://astron.w4zt.com/dload.html And, for those of you that are like me and would like to load test HIGH VOLTAGE supplies, here's my high voltage dummy load: http://gs35b.com/hvload/index.html Careful... either of them can burn you... BAD. The

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread Rod Lane
I do. However I mentioned that to one of the West Mountain Radio guys at a flea market and he sounded a little concerned that there might be some possibility of an oscillation between the regulation loops in the CBA vs. the one in a power supply. I haven't observed that, but I do tend to put a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Andrew connector on Eupon cable

2006-02-12 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
Title: Message I'm almost sure it does, as I've used those connectors before on either Andrew or Cablewave 7/8" foam. If you have an older Tessco catalog (say, from 3 or 4 years ago), I'm pretty sure they had a chart in there that showed which connectors work on which cable. Most of the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
I still contend that in a mobile environment, under motion, that the user will not detect the 6 dB difference. It will be barely distinguishable most of the time. I'm not arguing this point. There have been times when I've had a 75 watt Micor PA die and I've had to run the output of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dB224 4 bay 220 MHz Antenna on VERY LARGE TOWER face

2006-02-12 Thread Roger White
Another repeater in the area had a DB224 mounted about 2' off the side of a smaller tower about 400 ft up with thedipoles arranged omni with reasonablecoverage. They went out to about 4' off the side and pointedthe dipoles in towards the tower inline. Performance dropped drastically,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
I picked up an electronic load on Ebay a number of years ago, and have gotten more use out of it than I ever thought I would. Here's a well-done article on building an electronic load. The general design could be easily expanded to handle higher current by using a beefier transistor and/or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Andrew connector on Eupen cable

2006-02-12 Thread Eric Lemmon
Jeff, Yes. I have a VHF system using Andrew LDF5-50 Heliax with Eupen connectors, and also a UHF system using Eupen 7/8 feedline with Andrew Heliax connectors. No problems, either with the connector installation or the longterm performance. Be careful to follow the cable preparation

Radio quality (was RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power)

2006-02-12 Thread no6b
At 2/11/2006 19:50, you wrote: OK, here are the results of my quick bench measurements for whatever it's worth. MOBILE RECEIVERS Kenwood TM-V7A (my most-hated radio): -125.0 dBm (0.13 uV) 1.3 dB to 6.6 dB. Personally I'd argue that the TM-V7A should be disqualified too; it

RE: Radio quality (was RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power)

2006-02-12 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
Did you try the V7A with AIP on? No, I didn't, but I'll do that later today if I get a chance. The other ham rig in my truck is the other Kenwood dual bander (TM-708? getting old and don't remember model #'s like I used to). I'm not sure but I think that has the AIP function too. I never

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Jeff, Kevin, Mike and others Thank you for your insights and, especially to Jeff for the sensitivity tests. I have enjoyed this thread and hope that no one has taken anything to be any kind of personal attack on how anyone runs their repeater. Jeff's comment below pretty much sums up the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
I have enjoyed this thread and hope that no one has taken anything to be any kind of personal attack on how anyone runs their repeater. Of course not. No matter how much I or anyone else nit-picks technical details, it's still supposed to be a fun hobby. My point was is it needed? I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Mark Tomany
Why use Heliax? 'Cause we can! hehehe (In my case, I have someone else footing the bill, and they have SPOOLS of Heliax available, so...) Just another observation regarding my use of the power I mentioned: I have an area where even mobile coverage is poor, and the extra power has allowed me

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread Micheal Salem
I built an electronic load several years ago using two big heat sinks to which I fixed some 2N3055 type transistors that I bought at BG Micro. I fitted the two heatsinks into a tunnel just like this heat sink and put a 12 v. muffin fan at one end. The load can be set for just about any

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Kevin Custer
If we went around putting 3 dB pads on our repeaters until someone noticed, we'd soon have a repeater that no one would be able to use. In this forum, most of us strive for the best operation we can afford, or set-up up to our best ability. A matched system is one that works as well in one

[Repeater-Builder] Quintron Paging Transmitter - manuals needed

2006-02-12 Thread Dennis Wade
Hello everyone, I've been given a compete Quintron paging transmitter currently on 43 mhz. The 6 foot rack includes a synthesized exciter, control, metering and (heavy) power supply. Although I find serial numbers on all the individual modules and the entire rack, I can't seem to find a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: power supply loads

2006-02-12 Thread Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator
Hi all, I've use hair dryers and heat guns to test 120 volt small generator. Works great. Even used a small heater I bought for my son about 14 years ago that provides for a 500, 1000 1500 W swithcable load at 120 VAC. A 1000 W hair dryer (typical) at 120 VAC RMS thats 14.4 Ohms. At 13.8

[Repeater-Builder] Re: controller question

2006-02-12 Thread Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator
Nate, Wy0X Don't want to leave IRLP are bunch of old foggies. IRLP is excellent system. We have 3 or 4 here in Tampa area and many enjoy the operation. However, some did get turned off when certain subjects came up. We have a few Echolink stations also. IRLP and Echolink are, in my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Paul Yonge
The policy of some repeater coordination councils to insist on a 100- mile co-channel separation for UHF (and 120 miles for the lower- frequency bands) regardless of the ERP seems like overkill to me. In fairness, they do allow the consideration of terrain/ERP factors at locations below

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Kevin Custer
Chuck Kelsey wrote: Alright, I believe your numbers. A repeater receiver with a high-end preamp vs. a ham grade mobile receiver averages just under 6 dB better. I still contend that in a mobile environment, under motion, that the user will not detect the 6 dB difference. It will be barely

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controllers - Best bang for the buck?

2006-02-12 Thread Timothy V Horvath
I like the CAT Controllers. I have the CAT-1000 on 2 meter, CAT-700B used with Icom 706 as a HF remote link setup on UHF and a CAT-200 with a Peet Bros weather station. I have had repeaters for a few years but not as knowledgeable as most of the Repeater Builders are here. I know I can Call

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Ray Brown
- Original Message - From: Paul Yonge [EMAIL PROTECTED] The policy of some repeater coordination councils to insist on a 100- mile co-channel separation for UHF (and 120 miles for the lower- frequency bands) regardless of the ERP seems like overkill to me. In fairness, they do allow

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Maire-Radios
three miles? the guy should get it. - Original Message - From: Ray Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power - Original Message - From: Paul Yonge [EMAIL PROTECTED] The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controllers - Best bang for the buck?

2006-02-12 Thread Jay Urish
Timothy V Horvath wrote: I like the CAT Controllers. I have the CAT-1000 on 2 meter, CAT-700B used with Icom 706 as a HF remote link setup on UHF and a CAT-200 with a Peet Bros weather station. I have had repeaters for a few years but not as knowledgeable as most of the Repeater Builders

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Kris Kirby
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Chuck Kelsey wrote: typical mobile installation? Maybe not. Do we DESIRE to run a certain level because we can? Sure, just like we may want to install a 100KW generator on site to run 3KW of load. That's fine if you can afford it, I suppose. My point was is it needed?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Kris Kirby
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Paul Yonge wrote: The policy of some repeater coordination councils to insist on a 100- mile co-channel separation for UHF (and 120 miles for the lower- frequency bands) regardless of the ERP seems like overkill to me. In fairness, they do allow the consideration of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Jay Urish
I don't think that wet stacking is an issue on newer Cummins gensets. The 5.9L ISB is PCM/ECM controlled and the injectors are electronically fired. They run clean no mater what the load or how long. Kris Kirby wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Chuck Kelsey wrote: typical mobile installation?

[Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread wb8art
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Chuck Kelsey wrote: typical mobile installation? Maybe not. Do we DESIRE to run a certain level because we can? Sure, just like we may want to install a 100KW generator on site to run 3KW

[Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Dave VanHorn
Chances are nobody will notice. But then again, they probably wouldn't notice if you put a 3 dB pad between your duplexer and receiver either... I have tried the experiment of going up to the site for a couple hours, and not even opening the door.. Then ask if anyone notices any

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody want to write up an article for repeater-builder.com on the power supply test load? Are you looking for something like a constant current sink? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-12 Thread Brett
Variable 1 amp to 100 amp. 12v to 60volt. Brett - Original Message - From: Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cheap Tunnel Heatsink --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I was planning on using natural gas ;-) Chuck WB2EDV Kris Kirby wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Chuck Kelsey wrote: typical mobile installation? Maybe not. Do we DESIRE to run a certain level because we can? Sure, just like we may want to install a 100KW generator on site to run 3KW of

[Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ray Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . I have an Elmer here ... He's been trying, unsuccessfully, for the past 5 years to get coordination on a 2m repeater because his location is 97 miles from another repeater (in a different state) and the other coordinator

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-12 Thread Kevin King
That has nothing to do with what is under the hood! : but now I have digressed beyond the horizon! Kevin King SCSA BSCIS ARS KC6OVD GMRS KAG0378 EIEIO 2722 Acworth Georgia While we are digressing, I guess all them sleeping truckers are Wet Stacking too. Yahoo! Groups Links

RE: Radio quality (was RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power)

2006-02-12 Thread no6b
At 2/12/2006 08:24, you wrote: Did you try the V7A with AIP on? No, I didn't, but I'll do that later today if I get a chance. The other ham rig in my truck is the other Kenwood dual bander (TM-708? getting old and don't remember model #'s like I used to). I'm not sure but I think that has

[Repeater-Builder] Battery Back-up Question

2006-02-12 Thread Kevin Natalia
G'Day All, I am about to install a set of back-up batteries for our repeater. Designed for back-up use. These are 2volt cells, 460amp/hr over 10hrs. What is written on them So we have 6 cells connected together to give 12volts. We are pulling , when everything is running, no more then 10amps.

[Repeater-Builder] Decibel Products Duplexer

2006-02-12 Thread n4rpd
Greetings, I am in desperate need of technical help. I have been attempting to repair a VHF repeater for a non-profit organization that needs this box for a portable setup to support parades and special events. The setup is two Motorola mobiles tied together with a controller running the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Battery Back-up Question

2006-02-12 Thread Kris Kirby
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Kevin Natalia wrote: These are 2volt cells, 460amp/hr over 10hrs. What is written on them So we have 6 cells connected together to give 12volts. I came up with some contrived math and seems like it ought to work, but I have no idea if my ideas are right. If we take a