Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Paul Plack
John, here's a more subtle lesson on repeaters, and it has nothing to do with hardware... If you dial the power back 1 dB, your PA may be much happier. If you simultaneously change the courtesy beep to be 10% faster, users will ask you what's changed on the repeater. Tell them you've increased

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Interference on VHF repeater

2010-09-04 Thread Paul Plack
Brett, How did you determine it's an IM product? What repeater/controller combination are you using? I'd try powering down the controller and manually keying the transmitter. If that solves it, it could be the controller's reference oscillator or divider outputs leaking onto the PTT line or

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Circular polarization for VHF repeaters?

2010-09-02 Thread Paul Plack
Gordon, something worth trying might be low-band. About 20 years ago, I lived in an area where hams did course communications for rally events in very mountainous terrain. I remember experimenting one night about 2am with my partner at the other end of a heavily wooded course, about 12 miles

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2010-08-31 Thread Paul Plack
Don, this is a natural response, or lack thereof. If you ask, will I have this problem, and nobody else has had it, that doesn't mean they can guarantee YOU won't have it, so they refrain from commenting. I learned a lot from my experience with one outdoor, rooftop repeater I built. I was

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Moisture/condensation (was: Duplexers)

2010-08-31 Thread Paul Plack
Wow...sounds like somehow, moisture was released inside the building. If it's 20ºF outside the building, and 22ºF inside the building, it's hard to imagine how frost could form on the equipment, since the relative humidity indors would have to be lower, unless...there was water forced up

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB212-3

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
Noise blankers also target broadband noise. If some computer is dumping right on your intended receive frequency, you're out of luck. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:10 PM Subject:

[Repeater-Builder] Running a Mastr II Repeater QRP

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
I'm working on a UHF ham repeater project for installation some time next year, and was getting set to build one based on 35-watt Mitreks. I've just been offered a 100-watt Mastr II UHF repeater, complete including the cabinet, just taken out of service in a switch to narrow-band equipment. I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Running a Mastr II Repeater QRP

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
Understood. IIRC, the MII could use a homebrew supply which provides ~13.6 VDC, so long as the voltage always stays high enough to keep the linear regulator on the 10V card in its happy zone, right? - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Running a Mastr II Repeater QRP

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
Kevin, I'll make a note and get back to you if we move forward, thanks! Is the base PA rated for continuous duty? - Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Kevin King To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Running a Mastr II Repeater QRP

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
Nate, I already know I'd love to have a MII, and the bulk won't be an issue getting it home or storing it, but the proposed site is on a rooftop. That part could get interesting. I may need to devise a truss...and something to hoist the repeater, too! (Rimshot.) This unit is very unlikely to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
Chris, There aren't many ways around the laws of physics. If you can't get adequate physical separation, and can't afford a duplexer...perhaps you just can't afford to operate a repeater. Can you gather enough interested users, and get everyone to chip in for a duplexer? If not, maybe your

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fw: DON'T BUY IT AND DON'T USE IT !!!------READ IT

2010-08-26 Thread Paul Plack
And yet, you're the one who hit reply and kept it going... 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Chris Robinson To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fw: DON'T BUY IT AND DON'T USE IT

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola style Rack Clip Nuts

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Plack
I once worked in the aftermarket autosound industry, where springy, one-sided blind nuts were used to mount speakers in places you couldn't see. They were supposed to catch on the lip of the speaker frame to keep from spinning, but it was easy to misalign them when you couldn't see what you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: the non religious Jesus Nuts

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Plack
Ahhh...gotta love Fridays! Yes...there is the Jesus nut on a helicopter, and a Jesus bolt in the rotorhead of a gyroplane, and fixed-wing pilots like to chide us about both. I like to ask them how things will go if the bolt holding the wing strut on a Cessna 172 lets go. Then, I remind them

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Plack
One company supplying power factor correction capacitors promotes their use on inductive loads only, where it might be a legitimate claim: http://www.greenenergycube.com/index.php?support-documentation 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MASTR II LOW BAND TUNING

2010-07-05 Thread Paul Plack
...but it sure gives THEM a warm feeling! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MASTR II LOW BAND TUNING I took a quick look at them, and what stands

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Plack
Don, There are no Shift, Alt or Ctrl keys needed for the capture. With the Map displayed on the screen, simply press [PrintScreen] unshifted. This puts the image on the Windows clipboard. Now... (1) Open MS Paint. (Start, All Programs, Accessories, Paint) (2) [Ctrl]+[V] pastes the image into

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing

2010-06-28 Thread Paul Plack
Every ten minutes, it speaks in code. Hmm...maybe still works! ;^) - Original Message - From: and...@msu.edu To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing Quoting Yahoo ya...@icsradio.com:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Motorola_Software_Users Yahoo group forum

2010-05-30 Thread Paul Plack
I'm not seeing any of these messages, so they apparently aren't coming through the list. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Don Kupferschmidt To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: mrs2000

2010-05-16 Thread Paul Plack
Why, of course, it's what's found on the other side of the combiner from the MR2000. ;^) - Original Message - From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: mrs2000 What's an

[Repeater-Builder] PolyPhaser, or Stub?

2010-05-12 Thread Paul Plack
Guys, I'm considering the relative value of various coax protection schemes for a planned UHF ham repeater. I know PolyPhaser is the industry standard, but I also know they don't last forever, and can cause problems with spurious emissions in some failure modes. A simple shorted quarter-wave

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PolyPhaser, or Stub?

2010-05-12 Thread Paul Plack
Nate, I appreciate the thoughts. I've been blessed to be around some really nice broadcast sites, and one of the telco microwave sites, during my career, and I'm not sure which is worse...having a site attacked by the new engineers who only know card-swapping, having it attacked by bean

Re: [Repeater-Builder] @#@*$%*((!!

2010-05-04 Thread Paul Plack
Oh, the irony...If bandwidth is an issue for you, suggest not sending the same post twice! - 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: dennuszabawa To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:34 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] @#@*$%*((!! OK,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct Strike Lightning Detector

2010-04-27 Thread Paul Plack
Well sure...if you take the shortcut! ;^) I gotta remember not to post after 1am... - Original Message - From: John J. Riddell To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct Strike Lightning Detector

[Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
After a few years on the sidelines, it looks as if I'm going to be jumping back into repeater ownership. I have a few nice pieces left from my last adventure, including a TX/RX duplexer and a loaded S-COM 7K, but I'm pondering choices in RF decks. This will be a local UHF machine designated as

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
Tim, My plan at this point is to convert them to full duplex, so I can use the second Mitrek to prepare a complete, plug-in, standby set of RF decks. The mods look very straightforward, but I was wondering if there were any gremlins people discovered. Your heatsink approach, however, is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
4/26/2010, Paul Plack wrote: Your heatsink approach, however, is exactly what I was talking about. I have several very large heatsinks originally designed for use with big SCR switching circuits which look to be more than generous for a 30w PA at 100% duty cycle. Remember folks

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters? On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Paul Plack wrote: Remember, the 100W Mitrek had a heatsink that was rated for 35W and used the duty cycle to keep things cool. If you do a case swap from

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
and some simple homebrew transistor and/or relay logic tied into your controller. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:49 PM To: Repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
I'd need in my application. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Ken Arck To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters? At 11:47 AM 4/26/2010, Paul Plack wrote: Ken

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 3' motorola or GE cabinet wanted.

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
Larry, are any of your cabinets outdoor types? I'm in Salt Lake City, but have relatives near you who could pick up store, and might be interested. - Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: larryjspamme...@teleport.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks as UHF Repeaters?

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
spurrs and crap when I tried setting the TX power too low. Its happiest at 50-75% of its rated power. Tom W9SRV --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Plack pl...@xmission.com wrote: From: Paul Plack pl...@xmission.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitreks

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct Strike Lightning Detector

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Plack
Jesse, A radio engineer in Atlanta years ago told me a neat trick he said allows confirming a strike, and estimating the current it produced. It involves rexcording an audio tone on a piece of magnetic tape several feet long, sealing it in a weatherproof, non-conductive tube, and positioning

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Antenna height restrictions and PRB-1

2010-04-21 Thread Paul Plack
Don, The ARRL would be a good place to start on this, but it probably will have nothing to do with the FCC. PRB-1 requires reasonable accommodation by locals. It doesn't give hams carte blanche. If the family didn't dot the i's and cross the T's with the locals, which in many cases requires

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Antenna height restrictions and PRB-1

2010-04-21 Thread Paul Plack
Chuck, I actually got just the opposite intent. The mention of his handicap and community contribution through amateur radio paint a clear, sympathetic position. The reporter's job is to present both sides of the story. Accurately reporting the position of an opposing neighbor is required for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: D-Star (Protocol and Repeaters)

2010-04-05 Thread Paul Plack
Old-fashioned? If you take being fashionable out of the argument, analog NBFM has some advantages which may not be appreciated until they're gone, particularly in emergency ops. Interoperability has been covered already, but there are some more subtle advantages to analog. If you have a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fwd: access gate accident

2010-03-31 Thread Paul Plack
Yikes! Pardon me while I go get a tetanus shot! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:57 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Fwd: access gate accident Look at all four pictures to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 449 MHz Wind Profiler Radar?

2010-03-31 Thread Paul Plack
of Pave Paws. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Paul Plack To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 449 MHz Wind Profiler Radar? Did I miss this in an earlier thread, or is this a surprise? Paul

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site

2010-03-30 Thread Paul Plack
I got the First Phone about the same time, and about the same age. I was a budding DJ, and there were AM stations with complex directional arrays which would only hire night DJs with the First, because they'd be working alone in the building and were required to have a First at the control

[Repeater-Builder] 449 MHz Wind Profiler Radar?

2010-03-30 Thread Paul Plack
Did I miss this in an earlier thread, or is this a surprise? Paul, AE4KR Honeywell Wins Contract to Build 449 MHz Wind Profiler PHOENIX, March 29, 2010 -- Honeywell (NYSE: HON) today announced that it has been awarded a $49 million contract

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 10 Meter Questions

2010-03-29 Thread Paul Plack
Mike, As others have noted, receiver selectivity and transmitter cleanliness will determine how far apart the sites need to be. All transmitters in the system must be ID'd. Various schemes are possible, and the FCC is not going to get so specific here so as to stifle technical innovation.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Test

2010-03-17 Thread Paul Plack
They're being intercepted and screened by ebay before posting. - Original Message - From: kc8gpd To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Test seems to be a long delay between posting messages and them

Re: [Repeater-Builder] cor location in an ic-2200h

2010-03-16 Thread Paul Plack
Russ, you may have to spend more on whatever you're using for power than you're saving with those radios, as they pull 1.6 amps combined even on standby receive. Also, develop a plan to keep the transmit radio's heatsink cooled, even in low power mode. But plunging ahead... Your controller can

Re: [Repeater-Builder] cor location in an ic-2200h

2010-03-16 Thread Paul Plack
Russ, what is your plan for duplexing? Those radios won't play well a few feet and 600 kHz apart. - 73, Paul AE4KR - Original Message - From: Russell Trippy To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] cor

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items

2010-03-14 Thread Paul Plack
How do these transmitters play at crowded sites? I've heard some accounts of broadband noise problems for other tenants when high-power Glenayre equipment went in... 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Joe To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 14,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dual receivers on one antenna for RX only site

2010-03-09 Thread Paul Plack
OK, question... If you put a cable which is 1/4-wavelength at VHF between the T and the UHF cavity, it's 3/4-wavelength at UHF. Since any odd multiple of a quarter wavelength will invert the impedance, what will this really accomplish on the UHF cavity side? The dual-band diplexers are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Someone still loves a Motrac - Low Band Even...

2010-03-06 Thread Paul Plack
Large building, yes...but you wouldn't have to pay extra to heat it. ;^) - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Someone still loves a Motrac - Low Band Even... Is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 900 meg Spectra radio

2010-03-01 Thread Paul Plack
Hmmm... What if someone came up with a board which could be retrofitted to a Spectra to give it ham-style programmability via front-panel controlsm, or even a separate control head? It wouldn't be interesting to the big manufacturers, but then, neither was the GLB Channelizer. 73, Paul, AE4KR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low voltage disconnect in Alberta winters and more

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Plack
Tony, What's to back up at a site already supported by both solar and wind? Is there a temp below which the PV panels won't produce or the wind turbine won't turn? Deep snow covering the PV panels? I guess my preference, for a number of reasons, would be to have a way to remotely invoke an

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bend an ICOM a little further

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Plack
, Tuning it until it sounds best is not the way to go. The LO frequency for the MASTR-II VHF will be either + or - 11.2 MHz from the receive frequency depending on the whether high side injection was specified when ordering the crystal. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Paul Plack pl

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bend an ICOM a little further

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Plack
There used to be a great little company in the Toronto area called Lesmith that did a nice job with crystals at prices below ICM's. They morphed a couple times and changed names, but I think they're out of the crystal biz now. Anyone have an update? 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Plack
Don, the copy of the statute you quoted specifically exempts communications transmitted ...for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts. What I want to know is, what if you set up across the state line with a yagi, and put it on the web from there? Your QTH would be just the place

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bend an ICOM a little further

2010-02-17 Thread Paul Plack
Forgive me if I'm going where no one wants to go, but isn't there a point in the decline of a club at which the nuclear option becomes the best choice? Guys, the repeater's been a fun ride for 40 years, but we're down to three members, and no longer have enough in the treasury to keep the old

[Repeater-Builder] Ham Topics

2010-02-13 Thread Paul Plack
Greg, note that while the original topic may have run its course, and has been a bit of a groaner, this list is not intended by the owners to be limited to ham repeater topics. Much of what is here by deals with comercial land moble radio repeaters. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FRS/GMRS repeater urgently needed for Haiti

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Plack
John, I'm not aware of any FRS radios which will operate split-frequency, so not sure how those little handhelds would be able to use a repeater. There are some FRS handhelds which will do higher power on the channels shared with GMRS, perhaps making simplex work better. Our prayers are with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Just a Crazy Thought

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Plack
My coordinator says no pairs are officially available right now, but if I marry his sister, he'll see what he can do... Seriously, CB is more than 400 kHz wide, so splits wider than the 100 kHz used on 10m would be possible. If amplitude modulation is done cleanly, sidebands could be a little

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Space-saving 6m repeater antenna?

2010-02-03 Thread Paul Plack
The length of a commercial base-loaded mobile whip is nearly a full electrical 1/4-wave because the coil is there primarily to provide a convenient way to adjust impedance and run at DC ground, and leaving as much whip length as possible helps performance. If you build your own, and saving

Re: [Repeater-Builder] On the topic of RCA radios

2010-01-31 Thread Paul Plack
Um...when I click the link it opens a page with photos and a caption which says: -- RCA Corportation Model MFA02-AC21B FCC XMTR Data CT2020 FCC RCVR Data CR2003 2 channel crystal radio VHF - currently crystal in the 159.xxx range

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF MSR2000 low split to ham band

2010-01-26 Thread Paul Plack
UPS crooks? I'll say! A few years ago, I ordered the 220 MHz module for my Yaesu 6xx tri-bander. When it got here, I found UPS had stolen two MHz off the bottom of the band! ;^) Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: va...@securenet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Linking

2010-01-20 Thread Paul Plack
Can you not get the cooperation of the operators of the repeaters you want to link? Without that, the technical issues will be the least of your problems. If they approve, the PL solution can actually work quite well. The decision to be part of a linked system belongs to the licensee of each

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Caution to Group Members Trojan from Yahoo Banner Advertisments

2010-01-17 Thread Paul Plack
Has Yahoo been made aware? - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:27 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Caution to Group Members Trojan from Yahoo Banner Advertisments I actually believe I received the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Audio Mixer for multiple repeaters

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Plack
Given the fact that a voter still requires an outboard repeater controller for other needed functions, and is designed to select a receiver based on S/N ratio rather than a preset hierarchy, would it really be a good choice for this application? A new LDG voter lists for $319 and still

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 Meter RF Amplifier (PA)

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Plack
Oh, I dunno...if you're also paying the heat bill, running that 4-400 could be a wash! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 Meter RF Amplifier (PA)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: mouse debate 101

2009-12-24 Thread Paul Plack
...not to mention reducing the odds of having a bear problem! As for the trash cans, anticipating human behavior can be interesting. Years ago, one of the big ham repeater sites in the southeast US actually had a few commercial tenants, which is generally a nice arrangement financially. The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Batteries for Backup- Methods

2009-12-01 Thread Paul Plack
Bingo. My solar powered repeater developed charging issues, and when I went to check, it was due to corrosion on the homebrew charge controller's PC board. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Mark To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009

[Repeater-Builder] Acceptable RB Religious Discussions

2009-11-21 Thread Paul Plack
Guys, please...the only sanctioned religious discussion on this board is Motorola vs GE. 73, Paul, AE4KR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] ACSSB

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Plack
I find nothing in Part 97 which would preclude ACSSB, as it appears to meet the definition of phone, but I do recall some debate at the time on whether the audio frequency inversion scheme/pilot tone was a form of scrambling/encryption, which would have made it illegal on the ham bands. The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-11 Thread Paul Plack
Sounds to me like having a friend in the shop at PGE will come in handy when it's time to build short-hop links or a portable event repeater! - 73, Paul AE4KR - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:02 AM

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Bells and Whistles (from an off group source)

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Plack
I recall the repeaters of the ACC era, how the overused bells and whistles were viewed as advanced, and how so many repeaters coast-to-coast had no individual personalities, only those same canned TI voices and LOUD three-tone courtesy beeps. I also recall how funny it was to hear the male and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weird Interference between APRS and 2-M repeater help needed

2009-11-02 Thread Paul Plack
Can you receive through a circulator without heavy losses? I've never tried it... - Original Message - From: David To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weird Interference between APRS and 2-M repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weird Interference between APRS and 2-M repeater help needed

2009-11-02 Thread Paul Plack
repeater help needed I do it all the time in a test jig to set up mobile vehicle repeaters. Helps protect the non power term ports of a Service Monitor. You'd be surprised how much you can hear through it... s. Paul Plack pl...@... wrote: Can you receive through

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pager Interference to 2-meter VHF Public Service Band

2009-10-28 Thread Paul Plack
Mike, If it moves around based on time of day, my first guess is a PA that's gone bad, and has a parasitic that's temperature-related. If you've tracked an individual spur drifting 70 kHz up the band during a single transmission, this is not some (intentional) oscillator drifting, but some

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pager Interference to 2-meter VHF Public Service Band

2009-10-28 Thread Paul Plack
Mike, the interference is clearly not caused by your own rusty roof, and is both eggregious and easily documented. I know we hate to go there unless it's a last resort, but I'll bet the FCC is almost as tired of non-compliant pager systems as we are. Perhaps that technique would prove

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MICOR Squelch clones

2009-10-23 Thread Paul Plack
You guys have talked past each other slightly... Kevin, if he's not using straight discriminator audio into the controller, but picking off de-emph audio downstream from the Kendecom squelch gate, there will be times he has COS from the Micor module but no audio reaching the controller.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Audio Delay

2009-10-23 Thread Paul Plack
John, I experimented with that once, and in some situations, it's the most elegant way to derive a COS-like logic signal from an audio stream that doesn't carry imbedded switching info. A fast, stable VOX gate listening to the output of a squelched radio receiver can provide a very useful

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Astron Power Supply Alert

2009-10-22 Thread Paul Plack
Tom, I'm also a very satisfied Astron user. People whine, but there's nothing like them at their price point. My comment wasn't about the esthetics or hipness of the Yahoo address, but its functionality. They work OK most of the time, but so much illicit stuff is done through disposable e-mail

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Astron Power Supply Alert

2009-10-21 Thread Paul Plack
LOL! Nothing says we're reputable and here to stay like a company e-mail address at yahoo.com! Nothing against the power supplies, miy 1995-vintage RS35 still works fine, but sheesh! 73, Paul AE4KR - Original Message - From: WA Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: kendecom repeaters on 220

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Plack
On the transmitter page, ACS says, all our products are rated for continuous commercial duty. Then, a little lower, 90% DUTY CYCLE Do they even know? 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:37

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: kendecom repeaters on 220

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Plack
Now Skipp, they're obviously protecting some very impressive technology. Look down the specs...their high-power 2m transmitter does 30 watts out while drawing only 500 mA at 24V. I don't care where you live...250% efficiency, including all stages, is impressive! ;^) 73, Paul, AE4KR -

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a strange question...

2009-10-15 Thread Paul Plack
Randy, it's pretty common these days for a transceiver in a valley to have much higher useful sensitivity than a receiver at a high repeater site, because your noise floor may be much lower, and the front end of the repeater's receiver may require much higher selectivity. It is also possible

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help, please.

2009-10-11 Thread Paul Plack
Eric, right off, I'll challenge the assumption that you need 25 miles separation. You'll have too many users who can her the output but not get in, and vice versa. A mile or two should be plenty. Linking via the internet can be done, but making a ham repeater reliant on two internet

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters

2009-10-07 Thread Paul Plack
Peter, I haven't seen this mentioned, but perhaps you could do a split-site repeater, with a 2m rcvr, basic controller, low-power UHF transmitter and small solar panel ready to hang on a utility pole somewhere, then park the SUV with a UHF link receiver and 2m transmitter a half-mile away but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-21 Thread Paul Plack
If you just can't get access to a VNA and someone who knows how to use it, having a 50-ohm attenuator on hand to put between the duplexer and the handheld or mobile rig can help a great deal. They can be found with BNC connectors on hamfest junk tables, (make sure they're 50 ohms,) or

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New articles

2009-09-21 Thread Paul Plack
Mike, great primers, all. Only squawk I'd have is, in the doesn't fix anything article, where the reader is referred to Historical and Technical Overview, make the title a link to the other article. I've also abandoned underlining text for emphasis in HTML documents, since most new visitors

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HF Remote Bases - Illegal?

2009-09-05 Thread Paul Plack
Assuming manufacturers will limit the capabilities of their equipment to the letter of the Part 97 law has proven unreliable. Manufacturers of imported dual-band mobiles provided capability for aux operation using 2m as the control side years before it was legal, and lots of ACC-controlled 2m

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater trouble

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Plack
I heard a similar problem with an ARES net in Oregon. One of the county EOC's had installed a high rooftop antenna for the hams, and could be worked on simplex for many miles, but into the main ARES 2m repeater it sounded as you described, to the point it was unintelligible. It was fine into

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-24 Thread Paul Plack
Lots of consumer TV receivers use vertical, telescopic whips. - Original Message - From: larynl2 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception The local channel 8 analog station here had

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Squelch action on 10 m FM

2009-08-21 Thread Paul Plack
John, how's this for an experiment... Configure a repeater with two receivers, one built for +/- 5 kHz deviation, the other for +/- 15, feed them from a splitter, use audio from the narrow one, but allow a DTMF command to select the wider receiver's COS when conditions warrant. (Obviously,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-21 Thread Paul Plack
When I lived in Atlanta in the 80's I was a few miles from the local 10m repeater, and quickly noticed that distant stations which were fading on the repeater input had climbing signal strength at my location if I switched to the input. About the time they started getting ratty at my place, I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Squelch action on 10 m FM

2009-08-21 Thread Paul Plack
Perhaps one the remaining contributions we could make as amateurs would be working with DSP to combine all these attributes in a standalone uP module. It would be great to have an adaptive squelch board for retrofit into repeaters which could account for multipath, propagation conditions, noise

Re: [Repeater-Builder] ENHANCED RECEIVE

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Plack
Artie, not sure I can picture the block diagram, but it's common to use a cavity or attenuator between the preamp and the receiver front end to avoid overload. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: k2aau To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: An advocate for a little audio compression

2009-08-16 Thread Paul Plack
-- Received: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:36:11 AM PDT From: Paul Plack pl...@xmission.com In my years in broadcast radio, I often saw program directors and general managers who wanted engineering to alter equipment to accommodate some prima donna morning talent too lazy to exercise proper mic

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: An advocate for a little audio compression

2009-08-15 Thread Paul Plack
It's no more closed than a repeater with CTCSS or even a tight squelch, but what a pain in the butt for users with equipment set properly! You hear the repeater drop, wait for the beep, and then are doubling with someone? That's a solution? This sounds like the work of a passive-aggressive

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 2M Vertical Dipoles

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Plack
If you mount the array on a non-conductive pole, won't you then have to model the effects of interaction with the outside of the coax shields of the feedline harness that would normally be insignificant when attached to the side of a conductive pole? - Original Message - From: AJ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] An advocate for a little audio compression

2009-08-09 Thread Paul Plack
Skipp, I generally agree, but it's not the fault of the user's voice. It's a lack of training in mic technique, sometimes combined with audio circuits that aren't easily user-accessible. Compression on the repeater eliminate's the user's need to get things right at the source, and one day, he's

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS HT recommendation?

2009-08-08 Thread Paul Plack
Walter, Part 15 covers unlicensed operation. As a ham, you're licensed under the terms of Part 97, which has specific rules for emissions types and purity. (97.305 and 97.307 in particular.) If you buy a commercial product not already certified to comply, and were ever accused of, say,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Suicom 2 way radio Transceiver recall - Ouch!

2009-08-06 Thread Paul Plack
I wonder if this is a battery issue, possibly affecting any user, or simply a handheld that was supposed to be rated for use in explosive environments which turns out not to meet spec. In any event, a very funny recall notice! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: ks4ec

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Suicom 2 way radio Transceiver recall - Ouch!

2009-08-06 Thread Paul Plack
But then...how did they make it through quality assurance? Oh, wait... - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Suicom 2 way radio Transceiver recall - Ouch! If

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Portable repeater

2009-08-04 Thread Paul Plack
Allen, I'll echo the comments of those who've said 2m is not the best choice for a portable repeater, due to the required close frequency spacing. A 440 MHz repeater solves a number of problems regarding duplex operation. I built a solar-powered repeater a few years ago, and had to operate it

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need to pay someone to properly install repeater system in our school

2009-07-24 Thread Paul Plack
Perhaps movie theaters could also be built in old Kroger stores? 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Butch Kanvick To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need to pay someone to properly install

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