RE: Match Transform command in 2013 ? Does it work ?
I have noticed that when I try “match all transforms” on an object to something parented to it(a child), it tends to fail quite a bit. It looks like the rotation gets evaluated first and set, before the position. So the final position is not the original position where the child was, but where it became after the object’s rotation is changed to match the child’s. Also in the past, if an object has any animation keys, match all transforms would fail to match rotation. This seems to have been addressed in Softimage 2013, though. //create some nested nulls and set some transforms oParent = GetPrim(Null,parent); oChild = GetPrim(Null,child,oParent); oChild.posx.value = 2; oChild.roty.value = 30; //what i expect match all transform should perform /* oParent.Kinematics.Global.Transform = oChild.Kinematics.Global.Transform; */ //what MatchTransform(oParent,oChild, siSRT) seems to be doing /* Rotate(oParent,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(rotx).value,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(roty).value,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(rotz).value); Translate(oParent,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(posx).value,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(posy).value,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(posz).value); Scale(oParent,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(sclx).value,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(scly).value,oChild.Kinematics.Global.Parameters(sclz).value); */
Re: Match Transform command in 2013 ? Does it work ?
hi Jack, Do you have a quick repro steps in 2013? I have noticed that when I try “match all transforms” on an object to something parented to it(a child), it tends to fail quite a bit. It looks like the rotation gets evaluated first and set, before the position. So the final position is not the original position where the child was, but where it became after the object’s rotation is changed to match the child’s. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: Rumors
Like! Mário Domingos | 3D Artist/Generalist | www.mariodomingos.com T: +351 91 646 80 16 | Carnaxide - Portugal On 19/12/2012, at 14:19, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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Can you elaborate this? I'm afraid that it might make unnecessary panic. When do you think this move is going to happen? How reliable your source is in that question? (I mean he must be very close to Autodesk) I personally trust in the developers (not in Autodesk), but if that is true... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Marinov Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:18 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Rumors I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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Would you care to elaborate, when you say this is coming from the latest events? Because to the best of my knowledge we haven't announced anything publicly and this isn't something that we would really mention at an event. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Marinov Sent: 19 December 2012 14:30 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors This is rumor and I don't know if it's true.This is something that I've heard recently and really touch my emotions.. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Szabolcs Matefy szabol...@crytek.commailto:szabol...@crytek.com wrote: Can you elaborate this? I'm afraid that it might make unnecessary panic. When do you think this move is going to happen? How reliable your source is in that question? (I mean he must be very close to Autodesk) I personally trust in the developers (not in Autodesk), but if that is true... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Marinov Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:18 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Rumors I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... attachment: winmail.dat
Re: Rumors
If you are so happy with your other software, why even bother coming here? You like Softimage, don't you. Here we all do, for a reason, and will continue so until the end - which always comes (yet not in 2 days). The developers are doing a good job, even with their limited resources, and they are the guys that make the real difference. I don't care for Autodesk and their bloated apparatus, but I do care for that fine piece of software that happens to be under their label at the time being. ICE is going to Maya... even if so, that does not mean it will be ripped from Sofimage. If SI ever goes down, it will do so with ICE. For now, it is still being developed. Naiad is going to Maya... even if so, that does not mean it will never appear in Softimage. Relax and enjoy your new workflow. Am 2012-12-19 15:18, schrieb Tim Marinov: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: publicly
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LOL Rob Wuijster E r...@casema.nl \/-\/\/ On 19-12-2012 15:49, Nic Groot Bluemink wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... -- Technical Pretty Picture Making Person Kettle No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5969 - Release Date: 12/18/12
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Haven't we been hearing this for like 4 years? If it happens it happens. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I always thought the reason ice works so well was its in-depth integration, surely if they want to achieve such results in maya they will have to dissect it to its core, maybe this would be a good opportunity to address many legacy issues within maya, and might make it a lot more bearable to work with... On 19 December 2012 14:44, Eugen Sares softim...@keyvis.at wrote: If you are so happy with your other software, why even bother coming here? You like Softimage, don't you. Here we all do, for a reason, and will continue so until the end - which always comes (yet not in 2 days). The developers are doing a good job, even with their limited resources, and they are the guys that make the real difference. I don't care for Autodesk and their bloated apparatus, but I do care for that fine piece of software that happens to be under their label at the time being. ICE is going to Maya... even if so, that does not mean it will be ripped from Sofimage. If SI ever goes down, it will do so with ICE. For now, it is still being developed. Naiad is going to Maya... even if so, that does not mean it will never appear in Softimage. Relax and enjoy your new workflow. Am 2012-12-19 15:18, schrieb Tim Marinov: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,**Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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The world will end in a couple of days, so who cares... On 19 December 2012 15:19, Ciaran Moloney moloney.cia...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't we been hearing this for like 4 years? If it happens it happens. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I always thought the reason ice works so well was its in-depth integration, surely if they want to achieve such results in maya they will have to dissect it to its core, maybe this would be a good opportunity to address many legacy issues within maya, and might make it a lot more bearable to work with... On 19 December 2012 14:44, Eugen Sares softim...@keyvis.at wrote: If you are so happy with your other software, why even bother coming here? You like Softimage, don't you. Here we all do, for a reason, and will continue so until the end - which always comes (yet not in 2 days). The developers are doing a good job, even with their limited resources, and they are the guys that make the real difference. I don't care for Autodesk and their bloated apparatus, but I do care for that fine piece of software that happens to be under their label at the time being. ICE is going to Maya... even if so, that does not mean it will be ripped from Sofimage. If SI ever goes down, it will do so with ICE. For now, it is still being developed. Naiad is going to Maya... even if so, that does not mean it will never appear in Softimage. Relax and enjoy your new workflow. Am 2012-12-19 15:18, schrieb Tim Marinov: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,**Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.com wrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,**Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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If you think Softimage will die when Maya gets an equivalent to ICE, you should have begun switching to another software some time ago. It was inevitable. On 19/12/2012 11:52, Tim Marinov wrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around.
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And if Maya gets something like ICE no point for autodesk to keep SI if doesn't make enough money from it. But who cares as someone said the world will end in a couple of days :) On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.comwrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,**Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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It would be a shame if Softimage disappears. It's not just ICE what makes XSI an amazing product, but its whole workflow. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: And if Maya gets something like ICE no point for autodesk to keep SI if doesn't make enough money from it. But who cares as someone said the world will end in a couple of days :) On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.comwrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.comwrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,**Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... -- Martin Contel http://seminoize.com
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my tuppence worth I don't think maya will ever get ice as we, softimage users, know it. They'll get some nasty half arsed cludge that lacks the simplicity of softimage that will make using it a pain rather than the pleasure we enjoy. There will always be a tool for people like us and if autodesk stop making it, someone else might step into the picture. who knows. we could all be doing something else for a living in a few years A From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Marinov Sent: 19 December 2012 17:03 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors And if Maya gets something like ICE no point for autodesk to keep SI if doesn't make enough money from it. But who cares as someone said the world will end in a couple of days :) On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.com wrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: publicly
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Good thoughts. The irritating thing to me is that the Maya/Max world doesn't understand the workflow strengths of Softimage. If those tools elsewhere turn out to be better, that's great. But lately it just feels like momentum is the driving force, not quality of software. Dave G On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Mathieu Leclaire wrote: I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com mailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: publicly
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and if Maya does adopt ICE, well, then we users who are familiar with ICE stand to gain, as it would make learning maya a little less painful. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com wrote: Good thoughts. The irritating thing to me is that the Maya/Max world doesn't understand the workflow strengths of Softimage. If those tools elsewhere turn out to be better, that's great. But lately it just feels like momentum is the driving force, not quality of software. Dave G On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Mathieu Leclaire wrote: I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: publicly
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Plus the ICE TDs will become more hireable . . . :) Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-20, at 12:18 AM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: and if Maya does adopt ICE, well, then we users who are familiar with ICE stand to gain, as it would make learning maya a little less painful. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com wrote: Good thoughts. The irritating thing to me is that the Maya/Max world doesn't understand the workflow strengths of Softimage. If those tools elsewhere turn out to be better, that's great. But lately it just feels like momentum is the driving force, not quality of software. Dave G On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Mathieu Leclaire wrote: I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: publicly
Re: Rumors
Softimage is better than its ever been and yet every year we still have to go through the death rumors... tradition I guess. Ultimately the software is owned by AD and they have the option to nurture it or destroy it as they please. If AD robs the best bits and innovation from Softimage, then I'm perfectly fine with it. Like others are saying, it would make a switch that much easier. Daniel VFXM On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.comwrote: Plus the ICE TDs will become more hireable . . . :) Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-20, at 12:18 AM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: and if Maya does adopt ICE, well, then we users who are familiar with ICE stand to gain, as it would make learning maya a little less painful. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com wrote: Good thoughts. The irritating thing to me is that the Maya/Max world doesn't understand the workflow strengths of Softimage. If those tools elsewhere turn out to be better, that's great. But lately it just feels like momentum is the driving force, not quality of software. Dave G On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Mathieu Leclaire wrote: I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: publicly
Re: Rumors
Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. There are schools that teach maya/3dmax because it's common use. There are companies that don't use softimage because they work with other companies as well and therefor it isn't always easy to use a different product. Maya is a horrible markt leader and it's hard to beat the king. Maybe it's the cycle of life, a lot beatifull creatures die on this world because of the humans, let's just hope softimage survives. 2012/12/19 Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com and if Maya does adopt ICE, well, then we users who are familiar with ICE stand to gain, as it would make learning maya a little less painful. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com wrote: Good thoughts. The irritating thing to me is that the Maya/Max world doesn't understand the workflow strengths of Softimage. If those tools elsewhere turn out to be better, that's great. But lately it just feels like momentum is the driving force, not quality of software. Dave G On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Mathieu Leclaire wrote: I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: publicly
Re: Rumors
Its like an oil company suppressing the pursuit of alternative fuels, by artificially balancing out any innovation AD has succeeded in keeping the industry stagnant for the past decade On 19 December 2012 19:05, Doeke Wartena clankil...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. There are schools that teach maya/3dmax because it's common use. There are companies that don't use softimage because they work with other companies as well and therefor it isn't always easy to use a different product. Maya is a horrible markt leader and it's hard to beat the king. Maybe it's the cycle of life, a lot beatifull creatures die on this world because of the humans, let's just hope softimage survives. 2012/12/19 Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com and if Maya does adopt ICE, well, then we users who are familiar with ICE stand to gain, as it would make learning maya a little less painful. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com wrote: Good thoughts. The irritating thing to me is that the Maya/Max world doesn't understand the workflow strengths of Softimage. If those tools elsewhere turn out to be better, that's great. But lately it just feels like momentum is the driving force, not quality of software. Dave G On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Mathieu Leclaire wrote: I'm sorry... but how exactly does it hurt the user? If what you are hearing happens to be true... doesn't that just mean good news for Maya? I don't see any bad news for Softimage here. Softimage ain't loosing anything. It's Maya whose gaining. Even if Softimage ends up loosing some user base because they are moving to Maya or something else and Softimage stops evolving due to lack of users... Well, that's the cycle of life. In the end, ain't that the beauty of our industry? Things are evolving rapidly. There are always new softwares, new technologies to learn and adopt. Old non evolving technologies slowly die to make way to new better technologies. I love Softimage like all of you and I would be sad if it stopped evolving. But I'm a big boy. I'll adopt a new one if it helps our work get better. Sure, there would be an adaptation period if that happens, but in the end, softwares are just tools. Our jobs aren't in jeopardy. Only your comfort zone is. And that is only true IF your wort case scenario actually happens (i.e. new ICE like interface in Maya forces Softimage users to switch software and in doing so kills Softimage's future). I think this process is completely natural and healthy. If Softimage is to die, it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye. It's going to be a slow natural transition towards that state. I hope not. I too hope it will keep evolving and keep it's place in the industry... but if it doesn't, then I'll be happy to face a new challenge and learn a new software. -Mathieu Tim Marinov wrote: If it was publicly it won't be rumor and everyone will know.As I said this is something I 've heard recently and I really hope isn't true.I like Softimage XSI and what is happening with it lately, and these rumors really hurts long XSI users. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: publicly
Re: Rumors
exactly, why are you surprised? they hired the talent (whats left of it that is!) that made ICE and the talent that made Naiad. if that wasn't good enough indication about what was going to happen then i dont know what is! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.com wrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,**Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
RE: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation
Don't iterate. Instead: Get Point ID -- Select in Array -- Set Particle Position gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nuno Conceicao Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 02:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation What is the best way to do this? I've been away from ICE for too long and now I'm trying to iterate point positions in a simulated point cloud to set the positions from a custom array...this probably is quite simple, but im not figuring out what im missing here. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: Rumors
Please, leave Softimage's future to someone who can actually do something about it, we don't have the proper context to know what is happening and what is coming. We've been through this, not again!
RE: Rumors
Wish The Foundry had bought Softimage... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of César Sáez Sent: 19 décembre 2012 14:56 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors Please, leave Softimage's future to someone who can actually do something about it, we don't have the proper context to know what is happening and what is coming. We've been through this, not again!
Re: Rumors
lets not go there... autodesk isn't the only company raising prices and gobbling up tech/talent/software. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com wrote: Wish The Foundry had bought Softimage… ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *César Sáez *Sent:* 19 décembre 2012 14:56 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Rumors ** ** Please, leave Softimage's future to someone who can actually do something about it, we don't have the proper context to know what is happening and what is coming. We've been through this, not again!
Re: Rumors
Hehehe, I hope The Foundry buys SideFX and gives us Modini! ;) I'd contact the Solid Angle guys and beg them to write MOtoA! Cheers Steffen 2012/12/19 Marc-Andre Carbonneau marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com Wish The Foundry had bought Softimage… ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *César Sáez *Sent:* 19 décembre 2012 14:56 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Rumors ** ** Please, leave Softimage's future to someone who can actually do something about it, we don't have the proper context to know what is happening and what is coming. We've been through this, not again!
Re: Photo-Sharing?
People love to freak out over legalese they only partially understand; makes for a nice sensationalist headline, like when Dropbox changed its terms a bit and everyone's like omg! they claim ownership over my files to derive variations as they please?!. Anyway, back to Instagram: http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/12/18/167559536/the-day-instagram-almost-lost-its-innocence http://blog.instagram.com/post/38252135408/thank-you-and-were-listening On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Now, take a deep breath, go and read the old license, read the new one, and realize it just got MORE stringet for Instagram. In the midst of all the sensationalist hype by less reputable sites like CNet and other cheap shot, hit gathering ones, The Verge actually took the time to write a semi-decent one: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/3780158/instagrams-new-terms-of-service-what-they-really-mean Several more legalese and copyright focused websites concur. What is even funnier in all this, is that people are jumping ship to another app or two, or back to flickr, without realising that the apparently more restrictive, but in reality just vague, terms of those ACTAULLY do screw you up. In example: With the change of license Instagram has basically waived the right to derivative work coming from your pictures, the alternatives people want to jump ship to haven't. This is exactly the same crap of the name of the brother of the shooter going viral a few days ago, or when people were pasting the inanely stupid posts on facebooks about not giving permission. Ignorant people jump to conclusions, they write an article about it, and because it's on the internet it must be true. I detest facebook as much as anybody else with half a neuron has, especially for being circumstantially forced by peers to use it for certain parts of my social life to function, but in this case it's just people jumping the gun. As you were.
Re: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation
Thanks Grahame, it works...now I remember, ICE does an iteration for all the points of the cloud every frame, am I correct? On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Grahame Fuller grahame.ful...@autodesk.com wrote: Don't iterate. Instead: Get Point ID -- Select in Array -- Set Particle Position gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nuno Conceicao Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 02:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation What is the best way to do this? I've been away from ICE for too long and now I'm trying to iterate point positions in a simulated point cloud to set the positions from a custom array...this probably is quite simple, but im not figuring out what im missing here.
RE: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation
It divides them into buckets and multi-threads them. Same thing in the end, but you get there faster. gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nuno Conceicao Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 03:26 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation Thanks Grahame, it works...now I remember, ICE does an iteration for all the points of the cloud every frame, am I correct? On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Grahame Fuller grahame.ful...@autodesk.commailto:grahame.ful...@autodesk.com wrote: Don't iterate. Instead: Get Point ID -- Select in Array -- Set Particle Position gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nuno Conceicao Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 02:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Assigning particle positions to a custom array of vectors in a Simulation What is the best way to do this? I've been away from ICE for too long and now I'm trying to iterate point positions in a simulated point cloud to set the positions from a custom array...this probably is quite simple, but im not figuring out what im missing here. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Rumors
I agree. 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.' From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge Sent: 19 December 2012 20:44 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.commailto:javierelas...@gmail.com wrote: Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. Best wishes for all Softimage Users! Javier Vega www.zao3d.comhttp://www.zao3d.com Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: 616 64 73 57 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.commailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. Merry Christmas, softies and devs! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Rumors
+1 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Bystrom Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:58 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors that would be a good idea yes On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.commailto:ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.commailto:javierelas...@gmail.com wrote: Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. Best wishes for all Softimage Users! Javier Vega www.zao3d.comhttp://www.zao3d.com Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: 616 64 73 57 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.commailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. Merry Christmas, softies and devs! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... -- Andreas Byström Weta Digital
Re: Rumors
I'd boot all people mentioning the two M-products from Ad on this list! ;) 2012/12/19 Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com that would be a good idea yes On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote: Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.com wrote: Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. Best wishes for all Softimage Users! *Javier Vega* www.zao3d.com Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: *616 64 73 57* 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. Merry Christmas, softies and devs! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.comwrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... -- Andreas Byström Weta Digital
Re: Rumors
Can we boot people I think you are taking this way to seriously, who would make that decision anyway.. you? On 19 December 2012 20:58, Williams, Wayne wayne.willi...@xaviant.comwrote: +1 ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Andreas Bystrom *Sent:* Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:58 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Rumors ** ** that would be a good idea yes On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. ** ** Best wishes for all Softimage Users! *Javier Vega* www.zao3d.com ** ** Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: *616 64 73 57* 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p ** ** ** ** Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. ** ** Merry Christmas, softies and devs! ** ** ** ** On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... ** ** ** ** ** ** -- Andreas Byström Weta Digital
Re: Anyone using Shotgun Python API with Softimage 2013 Linux?
Still less hacky-ish than what I was talking above q:
Great solution, thanks for sharing (:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Aloys Baillet aloys.bail...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
We have worked around this by taking the libssl and libcrypto from a
CentOS 5.3 machine and put it in the Application/bin folder...
Quite hacky but does the job.
Cheers,
Aloys
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Xavier Lapointe
xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote:
The issue is that hashlib in python 2.5 that ships with Soft on Linux
is using the compiled library (import *_*md5).
^^ I meant it's *trying* to use the compiled library.
If you look at how hashlib is geared (Application/bin/lib/python2.5),
it's actually trying to use openssl when initiating a secured connexion
with Shotgun and then:
except ImportError:
# We don't have the _hashlib OpenSSL module?
# use the built in legacy interfaces via a wrapper function
new = __py_new
# lookup the C function to use directly for the named constructors
md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')
OpenSSL is not part if the python2.5 build in Softimage, then it's trying
to use the compiled md5 module, fail to retrieve it and raise.
--
Xavier
--
Aloys Baillet
Lead Software Developer
Research Development - Animal Logic
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--
Xavier
Re: Rumors
A Rumor will have been around the whole world before the Truth has its shoes on. If only the Truth stopped being such a precious F'in princess and started running barefoot... ICE was evolutionary, fresh, new, well thought, much needed, and an inspiration to many when it came out. It is, however, not revolutionary, unique, and one of its core implementation choices is widely available. It is not only natural, but sensible, that other softwares over time will get or converge towards something similar. The struggle to unify things and the abuse of VOPs over all other OPs in Houdini, propietary systems from here to Dreamworks going through half the other 500+ vfx/animation companies, new products... it all points towards what makes ICE what is is becoming the new golden standard. Hats off to Soft's old team for seeing that and making it happen... What, 5 or 6 years ago? Do learn to deal with the fact that it WILL be available in other softwares though, and it won't be strictly ICE (which AFAIK has already been deemed unportable if tried as a transplant), it's just the equivalent of what ICE did so well, so early.
Re: Rumors
ya, lets not overreact... in this case it isn't a rumor, we know autodesk bought both softimage and naiad... we know they re-tasked our developers... we know maya fears the houdini fx dominance... so of course they are going to make new fx tools in maya. and besides, node graphs and multi-threading aren't unique to ICE and they have been around for quite some time, so lets let this thing go. s On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.comwrote: Slow down everyone. Tim has worked for me before and he's a solid Soft dude. Nothing but respect for him. I know he loves Soft just as much as we all do and honestly... his post was probably posted purely out of his frustration of how AD is handling Soft. I say... cut the dude some slack and understand that he's probably just bummed. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote: What bothers me is that this list is becoming less and less of a professional environment and just a place to start stirring up fear and tossing around speculation and rumors. I usually leave that for the folks in the forums usually. Also to add, Tim Marinov, like others have said, you've already switched to those other apps. It seems like you're just coming back to stir things up and hope others follow you into the path you've taken. Not sure if it's because you're lonely over there or what but if you don't use Softimage any longer why even come to post on this list? Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: I agree. 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.' -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** *Freelance for hire* ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
Re: Rumors
+1 On 19 December 2012 17:12, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote: ya, lets not overreact... in this case it isn't a rumor, we know autodesk bought both softimage and naiad... we know they re-tasked our developers... we know maya fears the houdini fx dominance... so of course they are going to make new fx tools in maya. and besides, node graphs and multi-threading aren't unique to ICE and they have been around for quite some time, so lets let this thing go. s On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: Slow down everyone. Tim has worked for me before and he's a solid Soft dude. Nothing but respect for him. I know he loves Soft just as much as we all do and honestly... his post was probably posted purely out of his frustration of how AD is handling Soft. I say... cut the dude some slack and understand that he's probably just bummed. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote: What bothers me is that this list is becoming less and less of a professional environment and just a place to start stirring up fear and tossing around speculation and rumors. I usually leave that for the folks in the forums usually. Also to add, Tim Marinov, like others have said, you've already switched to those other apps. It seems like you're just coming back to stir things up and hope others follow you into the path you've taken. Not sure if it's because you're lonely over there or what but if you don't use Softimage any longer why even come to post on this list? Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: I agree. 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.' -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** *Freelance for hire* ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
Re: Rumors
Tim and others should feel free to post here, and as one of the admin of this list I will make sure he continues to have the rights to, as per Autodesk social media policy, and plain common sense. I fought for this mailing list to stay up; it exists for users to talk to each other. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: I agree. 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.' From: Eric Thivierge Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying.
Re: Rumors
Am I the only one on this list that ever risked a ban by you back then? ;) But yeah, I can't say I liked the post much, or found it particularly useful, but it's hardly inflamatory and doesn't feel malicious. I'll take the occasional post like that over the police state feeling of an overly moderated list. Historically it's taken care of itself more than well enough. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: Tim and others should feel free to post here, and as one of the admin of this list I will make sure he continues to have the rights to, as per Autodesk social media policy, and plain common sense. I fought for this mailing list to stay up; it exists for users to talk to each other.
Re: Rumors
Come on, it's almost fun in the end :) And, in 40 years when THEY will stop Softimage, people will say : - Ah, I told you so ! Le 19/12/2012 21:43, Eric Thivierge a écrit : Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.com mailto:javierelas...@gmail.com wrote: Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. Best wishes for all Softimage Users! *Javier Vega* www.zao3d.com http://www.zao3d.com Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: /616 64 73 57/ 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. Merry Christmas, softies and devs! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com mailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
Re: Rumors
Hi Tim, ICE will not move to Maya but Maya may integrate a system similar to ICE. This move should actually benefit all Softimage users... Think about it, wouldn't all Softimage ICE users benefit this new system first with our prior knowledge of ICE compared to the newbies... As for whether Softimage will be removed from Autodesk, I think you shouldn't worry too much... Because the first person to fear should be me ;) but I am still in the team... I think as long as there is a strong user base in SI, Softimage will continue to be there... So regarding the rumour, don't fall into it... Because if everyone believes in it and starts moving to other DCC, then Softimage may then be in serious trouble... Chris On 20 Dec, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: And if Maya gets something like ICE no point for autodesk to keep SI if doesn't make enough money from it. But who cares as someone said the world will end in a couple of days :) On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.commailto:flordli...@gmail.com wrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress... attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Rumors
The value is understanding how things work under the hood so you know how to construct the graphs efficiently to accomplish goals. Having a graph interface is just that, an interface. In that regard, ICE knowledge will probably be not very useful as Softimage's internal guts are very different from Maya's. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Chia Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors Hi Tim, ICE will not move to Maya but Maya may integrate a system similar to ICE. This move should actually benefit all Softimage users... Think about it, wouldn't all Softimage ICE users benefit this new system first with our prior knowledge of ICE compared to the newbies... As for whether Softimage will be removed from Autodesk, I think you shouldn't worry too much... Because the first person to fear should be me ;) but I am still in the team... I think as long as there is a strong user base in SI, Softimage will continue to be there... So regarding the rumour, don't fall into it... Because if everyone believes in it and starts moving to other DCC, then Softimage may then be in serious trouble... Chris On 20 Dec, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: And if Maya gets something like ICE no point for autodesk to keep SI if doesn't make enough money from it. But who cares as someone said the world will end in a couple of days :) On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.commailto:flordli...@gmail.com wrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
RE: Match Transform command in 2013 ? Does it work ?
Hi Chris, Here are the quick repro steps demonstrating what I was saying... Turn off child compensate. Create two nulls, parent one(child) to the other(parent). Set the global transforms of the child null to something like posy = 1, rotx = 3. Run match all transforms on the parent null to the child null. Observe the parent null's position jump to decimals, instead of (0,1,0) which is what I would expect after matching transforms. //jscript oValue = GetUserPref(SI3D_NODETRANSFORM_CHILD_COMPENSATE); SetUserPref(SI3D_NODETRANSFORM_CHILD_COMPENSATE, 0); oParent = GetPrim(Null,parent); //create a parent null oChild = GetPrim(Null,child,oParent); //create a child null parented to the parent null oChild.Kinematics.Global. posy.value = 1; //set some transforms on the child null where the parent null will match transforms to. oChild.Kinematics.Global. rotx.value = 3; //set some transforms on the child null where the parent null will match transforms to. MatchTransform(oParent, oChild, siSRT, null); //perform match all transform on the parent null to the child null logmessage(oParent.Kinematics.Global.posy.value); //the child null had a global position y of 1, which logically should be where the parent null is moved to, but that is not the case. SetUserPref(SI3D_NODETRANSFORM_CHILD_COMPENSATE, oValue); // expected result // INFO : 0.9986295...
RE: Rumors
I should add - the fear is once the Maya equivalent of ICE goes live, many current Maya users now using ICE will likely revert back to Maya's built in system because it's a lot more convenient than shipping stuff back n' forth between Maya and Softimage and learning two different softwares. This will cause the Softimage user base headcount to drop a bit. Whether the drop is critical mass or not remains to be determined. If it is, then people do have a legitimate worry of Softimage eventually disappearing sooner than desired. A few years off either way, but a legitimate concern for some. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Rumors The value is understanding how things work under the hood so you know how to construct the graphs efficiently to accomplish goals. Having a graph interface is just that, an interface. In that regard, ICE knowledge will probably be not very useful as Softimage's internal guts are very different from Maya's. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Chia Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors Hi Tim, ICE will not move to Maya but Maya may integrate a system similar to ICE. This move should actually benefit all Softimage users... Think about it, wouldn't all Softimage ICE users benefit this new system first with our prior knowledge of ICE compared to the newbies... As for whether Softimage will be removed from Autodesk, I think you shouldn't worry too much... Because the first person to fear should be me ;) but I am still in the team... I think as long as there is a strong user base in SI, Softimage will continue to be there... So regarding the rumour, don't fall into it... Because if everyone believes in it and starts moving to other DCC, then Softimage may then be in serious trouble... Chris On 20 Dec, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: And if Maya gets something like ICE no point for autodesk to keep SI if doesn't make enough money from it. But who cares as someone said the world will end in a couple of days :) On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: If this really happens they are not going to remove the ICE from Softimage but Softimage will fade out slowly from Autodesk.ICE is the only reason Softimage is still around. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Francois Lord flordli...@gmail.commailto:flordli...@gmail.com wrote: Are you surprised to hear that the best tool in Softimage is being ported to Maya? Really? Luc-Eric said publicly that they were working on something for Maya. But it wasn't ICE. It was different and it addressed different needs. But we all now it will be some kind of procedural operator building thingy. I personnaly don't care. As long as they don't remove ICE in Softimage. -- Francois On 19/12/2012 09:18, Tim Marinov wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
Re: Rumors
I'd guess 90% of ICE users don't know what goes on under the hood. They do OK. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.comwrote: The value is understanding how things work under the hood so you know how to construct the graphs efficiently to accomplish goals. Having a graph interface is just that, an interface. In that regard, ICE knowledge will probably be not very useful as Softimage’s internal guts are very different from Maya’s. ** ** ** ** Matt **
RE: Rumors
The point isn't whether people would be functional, it's about whether the knowledge is portable. To be portable requires some degree of semblance. A ui alone won't do that. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ciaran Moloney Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors I'd guess 90% of ICE users don't know what goes on under the hood. They do OK. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.commailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: The value is understanding how things work under the hood so you know how to construct the graphs efficiently to accomplish goals. Having a graph interface is just that, an interface. In that regard, ICE knowledge will probably be not very useful as Softimage's internal guts are very different from Maya's. Matt
Re: Rumors
pretty much depends on if there is to be a Softimage keyboard layout and ICE terminology toggle in Maya FX :) oh and hide all garish 80's style icons would be great to! best Rob On 20 December 2012 01:10, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: The point isn’t whether people would be functional, it’s about whether the knowledge is portable. To be portable requires some degree of semblance. A ui alone won’t do that. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ciaran Moloney Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors I'd guess 90% of ICE users don't know what goes on under the hood. They do OK. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: The value is understanding how things work under the hood so you know how to construct the graphs efficiently to accomplish goals. Having a graph interface is just that, an interface. In that regard, ICE knowledge will probably be not very useful as Softimage’s internal guts are very different from Maya’s. Matt
Re: Rumors
There's always been rumor and silliness on this list. Personally I like hearing the rumors - if its traveling around word-of-mouth I'd just as soon hear it here too, where it can be refuted (or not.) Sure some people get worked up (me? Never!) and bandwidth is used, but the more free-flowing this board is, the better. Tech help is useful, but humans are silly creatures and the humanity of this list is one of the reasons it's such a valuable resource. If we all stop posting for fear of being chastised or being wrong (me? never!) we'll have lost the freewheeling chaotic energy which makes the Internet so useful. Bring on the rumors. Me, I heard sideFX and the foundry are going to make a crossover product called Modini... ;) On Dec 19, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: What bothers me is that this list is becoming less and less of a professional environment and just a place to start stirring up fear and tossing around speculation and rumors. I usually leave that for the folks in the forums usually.
RE: Rumors
Modini… LOL From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Moorer Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:14 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors There's always been rumor and silliness on this list. Personally I like hearing the rumors - if its traveling around word-of-mouth I'd just as soon hear it here too, where it can be refuted (or not.) Sure some people get worked up (me? Never!) and bandwidth is used, but the more free-flowing this board is, the better. Tech help is useful, but humans are silly creatures and the humanity of this list is one of the reasons it's such a valuable resource. If we all stop posting for fear of being chastised or being wrong (me? never!) we'll have lost the freewheeling chaotic energy which makes the Internet so useful. Bring on the rumors. Me, I heard sideFX and the foundry are going to make a crossover product called Modini... ;) On Dec 19, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.commailto:ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: What bothers me is that this list is becoming less and less of a professional environment and just a place to start stirring up fear and tossing around speculation and rumors. I usually leave that for the folks in the forums usually. attachment: winmail.dat
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Sorry for the reduced quote, but how many of those do you actually know or hear about? I can count exactly zero. I have yet to hear about ANYBODY using Soft just for ICE and going back and forth, unless they already had licenses and reason to have it around. Those who would use Soft solely for ICE, coming from Maya, are already, or will in the future when coming to that scenario, use Houdni instead. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.comwrote: I should add – the fear is once the Maya equivalent of ICE goes live, many current Maya users now using ICE will likely revert back to Maya’s built
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As you may remember I owned and operated a Softimage training center in Chicago. I still get calls from former clients and colleagues who work in post-production creating special effects for commercials and corporate video. They are primarily Maya users but need to do stuff that Maya isn't always well suited to handle. Since Softimage is part of their Maya purchase, they install it and use ICE for particle and other FX stuff, but that's about it. For all the rest of their work they stick with Maya because it's familiar to them. If Maya were to get an ICE equivalent, they probably wouldn't use Softimage anymore. Old habits are hard to break and many people don't like learning any more than necessary to get the job done. I'm not making up BS if that's the angle you're taking. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:12 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors Sorry for the reduced quote, but how many of those do you actually know or hear about? I can count exactly zero. I have yet to hear about ANYBODY using Soft just for ICE and going back and forth, unless they already had licenses and reason to have it around. Those who would use Soft solely for ICE, coming from Maya, are already, or will in the future when coming to that scenario, use Houdni instead. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.commailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: I should add - the fear is once the Maya equivalent of ICE goes live, many current Maya users now using ICE will likely revert back to Maya's built
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Nah, wasn't even remotely implying you would be making BS up. It was an actual question, possibly poorly worded if it came across otherwise though. Thanks for answering it, it must be a sector of the market, users or geography wise, I simply don't know or interact with at all, as I had never heard of a case like the one you seem to bump into frequently enough. I'd still be willing to put money on it not being that common though, not so much that it'd directly help or damage Soft if it went one way or another. Hype and counterhype and the damage to Soft's reputation for ICE's power and unicity becoming non-unique would be more of a worry IMO, and hype/momentum have already been proven to be a huge, if not main, component of adoption drive. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: As you may remember I owned and operated a Softimage training center in Chicago. I still get calls from former clients and colleagues who work in post-production creating special effects for commercials and corporate video. They are primarily Maya users but need to do stuff that Maya isn’t always well suited to handle. Since Softimage is part of their Maya purchase, they install it and use ICE for particle and other FX stuff, but that’s about it. For all the rest of their work they stick with Maya because it’s familiar to them. If Maya were to get an ICE equivalent, they probably wouldn’t use Softimage anymore. Old habits are hard to break and many people don’t like learning any more than necessary to get the job done. ** ** I’m not making up BS if that’s the angle you’re taking. ** ** Matt ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele Fragapane *Sent:* Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:12 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Rumors ** ** Sorry for the reduced quote, but how many of those do you actually know or hear about? I can count exactly zero. I have yet to hear about ANYBODY using Soft just for ICE and going back and forth, unless they already had licenses and reason to have it around. Those who would use Soft solely for ICE, coming from Maya, are already, or will in the future when coming to that scenario, use Houdni instead. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: I should add – the fear is once the Maya equivalent of ICE goes live, many current Maya users now using ICE will likely revert back to Maya’s built** ** -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Match Transform command in 2013 ? Does it work ?
But I feel bad when I tell my riggers not to use a native command of Softimage as simple as the MatchTransform. Hey Jeremie, As a temporary workaround you may edit the 'uixsiscrips.vbs' located in Softimage \Application\DSScripts. The MatchPoseProc( in_sel, io_pick, in_Type, in_Local ) procedure is what you are looking for. By adapting it to your needs you can make the native command behave correctly, as well as all your tools calling this native command. Hope this helps. Cheers, Guy. -- guy rabiller | raa.tel | radfac founder/ceo | raafal.org founder tel: (+33)977 195 006 | mob: (+33)675 183 146 | fax: (+33)972 288 293 Le 18/12/2012 00:26, Jeremie Passerin a écrit : Yeah I agree... That's something I have in my tool set too. Knowing that the simple object oriented way is working just perfectly with Child Comp, Animation... That's a shame :( But I feel bad when I tell my riggers not to use a native command of Softimage as simple as the MatchTransform. Also I have to deal with very old tools that are not really object oriented...and now I have to update them because this command doesn't work the way it was. Anyway... thanks for your answers. On 17 December 2012 15:14, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: And it won't use a silly temp constraints methodology like the factory one does (was that ever addressed?), which means it will work as expected with constraint compensation on if the object is constrained, and won't suffer from direction constraints taking precedence over pose ones. The match commands are probably the very first thing anybody doing any rigging/set dressing should replace from the factory ones, they are mostly useless outside the absolute simplest scenarios. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM, César Sáez cesa...@gmail.com mailto:cesa...@gmail.com wrote: There's an old bug when the rotation parameters have fcurves. The OM way always works: objA.Kinematics.Global.Trasnform = objB.Kinematics.Global.Transform Cheers! On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jeremie Passerin gerem@gmail.com mailto:gerem@gmail.com wrote: Yeah that sounds like the bug we have too ! Good I'm not crazy. If someone has repro steps, I'll be happy to report it once more to the Softimage Beta. On 17 December 2012 14:29, Sam Cuttriss tea...@gmail.com mailto:tea...@gmail.com wrote: ah good good, ive been getting this a bunch lately in 2012. matches positions but often neglects rotation. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Come on, it's almost fun in the end :) And, in 40 years when THEY will stop Softimage, people will say : - Ah, I told you so ! Le 19/12/2012 21:43, Eric Thivierge a écrit : Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.com mailto:javierelas...@gmail.com wrote: Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. Best wishes for all Softimage Users! *Javier Vega* www.zao3d.com http://www.zao3d.com Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: /616 64 73 57/ 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. Merry Christmas, softies and devs! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.com mailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
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OK my take on this - whatever AD is doing is pretty pointless worrying about or complaining about, it only winds you up - so all I want to add is this - I have found that it is very difficult to find work as a Softimage veteran now, pretty much 99% of listings are for Maya users, and unlike the older days when they would cross-train, they are looking for veteran Maya users, obviously to try and weed out the hordes of Maya wannabees - one of the drawbacks of Maya being so popular and accessible. Anyway - even if they are not going to do any of the 'rumoured' actions, AD's marketing direction is possibly drying up the opportunities for us older experienced softies. This in itself is the biggest worry for me, even if Softimage carries on as it is now, to get work opportunities, it has come to the stage where one has to consider jumping into something else! my feeble 0.02c S. Sandy Sutherlandmailto:sandy.sutherl...@triggerfish.co.za | Technical Supervisor [http://triggerfish.co.za/en/wp-content/uploads/udf_foundry/images/logo.png] http://triggerfish.co.za/en [http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/ym/x/lFV-lsMcC_0.png] http://www.facebook.com/triggerfishanimation [https://si0.twimg.com/a/1349296073/images/resources/twitter-bird-white-on-blue.png] http://www.twitter.com/triggerfishza From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of olivier jeannel [olivier.jean...@noos.fr] Sent: 20 December 2012 08:52 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Rumors Come on, it's almost fun in the end :) And, in 40 years when THEY will stop Softimage, people will say : - Ah, I told you so ! Le 19/12/2012 21:43, Eric Thivierge a écrit : Can we boot people from the list for starting or spreading rumors? Please? Especially with no solid backup of what they are saying. On Dec 20, 2012 7:27 AM, Javier Vega javierelas...@gmail.commailto:javierelas...@gmail.com wrote: Well... what happened here today?. Lot of panic!. I love Softimage and i dont think that will dissapear soon. But if they discontinue Softimage, well... is not a drama. I love Softimage, but I love more CGI. I will adapt to other softwares or I will continue with the last Softimage version. I think that in that point Softimage is a great application. Best wishes for all Softimage Users! Javier Vega www.zao3d.comhttp://www.zao3d.com Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com móvil: 616 64 73 57 08922-Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona) 2012/12/19 Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.commailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com But the apocalypse isn't until Friday! :p Negativity never helped anyone. Let's go easy on the rumours. Merry Christmas, softies and devs! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Tim Marinov tim.mari...@gmail.commailto:tim.mari...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that ICE and Naid are going to Maya..This rumor is coming from one of the latest events .I am not going to specify, all I can say is from reliable source. I hope is not true for the ICE but I can't keep rely only on hopes. No more Autodesk for us that for sure ..We (my company) recently started to realize that our industry is just fine without Autodesk and every day work is much more fun and productive.Houdini,Modo,Cinema4D,Nuke are some of the tools that are much better from what autodesk has to offer(buying and adding plugins,almost none development, introducing more and more bugs with each version, innovation and development are not their driving force but only moneymaking ). Let's guys support this companies that care and love what they do as a product, this companies that are growing not only of making money but also of making innovations . We have to stop to be controlled from evil corporations and don't forget that we little people can make the difference and stay against the money sucking monsters.We are not zombies.This is the only way to see progress...
