Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-15 Thread Greg Punchatz
Please, just let me have a little bit of peril! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Albatross! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: NI! NI! NI! NINININ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Simon

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Andreas Böinghoff
Interesting thread - I never really thought about the technical aspects of that. On 2/13/2013 12:37 PM, Leonard Koch wrote: Apologies, there are a couple of number typos in the first one. Here is the corrected version: Velocity is the speed and direction at which an object moves. Force is

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Matt Lind
] On Behalf Of Alok Gandhi Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:15 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? If you have a problem with that, take it up with the physicists and mathematicians. Sorry Matt but I think you're wrong, and you can

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Grahame Fuller
, 2013 01:42 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ? Like I said multiple times already. Take it up with the physicists and mathematicians. The example given is from a physics text book. You got a problem, take it up with the author. Sheesh

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Bradley Gabe
In the past 2 years, I attended college courses in Physics 101 and 201 at UT Dallas, as well as a Princeton Review course for the MCAT's which include heavy study in basic physics, especially about the definitions of fundamental units and concepts. As it turns out, Matt is correct in that the

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Andy Moorer
This is one of the most intelligently absurd threads I've ever followed. :)

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Grahame Fuller
Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? It's fascinating the way a car crash between two vehicles driven by physicists arguing with each other as they are flung out of their seats and through their windscreens would be. Can't take my eyes away, horror and awe together

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Alan Fregtman
If a parrot's velocity is [0,0,0], is it *dead*? :p On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Andy Moorer andymoo...@gmail.com wrote: This is one of the most intelligently absurd threads I've ever followed. :)

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
Is it in a forest? And is anybody watching? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: If a parrot's velocity is [0,0,0], is it *dead*? :p On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Andy Moorer andymoo...@gmail.com wrote: This is one of the most intelligently

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Ahmidou Lyazidi
Schrödinger parrots ? Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos 2013/2/15 Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com: Is the parrot sitting on a leopard? Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Ed Manning
laden or un-laden? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Ahmidou Lyazidi ahmidou@gmail.comwrote: Schrödinger parrots ? Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos 2013/2/15 Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com: Is the parrot sitting on a leopard?

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Andy Moorer
African or European? Hey, Alan started the Monty python references, that made the question mandatory. On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: laden or un-laden? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Ahmidou Lyazidi ahmidou@gmail.com wrote: Schrödinger parrots ?

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Simon Anderson
Bring me a shrubbery On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Andy Moorer andymoo...@gmail.com wrote: African or European? Hey, Alan started the Monty python references, that made the question mandatory. On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: laden or un-laden? On

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Ed Manning
NI! NI! NI! NINININ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Simon Anderson simonbenandersonl...@gmail.com wrote: Bring me a shrubbery On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Andy Moorer andymoo...@gmail.comwrote: African or European? Hey, Alan started the Monty python references, that made the

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Bradley Gabe
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: NI! NI! NI! NINININ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Simon Anderson simonbenandersonl...@gmail.com wrote: Bring me a shrubbery

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Eric Lampi
Albatross! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: NI! NI! NI! NINININ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Simon Anderson simonbenandersonl...@gmail.com wrote: Bring me a shrubbery On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Andy Moorer

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Steven Caron
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7055969792/h07769A83/ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Albatross! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: NI! NI! NI! NINININ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Simon Anderson

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Matt Lind
, but he was probably the best physics professor I had of many. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Gabe Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:21 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-14 Thread Sandy Sutherland
Ah - this is where you can tell the difference between a force and a velocity - as if you took your parrot with a volocity of [0,0,0] and gave it a force of your foot in it's butt [Len100] then not only would you find out if the velocity of [0,0,0] meant it was dead, but you

Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread olivier jeannel
Hi list, Asking this question with no shame ^^; This might be basic, but what is the difference between a force and a velocity ? Sorry for being half brained...

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread César Sáez
They are completely different concepts, in short: Force = mass * acceleration Acceleration = Velocity / time Velocity = distance-traveled / time

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread César Sáez
Actually speed = distance-traveled/time, velocity is more like position / time (it's a vector). On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM, César Sáez cesa...@gmail.com wrote: They are completely different concepts, in short: Force = mass * acceleration Acceleration = Velocity / time Velocity =

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Daniel Harjanto
^^; This might be basic, but what is the difference between a force and a velocity ? Sorry for being half brained... -- Daniel Harjanto Infinite Frameworks Studios TD http://misterdi.cgpot.com

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread olivier jeannel
Thank's César ! Now it's clear :) Le 13/02/2013 11:13, César Sáez a écrit : They are completely different concepts, in short: Force = mass * acceleration Acceleration = Velocity / time Velocity = distance-traveled / time

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
It's actually incorrect more so than clear. Distance traveled divided by time is not velocity. It's speed, a scalar value. Velocity has to do with the rate of change and is represented by a vector providing direction, and it's magnitude representing speed. So while speed is the simple speed an

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
Reading that after sending it (when else would one proof read?) I realize it might come across as a bit aggressive with the opening comment. My apologies to César if that's the case, it sure wasn't intended to be or to discourage someone else away from contributing to the already rare physics

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Leonard Koch
Velocity is the speed and direction at which an object moves. Force is something with a strength and a direction that causes acceleration on the object and has an effect on its velocity. Think about it like this: You have some object, that is flying through space with a VELOCITY. Maybe it is

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Leonard Koch
Apologies, there are a couple of number typos in the first one. Here is the corrected version: Velocity is the speed and direction at which an object moves. Force is something with a strength and a direction that causes acceleration on the object and has an effect on its velocity. Think about

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Matt Lind
Of olivier jeannel Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:50 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Difference between a force and a velocity ? Hi list, Asking this question with no shame ^^; This might be basic, but what is the difference between a force and a velocity ? Sorry for being half

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Steven Caron
[mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of olivier jeannel Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:50 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Difference between a force and a velocity ? Hi list, Asking this question with no shame ^^; This might be basic, but what

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Matt Lind
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:58 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? is that distinctions helpful here? i mean we aren't just going to render the last frame of our particle going

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Alok
Even then, we are not computing the displacement between the first and the last frame only (which, of course, will lead to the wrongful observation that no displacement has taken place yielding zero velocity). In this case the displacement at the last frame will

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Oleg Bliznuk
I think we get zero velocity only if we integrate it over elapsed time ( and it is not an instant vel which is used most of time I guess ), otherwise speed = scalar magnitude (length) of velocity, and the velocity = diff between the last and the prelast positions

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Steven Caron
** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:58 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Difference between a force and a velocity

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Matt Lind
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? i know velocity is a delta and i have used it many a time as part of an equation which is variable

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
I'm a big fan of sticking to definitions, but they normally need to be presented in sets to the uninitiated, or they become confusing. IE: if you decide to put forward an example sampled across 6.6 seconds resulting in the case of no velocity despite much distance covered, the concept of discrete

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Steven Caron
i have no problem with the definitions and i just thought you might actually be causing more confusion with your example. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: If you have a problem with the definitions, talk to mathematicians and physicists. ** **

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Matt Lind
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? i have no problem with the definitions and i just thought you might actually be causing more confusion with your example. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Matt Lind

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Alok
Let me make somethings very clear here for the sake of discussion: Here we have to define whether or not we are talking of instantaneous velocity or simply velocity. As Raff touched the topic of Calculus (and also in almost all cases of studying the

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Matt Lind
: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ed Manning Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:05 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? C'mon, Matt -- You're sounding a little like Chris

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread olivier jeannel
:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:47 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? i know velocity is a delta and i have used it many a time as part of an equation which is variable. while your distinction

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
[image: Inline image 1] On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM, olivier jeannel olivier.jean...@noos.fr wrote: ... It was clearer before ... :DDD physics.jpg

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Steven Caron
please add... http://cgmemes.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
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Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Andy Jones
The example of running around on a track is wrong unless you're on a stationary planet. Way to confuse Olivier, guys :( Here's my stab: Definitions aside, velocity describes how something is moving at an instant in time. Force, however, is more closely related to how an object will accelerate

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
But is the ball propelled by an internal combustion engine, or is it victim of the gravitational pull? Because if it's the former I feel it's remiss of you to forget that cold air is more compressible (or rather more easily pulled in larger quantities) than hot air, and therefore results in a

RE: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Matt Lind
@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ? The example of running around on a track is wrong unless you're on a stationary planet. Way to confuse Olivier, guys :( Here's my stab: Definitions aside, velocity describes how something is moving at an instant in time

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Alan Fregtman
Since this whole convo is about velocity, I feel the 1st What If is more relevant: http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/ Teaser: baseball, 90% speed of light and doom. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.comwrote: http://what-if.xkcd.com/28/ Teaser: Physics, Steaks,

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Alan Fregtman
Added. ;) On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote: please add... http://cgmemes.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: Difference between a force and a velocity ?

2013-02-13 Thread Adam Sale
wow... On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Added. ;) On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote: please add... http://cgmemes.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Raffaele Fragapane